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Before we get into Cables for 1.3 and 1080p let me bring up some issues about cables in general.
Spend more on Cables?Now this is a sensitive area, isn't it? The purpose of this article is NOT to justify or reject the concept of spending a dollar more for "claimed" cable quality while other people rather want to save that dollar any time the term cable is mentioned. People take all kinds of corners on this matter, and many confrontations still happen with or without blind tests, with or without factual data. Many take the matter with common-sense, and say: if I am connecting a $39 DVD player it would not be wise to spend $200 on the claimed higher quality of "that premium" HDMI cable, but would probably consider investing on a better cable if the equipment I am connecting is an HDTV system that cost thousands of hard earned dollars. Why? To avoid running the risk of compromising the overall system quality, and for many, without even "noticing" a difference. Cables are one more piece of the system, and in order to strike a balance on the overall system quality, all pieces should be carefully selected.
As with many other products, there are better-constructed cables with better materials and better plugs, but this industry that offers a cable for $20 while other company sells a similar application cable for $300, has certainly created a lot of uncertainty among consumers, and when quality in a cable performance is not easy to detect those consumers become skeptical. Consumers need to know which is a good return for their investment when buying a cable relative to their system. Paying more for claimed cable quality might become a waste of money passing certain point. How could you determine that point on your system? Would your system have sufficient quality to easily help you determine which cable is better? Hi-end systems could show cable quality differences better. Low-end systems might never have the capability to show what a better cable can do; so why pay more for those cables if you cannot see the difference? However, even when many systems out there are actually capable to show differences without being hi-end, most people are unable to determine audio or video differences in comparisons unless they are coached on what to look for, that makes the cable issue more difficult to understand for regular consumers. Some people buy several cables, test, and choose one (or none). Some people rather trust their research and analysis, and hear and view how good is their cable choice mainly justified by their imagination. Some people rather trust only companies from which they have bought before, and assume they could not go wrong with those. Many people buy the cheapest cable they could find in the Internet and their eyes glow when they saved $5 on free shipment and no tax, then they use that cable to connect their $5000 HDTV, and convince themselves that is perfect, you see?" No difference! Every one else is wrong! Some people use the cable that came with the equipment, which generally is provided for convenience but historically could be easily improved. So, you might say "thanks for letting me know about all the circus, but now just tell me what to buy, and I hope I would not have to pay more than the zip cord on my desk lamp; my cousin has done all his hi-end cables with Home Depot zip cord and he sees no difference, he is now thinking about doing an HDMI cable that way." Frankly. Your call. Your pocket. Your HD system. This is just a simple brainstorming of points of view to motivate fair thinking without taking positions and impose those positions to everyone else that did not follow that path. Regardless what your preferences are, consumers should respect each other's cable choices; that is what is missing on most exchanges dealing with cables, there is a lack of respect for each other's decisions, specially respect for those that can actually hear or see differences in quality and chose a quality cable due to that. Now, let us see what HDMI says about cables.
The HDMI Cable
And they added, "Intra-pair means that what really matters is the relative length of the two wires ("D+" and "D-") in each data pair. Reliability is not impacted by one pair being substantially longer than another pair but it is severely impacted if the two wires within a pair are substantially different." Interestingly, they have seen an almost inverse relationship between cable performance (primarily impacted by intra-pair skew) and cable thickness, which unfortunately could be very roughly generalized as "the more you pay (and I add "for thickness to impress, not necessarily for the higher cost of quality") the lower the performance". The suspicion is that it has something to do with the difference in manufacturing technique for thicker-gage wires, for which it might become harder to get consistent tensioning. The lesson quoted from HDMI Licensing to the cable makers is: "you have always designed for analog, but HDMI uses digital, differential signals, in Gbps. Manufacturers can't keep using the same technique that they have used in the past." Another case was from a person that had paid over $200 for a premium quality HDMI wire from a famous name of cable manufacturing (you know the name) and was having problems with the 1080p inputs of a Brillian 1080p RPTV; after much troubleshooting Brillian suggested another cable, it worked. The HDMI cable was not capable for 1080p transport, even at the high price, more on cable categories below.
Do we really need another cable for 1.3?The HDMI specification from its inception of revision 1.0 allows cables to be designed to support up to 165MHz speeds. With HDMI 1.3's higher speeds, cables will need to undergo new testing in order to be verified for >165MHz. However, "the expectation" (as expressed by HDMI) is that any cables that pass today's HDMI test at 165MHz will pass the new test at 340MHz. This is because HDMI sinks (such as HDTVs) are required to use an equalizer technology for signal speeds above 165MHz, and this equalizer technology compensates for the signal losses when the interface is clocked all the way up to 340MHz without any modifications.
