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#1
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My nephew in Texas has the same speaker package that I do, albeit a few years newer. His are Definitive Technology BP 7006, with a clr 2300 center channel. Mine are BP 2006 TLs. In the process of going over his system I noticed that the towers were placed with the subs facing each other rather than outward which is the opposite of the way mine were set up. I read the manual and it said that this was the preferred placement for maximum bass. So, I left them as is. When I got home, I reread my manual and it didn't have a preference in placement in or out. It said either position would work, whatever sounds best to you in your room is what you should use. So, for the hell of it I reversed my towers so that the subs were now facing each other. I tried the system out using "The Fellowship of The Ring" extended version as a reference and found out that yes indeed it did make a significant difference.

Then, just for the heck of it, I checked the speaker setting in my receiver and found that the sub had been set to THX rather than mixed. Since the speaker system is not THX, I changed the setting to mixed and then tried the system again and boy did that make an even bigger difference. Bass and depth coming from everywhere like I've never heard. Obviously one of the issues was my fault for not trying the mixed setting. For some reason the installer suggested the THX setting, obviously that person was wrong. The speaker placement on the other hand I have to lay at the feet of the manufacturer.

To let you know what the actual effect was prior to the changes I was running the audio of the previously mentioned disc at -18db. After the changes I was able to decrease that to -23db and I like it loud, so the average person would probably be happy sitting at an even lower setting.

On a separate note, does anyone own the third "Pirates" film in Blu-ray? Normally even since the adjustments I made, I was still running audio between
-23db and -21 depending on the disc. I popped in "Pirates at World End" last night and at -30db it was shaking the walls? FYI, I am running audio over digital coax and playing back in standard 5.1. Has anyone else noticed that the audio on this disc is really cranked? Not a complaint, it sounds amazing, just curious.

Anthony in Orlando.


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#2
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Anthony,

Regarding your question of the 3rd Blu-ray of Pirates, yes I have it, and it
sounded very strong and real specially the ships battles, but I am using 16
speakers, with 2 subs and 4 low frequency transducers under the floor (which
makes a resultant 6 subs across the room), so I understand your feeling of a
shaking soundtrack.

I do not know how the rest of your settings are, but it seems you were using
a sub crossover setting without actually having a sub and those low
frequencies where removed from the L/R speakers and sent nowhere.

Now you apparently are sending the full 20-20Kz of the soundtrack to the
towers and they are crossing over internally the lows to the internal subs.
You might want to adjust in crossover point and gain to make sure they are
balanced with the mids and tweeters (and not too heavy in bass).

One way to verify that is by playing some jazz with acoustic bass, and
adjust the internal subs and A/V receiver settings so the sub woofers are
tight and not boomy, lowering the crossover probably to 80Hz and lower, and
the gain of the internal sub to balance the rest of the system.

Another thing that could have been wrong was that the speakers were
connected out of phase, which makes the low frequencies woofers to cancel
each other when one was pushing air out while the other is moving in, and
when you moved them to their new position you might have inadvertently
connected them correctly, and make them reproduce the correct bass because
they are in phase now.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:28 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: A comment and a question


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

My nephew in Texas has the same speaker package that I do, albeit a few
years newer. His are Definitive Technology BP 7006, with a clr 2300 center
channel. Mine are BP 2006 TLs. In the process of going over his system I
noticed that the towers were placed with the subs facing each other rather
than outward which is the opposite of the way mine were set up. I read the
manual and it said that this was the preferred placement for maximum bass.
So, I left them as is. When I got home, I reread my manual and it didn't
have a preference in placement in or out. It said either position would
work, whatever sounds best to you in your room is what you should use. So,
for the hell of it I reversed my towers so that the subs were now facing
each other. I tried the system out using "The Fellowship of The Ring"
extended version as a reference and found out that yes indeed it did make a
significant difference.

Then, just for the heck of it, I checked the speaker setting in my receiver
and found that the sub had been set to THX rather than mixed. Since the
speaker system is not THX, I changed the setting to mixed and then tried the
system again and boy did that make an even bigger difference. Bass and
depth coming from everywhere like I've never heard. Obviously one of the
issues was my fault for not trying the mixed setting. For some reason the
installer suggested the THX setting, obviously that person was wrong. The
speaker placement on the other hand I have to lay at the feet of the
manufacturer.

