1080i over components

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No, they stopped making the ones that defeat it and I got one that was made
after the fact, so I returned it and got a full refund. It was a good
experiment, and even though it failed I learned that it is impossible to
make a box that will defeat a standard that has yet to be fully implemented.
So I would recommend not purchasing anything that claims to defeat HDCP at
this time and wait until the blu-ray/hd-dvd hardware is available and people
have successfully made them work with component outputs before considering a
device like this. In hindsight I'm glad it didn't work since it's such an
unknown. It may be easy for the player manufacturer or content provider to
flash the firmware on my home unit to disallow certain hardware, such as the
hdcp defeating box. Hard to say at this point, though...

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard Fisher
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:18 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components

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So were you able to defeat HDCP in your system?

Thanks

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mine is on the UPS truck to be delivered this evening
>
> I have a few devices to test it with ... D-VHS (Dtheater), Time Warner
> digital cable, computer (not hdcp), and will report back with my results.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Did any of you guys take advantage of the DVI to VGA convertor from Alan
> Brown months ago that defeated the copyright protect?
>
> I'm covered...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
>
>
> Walt Moody wrote:
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Sounds like we're in literally the same boat! I own the same set, a
>>WS65711, ISF calibrated and if I get rid of it, it will be for a
>>dedicated room with a 1080p projector and a new audio system. I'd like
>>to believe I'll see an HD picture at home from a disc before it comes
>>to that.
>>
>>Walt
>>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Believe me I sympathize. I own a 2002 65" Mits Diamond and the
>>>picture is
>>>absolutely beautiful, particularly since I had it calibrated. It's been
>>>killing me thinking about the fact that I won't be able to take
>>>advantage of
>>>the new HD players using that set. I also purchased a 51" Hitachi
>>>with DVI
>>>in so that I wouldn't be cut out completely. But the situation in
>>>plain
>>>English, SUCKS!
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:31 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>About 6 years. I've seen it crop up several times in that span, but
>>>figured I would answer since the question was asked. Also, I own one of
>>>those older Mits (WS55805).
>>>
>>>The "conflicting information" I referred to relates to the new HD-DVD
>>>drive. Rodolfo and I received conflicting sets of information when we
>>>talked to their representatives at CES about whether 1080i was supported
>>>over component output. We are trying to verify that now and should
>>>have a
>>>(more) definitive answer soon.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | "Anthony Rizzuto" |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 04:20 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Ok, I'm not criticizing anyone and perhaps you and Walt are newer to the
>>>list than I thought, but we have been having this debate for over two
>>>years
>>>and the conclusion has always been the same, no HD over component. I
>>>have
>>>made the argument numerous times that it is unwise for the
>>>manufacturers to
>>>take this posistion as it will cut out at least thirty percent of their
>>>potential market and end up pissing off a lot of consumers etc, etc.
>>>Richard Fisher, myself and others even talked about a potential class
>>>action
>>>law suit against Mitsubishi for failing to make their sets
>>>upgradeable to
>>>DVI / HDMI. How long have you been a subscriber?
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:52 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>There is conflicting information at the moment. But if I were a
>>>manufacturer, I would want to ensure that as many existing HDTV
>>>customers
>>>could use my product as possible. And since only a fraction of current
>>>HDTV's are DVI-D or HDMI-capable ... that would eliminate a section
>>>of the
>>>market. My TV, for example, only has component inputs. So I can
>>>tell you
>>>100% that I will not be buying an HD-DVD drive if it doesn't do HD
>>>resolutions via component output. And thanks to DMCA, I can't even buy a
>>>device anymore to do D-to-A since it would have to defeat copy
>>>protection
>>>to do so ... assuming I even wanted another conversion in my video.
>>>
>>>Rodolfo, anything to add? I know you were looking into this as well.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | Walt Moody |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 03:41 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Did anyone at CES get any solid intel on whether or not Blu-Ray or
>>>HD-DVD will end up allowing 1080i over the component outs? This will
>>>have a large influence over the direction I take with my HT as my
>>>current RPTV lacks either DVI or HDMI inputs. As I see it right now, I
>>>will get no benefit in my current system unless I can get 1080i over the
>>>component outs or the players have analog outs for DD-HD or DTS-HD.
>>>Don't misunderstand, I'm anxious foir the formats. That's the whole
>>>point, 1080i component outs would allow me to enjoy either format a lot
>>>sooner.
>>>
>>>Walt
>>>
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The manufacturer received Jason's sample of the product back and told me it
checked out fine on all their equipment. Jason had compatibility problems
with his equipment. His sample was supposed to be the one with the HDCP
compatible chip. The manufacturer did not cease selling the device until
after Jason's purchase. We still refunded his money because he had trouble
with certain of his current generation equipment working through the
product.

