720p v. "full 1080p"

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YES! Assuming all things equal. Resolution is one of many factors important
to viewing. I am still amazed at how good the Pioneer Professional 720p sets
look compared to some 1080 sets. But yes, comparing Pioneer to Pioneer, the
difference at 11' (+- 2') is obvious, which, ironically, is the approx.
distance we watch them in our store.

Buy a good 1080p and be set for the next 5 years, until 4K comes to home.




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I have an opportunity to purchase a plasma HD.

In terms of what I can actually see with my eyes from about 11', is there a
sufficient difference between 720p and 1080p to warrant the more expensive
display? I am not an audio-video afficionado. I presently own an XBR 1 60"
Sony.

Would appreciate some tips.

Jack


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Your term "sufficient" provides a level of uncertainty on the validity of my
response, because to some people $500 of difference between 720p and 1080p
is a lot even when they can notice a positive difference in pixel structure
and overall image, and it also depends on the prices of the plasmas you are
comparing.

In other words, $500 is a considerable amount on a plasma that costs $2000,
but is not as important on a plasma that costs $5000. So I always operate
in percentages on cases like this, because that way the response adjusts
well to all kinds of public budgets. Like the wiring budget for a A/V
system, the cheaper the system the less concern I would be with top quality
wiring, so I use a percentage on wiring investment on normal systems. Some
times I spend more on the wiring than the pieces to connect when I notice a
difference, but that is me.

What that percentage for plasma is for me? 25%. In other words I would pay
up to 25% more for better resolution on a plasma, but that % is about 100%
on a 1080p vs 720p front projector comparison.

In the case of the plasma, the 25 % is not because I could not spend more,
but because I feel the increase over that point is unjustified in today's
market, even on the Elite Kuros. But is not that easy because usually a
step above includes more than just better resolution, such as better video
processing, so you should check the specs to see what else are you getting
that is of your interest.

The cost evaluation does not have merit if you will NOT be noticing a visual
difference from where you will be sitting. Many people jump to 1080p
because "esta de moda" and then view them from 15 feet away from the kitchen
while they cook, no attention is put to the image, total waste. You get my
point. Use the rule of 3-4 times the height of the plasma for viewing HD,
and more than that distance when the viewing is primarily SD, regardless how
good the video processing is on the set.

Anything above that distance and you might not see the difference, so cost
is irrelevant on that case, and use that test at the store.

If you primarily view 1080i/p content, the 1080p set would "in theory"
produce less artifacts than doing the same with ESPN/ABC 720p content.
Conversions are always points of weakness on the image chain, and you should
avoid that. That by itself could make the price difference less important.

If you are going to get a 720p set consider that it was rumored that this
year there will be good price deals for that type of sets, because the
industry is moving toward 1080p, first with DLP and LCoS, then with LCD
large panels, now with plasmas between 42 and 60 inches as well. So waiting
a bit might be on your benefit and would make the 25% difference larger to
get to 1080p.

My personal preference is 1080p for everything, and in plasmas even when the
50" Elite was introduced at $10K, because I am too concern with image
quality and viewing pixel structure affects my appreciation of an otherwise
good image, but my preference should not be used as a guideline, everyone is
different.

Good luck Jack.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Fr Jack
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:20 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: 720p v. "full 1080p"

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I have an opportunity to purchase a plasma HD.

In terms of what I can actually see with my eyes from about 11', is there a
sufficient difference between 720p and 1080p to warrant the more expensive
display? I am not an audio-video afficionado. I presently own an XBR 1 60"
Sony.

Would appreciate some tips.

Jack


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Gosh, Rodolfo, you should be a politician. Next time I run for office I will
come see you to write my material!

I think you said that at farther distances, 720 or 1080, who can really
tell, and you would be content watching 720 from the kitchen while be
consigned to peeling onions by your sweet wife? But closer, 1080 wins hands
down, and that you would not waste your money on 720 if you were going to
watch it for entertainment, such as The Ladies of Las Vegas?

Is that sufficient understanding percentage-wise? Jeeezz, CES is going to be
dull without you!



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:21 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: 720p v. "full 1080p"

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Your term "sufficient" provides a level of uncertainty on the validity of my
response, because to some people $500 of difference between 720p and 1080p
is a lot even when they can notice a positive difference in pixel structure
and overall image, and it also depends on the prices of the plasmas you are
comparing.

In other words, $500 is a considerable amount on a plasma that costs $2000,
but is not as important on a plasma that costs $5000. So I always operate
in percentages on cases like this, because that way the response adjusts
well to all kinds of public budgets. Like the wiring budget for a A/V
system, the cheaper the system the less concern I would be with top quality
wiring, so I use a percentage on wiring investment on normal systems. Some
times I spend more on the wiring than the pieces to connect when I notice a
difference, but that is me.

What that percentage for plasma is for me? 25%. In other words I would pay
up to 25% more for better resolution on a plasma, but that % is about 100%
on a 1080p vs 720p front projector comparison.

