----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
I have to agree with Dan 100%.
There is no ATSC to be had at my house with rabbit ears. ATSC must be
far more robust than what we have had for the last 7 years for that to
be plausible. ATSC for emergency services is a red herring... NTSC
outperforms it hands down! I am not alone...
It is easy to forget all this until you lose your electricity and turn
on your battery powered 5" b/w portable with the 3 foot telescoping
antenna to see what is going on. With ATSC I would be in the dark along
with many others.
Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
Dan Vining wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hugh,
>
> I never once said I disagree with the move to ATSC in principle, I said ATSC
> tuners should not be mandated by the government to be included in all sets
> with NTSC tuners and that ATSC will at best have only limited viewers
> because of its current design flaws and narrow threshold levels and I will
> disagree with on this point that NTSC is better than ATSC simply because
> more folks can easily receive it. Those of us with money and resource have
> options but there are a lot of folks that don't.
>
> Should we have to move from analog to digital, of course. Are there
> benefits to ATSC, of course, but not enough (at least for now). Should
> everyone have to pay for an ATSC tuner card in every TV set they buy when
> 99% of us won't use it, don't be stupid.
>
> Just because you've been on the tips for the last 4-5 years educating
> yourself don't think the average American has been doing the same. I deal
> with some of the more educated people everyday and most of them don't have a
> clue when it comes to DTV, HDTV, internet, etc. I also deal some of the
> least educated on up and most of them don't have a clue either.
>
> I'm not saying the American people are ignorant but they are unaware or just
> don't care. Not everyone's life revolves around DTV or HDTV, some folks are
> actually busting there ass trying to make a living and could "F" in care
> less. Others just have better things to do.
>
> Quite frankly Hugh, I think you're a little out of touch! And that comment
> about not boring the tips list, well, that never seemed to have stopped you
> before.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Vining Audio & Video
> Daniel R. Vining
> LLC Member
> [email protected]
> 30 Spring Street
> Danbury, CT 06810
> www.viningaudio.com
> ------------------------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 4:25 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Dan,
>
> There is so much in what you said that I disagree with that I will not bore
> this group debating your remarks. Suffice to say that I think a technology
> that was put together in 1939 is about due for a massive change. NTSC
> standards suck, to be blunt. How anyone could be against moving to ATSC is
> beyond me. Everyone will benefit including the small guy and people who
> don't even know they are missing something. The general populace is not
> near as ignorant as you make them seem. Actually, they are pretty smart.
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Vining" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Hugh,
>>Unfortunately Hugh you're missing the point. The government has mandated
>>all stations to broadcast digital and most are in compliance or will be
>>soon, that's a given. It's the application that's flawed. The current
>>standard of ATSC is inferior to NTSC not in picture quality but in its
>>viable use ability. We are substituting something that works with
>>something
>>that doesn't. Yeah, I know it works but for who, us on the tips you have
>>technical expertise and expendable cash or the mainstream American. I also
>>think your over estimating the typical viewing public's knowledge in this
>>regard, you guys constantly mock the intelligence of the Best Buy and
>>Circuit City sales guys, yet you don't realize these guy exponentially
>>more
>>aware of the technology and capabilities than the average viewer which
>>makes
>>them border line morons, so do you really think the folks that are still
>>use
>>channel 3-4 to hook up there STB to their TV set have a clue. I think
>>you've been talking to people on the tips list far to long and not enough
>>folks in the mainstream about this subject. I deal with people everyday
>>is
>>this regard, from average folks to billionaires and they don't have a
>>clue.
>>I would say less than 10% would know that OTA (ATSC digital) is possible.
>>
>>Yeah, ATSC will replace NTSC but to what gain. It will only benefit the
>>few
>>who are into this stuff. So we on the tips have a vested interest but
>>most
>>others do not and by the time ATSC eliminates NTSC it will be obsolete if
>>only due to the fact that it doesn't have enough to offer. Sure, folks
>>like
>>us may use it occasionally to augment our prime viewing venue (cable/Sat),
>>but that's it. Americans need (want) hundreds of channels and choices and
>>ATSC will never be able to offer more than a handful (unless in
>>Metropolitan
>>areas). And if ATSC converts into something which uses repeating towers
>>similar to cell towers to provide the multitude of channels and wide area
>>of
>>coverage needed, well then it won't be ATSC any more, it would be another
>>subscription service.
