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Thanks for reply Ive had service since a week after Directtv started and
their customer service gets worse everytime I use it ,wonder why they dont
allow adding a new reciever online ........but getting to HDDVR.......I
just bout one ,my second for $599 and it played for 10 hours before it
DIED.Don't know what happened but ,Im not inclined to take another one as a
replacement ,if I can get it direct from DTV for 199 ,but I guess I need to
get to a cust svc rep that knows about the deal .Ken
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From: "James Healy" <
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To: "HDTV Magazine" <
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Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1080i converted to 1080p
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> Ken you must be a customer first. I tried and tried as a new subscriber.
> Finally I ordered their 4 room free package and the minute it was
> initialized I called and requested the "shoppers deal) $299 HDTIVO plus
> $100
> rebate. It was easy once I was on service. Seems real dumb to me because
> the
> installer had to come back a couple of days later to replace my dish with
> a
> HD one.
>
> On 9/18/05 7:56 PM, "KEN WILSON" <
[email protected]> wrote:
>
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>> I've been reading about Direct TV HD DVR's being sold by DTV for $ 199
>> ,but when I ,called they didnt know anything about i ,their price was 549
>> w/$100 rebate .............Does anyone know whats up with
>> this..........Ken Wilson
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>> From: "Rodolfo La Maestra" <
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>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <
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>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: 1080i converted to 1080p
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>>> Hugh,
>>>
>>> What I explained before is a "very" simplified version for a quick and
>>> simple response to your
>>> question, this is way much more complicated than my few paragraphs, but
>>> I
>>> agree with your statement,
>>> too many IFs and usually they work against quality and our pocket, and I
>>> did not include all of the
>>> other IFs from broadcaster processing, distribution system (bit
>>> starving,
>>> compression, multicasting,
>>> etc), your own STB decoder and scaler, even your wiring, your receiver
>>> HDTV bandwidth for switching,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> In other words, from the actual take by the camera all the way to your
>>> living room screen, there is
>>> more certainty that you would not get the full 1920x1080, than
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> Buying a 1080p set with good video processing (or a external video
>>> processor/scaler) "should"
>>> (another IF) be better than a 1080i or a 720 HDTV, IF those pieces do
>>> the
>>> right job and there is
>>> enough data on the incoming signal to perform it correctly.
>>>
>>> Most of these 1080p sets (of today) are struggling to show a good 1080p
>>> upscaled SD image because
>>> they have to create several times the total number of pixels they
>>> receive
>>> and the incoming signals
>>> are already starved and prone to artifacts to start with, in some cases
>>> the "garbage in, garbage
>>> out" theory is actually "garbage in, and even more garbage out", made
>>> more
>>> obvious on larger
>>> screens, which is usually what people do when they are sold the idea of
>>> "double the resolution" :
>>> increase the size of the screen.
>>>
>>> For the 1080i conversion to 1080p many sets use the single field of 540
>>> lines rather than the
>>> complete frame of 1080i to get to the final multiple 1080p frames native
>>> of the display, also, in
>>> other cases they use motion adaptive processing for SD upconversions but
>>> ironically not for 1080i
>>> upconversion, although some manufacturers have stated that they would
>>> probably do that on the next
>>> generation.
>>>
>>> When you pay $500 more for a 1080p set than its 720p version, in a world
>>> of mostly 1080i content,
>>> the choice of buying a 1080p is pretty simple unless the set if a lemon.
>>> When you compare 1080p
>>> sets the $13K Qualia with the $4000 Toshibas, Samsungs, etc that is the
>>> next step on the decision:
>>> "which" 1080p set (you have already passed the step of
>>> not-buying-a-720p).
>>>
>>> One thing I recommend to anyone is to request the remote control and
>>> adjust the image to what you
>>> feel is more close to the ISF you might know already, then make the
>>> decision, most of the sets are
>>> in "dynamic" contrast, wrong color temperature, high sharpness, etc,
>>> even
>>> an excellent set would
>>> look poor that way. If they do not let you do that, move on to another
>>> store.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>> Hugh Campbell
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:28 PM
>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>> Subject: Re: 1080i converted to 1080p
>>>
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>>> Thanks Rodolfo, sounds like a lot of "ifs" to me.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rodolfo La Maestra" <
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>>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <
[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 2:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: 1080i converted to 1080p
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>>>> Hugh,
>>>>
>>>> In theory.
>>>>
>>>> If the content was filmed at 24fps 1080p, the broadcast would sent it
>>>> as
>>>> 1080i, the set would take
>>>> the 1080i version and supposedly would detect that its origin is coming
>>>> from film (progressive), and
>>>> would reconstruct the original frames by joining the correct fields and
>>>> add additional frames using
>>>> its own video processing to display it as 60 fps, if done correctly
>>>> with
>>>> motion adaptive techniques
>>>> it should look well.
>>>>
>>>> If the content originated as interlaced from video 1080i cameras (like
>>>> ND
>>>> Net) the broadcast station
>>>> would send it as is (with all the butchering of compression they might
>>>> add
>>>> of course, but as 1080i),
>>>> your 1080p TV would deinterlace and double that image to obtain 60fps,
>>>> in
>>>> other words it would do
>>>> the video processing from a signal that was not progressive originally
>>>> as
>>>> the case above. The
>>>> result should be OK if the video processing is done correctly.
>>>>
>>>> And we know why both of the above (plus SD processing) are better to
>>>> be
>>>> handled by a good scaler,
>>>> not the TV.
>>>>
>>>> If the same inputs are fed to a 720p TV you would automatically loose
>>>> one
>>>> third of the 1920
>>>> horizontal pixels (to fit the 1280 of 720) provided that the horizontal
>>>> detail was there to start
>>>> with, many Sony cameras limit that to 1440 on the shot they take, that
>>>> would give you about 500 less
>>>> pixels of the horizontal original detail regardless what the broadcast
>>>> transmits and regardless what
>>>> your TV does as miracle poison to do the above.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, 1080i displayed on a 1080p TV should have a better look
>>>> than on a 720p set IF the
>>>> fully resolved signal gets to the set, that is because the 1080p set
>>>> should have a grid with 1920
>>>> horizontal pixels to accommodate for the whole detail IF present.
>>>>
>>>> As you see there are several IFs that a 1080p owner can not control,
>>>> but
>>>> the chances to show a
>>>> better 1080i image than on a 720p set are greater mainly because the
>>>> horizontal axis of the image.
>>>> SD displaying on a 1080p set is another issue, and you are not asking
>>>> that
>>>> question.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Hugh Campbell
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:51 PM
>>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>>> Subject: 1080i converted to 1080p
>>>>
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>>>> When watching sports broadcast by a network using 1080i, ie CBS, how
>>>> will
>>>> the motion artifacts be affected when viewed on a 1080p set? I'm
>>>> wondering
>>>> if the upconversion of the 1080i signal to 1080p will change that at
>>>> all.
>>>> I
>>>> assume garbage in garbage out.
>>>>
>>>> Hugh
>>>>
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