To let you know what the actual effect was prior to the changes I was
running the audio of the previously mentioned disc at -18db. After the
changes I was able to decrease that to -23db and I like it loud, so the
average person would probably be happy sitting at an even lower setting.

On a separate note, does anyone own the third "Pirates" film in Blu-ray?
Normally even since the adjustments I made, I was still running audio
between
-23db and -21 depending on the disc. I popped in "Pirates at World End"
last night and at -30db it was shaking the walls? FYI, I am running audio
over digital coax and playing back in standard 5.1. Has anyone else noticed
that the audio on this disc is really cranked? Not a complaint, it sounds
amazing, just curious.

Anthony in Orlando.


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#3
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Thanks as always for the explanation Rodolfo. On a separate note, a friend is interested in a Sharp LC37D62U, do you know anything about this model and is it worth buying?

Let me know at your convenience.

Thanks,

Anthony

----- Original Message ----
From: Rodolfo La Maestra <[email protected]>
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:42:02 AM
Subject: Re: A comment and a question

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Anthony,

Regarding your question of the 3rd Blu-ray of Pirates, yes I have it, and it
sounded very strong and real specially the ships battles, but I am using 16
speakers, with 2 subs and 4 low frequency transducers under the floor (which
makes a resultant 6 subs across the room), so I understand your feeling of a
shaking soundtrack.

I do not know how the rest of your settings are, but it seems you were using
a sub crossover setting without actually having a sub and those low
frequencies where removed from the L/R speakers and sent nowhere.

Now you apparently are sending the full 20-20Kz of the soundtrack to the
towers and they are crossing over internally the lows to the internal subs.
You might want to adjust in crossover point and gain to make sure they are
balanced with the mids and tweeters (and not too heavy in bass).

One way to verify that is by playing some jazz with acoustic bass, and
adjust the internal subs and A/V receiver settings so the sub woofers are
tight and not boomy, lowering the crossover probably to 80Hz and lower, and
the gain of the internal sub to balance the rest of the system.

Another thing that could have been wrong was that the speakers were
connected out of phase, which makes the low frequencies woofers to cancel
each other when one was pushing air out while the other is moving in, and
when you moved them to their new position you might have inadvertently
connected them correctly, and make them reproduce the correct bass because
they are in phase now.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:28 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: A comment and a question


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

My nephew in Texas has the same speaker package that I do, albeit a few
years newer. His are Definitive Technology BP 7006, with a clr 2300 center
channel. Mine are BP 2006 TLs. In the process of going over his system I
noticed that the towers were placed with the subs facing each other rather
than outward which is the opposite of the way mine were set up. I read the
manual and it said that this was the preferred placement for maximum bass.
So, I left them as is. When I got home, I reread my manual and it didn't
have a preference in placement in or out. It said either position would
work, whatever sounds best to you in your room is what you should use. So,
for the hell of it I reversed my towers so that the subs were now facing
each other. I tried the system out using "The Fellowship of The Ring"
extended version as a reference and found out that yes indeed it did make a
significant difference.

Then, just for the heck of it, I checked the speaker setting in my receiver
and found that the sub had been set to THX rather than mixed. Since the
speaker system is not THX, I changed the setting to mixed and then tried the
system again and boy did that make an even bigger difference. Bass and
depth coming from everywhere like I've never heard. Obviously one of the
issues was my fault for not trying the mixed setting. For some reason the
installer suggested the THX setting, obviously that person was wrong. The
speaker placement on the other hand I have to lay at the feet of the
manufacturer.

To let you know what the actual effect was prior to the changes I was
running the audio of the previously mentioned disc at -18db. After the
changes I was able to decrease that to -23db and I like it loud, so the
average person would probably be happy sitting at an even lower setting.

On a separate note, does anyone own the third "Pirates" film in Blu-ray?
Normally even since the adjustments I made, I was still running audio
between
-23db and -21 depending on the disc. I popped in "Pirates at World End"
last night and at -30db it was shaking the walls? FYI, I am running audio
over digital coax and playing back in standard 5.1. Has anyone else noticed
that the audio on this disc is really cranked? Not a complaint, it sounds
amazing, just curious.