My Denon upconverting DVD player and Comcast digital cable box worked
through my sample of the DVI to VGA converter. Another customer's Comcast
box would not work through his Onkyo HDMI switching surround receiver, but
worked fine connected directly to his Visio plasma. His Sony unpconverting
DVD player worked fine through the Onkyo's HDMI switching. I have know
other installers are having problems with Denon HDMI switching receivers
passing the Comcast signal to displays. Go figure! Incompatibilities are
not isolated to the product Jason tried.

Let's be clear. The Dtrovision converter did not "defeat" HDCP encryption.
It complied with it. What made the device unique was the fact that the
wrong chip was sent to Dtrovision by their chip supplier. The DVI to VGA
converter was never intended to pass HDCP! Dtrovision's chief engineer was
alerted to the capability by a purchaser who happened to try it out on an
HDCP encrypted device. Dtrovision never publicly advertised that their
converter would pass HDCP encrypted video. I found out about it because I
saw an ad for the DVI to VGA converter, called the company, and asked them
if the device would pass such a signal. I was still suspicious, so did not
become a dealer for the contraption until after I obtained a sample and had
verified it would work in my system.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Incl.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jason Burroughs
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:30 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components


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No, they stopped making the ones that defeat it and I got one that was made
after the fact, so I returned it and got a full refund. It was a good
experiment, and even though it failed I learned that it is impossible to
make a box that will defeat a standard that has yet to be fully implemented.
So I would recommend not purchasing anything that claims to defeat HDCP at
this time and wait until the blu-ray/hd-dvd hardware is available and people
have successfully made them work with component outputs before considering a
device like this. In hindsight I'm glad it didn't work since it's such an
unknown. It may be easy for the player manufacturer or content provider to
flash the firmware on my home unit to disallow certain hardware, such as the
hdcp defeating box. Hard to say at this point, though...

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard Fisher
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:18 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

So were you able to defeat HDCP in your system?

