Best Buy rip off?

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Sorry Brad, but I have a major issue with the cabling marketing thing since
it seems to want to defy the laws of physics. Whenever I see claims from
cable mfrs like this I am reminded of this article:

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/aud ... Audioholic
sReviewofTransparentCable.html

Using a few simple discrete components coupled with a cable nets a $75k end
product?

Unfortunately cabling, power conditioners and the like are akin to
discussing religion or politics. In the end it's your money to spend and if
you're happy with the gear, that's really all that counts.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Bradley DeMunbrun
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:17 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>
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>
> I have never tried the $1500 power conditioner, but I do have a $150
> Monster Power conditioner that Stereophile gave a good review a few
> years back. I liked the subtle difference it made on my two-channel
> audio system so I also bought one for my HT system. I guess this is a
> lot like cables, I always buy a little bit better than average and I
> think I hear and see a difference. I've done blind A-B testing with
> $75,000 Transparent Speaker Cables- I thought they were better, but not
> $74,800 better than the $200 speaker cables I bought. If you have the
> money I definitely recommend one of the cheaper Monster Power
> Conditioners.
>
> brad
>
> end of transmission.......
>
> On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Bob Mankin wrote:
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > I believe it's both. But that doesn't really answer the surge question.
> >
> > If someone wants to suggest you need a $1500 power conditioner to get
> > "better reds" on your $2k-$3k TV set, I have two words......prove it.
> > If
> > power conditioning were a requisite for the performance of the set,
> > you can
> > bet the manufacturer would include that circuitry. It's not all that
> > expensive.
> >
> > This is just another of Monster's aggressive marketing pitches gone
> > out of
> > control. The worst part is they are pretty effective with this snake
> > oil.
> >
> > Bob
> >



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I understand the loss leader tactic, but trying to push a 1500.00 item on a
person who doesn't know any better is beyond the pale, particularly when you
consider the type of clientel that frequents Best Buy. The majority of
these people have no clue about technolgy. It seems like electronic sales
is getting down to the level of bad auto repair shops.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Mark Alford
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:22 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?


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The one thing most everyone on the list is fogetting is that selling stuff
like cables allows for lower margin opportunities on the TV products.
Without a chance of making profits, no one would want to be a retailer.

Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hart <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:19:21
To:HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?

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Folks,
The problem isn't Monster, It's Best Buy and Sales people who are out for
spiffs (cash incentive payments) or other bonuses for selling add-ons.
Where it really gets out of whack is when the sales people ignore the
application and just try to sell the biggest dollars.

You may not like Monster Cable but they aren't actually in the store it's
the store that makes it happen this way.

Cheers,
Joe Hart

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:11 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?

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I believe it's both. But that doesn't really answer the surge question.

If someone wants to suggest you need a $1500 power conditioner to get
"better reds" on your $2k-$3k TV set, I have two words......prove it. If
power conditioning were a requisite for the performance of the set, you can
bet the manufacturer would include that circuitry. It's not all that
expensive.

This is just another of Monster's aggressive marketing pitches gone out of
control. The worst part is they are pretty effective with this snake oil.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:58 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>
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>
> It's not a surge supressor, it's a power conditioner that takes incoming
> power that may have noise in it, or is uneven in it's output and cleans it
> up so you have a constant supply without spikes, extraneous noise, etc.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
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Bad link Bob.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:26 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?


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Sorry Brad, but I have a major issue with the cabling marketing thing since
it seems to want to defy the laws of physics. Whenever I see claims from
cable mfrs like this I am reminded of this article:

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/aud ... Audioholic
sReviewofTransparentCable.html

Using a few simple discrete components coupled with a cable nets a $75k end
product?

Unfortunately cabling, power conditioners and the like are akin to
discussing religion or politics. In the end it's your money to spend and if
you're happy with the gear, that's really all that counts.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Bradley DeMunbrun
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:17 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>
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>
> I have never tried the $1500 power conditioner, but I do have a $150
> Monster Power conditioner that Stereophile gave a good review a few
> years back. I liked the subtle difference it made on my two-channel
> audio system so I also bought one for my HT system. I guess this is a
> lot like cables, I always buy a little bit better than average and I
> think I hear and see a difference. I've done blind A-B testing with
> $75,000 Transparent Speaker Cables- I thought they were better, but not
> $74,800 better than the $200 speaker cables I bought. If you have the
> money I definitely recommend one of the cheaper Monster Power
> Conditioners.
>
> brad
>
> end of transmission.......
>
> On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Bob Mankin wrote:
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > I believe it's both. But that doesn't really answer the surge question.
> >
> > If someone wants to suggest you need a $1500 power conditioner to get
> > "better reds" on your $2k-$3k TV set, I have two words......prove it.
> > If
> > power conditioning were a requisite for the performance of the set,
> > you can
> > bet the manufacturer would include that circuitry. It's not all that
> > expensive.
> >
> > This is just another of Monster's aggressive marketing pitches gone
> > out of
> > control. The worst part is they are pretty effective with this snake
> > oil.
> >
> > Bob
> >



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I totally understand- not trying to convince anyone one way or the
other. There is a lot of snake oil for sale in the world of HT. I
just prefer to buy the cheapest snake oil I can find.

brad

end of transmission.......