In the case of the plasma, the 25 % is not because I could not spend more,
but because I feel the increase over that point is unjustified in today's
market, even on the Elite Kuros. But is not that easy because usually a
step above includes more than just better resolution, such as better video
processing, so you should check the specs to see what else are you getting
that is of your interest.

The cost evaluation does not have merit if you will NOT be noticing a visual
difference from where you will be sitting. Many people jump to 1080p
because "esta de moda" and then view them from 15 feet away from the kitchen
while they cook, no attention is put to the image, total waste. You get my
point. Use the rule of 3-4 times the height of the plasma for viewing HD,
and more than that distance when the viewing is primarily SD, regardless how
good the video processing is on the set.

Anything above that distance and you might not see the difference, so cost
is irrelevant on that case, and use that test at the store.

If you primarily view 1080i/p content, the 1080p set would "in theory"
produce less artifacts than doing the same with ESPN/ABC 720p content.
Conversions are always points of weakness on the image chain, and you should
avoid that. That by itself could make the price difference less important.

If you are going to get a 720p set consider that it was rumored that this
year there will be good price deals for that type of sets, because the
industry is moving toward 1080p, first with DLP and LCoS, then with LCD
large panels, now with plasmas between 42 and 60 inches as well. So waiting
a bit might be on your benefit and would make the 25% difference larger to
get to 1080p.

My personal preference is 1080p for everything, and in plasmas even when the
50" Elite was introduced at $10K, because I am too concern with image
quality and viewing pixel structure affects my appreciation of an otherwise
good image, but my preference should not be used as a guideline, everyone is
different.

Good luck Jack.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Fr Jack
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:20 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: 720p v. "full 1080p"

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I have an opportunity to purchase a plasma HD.

In terms of what I can actually see with my eyes from about 11', is there a
sufficient difference between 720p and 1080p to warrant the more expensive
display? I am not an audio-video afficionado. I presently own an XBR 1 60"
Sony.

Would appreciate some tips.

Jack


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You got that right Joe.

Did I cause brain damage in that part of the country?

A man at your age should be happy with just 480i as big as it gets.

That statement will disqualify me 100% from being a politician, not to
mention the Tips list.

And since I am already disqualified by the above: "At least I have a
lady to peel the onions in consignation."

Take care Joe.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Azar
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:53 PM
To: 'HDTV Magazine Tips List'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: 720p v. "full 1080p"

Gosh, Rodolfo, you should be a politician. Next time I run for office I will
come see you to write my material!

I think you said that at farther distances, 720 or 1080, who can really
tell, and you would be content watching 720 from the kitchen while be
consigned to peeling onions by your sweet wife? But closer, 1080 wins hands
down, and that you would not waste your money on 720 if you were going to
watch it for entertainment, such as The Ladies of Las Vegas?

Is that sufficient understanding percentage-wise? Jeeezz, CES is going to be
dull without you!



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:21 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: 720p v. "full 1080p"

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Your term "sufficient" provides a level of uncertainty on the validity of my
response, because to some people $500 of difference between 720p and 1080p
is a lot even when they can notice a positive difference in pixel structure
and overall image, and it also depends on the prices of the plasmas you are
comparing.

In other words, $500 is a considerable amount on a plasma that costs $2000,
but is not as important on a plasma that costs $5000. So I always operate
in percentages on cases like this, because that way the response adjusts
well to all kinds of public budgets. Like the wiring budget for a A/V
system, the cheaper the system the less concern I would be with top quality
wiring, so I use a percentage on wiring investment on normal systems. Some
times I spend more on the wiring than the pieces to connect when I notice a
difference, but that is me.

What that percentage for plasma is for me? 25%. In other words I would pay
up to 25% more for better resolution on a plasma, but that % is about 100%
on a 1080p vs 720p front projector comparison.

In the case of the plasma, the 25 % is not because I could not spend more,
but because I feel the increase over that point is unjustified in today's
market, even on the Elite Kuros. But is not that easy because usually a
step above includes more than just better resolution, such as better video
processing, so you should check the specs to see what else are you getting
that is of your interest.

The cost evaluation does not have merit if you will NOT be noticing a visual
difference from where you will be sitting. Many people jump to 1080p
because "esta de moda" and then view them from 15 feet away from the kitchen
while they cook, no attention is put to the image, total waste. You get my
point. Use the rule of 3-4 times the height of the plasma for viewing HD,
and more than that distance when the viewing is primarily SD, regardless how
good the video processing is on the set.

Anything above that distance and you might not see the difference, so cost
is irrelevant on that case, and use that test at the store.

If you primarily view 1080i/p content, the 1080p set would "in theory"
produce less artifacts than doing the same with ESPN/ABC 720p content.
Conversions are always points of weakness on the image chain, and you should
avoid that. That by itself could make the price difference less important.