Thanks

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mine is on the UPS truck to be delivered this evening
>
> I have a few devices to test it with ... D-VHS (Dtheater), Time Warner
> digital cable, computer (not hdcp), and will report back with my results.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Did any of you guys take advantage of the DVI to VGA convertor from Alan
> Brown months ago that defeated the copyright protect?
>
> I'm covered...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
>
>
> Walt Moody wrote:
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Sounds like we're in literally the same boat! I own the same set, a
>>WS65711, ISF calibrated and if I get rid of it, it will be for a
>>dedicated room with a 1080p projector and a new audio system. I'd like
>>to believe I'll see an HD picture at home from a disc before it comes
>>to that.
>>
>>Walt
>>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Believe me I sympathize. I own a 2002 65" Mits Diamond and the
>>>picture is
>>>absolutely beautiful, particularly since I had it calibrated. It's been
>>>killing me thinking about the fact that I won't be able to take
>>>advantage of
>>>the new HD players using that set. I also purchased a 51" Hitachi
>>>with DVI
>>>in so that I wouldn't be cut out completely. But the situation in
>>>plain
>>>English, SUCKS!
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:31 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>About 6 years. I've seen it crop up several times in that span, but
>>>figured I would answer since the question was asked. Also, I own one of
>>>those older Mits (WS55805).
>>>
>>>The "conflicting information" I referred to relates to the new HD-DVD
>>>drive. Rodolfo and I received conflicting sets of information when we
>>>talked to their representatives at CES about whether 1080i was supported
>>>over component output. We are trying to verify that now and should
>>>have a
>>>(more) definitive answer soon.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | "Anthony Rizzuto" |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 04:20 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Ok, I'm not criticizing anyone and perhaps you and Walt are newer to the
>>>list than I thought, but we have been having this debate for over two
>>>years
>>>and the conclusion has always been the same, no HD over component. I
>>>have
>>>made the argument numerous times that it is unwise for the
>>>manufacturers to
>>>take this posistion as it will cut out at least thirty percent of their
>>>potential market and end up pissing off a lot of consumers etc, etc.
>>>Richard Fisher, myself and others even talked about a potential class
>>>action
>>>law suit against Mitsubishi for failing to make their sets
>>>upgradeable to
>>>DVI / HDMI. How long have you been a subscriber?
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:52 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>There is conflicting information at the moment. But if I were a
>>>manufacturer, I would want to ensure that as many existing HDTV
>>>customers
>>>could use my product as possible. And since only a fraction of current
>>>HDTV's are DVI-D or HDMI-capable ... that would eliminate a section
>>>of the
>>>market. My TV, for example, only has component inputs. So I can
>>>tell you
>>>100% that I will not be buying an HD-DVD drive if it doesn't do HD
>>>resolutions via component output. And thanks to DMCA, I can't even buy a
>>>device anymore to do D-to-A since it would have to defeat copy
>>>protection
>>>to do so ... assuming I even wanted another conversion in my video.
>>>
>>>Rodolfo, anything to add? I know you were looking into this as well.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | Walt Moody |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 03:41 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Did anyone at CES get any solid intel on whether or not Blu-Ray or
>>>HD-DVD will end up allowing 1080i over the component outs? This will
>>>have a large influence over the direction I take with my HT as my
>>>current RPTV lacks either DVI or HDMI inputs. As I see it right now, I
>>>will get no benefit in my current system unless I can get 1080i over the
>>>component outs or the players have analog outs for DD-HD or DTS-HD.
>>>Don't misunderstand, I'm anxious foir the formats. That's the whole
>>>point, 1080i component outs would allow me to enjoy either format a lot
>>>sooner.
>>>
>>>Walt
>>>
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While I don't know the particulars ... I believe any company manufacturing,
advertising, or selling these products could be charged for violating the
DMCA. It basically says that it is illegal to break encryption, show how
to break encryption, etc.

Anyone lawyers on the list with further insight?

-- M. Shane Sturgeon



|---------+--------------------------------->
| | "Jason Burroughs" |
| | <[email protected]>|
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No, they stopped making the ones that defeat it and I got one that was made
after the fact, so I returned it and got a full refund. It was a good
experiment, and even though it failed I learned that it is impossible to
make a box that will defeat a standard that has yet to be fully
implemented.
So I would recommend not purchasing anything that claims to defeat HDCP at
this time and wait until the blu-ray/hd-dvd hardware is available and
people
have successfully made them work with component outputs before considering
a
device like this. In hindsight I'm glad it didn't work since it's such an
unknown. It may be easy for the player manufacturer or content provider to
flash the firmware on my home unit to disallow certain hardware, such as
the
hdcp defeating box. Hard to say at this point, though...

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard Fisher
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:18 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

So were you able to defeat HDCP in your system?