>>
>>Does anyone have statistic on this stuff? How many people are NTSC
>>viewers
>>only, how many are Cable/Sat and NTSC, how many folks view ATSC that are
>>NTSC only viewers and how many people that are Cable/Sat viewer also watch
>>ATSC.
>>
>>I would think that most of the ATSC viewer are Cable/Sat subscribers with
>>the HD bug and that most NTSC only viewer don't have digital ready TV and
>>would prefer 10 watch able channels to 1 or 2 pretty picture channels.
>>When
>>you're watching a 24" TV PQ isn't all that important.
>>
>>The basic point is why mandate something that has such limited potential
>>to
>>be used. It's beyond stupid!
>>
>>Sorry, but the Government mandating something so wasteful when there's so
>>much else that needs to be done really pisses me off!!
>>
>>------------------------------------
>>Vining Audio & Video
>>Daniel R. Vining
>>LLC Member
>>[email protected]
>>30 Spring Street
>>Danbury, CT 06810
>>tel: 203 790-8450
>>fax: 203 790-8450
>>mobile: 203 470-2667
>>www.viningaudio.com
>>------------------------------------
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Hugh Campbell
>>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:16 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Dan,
>>
>>I'm running out the door or I would say more, but I have to say that I
>>truly
>>
>>believe that there is no reason why ATSC will not totally replace NTSC.
>>In
>>my area all the networks have been broadcasting ATSC for years. Every
>>channel currently available via NTSC OTA will be available ATSC via OTA
>>and
>>I can't for the life of me understand why you don't think that will
>>happen........it's a done deal. Most little old ladies I know get their
>>programming via cable and "Joe six pack" will not due without his dish.
>>IMHO 99% of the adults in this country know they can still receive signals
>>via OTA.
>>
>>Hugh Campbell
>>Charlotte, NC
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dan Vining" <[email protected]>
>>To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:58 AM
>>Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>>
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>If were going to argue the validity of OTA broadcast during emergencies
>>>let's distinguish which OTA were discussing. I'll agree present analog
>>>NTSC
>>>broadcast is vital, actually I wouldn't say vital but helpful. We can't
>>>take a blanket approach when discussing OTA, the two formats are night
>>>and
>>>day and ATSC will, IMHO never replace NTSC in its current format. For
>>>ATSC
>>>to become a viable alternative to cable or satellite or even OTA NTSC it
>>>will have to offer more than it's presently capable of. You need more
>>>than
>>>2-3 channels, yeah, I know in most areas there's more but only a few will
>>>go
>>>the extra steps to receive all the available stations. I would argue
>>>that
>>>over 50% (if not more) of cable and satellite users don't even know that
>>>OTA
>>>is still available and of those who do know wouldn't make the effort to
>>>receive it during times of emergency.
>>>
>>>All I'm saying is ATSC as a main stream application is not practical or
>>>commercially viable and will not replace NTSC but merely cause there
>>>mutual
>>>demise. That's why the government had to mandate it, cuz there's no way
>>>in
>>>hell that station's board members would waste this kind of money on there
>>>own.
>>>
>>>And if ATSC does survive NTSC it will have alienated 50% of its viewers
>>>who
>>>will not be able to receive the digital signal at levels with in the
>>>required thresholds. Remember NTSC, if you get "any" signal you can get
>>>a
>>>picture, it may be snowy or full of ghosts but you can see and here it,
>>>but
>>>with the digital ATSC broadcast if you not with in the 15-25 db threshold
>>>window you get "nothing". You'll actually be eliminating TV for those
>>>you
>>>can't afford the gadgets to make a suitable master antennae system. And
>>>rabbit ears will work fine for those folks that have now been reduced to
>>>watching only one channel.
>>>
>>>Hmmmm... one pretty picture or 10 snowy pictures, lets ask Joe six pack
>>>what
>>>he wants or the little old lady in the retirement home what they want on
>>>there 13" TV. Not some congressman watching his 50" Plasma.