If you are going to get a 720p set consider that it was rumored that this
year there will be good price deals for that type of sets, because the
industry is moving toward 1080p, first with DLP and LCoS, then with LCD
large panels, now with plasmas between 42 and 60 inches as well. So waiting
a bit might be on your benefit and would make the 25% difference larger to
get to 1080p.

My personal preference is 1080p for everything, and in plasmas even when the
50" Elite was introduced at $10K, because I am too concern with image
quality and viewing pixel structure affects my appreciation of an otherwise
good image, but my preference should not be used as a guideline, everyone is
different.

Good luck Jack.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Fr Jack
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:20 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: 720p v. "full 1080p"

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I have an opportunity to purchase a plasma HD.

In terms of what I can actually see with my eyes from about 11', is there a
sufficient difference between 720p and 1080p to warrant the more expensive
display? I am not an audio-video afficionado. I presently own an XBR 1 60"
Sony.

Would appreciate some tips.

Jack


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No brain damage, but you cut into good drinking time having to read al that!

At my age I am still younger than you, so 330i is still more than you need?

POOR LADY, GOTTA BE TOO TIRED FOR ANYTHING ELSE!

CES is going to be dull without you, but will send you pix of lonely girls
crying for you.

Happy New Year!

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:43 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: 720p v. "full 1080p"

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----



You got that right Joe.

Did I cause brain damage in that part of the country?

A man at your age should be happy with just 480i as big as it gets.

That statement will disqualify me 100% from being a politician, not to
mention the Tips list.

And since I am already disqualified by the above: "At least I have a
lady to peel the onions in consignation."

Take care Joe.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Azar
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:53 PM
To: 'HDTV Magazine Tips List'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: 720p v. "full 1080p"

Gosh, Rodolfo, you should be a politician. Next time I run for office I will
come see you to write my material!

I think you said that at farther distances, 720 or 1080, who can really
tell, and you would be content watching 720 from the kitchen while be
consigned to peeling onions by your sweet wife? But closer, 1080 wins hands
down, and that you would not waste your money on 720 if you were going to
watch it for entertainment, such as The Ladies of Las Vegas?

Is that sufficient understanding percentage-wise? Jeeezz, CES is going to be
dull without you!



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:21 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: 720p v. "full 1080p"

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Your term "sufficient" provides a level of uncertainty on the validity of my
response, because to some people $500 of difference between 720p and 1080p
is a lot even when they can notice a positive difference in pixel structure
and overall image, and it also depends on the prices of the plasmas you are
comparing.

In other words, $500 is a considerable amount on a plasma that costs $2000,
but is not as important on a plasma that costs $5000. So I always operate
in percentages on cases like this, because that way the response adjusts
well to all kinds of public budgets. Like the wiring budget for a A/V
system, the cheaper the system the less concern I would be with top quality
wiring, so I use a percentage on wiring investment on normal systems. Some
times I spend more on the wiring than the pieces to connect when I notice a
difference, but that is me.

What that percentage for plasma is for me? 25%. In other words I would pay
up to 25% more for better resolution on a plasma, but that % is about 100%
on a 1080p vs 720p front projector comparison.

In the case of the plasma, the 25 % is not because I could not spend more,
but because I feel the increase over that point is unjustified in today's
market, even on the Elite Kuros. But is not that easy because usually a
step above includes more than just better resolution, such as better video
processing, so you should check the specs to see what else are you getting
that is of your interest.

The cost evaluation does not have merit if you will NOT be noticing a visual
difference from where you will be sitting. Many people jump to 1080p
because "esta de moda" and then view them from 15 feet away from the kitchen
while they cook, no attention is put to the image, total waste. You get my
point. Use the rule of 3-4 times the height of the plasma for viewing HD,
and more than that distance when the viewing is primarily SD, regardless how
good the video processing is on the set.

Anything above that distance and you might not see the difference, so cost
is irrelevant on that case, and use that test at the store.

If you primarily view 1080i/p content, the 1080p set would "in theory"
produce less artifacts than doing the same with ESPN/ABC 720p content.
Conversions are always points of weakness on the image chain, and you should
avoid that. That by itself could make the price difference less important.

If you are going to get a 720p set consider that it was rumored that this
year there will be good price deals for that type of sets, because the
industry is moving toward 1080p, first with DLP and LCoS, then with LCD
large panels, now with plasmas between 42 and 60 inches as well. So waiting
a bit might be on your benefit and would make the 25% difference larger to
get to 1080p.

My personal preference is 1080p for everything, and in plasmas even when the
50" Elite was introduced at $10K, because I am too concern with image
quality and viewing pixel structure affects my appreciation of an otherwise
good image, but my preference should not be used as a guideline, everyone is
different.

Good luck Jack.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Fr Jack
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:20 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: 720p v. "full 1080p"

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I have an opportunity to purchase a plasma HD.

In terms of what I can actually see with my eyes from about 11', is there a
sufficient difference between 720p and 1080p to warrant the more expensive
display? I am not an audio-video afficionado. I presently own an XBR 1 60"
Sony.

Would appreciate some tips.

Jack


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