Thanks

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mine is on the UPS truck to be delivered this evening
>
> I have a few devices to test it with ... D-VHS (Dtheater), Time Warner
> digital cable, computer (not hdcp), and will report back with my results.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Did any of you guys take advantage of the DVI to VGA convertor from Alan
> Brown months ago that defeated the copyright protect?
>
> I'm covered...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
>
>
> Walt Moody wrote:
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Sounds like we're in literally the same boat! I own the same set, a
>>WS65711, ISF calibrated and if I get rid of it, it will be for a
>>dedicated room with a 1080p projector and a new audio system. I'd like
>>to believe I'll see an HD picture at home from a disc before it comes
>>to that.
>>
>>Walt
>>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Believe me I sympathize. I own a 2002 65" Mits Diamond and the
>>>picture is
>>>absolutely beautiful, particularly since I had it calibrated. It's been
>>>killing me thinking about the fact that I won't be able to take
>>>advantage of
>>>the new HD players using that set. I also purchased a 51" Hitachi
>>>with DVI
>>>in so that I wouldn't be cut out completely. But the situation in
>>>plain
>>>English, SUCKS!
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:31 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>About 6 years. I've seen it crop up several times in that span, but
>>>figured I would answer since the question was asked. Also, I own one of
>>>those older Mits (WS55805).
>>>
>>>The "conflicting information" I referred to relates to the new HD-DVD
>>>drive. Rodolfo and I received conflicting sets of information when we
>>>talked to their representatives at CES about whether 1080i was supported
>>>over component output. We are trying to verify that now and should
>>>have a
>>>(more) definitive answer soon.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | "Anthony Rizzuto" |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 04:20 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Ok, I'm not criticizing anyone and perhaps you and Walt are newer to the
>>>list than I thought, but we have been having this debate for over two
>>>years
>>>and the conclusion has always been the same, no HD over component. I
>>>have
>>>made the argument numerous times that it is unwise for the
>>>manufacturers to
>>>take this posistion as it will cut out at least thirty percent of their
>>>potential market and end up pissing off a lot of consumers etc, etc.
>>>Richard Fisher, myself and others even talked about a potential class
>>>action
>>>law suit against Mitsubishi for failing to make their sets
>>>upgradeable to
>>>DVI / HDMI. How long have you been a subscriber?
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:52 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>There is conflicting information at the moment. But if I were a
>>>manufacturer, I would want to ensure that as many existing HDTV
>>>customers
>>>could use my product as possible. And since only a fraction of current
>>>HDTV's are DVI-D or HDMI-capable ... that would eliminate a section
>>>of the
>>>market. My TV, for example, only has component inputs. So I can
>>>tell you
>>>100% that I will not be buying an HD-DVD drive if it doesn't do HD
>>>resolutions via component output. And thanks to DMCA, I can't even buy a
>>>device anymore to do D-to-A since it would have to defeat copy
>>>protection
>>>to do so ... assuming I even wanted another conversion in my video.
>>>
>>>Rodolfo, anything to add? I know you were looking into this as well.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | Walt Moody |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 03:41 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Did anyone at CES get any solid intel on whether or not Blu-Ray or
>>>HD-DVD will end up allowing 1080i over the component outs? This will
>>>have a large influence over the direction I take with my HT as my
>>>current RPTV lacks either DVI or HDMI inputs. As I see it right now, I
>>>will get no benefit in my current system unless I can get 1080i over the
>>>component outs or the players have analog outs for DD-HD or DTS-HD.
>>>Don't misunderstand, I'm anxious foir the formats. That's the whole
>>>point, 1080i component outs would allow me to enjoy either format a lot
>>>sooner.
>>>
>>>Walt
>>>
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Alan, I was not intending to bring your name into this, but since you did,
I'll say that I was very pleased with your service and that of the
manufacturer. As much as I like to support small businesses, the return
policy is usually not very good (with good reason), so I was happy to have
your support.

I am very surprised that it checked out for them considering I ran the
following tests using my HTPC, cable box, and jvc 5u d-vhs:

-D-VHS (non Dtheater, such as HDNet content): frame is squeezed vertically,
and signal is 480i or 480p (not sure which one, but I know it's not 1080i,
because the HD convergence mode is not available when watching this content)


-D-VHS (Dtheater): content protected by HDCP, no signal will pass. Message
on screen says non-compliant display detected.

-Time Warner digital cable (Scientific Atlanta 8300HD): at first, the
picture is there, but VERY dark. After 30 minutes or so, it seemed to have
detected something, and disables the HDMI output with a nasty message.

-computer (non-hdcp): picture is about the same

So the product must be incompatible with both the Scientific Atlanta cable
box and the JVC D-VHS unit...

Strange!

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Alan Brown
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:27 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

The manufacturer received Jason's sample of the product back and told me it
checked out fine on all their equipment. Jason had compatibility problems
with his equipment. His sample was supposed to be the one with the HDCP
compatible chip. The manufacturer did not cease selling the device until
after Jason's purchase. We still refunded his money because he had trouble
with certain of his current generation equipment working through the
product.

My Denon upconverting DVD player and Comcast digital cable box worked
through my sample of the DVI to VGA converter. Another customer's Comcast
box would not work through his Onkyo HDMI switching surround receiver, but
worked fine connected directly to his Visio plasma. His Sony unpconverting
DVD player worked fine through the Onkyo's HDMI switching. I have know
other installers are having problems with Denon HDMI switching receivers
passing the Comcast signal to displays. Go figure! Incompatibilities are
not isolated to the product Jason tried.