On Dec 1, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Bob Mankin wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Sorry Brad, but I have a major issue with the cabling marketing thing
> since
> it seems to want to defy the laws of physics. Whenever I see claims
> from
> cable mfrs like this I am reminded of this article:
>
> http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/aud ... rconnects/
> Audioholic
> sReviewofTransparentCable.html
>
> Using a few simple discrete components coupled with a cable nets a
> $75k end
> product?
>
> Unfortunately cabling, power conditioners and the like are akin to
> discussing religion or politics. In the end it's your money to spend
> and if
> you're happy with the gear, that's really all that counts.
>
> Bob
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On
>> Behalf Of
>> Bradley DeMunbrun
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:17 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I have never tried the $1500 power conditioner, but I do have a $150
>> Monster Power conditioner that Stereophile gave a good review a few
>> years back. I liked the subtle difference it made on my two-channel
>> audio system so I also bought one for my HT system. I guess this is a
>> lot like cables, I always buy a little bit better than average and I
>> think I hear and see a difference. I've done blind A-B testing with
>> $75,000 Transparent Speaker Cables- I thought they were better, but
>> not
>> $74,800 better than the $200 speaker cables I bought. If you have the
>> money I definitely recommend one of the cheaper Monster Power
>> Conditioners.
>>
>> brad
>>
>> end of transmission.......
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Bob Mankin wrote:
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> I believe it's both. But that doesn't really answer the surge
>>> question.
>>>
>>> If someone wants to suggest you need a $1500 power conditioner to get
>>> "better reds" on your $2k-$3k TV set, I have two words......prove it.
>>> If
>>> power conditioning were a requisite for the performance of the set,
>>> you can
>>> bet the manufacturer would include that circuitry. It's not all that
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> This is just another of Monster's aggressive marketing pitches gone
>>> out of
>>> control. The worst part is they are pretty effective with this snake
>>> oil.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>
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Anthony,

I was at the Dealer's showroom- he didn't let me take them home. I
don't know if Transparent still makes those cables, but they weren't
just cables, they were a "system" (ha, ha). They were hooked up to
the Dynaudio Evidence Speakers and Krell Power amps that were also very
pricey. Were they worth $75,000? Not to me, but you know they had
buyers somewhere so good for them. I know the cable companies have R&D
and Marketing costs, but I doubt those $75,000 cables cost anywhere
near MSRP. Of course, some people question our TV purchases too. To
each his or her own.

brad

end of transmission.......

On Dec 1, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Anthony Rizzuto wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> How were you able to test 75,000.00 cables for a test? You must be
> friends
> with a dealer. That is an amazing amount of money for cables. I
> would be
> willing to bet that those are not even used in Imax theaters.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
> Of
> Bradley DeMunbrun
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I have never tried the $1500 power conditioner, but I do have a $150
> Monster Power conditioner that Stereophile gave a good review a few
> years back. I liked the subtle difference it made on my two-channel
> audio system so I also bought one for my HT system. I guess this is a
> lot like cables, I always buy a little bit better than average and I
> think I hear and see a difference. I've done blind A-B testing with
> $75,000 Transparent Speaker Cables- I thought they were better, but not
> $74,800 better than the $200 speaker cables I bought. If you have the
> money I definitely recommend one of the cheaper Monster Power
> Conditioners.
>
> brad
>
> end of transmission.......
>
> On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Bob Mankin wrote:
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I believe it's both. But that doesn't really answer the surge
>> question.
>>
>> If someone wants to suggest you need a $1500 power conditioner to get
>> "better reds" on your $2k-$3k TV set, I have two words......prove it.
>> If
>> power conditioning were a requisite for the performance of the set,
>> you can
>> bet the manufacturer would include that circuitry. It's not all that
>> expensive.
>>
>> This is just another of Monster's aggressive marketing pitches gone
>> out of
>> control. The worst part is they are pretty effective with this snake
>> oil.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: HDTV Magazine On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Anthony Rizzuto
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:58 AM
>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> It's not a surge supressor, it's a power conditioner that takes
>>> incoming
>>> power that may have noise in it, or is uneven in it's output and
>>> cleans it
>>> up so you have a constant supply without spikes, extraneous noise,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Anthony R.
>>> Orlando, FL
>>>
>>
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On Dec 1, 2005, at 9:33 AM, Joe Soprano dba Fun Services wrote:

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>
> Is a power conditioner any better than a plain old
> surge suppressor and if so are there any
> recommendations from those of you using power
> conditioners?
>
> Joe Soprano
> San Diego
>
> --- Jason Burroughs <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Well, $1500 at 15 a month is 100 months, or almost
>> 10 years, assuming no
>> interest. BB charges about 20% interest or more, so
>> really it would probably
>> be 15 years.
>>
>> I won't buy Monster equipment anymore because of
>> their shady business
>> tactics (suing every company with the word monster
>> in it), but I don't see a
>> problem with buying a good power conditioner either.
>> Like you said, it's the
>> high pressure pitch I don't like.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine
>> On Behalf
>> Of
>> Robert Bullock
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:10 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> I know the subject has been talked to death but from
>> what I read "Monster"
>> does make some good equipment. I would not mind
>> having one myself since I do
>> see fluctuations in the power supply. For $15.00
>> bucks a month it is not
>> such a bad deal. I do not agree with BB tactics if
>> they are telling
>> customers that they must have one to make their TV
>> function.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine
>> On Behalf
>> Of
>> Anthony Rizzuto
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:31 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Thank Jason,
>>
>> That is exactly what I thought was up. When I
>> worked at 20,00 Leagues Under
>> the Sea at Disney World in the 80's we were told if
>> a guest asked if the sub
>> went under water we could legitimately reply yes
>> because it went under a
>> waterfall. It was only if we were asked if it
>> submerged that we had to
>> reply no. Sounds like the same BS to me. I really
>> hate that s---t! I wish
>> there was someway to spread the word so that poor
>> unsuspecting people like
>> our friends could avoid getting hosed.
>>
>> Anthony R.
>> Orlando, FL
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine
>> On Behalf Of
>> Jason Burroughs
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:24 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> A good friend of mine just bought his first
>> HDTV/HTIB and came home with a
>> $300 Monster power conditioner. He said he got the
>> same pitch and didn't
>> know it wasn't needed. Monster must be giving them
>> some kind of incentives!
>>
>> I do know that they don't work on commission per se,
>> but they have daily
>> sales quotas and target numbers that affect their
>> pay. But since it's not
>> technically commission per sale, they can say no
>> when you ask.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine
>> On Behalf
>> Of
>> Anthony Rizzuto
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:20 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Best Buy rip off?
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>
>> I have had two friends go into BB recently looking
>> for televisions only to
>> have the sales people try to shove very pricey power
>> conditioners down their
>> throats. In one instance the sales person tried
>> very hard to sell one of
>> these guys a 1500.00 Monster power conditioner.
>> Claming that if you spread
>> the payments out over four years it's only 15.00 a
>> month. I was there with
>> this guy's brother when another sales person was
>> pushing power conditioners
>> in general as well as very expensive cables. I
>> point blank asked the sales
>> rep if they were on commission and she replied no.
>> It seems suspicious to
>> me that they are making such a strong pitch on power
>> conditioners if they
>> have no incentive for doing so. Anyone know what
>> gives? Further, I've been
>> in Circuit City several times in the past six months
>> and never had an
>> experience like the one I described at Best Buy. I
>> purchased an RP CRT
>> display there in September and they didn't even try
>> to sell me cables.
>> Something smells rotten here.
>>
>> Anthony R.
>> Orlando, FL
>>
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Mark is right on and if it lowers the price of the television I'm all for
it. As with everything.......buyer beware. Take a look at Mr. Softee who
sells the XBOX for a $121. loss....fact not fiction....and then makes it up
on the games. Same with Gillette......give the razor away and charge a ton
for the blades. This has been going on forever........pay more for the
television or pay less and let someone else pay the difference due to
ignorance. Nobody said life was fair. Anyone who is paying $4,000 for a
television and doesn't have sense enough to avoid an additional $1,500 for
something they don't need has a real problem. And when you consider all the
people who screw retailers by returning stuff after using it, etc. it all
comes out in the end. Sad but true.

Hugh



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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?


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The one thing most everyone on the list is fogetting is that selling stuff
like cables allows for lower margin opportunities on the TV products.
Without a chance of making profits, no one would want to be a retailer.

Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hart <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:19:21
To:HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?

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Folks,
The problem isn't Monster, It's Best Buy and Sales people who are out for
spiffs (cash incentive payments) or other bonuses for selling add-ons.
Where it really gets out of whack is when the sales people ignore the
application and just try to sell the biggest dollars.

You may not like Monster Cable but they aren't actually in the store it's
the store that makes it happen this way.

Cheers,
Joe Hart

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:11 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?

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I believe it's both. But that doesn't really answer the surge question.

If someone wants to suggest you need a $1500 power conditioner to get
"better reds" on your $2k-$3k TV set, I have two words......prove it. If
power conditioning were a requisite for the performance of the set, you can
bet the manufacturer would include that circuitry. It's not all that
expensive.

This is just another of Monster's aggressive marketing pitches gone out of
control. The worst part is they are pretty effective with this snake oil.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:58 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Best Buy rip off?
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> It's not a surge supressor, it's a power conditioner that takes incoming
> power that may have noise in it, or is uneven in it's output and cleans it
> up so you have a constant supply without spikes, extraneous noise, etc.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>



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