If a cable maker wants to be able to rate his cable as supporting >165MHz speeds, that cable must be re-submitted to be verified for the higher speed. However, if the cable has passed the HDMI test for 165MHz, it should pass the new HDMI 1.3 test all the way up to 340MHz. Mini-connector HDMI cable picture on the right. There are very few HDMI cable makers shipping cables that have been tested at 1080p (and thus can not claim such support). The entire HDMI cable installed base is only tested & rated to support 75MHz or 720p/1080i resolutions, and receive a term now called "Category 1" for the cable. We should be seeing a new generation of HDMI cables that will come out and be labeled with a new category of being high speed capable. All cables that want to claim the ability to support deep color or 1080p must be tested to pass as a "Category 2" cable. Consumers who plan to run a 1080p signal to their TVs using devices such as a PS3 or Blu-ray player should make sure they obtain a Category 2 rated HDMI cable to ensure proper compatibility. Note that all cables tested by Simplay HD are Category 2 rated, and cables which bear the Simplay HD logo are available today. What happens with the equipment connected with those capable cables? According to HDMI Licensing, all the equipment that desire to take advantage of these latest features available in HDMI 1.3 would need to be revised with newer HDMI 1.3 electronics and then tested for compliance with the applicable HDMI Compliance Test Specification. On one of my last conversations about the subject of cables, HDMI Licensing, responding to some of the complaints about HDMI connectors disconnecting themselves from the back panel of equipment, informally indicated that they were working in the development of a locking mechanism so the HDMI plug would stay in place, however, there was no confirmation if the effort would actually be implemented and when. Now, I am ready, my fire retardant suit is on. Stay tuned for Part 9 "Industry Adoption of HDMI". Reader Commentarymstockfisch • Aug 29, 10:38am Last year, PC WORLD did some objective cable testing with a little help from Pixelworks, Quantum Data, Tektronix, the Imaging Science Foundation, Silicon Image, Rohde & Schwarz, Pioneer Electronics, Epson, Denon, and Audioholics. The results can be found at: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,121777-page,1/article.html... Rodolfo • Aug 29, 1:35pm mstockfisch, Thanks for the link. There are dozens of reports/reviews/comparisons about cables that contradict each other with apparent facts and blind tests, most with an especific agenda. However, the PC World article did not mention the HDMI issues I discussed on my article, such as different lenghts of D-D+ within the pairs, thickness findings on HDMI, 1080p capabilities, category levels, etc. Probably because HDMI Licensing did not detect those last year and Simplay Labs did not even exist. The first comment on the article is already stating that there are differences in cables that could affect the sound or image: "While conventional wisdom says a wire is a wire, a poorly constructed cable can seriously degrade video quality. Used with a digital connection, a bad cable can mangle pixel data, resulting in a speckled image; with an analog link, it can distort the signal, resulting in faded colors or blurred details." Their final comment was also interesting: "... mstockfisch • Aug 29, 3:22pm Rodolfo, I work for Quantum Data and design HDMI test equipment for a living. I personally supplied the test equipment used for the "Digital Perfection" HDMI testing. Our equipment was used to test five cables at 1080p 60Hz (i.e. 148.5MHz). The equipment was setup to output random 24-bit pixel values at the transmitter and to compare received values with those transmitted - bit-for-bit at the receiver. All errors were counted - including temporal ones that you would never see with your eyeball. The test was conducted over the full voltage swing range of the HDMI standard (0.15 to 1.56 volts). All of the cables passed this noise test (over a period of several minutes) without a single error - so long as the voltage swing stayed above 0.32 volts. As it is very unlikely that any real product would output a signal below 0.32 volts at these lengths, all the cables essentially preformed flawlessly - regardless of price. The "Cable Confidential (chart)" shows that the five ca... Rodolfo • Nov 6, 9:50pm
Mark, Sorry for the delay on maintaining this exchange but I have been quite busy lately. Thank you for the insight on the testing results you performed for your company. It is always good to share actual experiences from professionals dedicated to the subject because the public gets the full benefit with actual and factual information, so people can invest the money properly, whether they need is short run for 1080i, or a long run for 1080p. I discussed your comments with Silicon Image and their feedback mostly coincides, as follows: Response from Joe Lee, Director of Marketing at Silicon Image. I would agree that for most common HD content (720p/1080i video resolution), the vast majority of cables 4m or less should function and yield a perfect image, especially when using well designed source & sink devices. We find that although the cable does contribute to the robustness of the HDMI digital signal, the quality of the electronics i... More from Rodolfo La Maestra
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About Rodolfo La MaestraRodolfo La Maestra is the Senior Technical Director at HDTV Magazine and participated in the HDTV vision since the late 1980's. In the late 1990's, he began tracking all HDTV consumer equipment, and since 2002 he authors the annual HDTV Technology Review report covering HDTVs, Hi-def DVD, content providers, broadcast, cable, satellite, government, standards, connectivity, content protection, H/DTV tuners and DVRs, etc. In addition Rodolfo has authored a variety of tutorials, books, and educative articles for HDTV Magazine, DVDetc, and HDTVetc Magazines, Veritas et Visus Newsletter, Display Search, and served as technical consultant/editor for the "Reference Guide" and the "HDTV Glossary of Terms" for HDTVetc and HDTV Magazines. In 2004, he began recording a weekly HDTV technology program for MD Cable television, which by 2006 reached the rating of second most viewed by the public, here is the opening episode.Rodolfo's background encompasses Electronic Engineering, Computer Science, and Audio and Video Electronics, over 4,700 hours of professional training, a BS in Computer and Information Systems, and over thirty professional and post-graduate certifications, some from American, George Washington, and MIT Universities. Rodolfo was also Computer Science professor for over 700 students in five institutions between 1966-1973 in Argentina, for IBM, Burroughs, and Honeywell mainframes. After 38 years of computer systems career, Rodolfo retired in 2003 as Chief of Systems Development from the Inter-American Development Bank where he directed 65 software-development computer professionals, supporting member countries in north/central/south America 24x7. In parallel, from 1998 he helped the public with his other career of audio/video electronics. Rodolfo started with hi-end audio in the early 60’s and merged with Home Theater video, multichannel audio, widescreen laser disc, anamorphic DVD, 16x9 NTSC displays, HDTV, Hi-def DVD, IPTV, HDMI, and 2.35:1 Cinemascope HD Home Theater over the past 40+ years. When HDTV started airing in November 1998, he was an early adopter of HDTV and realized that the technology as implemented would overwhelm regular consumers due to its complexity, and it certainly does even today. Rodolfo then launched his HDTV mission of educating and helping consumers understand the complexity, the challenge, and the beauty of the technology, so the public learns to appreciate HDTV not just as another television. |
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