Let's be clear. The Dtrovision converter did not "defeat" HDCP encryption.
It complied with it. What made the device unique was the fact that the
wrong chip was sent to Dtrovision by their chip supplier. The DVI to VGA
converter was never intended to pass HDCP! Dtrovision's chief engineer was
alerted to the capability by a purchaser who happened to try it out on an
HDCP encrypted device. Dtrovision never publicly advertised that their
converter would pass HDCP encrypted video. I found out about it because I
saw an ad for the DVI to VGA converter, called the company, and asked them
if the device would pass such a signal. I was still suspicious, so did not
become a dealer for the contraption until after I obtained a sample and had
verified it would work in my system.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Incl.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jason Burroughs
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:30 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

No, they stopped making the ones that defeat it and I got one that was made
after the fact, so I returned it and got a full refund. It was a good
experiment, and even though it failed I learned that it is impossible to
make a box that will defeat a standard that has yet to be fully implemented.
So I would recommend not purchasing anything that claims to defeat HDCP at
this time and wait until the blu-ray/hd-dvd hardware is available and people
have successfully made them work with component outputs before considering a
device like this. In hindsight I'm glad it didn't work since it's such an
unknown. It may be easy for the player manufacturer or content provider to
flash the firmware on my home unit to disallow certain hardware, such as the
hdcp defeating box. Hard to say at this point, though...

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard Fisher
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:18 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

So were you able to defeat HDCP in your system?

Thanks

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mine is on the UPS truck to be delivered this evening
>
> I have a few devices to test it with ... D-VHS (Dtheater), Time Warner
> digital cable, computer (not hdcp), and will report back with my results.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Did any of you guys take advantage of the DVI to VGA convertor from Alan
> Brown months ago that defeated the copyright protect?
>
> I'm covered...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
>
>
> Walt Moody wrote:
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Sounds like we're in literally the same boat! I own the same set, a
>>WS65711, ISF calibrated and if I get rid of it, it will be for a
>>dedicated room with a 1080p projector and a new audio system. I'd like
>>to believe I'll see an HD picture at home from a disc before it comes
>>to that.
>>
>>Walt
>>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Believe me I sympathize. I own a 2002 65" Mits Diamond and the
>>>picture is
>>>absolutely beautiful, particularly since I had it calibrated. It's been
>>>killing me thinking about the fact that I won't be able to take
>>>advantage of
>>>the new HD players using that set. I also purchased a 51" Hitachi
>>>with DVI
>>>in so that I wouldn't be cut out completely. But the situation in
>>>plain
>>>English, SUCKS!
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:31 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>About 6 years. I've seen it crop up several times in that span, but
>>>figured I would answer since the question was asked. Also, I own one of
>>>those older Mits (WS55805).
>>>
>>>The "conflicting information" I referred to relates to the new HD-DVD
>>>drive. Rodolfo and I received conflicting sets of information when we
>>>talked to their representatives at CES about whether 1080i was supported
>>>over component output. We are trying to verify that now and should
>>>have a
>>>(more) definitive answer soon.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | "Anthony Rizzuto" |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 04:20 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Ok, I'm not criticizing anyone and perhaps you and Walt are newer to the
>>>list than I thought, but we have been having this debate for over two
>>>years
>>>and the conclusion has always been the same, no HD over component. I
>>>have
>>>made the argument numerous times that it is unwise for the
>>>manufacturers to
>>>take this posistion as it will cut out at least thirty percent of their
>>>potential market and end up pissing off a lot of consumers etc, etc.
>>>Richard Fisher, myself and others even talked about a potential class
>>>action
>>>law suit against Mitsubishi for failing to make their sets
>>>upgradeable to
>>>DVI / HDMI. How long have you been a subscriber?
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:52 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>There is conflicting information at the moment. But if I were a
>>>manufacturer, I would want to ensure that as many existing HDTV
>>>customers
>>>could use my product as possible. And since only a fraction of current
>>>HDTV's are DVI-D or HDMI-capable ... that would eliminate a section
>>>of the
>>>market. My TV, for example, only has component inputs. So I can
>>>tell you
>>>100% that I will not be buying an HD-DVD drive if it doesn't do HD
>>>resolutions via component output. And thanks to DMCA, I can't even buy a
>>>device anymore to do D-to-A since it would have to defeat copy
>>>protection
>>>to do so ... assuming I even wanted another conversion in my video.
>>>
>>>Rodolfo, anything to add? I know you were looking into this as well.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | Walt Moody |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 03:41 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Did anyone at CES get any solid intel on whether or not Blu-Ray or
>>>HD-DVD will end up allowing 1080i over the component outs? This will
>>>have a large influence over the direction I take with my HT as my
>>>current RPTV lacks either DVI or HDMI inputs. As I see it right now, I
>>>will get no benefit in my current system unless I can get 1080i over the
>>>component outs or the players have analog outs for DD-HD or DTS-HD.
>>>Don't misunderstand, I'm anxious foir the formats. That's the whole
>>>point, 1080i component outs would allow me to enjoy either format a lot
>>>sooner.
>>>
>>>Walt
>>>
>>>To unsubscribe please click: [email protected]
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Jason,

