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By Rodolfo La Maestra Senior Technical Director Posted on August 1, 2007 Category: HD DVD & Blu-ray |
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Register Now to receive notification of new HDTV Magazine Articles via email as soon as they are published. In April 2007, as part of my analysis about Hi-Def DVD and Multi-channel audio in my annual HDTV Technology Review, I discussed the subject with Craig Eggers and Roger Dressler, Dolby executives. Some of the items discussed were: soundtrack streaming pass-through feature over HDMI in near future players, streamed Dolby Digital Plus not supported by HDMI versions 1.1 and 1.2 (while DTS HD is), audio-mix encoders for legacy connectivity, Dolby Digital at 640 kbps, etc. This article summarizes those conversations as follows:
Streaming Pass-through on HD DVD Players
All this started upon my invitation to visit Dolby Labs in NY for their HDMI 1.3 tour in December 2006. One of the slides of the presentation by Dolby made reference to an "audiophile feature" that would allow the Hi-Def DVD player's soundtrack stream read from the disc to bypass all the internal mixing of the player and be outputted undisturbed using the HDMI output of the player.
The stream would certainly have to be decoded externally by an A/V receiver or Pre/pro enabled with the decoders for the soundtrack format of the stream.

One immediate value I saw with this feature was the potential for improved sound quality because the soundtrack would not be submitted to any mixing or audio processing for advanced interactivity features one might not want to have, if the audio would be better without them.
Another value I saw was that a player having this pass-through feature, but not having all the multi-channel advance decoders, could offer a consumer the flexibility to compensate for the lack of decoders by doing the decoding in a newer A/V receiver (if suited with those decoders), without having to replace the player, specially considering that some Blu-ray players cost above $1000.
Even when the new Toshiba player has an HDMI 1.3 output it does not pass-through any native (undecoded) soundtrack streams from the disc over HDMI in Advanced Content mode, regardless of the audio coding format. This is because the interactive advanced content mix is considered a key element of the HD DVD format, which would not be able to be enjoyed to its fullest if the pass-through streaming function is implemented.
In the HD DVD format, the Advanced Content flag in the disc impedes the pass-through function and the player mixing cannot be avoided. It is not a manufacturer's or a consumer's choice.
According to Dolby, in the future, the DVD forum may consider the subject of allowing the pass-through function in HD DVD players, but no action has been taken at this time.
However, there may be opposition from the content makers for such pass-through feature. They may not want to compromise the interactive advance content feature of the format because they invested a lot of time defining that format the way they wanted it.
The software companies, who are also members of the DVD Forum, asked for this capability not to be optional in the HD DVD format, so that they can insure that consumers would not turn it off, and always obtain the full interactive experience of the format.

If the DVD Forum approves the pass-though feature, its implementation would most probably be done only in future players, and it is not known at this time if a revision to current HD DVD players could be made with a firmware upgrade. A similar implementation scenario could be applicable to Blu-ray as well, more on that below.
According to Dolby, this subject was better to be discussed with the HD DVD Promotion Group. I exchanged emails with them, but since no comments were made I assumed that the statements from Dolby about HD DVD and the DVD Forum were correct.
Streaming Pass-through on Blu-ray Players
Dolby stated that technically it is possible to pass-through advanced audio streams thru HDMI 1.3, provided the right protocols are implemented at both ends of the connection.
Dolby commented that it believed that the HDMI 1.3 suited Sony Play Station 3 most likely did not implement the stream-out pass-through feature for its next generation high definition codecs because the needed HDMI 1.3 protocols were still in development at product introduction.
The first HDMI 1.3 enabled Blu-ray players do not have at the present the stream-out functionality implemented. However, later players are expected to support the feature.
As with HD DVD players, Blu-ray players can only have the full interactive experience if they decode the advanced multi-channel audio soundtrack and mix it with the added audio interactive features within the player.
Another key reason for all the Hi-Def DVD players to do the decoding within the player is to assure playback compatibility with current and legacy AV receivers in the marketplace.
When HD DVD and BD players were first introduced, the HDMI protocols to deliver high-resolution audio bit-streams were not completed, nor did very many A/V receivers include an HDMI input. It is only with the advent of HDMI 1.3 that both next generation audio codecs from Dolby could be transported over HDMI.
Unlike HD DVD, the Blu-ray format left it up to the player manufacturer (and to the consumer) whether or not to use the interactivity feature and permit the streaming of the undecoded soundtrack using a pass-through feature.
In summary, if the pass-through feature is eventually used for the advanced audio streaming of only the soundtrack, it will not carry the audio add-on mixes, regardless of the audio format of the soundtrack.
Encoder for Legacy Audio Mix
An optional encoder in the player would allow the addition of the audio mixing over the soundtrack to output the legacy Dolby Digital 5.1 using the SPDIF or HDMI outputs streaming at 640Kbps.
However, the manufacturer of the player has the right to build the player without such legacy encoder. If a consumer is interested in the feature of audio mix over legacy audio connections it is recommended for the consumer to verify that such feature has been actually implemented in the player.
Streamed Dolby Digital Plus Not Carried Over HDMI 1.1/1.2 (While DTS HD is)
HDMI 1.3 is required to transport streamed Dolby Digital Plus. DTS-HD could be streamed thru HDMI 1.3 as well, but it could be streamed also thru earlier versions 1.1 and 1.2. The reason for the DTS-HD capability of the HDMI 1.1 and 1.2 specifications is because they were revised to carry up to 6 Mbps and to handle the protocols of DTS-HD, but not to support Dolby Digital Plus.
However, even when an A/V receiver might have HDMI 1.1 or 1.2 connections, it would not be able to decode DTS-HD unless it is a new model that is also suited with a new DTS-HD decoder. Otherwise, it will only decode legacy DTS.
Although Dolby Digital Plus has a lower bit rate requirement that the 6Mbps (3Mbps for HD DVD and 4.7 Mbps for current Blu-ray), the format was not included in the revision of the specification per Dolby's choice. To avoid confusing the market, the company preferred to maintain both Dolby advanced audio formats (Dolby Digital Plus and TrueHD) together and only within the same 1.3 specification.
According to Dolby, while it may have been possible to transport Dolby Digital Plus bit-streams over traditional optical or coaxial digital audio outputs, the company made a conscious decision not to license Dolby Digital Plus equipped A/V receivers until the HDMI 1.3 spec was fully implemented.
Dolby's position was that it made more sense ---and the enthusiast would be better served--- to introduce new technologies as a "package", as opposed to releasing Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD technologies incrementally into the marketplace in different generations of A/V receivers.