Anthony in Orlando.


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#4
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Sharp has gone downhill in the performance department along with
difficult to calibrate architecture.

Try Samsung, Sony or Panasonic for LCD off the top of my head.

Richard Fisher
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HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thanks as always for the explanation Rodolfo. On a separate note, a friend is interested in a Sharp LC37D62U, do you know anything about this model and is it worth buying?
>
> Let me know at your convenience.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rodolfo La Maestra <[email protected]>
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:42:02 AM
> Subject: Re: A comment and a question
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Anthony,
>
> Regarding your question of the 3rd Blu-ray of Pirates, yes I have it, and it
> sounded very strong and real specially the ships battles, but I am using 16
> speakers, with 2 subs and 4 low frequency transducers under the floor (which
> makes a resultant 6 subs across the room), so I understand your feeling of a
> shaking soundtrack.
>
> I do not know how the rest of your settings are, but it seems you were using
> a sub crossover setting without actually having a sub and those low
> frequencies where removed from the L/R speakers and sent nowhere.
>
> Now you apparently are sending the full 20-20Kz of the soundtrack to the
> towers and they are crossing over internally the lows to the internal subs.
> You might want to adjust in crossover point and gain to make sure they are
> balanced with the mids and tweeters (and not too heavy in bass).
>
> One way to verify that is by playing some jazz with acoustic bass, and
> adjust the internal subs and A/V receiver settings so the sub woofers are
> tight and not boomy, lowering the crossover probably to 80Hz and lower, and
> the gain of the internal sub to balance the rest of the system.
>
> Another thing that could have been wrong was that the speakers were
> connected out of phase, which makes the low frequencies woofers to cancel
> each other when one was pushing air out while the other is moving in, and
> when you moved them to their new position you might have inadvertently
> connected them correctly, and make them reproduce the correct bass because
> they are in phase now.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
> Behalf Of Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:28 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> Subject: A comment and a question
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> My nephew in Texas has the same speaker package that I do, albeit a few
> years newer. His are Definitive Technology BP 7006, with a clr 2300 center
> channel. Mine are BP 2006 TLs. In the process of going over his system I
> noticed that the towers were placed with the subs facing each other rather
> than outward which is the opposite of the way mine were set up. I read the
> manual and it said that this was the preferred placement for maximum bass.
> So, I left them as is. When I got home, I reread my manual and it didn't
> have a preference in placement in or out. It said either position would
> work, whatever sounds best to you in your room is what you should use. So,
> for the hell of it I reversed my towers so that the subs were now facing
> each other. I tried the system out using "The Fellowship of The Ring"
> extended version as a reference and found out that yes indeed it did make a
> significant difference.
>
> Then, just for the heck of it, I checked the speaker setting in my receiver
> and found that the sub had been set to THX rather than mixed. Since the
> speaker system is not THX, I changed the setting to mixed and then tried the
> system again and boy did that make an even bigger difference. Bass and
> depth coming from everywhere like I've never heard. Obviously one of the
> issues was my fault for not trying the mixed setting. For some reason the
> installer suggested the THX setting, obviously that person was wrong. The
> speaker placement on the other hand I have to lay at the feet of the
> manufacturer.
>
> To let you know what the actual effect was prior to the changes I was
> running the audio of the previously mentioned disc at -18db. After the
> changes I was able to decrease that to -23db and I like it loud, so the
> average person would probably be happy sitting at an even lower setting.
>
> On a separate note, does anyone own the third "Pirates" film in Blu-ray?
> Normally even since the adjustments I made, I was still running audio
> between
> -23db and -21 depending on the disc. I popped in "Pirates at World End"
> last night and at -30db it was shaking the walls? FYI, I am running audio
> over digital coax and playing back in standard 5.1. Has anyone else noticed
> that the audio on this disc is really cranked? Not a complaint, it sounds
> amazing, just curious.
>
> Anthony in Orlando.
>
>
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#5
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Thanks for the information as always. Disappointing to hear that sharp has taken a turn for the worse. Based on what I've been able to gleam from the tips list, it appears that LCOS has faded from the scene and our current choices are LCD and Plasma. For blacks, ie contrast I would go with plasma but for casual viewing I feel that LCD is unfortunately the way to go. LED still looks like it is in it's infancy if it ever makes it out of it. The reviews I've read have been awful as have the few displays I've seen. Whatever happened to laser or have the manufacturers decided to quit pushing the envelope and just get away with what the lowest common denominator is willing to pay for?