Thanks for the kind words about our support. When business people go home
at the end of the day they are consumers, too. I choose not to be
duplicitous about customer service. It works best for me to treat other
people the way I would want to be treated.

All I have is the manufacturer's word that your sample worked on their gear
(whatever that is) when they got it back. I believe you had the trouble you
describe. Strange, indeed!

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jason Burroughs
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:19 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Alan, I was not intending to bring your name into this, but since you did,
I'll say that I was very pleased with your service and that of the
manufacturer. As much as I like to support small businesses, the return
policy is usually not very good (with good reason), so I was happy to have
your support.

I am very surprised that it checked out for them considering I ran the
following tests using my HTPC, cable box, and jvc 5u d-vhs:

-D-VHS (non Dtheater, such as HDNet content): frame is squeezed vertically,
and signal is 480i or 480p (not sure which one, but I know it's not 1080i,
because the HD convergence mode is not available when watching this content)


-D-VHS (Dtheater): content protected by HDCP, no signal will pass. Message
on screen says non-compliant display detected.

-Time Warner digital cable (Scientific Atlanta 8300HD): at first, the
picture is there, but VERY dark. After 30 minutes or so, it seemed to have
detected something, and disables the HDMI output with a nasty message.

-computer (non-hdcp): picture is about the same

So the product must be incompatible with both the Scientific Atlanta cable
box and the JVC D-VHS unit...

Strange!

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Alan Brown
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:27 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

The manufacturer received Jason's sample of the product back and told me it
checked out fine on all their equipment. Jason had compatibility problems
with his equipment. His sample was supposed to be the one with the HDCP
compatible chip. The manufacturer did not cease selling the device until
after Jason's purchase. We still refunded his money because he had trouble
with certain of his current generation equipment working through the
product.

My Denon upconverting DVD player and Comcast digital cable box worked
through my sample of the DVI to VGA converter. Another customer's Comcast
box would not work through his Onkyo HDMI switching surround receiver, but
worked fine connected directly to his Visio plasma. His Sony unpconverting
DVD player worked fine through the Onkyo's HDMI switching. I have know
other installers are having problems with Denon HDMI switching receivers
passing the Comcast signal to displays. Go figure! Incompatibilities are
not isolated to the product Jason tried.

Let's be clear. The Dtrovision converter did not "defeat" HDCP encryption.
It complied with it. What made the device unique was the fact that the
wrong chip was sent to Dtrovision by their chip supplier. The DVI to VGA
converter was never intended to pass HDCP! Dtrovision's chief engineer was
alerted to the capability by a purchaser who happened to try it out on an
HDCP encrypted device. Dtrovision never publicly advertised that their
converter would pass HDCP encrypted video. I found out about it because I
saw an ad for the DVI to VGA converter, called the company, and asked them
if the device would pass such a signal. I was still suspicious, so did not
become a dealer for the contraption until after I obtained a sample and had
verified it would work in my system.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Incl.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jason Burroughs
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:30 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

No, they stopped making the ones that defeat it and I got one that was made
after the fact, so I returned it and got a full refund. It was a good
experiment, and even though it failed I learned that it is impossible to
make a box that will defeat a standard that has yet to be fully implemented.
So I would recommend not purchasing anything that claims to defeat HDCP at
this time and wait until the blu-ray/hd-dvd hardware is available and people
have successfully made them work with component outputs before considering a
device like this. In hindsight I'm glad it didn't work since it's such an
unknown. It may be easy for the player manufacturer or content provider to
flash the firmware on my home unit to disallow certain hardware, such as the
hdcp defeating box. Hard to say at this point, though...