The 4.7 Mbps for Dolby Digital Plus for Blu-ray is the maximum data rate needed should the Blu-ray group authorize more than 7.1 channels, in the future. The current maximum data rate for 7.1 channel Dolby Digital Plus in Blu-ray is 1.7 Mbps.
However, Dolby recommends that consumers avoid only using data rate as a measurement of quality. A significant contributor to quality in lossy codecs such as Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus is the efficiency of the technology as well as the density of data.
According to Dolby, not implementing Dolby Digital Plus streaming over commonly used HDMI 1.1/1.2 connections, as DTS does with DTS HD, is actually not an issue, because the existing HD DVD movies carry the Advanced Content flag that would not permit the player to avoid the audio mix over the soundtrack anyway.
On the Blu-ray side, even when the discs do not use such flag, in order to use Dolby Digital Plus, according to Dolby, the soundtrack must have 6.1 or 7.1 discrete signals, and because the few hundred movies available on Blu-ray do not have encoded more than 5.1 channels, there is no multi-channel signal capable to reach the threshold into the Dolby Digital Plus territory.
Dolby Digital Improved at 640kbps
As you might have been aware already, a higher bit-rate of 640 kbps for Dolby Digital 5.1 is obtained by a Hi-Def player from the disc, and is outputted using the legacy optical/digital audio connections (and HDMI).
Every Dolby Digital A/V receiver manufactured is capable of decoding the 640kbps Dolby Digital bit-stream, and there is an audible increase in audio quality with 640kbps Dolby Digital, compared to lower bit rate implemented in Standard Definition DVD discs.
Posted by Rodolfo La Maestra, August 1, 2007 05:44 AM
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About Rodolfo La MaestraRodolfo La Maestra is the Senior Technical Director at HDTV Magazine and participated in the HDTV vision since the late 1980's. In the late 1990's, he began tracking all HDTV consumer equipment, and since 2002 he authors the annual HDTV Technology Review report covering HDTVs, Hi-def DVD, content providers, broadcast, cable, satellite, government, standards, connectivity, content protection, H/DTV tuners and DVRs, etc. In addition Rodolfo has authored a variety of tutorials, books, and educative articles for HDTV Magazine, DVDetc, and HDTVetc Magazines, Veritas et Visus Newsletter, Display Search, and served as technical consultant/editor for the "Reference Guide" and the "HDTV Glossary of Terms" for HDTVetc and HDTV Magazines. In 2004, he began recording a weekly HDTV technology program for MD Cable television, which by 2006 reached the rating of second most viewed by the public, here is the opening episode.Rodolfo's background encompasses Electronic Engineering, Computer Science, and Audio and Video Electronics, over 4,700 hours of professional training, a BS in Computer and Information Systems, and over thirty professional and post-graduate certifications, some from American, George Washington, and MIT Universities. Rodolfo was also Computer Science professor for over 700 students in five institutions between 1966-1973 in Argentina, for IBM, Burroughs, and Honeywell mainframes. After 38 years of computer systems career, Rodolfo retired in 2003 as Chief of Systems Development from the Inter-American Development Bank where he directed 65 software-development computer professionals, supporting member countries in north/central/south America 24x7. In parallel, from 1998 he helped the public with his other career of audio/video electronics. Rodolfo started with hi-end audio in the early 60’s and merged with Home Theater video, multichannel audio, widescreen laser disc, anamorphic DVD, 16x9 NTSC displays, HDTV, Hi-def DVD, IPTV, HDMI, and 2.35:1 Cinemascope HD Home Theater over the past 40+ years. When HDTV started airing in November 1998, he was an early adopter of HDTV and realized that the technology as implemented would overwhelm regular consumers due to its complexity, and it certainly does even today. Rodolfo then launched his HDTV mission of educating and helping consumers understand the complexity, the challenge, and the beauty of the technology, so the public learns to appreciate HDTV not just as another television. |
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