Anthony Rizzuto
Orlando, FL

----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Fisher <[email protected]>
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:18:18 PM
Subject: Re: A comment and a question

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Sharp has gone downhill in the performance department along with
difficult to calibrate architecture.

Try Samsung, Sony or Panasonic for LCD off the top of my head.

Richard Fisher
ISF and HAA certified
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thanks as always for the explanation Rodolfo. On a separate note, a friend is interested in a Sharp LC37D62U, do you know anything about this model and is it worth buying?
>
> Let me know at your convenience.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rodolfo La Maestra <[email protected]>
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:42:02 AM
> Subject: Re: A comment and a question
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Anthony,
>
> Regarding your question of the 3rd Blu-ray of Pirates, yes I have it, and it
> sounded very strong and real specially the ships battles, but I am using 16
> speakers, with 2 subs and 4 low frequency transducers under the floor (which
> makes a resultant 6 subs across the room), so I understand your feeling of a
> shaking soundtrack.
>
> I do not know how the rest of your settings are, but it seems you were using
> a sub crossover setting without actually having a sub and those low
> frequencies where removed from the L/R speakers and sent nowhere.
>
> Now you apparently are sending the full 20-20Kz of the soundtrack to the
> towers and they are crossing over internally the lows to the internal subs.
> You might want to adjust in crossover point and gain to make sure they are
> balanced with the mids and tweeters (and not too heavy in bass).
>
> One way to verify that is by playing some jazz with acoustic bass, and
> adjust the internal subs and A/V receiver settings so the sub woofers are
> tight and not boomy, lowering the crossover probably to 80Hz and lower, and
> the gain of the internal sub to balance the rest of the system.
>
> Another thing that could have been wrong was that the speakers were
> connected out of phase, which makes the low frequencies woofers to cancel
> each other when one was pushing air out while the other is moving in, and
> when you moved them to their new position you might have inadvertently
> connected them correctly, and make them reproduce the correct bass because
> they are in phase now.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
> Behalf Of Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:28 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> Subject: A comment and a question
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> My nephew in Texas has the same speaker package that I do, albeit a few
> years newer. His are Definitive Technology BP 7006, with a clr 2300 center
> channel. Mine are BP 2006 TLs. In the process of going over his system I
> noticed that the towers were placed with the subs facing each other rather
> than outward which is the opposite of the way mine were set up. I read the
> manual and it said that this was the preferred placement for maximum bass.
> So, I left them as is. When I got home, I reread my manual and it didn't
> have a preference in placement in or out. It said either position would
> work, whatever sounds best to you in your room is what you should use. So,
> for the hell of it I reversed my towers so that the subs were now facing
> each other. I tried the system out using "The Fellowship of The Ring"
> extended version as a reference and found out that yes indeed it did make a
> significant difference.
>
> Then, just for the heck of it, I checked the speaker setting in my receiver
> and found that the sub had been set to THX rather than mixed. Since the
> speaker system is not THX, I changed the setting to mixed and then tried the
> system again and boy did that make an even bigger difference. Bass and
> depth coming from everywhere like I've never heard. Obviously one of the
> issues was my fault for not trying the mixed setting. For some reason the
> installer suggested the THX setting, obviously that person was wrong. The
> speaker placement on the other hand I have to lay at the feet of the
> manufacturer.
>
> To let you know what the actual effect was prior to the changes I was
> running the audio of the previously mentioned disc at -18db. After the
> changes I was able to decrease that to -23db and I like it loud, so the
> average person would probably be happy sitting at an even lower setting.
>
> On a separate note, does anyone own the third "Pirates" film in Blu-ray?
> Normally even since the adjustments I made, I was still running audio
> between
> -23db and -21 depending on the disc. I popped in "Pirates at World End"
> last night and at -30db it was shaking the walls? FYI, I am running audio
> over digital coax and playing back in standard 5.1. Has anyone else noticed
> that the audio on this disc is really cranked? Not a complaint, it sounds
> amazing, just curious.
>
> Anthony in Orlando.
>
>
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