>>>
>>>And now they have to spend more money on a TV to have fewer channels to
>>>watch. God Bless America. But that's only the 1% that would be watching
>>>ATSC OTA in the first place, the rest of us would just be spending more
>>>for
>>>no reason at all, other than enabling the manufactures to fulfill some
>>>asinine Government mandate.
>>>
>>>But this is just my opinion!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------
>>>Vining Audio & Video
>>>Daniel R. Vining
>>>LLC Member
>>>[email protected]
>>>30 Spring Street
>>>Danbury, CT 06810
>>>www.viningaudio.com
>>>------------------------------------
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>Robert
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:44 AM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Robert Wade Brown" <[email protected]>
>>>To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:38 AM
>>>Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>7/29/2005 10:32am ct
>>>>
>>>> Of course, radio would be vital; but I don't just mean the
>>>>moments after a national emergency or a localized attack. I'm
>>>>talking about various visual presentations which inform and educate
>>>>in a crisis plus people want their TV in such a case. There would
>>>>probably still be electricity and if there were none, various backup
>>>>power scenarios are available.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I agree that OTA TV is vital during emergency conditions. Last year when
>>>SE
>>>Florida was hit with two hurricanes, OTA TV reception provided vital
>>>weather
>>>information. The Doppler radar map showed the red zones where the winds
>>>were
>>>the greatest. Knowing in advance the path of high winds greatly helped
>>>with
>>>short term planning. Radio, by contrast, cannot provide this type of
>>>information; as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.
>>>Also, I am amazed how willing some are to give up their access rights to
>>>the
>>>public air waves. Regardless if you have cable or satellite, it is your
>>>property. Use it or lose it. I certainly would want at least one, maybe
>>>more, TV with a built in ATSC digital tuner. I almost think that more
>>>people
>>>would subscribe to OTA TV if they had to pay for it. Fortunately, access
>>>to
>>>the airwaves is free and digital reception can provide crystal clear
>>>HDTV/DTV pictures, even when analog TV is plagued with noise and ghosts.
>>>
>>>
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I have to agree with Dan 100%.
There is no ATSC to be had at my house with rabbit ears. ATSC must be
far more robust than what we have had for the last 7 years for that to
be plausible. ATSC for emergency services is a red herring... NTSC
outperforms it hands down! I am not alone...
It is easy to forget all this until you lose your electricity and turn
on your battery powered 5" b/w portable with the 3 foot telescoping
antenna to see what is going on. With ATSC I would be in the dark along
with many others.
Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
Dan Vining wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hugh,
>
> I never once said I disagree with the move to ATSC in principle, I said ATSC
> tuners should not be mandated by the government to be included in all sets
> with NTSC tuners and that ATSC will at best have only limited viewers
> because of its current design flaws and narrow threshold levels and I will
> disagree with on this point that NTSC is better than ATSC simply because
> more folks can easily receive it. Those of us with money and resource have
> options but there are a lot of folks that don't.
>
> Should we have to move from analog to digital, of course. Are there
> benefits to ATSC, of course, but not enough (at least for now). Should
> everyone have to pay for an ATSC tuner card in every TV set they buy when
> 99% of us won't use it, don't be stupid.
>
> Just because you've been on the tips for the last 4-5 years educating
> yourself don't think the average American has been doing the same. I deal
> with some of the more educated people everyday and most of them don't have a
> clue when it comes to DTV, HDTV, internet, etc. I also deal some of the
> least educated on up and most of them don't have a clue either.
>
> I'm not saying the American people are ignorant but they are unaware or just
> don't care. Not everyone's life revolves around DTV or HDTV, some folks are
> actually busting there ass trying to make a living and could "F" in care
> less. Others just have better things to do.
>
> Quite frankly Hugh, I think you're a little out of touch! And that comment
> about not boring the tips list, well, that never seemed to have stopped you
> before.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Vining Audio & Video
> Daniel R. Vining
> LLC Member
> [email protected]
> 30 Spring Street
> Danbury, CT 06810
> www.viningaudio.com
> ------------------------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 4:25 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Dan,
>
> There is so much in what you said that I disagree with that I will not bore
> this group debating your remarks. Suffice to say that I think a technology
> that was put together in 1939 is about due for a massive change. NTSC
> standards suck, to be blunt. How anyone could be against moving to ATSC is
> beyond me. Everyone will benefit including the small guy and people who
> don't even know they are missing something. The general populace is not
> near as ignorant as you make them seem. Actually, they are pretty smart.