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard Fisher
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:18 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: 1080i over components

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

So were you able to defeat HDCP in your system?

Thanks

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mine is on the UPS truck to be delivered this evening
>
> I have a few devices to test it with ... D-VHS (Dtheater), Time Warner
> digital cable, computer (not hdcp), and will report back with my results.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Did any of you guys take advantage of the DVI to VGA convertor from Alan
> Brown months ago that defeated the copyright protect?
>
> I'm covered...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
>
>
> Walt Moody wrote:
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Sounds like we're in literally the same boat! I own the same set, a
>>WS65711, ISF calibrated and if I get rid of it, it will be for a
>>dedicated room with a 1080p projector and a new audio system. I'd like
>>to believe I'll see an HD picture at home from a disc before it comes
>>to that.
>>
>>Walt
>>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Believe me I sympathize. I own a 2002 65" Mits Diamond and the
>>>picture is
>>>absolutely beautiful, particularly since I had it calibrated. It's been
>>>killing me thinking about the fact that I won't be able to take
>>>advantage of
>>>the new HD players using that set. I also purchased a 51" Hitachi
>>>with DVI
>>>in so that I wouldn't be cut out completely. But the situation in
>>>plain
>>>English, SUCKS!
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:31 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>About 6 years. I've seen it crop up several times in that span, but
>>>figured I would answer since the question was asked. Also, I own one of
>>>those older Mits (WS55805).
>>>
>>>The "conflicting information" I referred to relates to the new HD-DVD
>>>drive. Rodolfo and I received conflicting sets of information when we
>>>talked to their representatives at CES about whether 1080i was supported
>>>over component output. We are trying to verify that now and should
>>>have a
>>>(more) definitive answer soon.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>| | "Anthony Rizzuto" |
>>>| | <[email protected]>|
>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>| | |
>>>| | |
>>>| | 01/12/2006 04:20 PM |
>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>> |
>>>|
>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>|
>>> | cc:
>>>|
>>> | Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>|
>>>
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Ok, I'm not criticizing anyone and perhaps you and Walt are newer to the
>>>list than I thought, but we have been having this debate for over two
>>>years
>>>and the conclusion has always been the same, no HD over component. I
>>>have
>>>made the argument numerous times that it is unwise for the
>>>manufacturers to
>>>take this posistion as it will cut out at least thirty percent of their
>>>potential market and end up pissing off a lot of consumers etc, etc.
>>>Richard Fisher, myself and others even talked about a potential class
>>>action
>>>law suit against Mitsubishi for failing to make their sets
>>>upgradeable to
>>>DVI / HDMI. How long have you been a subscriber?
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
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>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>>
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>>>There is conflicting information at the moment. But if I were a
>>>manufacturer, I would want to ensure that as many existing HDTV
>>>customers
>>>could use my product as possible. And since only a fraction of current
>>>HDTV's are DVI-D or HDMI-capable ... that would eliminate a section
>>>of the
>>>market. My TV, for example, only has component inputs. So I can
>>>tell you
>>>100% that I will not be buying an HD-DVD drive if it doesn't do HD
>>>resolutions via component output. And thanks to DMCA, I can't even buy a
>>>device anymore to do D-to-A since it would have to defeat copy
>>>protection
>>>to do so ... assuming I even wanted another conversion in my video.
>>>
>>>Rodolfo, anything to add? I know you were looking into this as well.
>>>
>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
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>>>Did anyone at CES get any solid intel on whether or not Blu-Ray or
>>>HD-DVD will end up allowing 1080i over the component outs? This will
>>>have a large influence over the direction I take with my HT as my
>>>current RPTV lacks either DVI or HDMI inputs. As I see it right now, I
>>>will get no benefit in my current system unless I can get 1080i over the
>>>component outs or the players have analog outs for DD-HD or DTS-HD.
>>>Don't misunderstand, I'm anxious foir the formats. That's the whole
>>>point, 1080i component outs would allow me to enjoy either format a lot
>>>sooner.
>>>
>>>Walt
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