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Vining" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Hugh,
>>Unfortunately Hugh you're missing the point. The government has mandated
>>all stations to broadcast digital and most are in compliance or will be
>>soon, that's a given. It's the application that's flawed. The current
>>standard of ATSC is inferior to NTSC not in picture quality but in its
>>viable use ability. We are substituting something that works with
>>something
>>that doesn't. Yeah, I know it works but for who, us on the tips you have
>>technical expertise and expendable cash or the mainstream American. I also
>>think your over estimating the typical viewing public's knowledge in this
>>regard, you guys constantly mock the intelligence of the Best Buy and
>>Circuit City sales guys, yet you don't realize these guy exponentially
>>more
>>aware of the technology and capabilities than the average viewer which
>>makes
>>them border line morons, so do you really think the folks that are still
>>use
>>channel 3-4 to hook up there STB to their TV set have a clue. I think
>>you've been talking to people on the tips list far to long and not enough
>>folks in the mainstream about this subject. I deal with people everyday
>>is
>>this regard, from average folks to billionaires and they don't have a
>>clue.
>>I would say less than 10% would know that OTA (ATSC digital) is possible.
>>
>>Yeah, ATSC will replace NTSC but to what gain. It will only benefit the
>>few
>>who are into this stuff. So we on the tips have a vested interest but
>>most
>>others do not and by the time ATSC eliminates NTSC it will be obsolete if
>>only due to the fact that it doesn't have enough to offer. Sure, folks
>>like
>>us may use it occasionally to augment our prime viewing venue (cable/Sat),
>>but that's it. Americans need (want) hundreds of channels and choices and
>>ATSC will never be able to offer more than a handful (unless in
>>Metropolitan
>>areas). And if ATSC converts into something which uses repeating towers
>>similar to cell towers to provide the multitude of channels and wide area
>>of
>>coverage needed, well then it won't be ATSC any more, it would be another
>>subscription service.
>>
>>Does anyone have statistic on this stuff? How many people are NTSC
>>viewers
>>only, how many are Cable/Sat and NTSC, how many folks view ATSC that are
>>NTSC only viewers and how many people that are Cable/Sat viewer also watch
>>ATSC.
>>
>>I would think that most of the ATSC viewer are Cable/Sat subscribers with
>>the HD bug and that most NTSC only viewer don't have digital ready TV and
>>would prefer 10 watch able channels to 1 or 2 pretty picture channels.
>>When
>>you're watching a 24" TV PQ isn't all that important.
>>
>>The basic point is why mandate something that has such limited potential
>>to
>>be used. It's beyond stupid!
>>
>>Sorry, but the Government mandating something so wasteful when there's so
>>much else that needs to be done really pisses me off!!
>>
>>------------------------------------
>>Vining Audio & Video
>>Daniel R. Vining
>>LLC Member
>>[email protected]
>>30 Spring Street
>>Danbury, CT 06810
>>tel: 203 790-8450
>>fax: 203 790-8450
>>mobile: 203 470-2667
>>www.viningaudio.com
>>------------------------------------
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Hugh Campbell
>>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:16 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Dan,
>>
>>I'm running out the door or I would say more, but I have to say that I
>>truly
>>
>>believe that there is no reason why ATSC will not totally replace NTSC.
>>In
>>my area all the networks have been broadcasting ATSC for years. Every
>>channel currently available via NTSC OTA will be available ATSC via OTA
>>and
>>I can't for the life of me understand why you don't think that will
>>happen........it's a done deal. Most little old ladies I know get their
>>programming via cable and "Joe six pack" will not due without his dish.
>>IMHO 99% of the adults in this country know they can still receive signals
>>via OTA.
>>
>>Hugh Campbell
>>Charlotte, NC
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dan Vining" <[email protected]>
>>To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:58 AM
>>Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>>
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>If were going to argue the validity of OTA broadcast during emergencies
>>>let's distinguish which OTA were discussing. I'll agree present analog
>>>NTSC
>>>broadcast is vital, actually I wouldn't say vital but helpful. We can't
>>>take a blanket approach when discussing OTA, the two formats are night
>>>and
>>>day and ATSC will, IMHO never replace NTSC in its current format. For
>>>ATSC
>>>to become a viable alternative to cable or satellite or even OTA NTSC it
>>>will have to offer more than it's presently capable of. You need more
>>>than
>>>2-3 channels, yeah, I know in most areas there's more but only a few will
>>>go
>>>the extra steps to receive all the available stations. I would argue
>>>that
>>>over 50% (if not more) of cable and satellite users don't even know that
>>>OTA
>>>is still available and of those who do know wouldn't make the effort to
>>>receive it during times of emergency.
>>>
>>>All I'm saying is ATSC as a main stream application is not practical or
>>>commercially viable and will not replace NTSC but merely cause there
>>>mutual
>>>demise. That's why the government had to mandate it, cuz there's no way
>>>in
>>>hell that station's board members would waste this kind of money on there
>>>own.
>>>
>>>And if ATSC does survive NTSC it will have alienated 50% of its viewers
>>>who
>>>will not be able to receive the digital signal at levels with in the
>>>required thresholds. Remember NTSC, if you get "any" signal you can get
>>>a
>>>picture, it may be snowy or full of ghosts but you can see and here it,
>>>but
>>>with the digital ATSC broadcast if you not with in the 15-25 db threshold
>>>window you get "nothing". You'll actually be eliminating TV for those
>>>you
>>>can't afford the gadgets to make a suitable master antennae system. And
>>>rabbit ears will work fine for those folks that have now been reduced to
>>>watching only one channel.
>>>
>>>Hmmmm... one pretty picture or 10 snowy pictures, lets ask Joe six pack
>>>what
>>>he wants or the little old lady in the retirement home what they want on
>>>there 13" TV. Not some congressman watching his 50" Plasma.
>>>
>>>And now they have to spend more money on a TV to have fewer channels to
>>>watch. God Bless America. But that's only the 1% that would be watching
>>>ATSC OTA in the first place, the rest of us would just be spending more
>>>for
>>>no reason at all, other than enabling the manufactures to fulfill some
>>>asinine Government mandate.
>>>
>>>But this is just my opinion!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------
>>>Vining Audio & Video
>>>Daniel R. Vining
>>>LLC Member
>>>[email protected]
>>>30 Spring Street
>>>Danbury, CT 06810
>>>www.viningaudio.com
>>>------------------------------------
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>Robert
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:44 AM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Robert Wade Brown" <[email protected]>
>>>To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:38 AM
>>>Subject: Re: PROPOSED NEW DTV TUNER MANDATE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>7/29/2005 10:32am ct
>>>>
>>>> Of course, radio would be vital; but I don't just mean the
>>>>moments after a national emergency or a localized attack. I'm
>>>>talking about various visual presentations which inform and educate
>>>>in a crisis plus people want their TV in such a case. There would
>>>>probably still be electricity and if there were none, various backup
>>>>power scenarios are available.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I agree that OTA TV is vital during emergency conditions. Last year when
>>>SE
>>>Florida was hit with two hurricanes, OTA TV reception provided vital
>>>weather
>>>information. The Doppler radar map showed the red zones where the winds
>>>were
>>>the greatest. Knowing in advance the path of high winds greatly helped
>>>with
>>>short term planning. Radio, by contrast, cannot provide this type of
>>>information; as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.
>>>Also, I am amazed how willing some are to give up their access rights to
>>>the
>>>public air waves. Regardless if you have cable or satellite, it is your
>>>property. Use it or lose it. I certainly would want at least one, maybe
>>>more, TV with a built in ATSC digital tuner. I almost think that more
>>>people
>>>would subscribe to OTA TV if they had to pay for it. Fortunately, access
>>>to
>>>the airwaves is free and digital reception can provide crystal clear
>>>HDTV/DTV pictures, even when analog TV is plagued with noise and ghosts.
>>>
>>>
>>>To unsubscribe please click: [email protected]
>>>
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