Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System

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http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/11.blucopy.html


I am not sure how current this info is. I just thought since so much has
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Thanks Larry. That is pretty much what we've been hearing. The real
question for a lot of first adopters is whether the HD signal will pass
through component outs. I don't think we will have the real answer to that
until one of us sees a production model as it appears they are making
changes constantly.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

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Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:57 AM
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Subject: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


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I am not sure how current this info is. I just thought since so much has
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Anthony,

Thanks for the notice. Like many of us, I am still using "Component"
connects as my HD Display is almost 4 years old.

There seems to be a ton of issues that still need ironing out before I plunk
any dead presidents down on a new display and HD movie player.


The 2006 CES is starting to show up on my horizon as something to attend and
also a chance to meet many of the Tipsters like Hugh and Rodolfo.


Larry




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Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:54 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System

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Thanks Larry. That is pretty much what we've been hearing. The real
question for a lot of first adopters is whether the HD signal will pass
through component outs. I don't think we will have the real answer to that
until one of us sees a production model as it appears they are making
changes constantly.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:57 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


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http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/11.blucopy.html


I am not sure how current this info is. I just thought since so much has
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Larry
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It's in Vegas as usual correct? What are the dates? I'd consider attending
that myself if for no other reason than to meet some of the great people
I've had the privilege of communicating with through this forum. I have no
desire to plunk down more "Franklins" either in the short term if I can
avoid it. The most ironic thing to me is how many people have told me that
in a head to head comparison between DVI /HDMI and component, component
still looks better than the other two. This is unsolicited. I just happen
to express and interest in the two other connections and that is what comes
out of their mouths. What annoys me the most is after hearing that I tend
to get the impression that image quality is being sacrificed for copy
protection. At the price point we are dealing with for these displays, that
should not be the case.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:10 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


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Anthony,

Thanks for the notice. Like many of us, I am still using "Component"
connects as my HD Display is almost 4 years old.

There seems to be a ton of issues that still need ironing out before I plunk
any dead presidents down on a new display and HD movie player.


The 2006 CES is starting to show up on my horizon as something to attend and
also a chance to meet many of the Tipsters like Hugh and Rodolfo.


Larry




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:54 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks Larry. That is pretty much what we've been hearing. The real
question for a lot of first adopters is whether the HD signal will pass
through component outs. I don't think we will have the real answer to that
until one of us sees a production model as it appears they are making
changes constantly.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:57 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/11.blucopy.html


I am not sure how current this info is. I just thought since so much has
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Larry
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----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

It's in Vegas as usual correct? What are the dates? I'd consider
attending
that myself if for no other reason than to meet some of the great people
I've had the privilege of communicating with through this forum. I have no
desire to plunk down more "Franklins" either in the short term if I can
avoid it. The most ironic thing to me is how many people have told me that
in a head to head comparison between DVI /HDMI and component, component
still looks better than the other two. This is unsolicited. I just happen
to express and interest in the two other connections and that is what comes
out of their mouths. What annoys me the most is after hearing that I tend
to get the impression that image quality is being sacrificed for copy
protection. At the price point we are dealing with for these displays,
that
should not be the case.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:10 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anthony,

Thanks for the notice. Like many of us, I am still using "Component"
connects as my HD Display is almost 4 years old.

There seems to be a ton of issues that still need ironing out before I
plunk
any dead presidents down on a new display and HD movie player.


The 2006 CES is starting to show up on my horizon as something to attend
and
also a chance to meet many of the Tipsters like Hugh and Rodolfo.


Larry




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:54 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks Larry. That is pretty much what we've been hearing. The real
question for a lot of first adopters is whether the HD signal will pass
through component outs. I don't think we will have the real answer to that
until one of us sees a production model as it appears they are making
changes constantly.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:57 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/11.blucopy.html


I am not sure how current this info is. I just thought since so much has
been discussed about B/R this might be of interest.

Larry
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Thanks, you're a good man Shane!

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

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It's in Vegas as usual correct? What are the dates? I'd consider
attending
that myself if for no other reason than to meet some of the great people
I've had the privilege of communicating with through this forum. I have no
desire to plunk down more "Franklins" either in the short term if I can
avoid it. The most ironic thing to me is how many people have told me that
in a head to head comparison between DVI /HDMI and component, component
still looks better than the other two. This is unsolicited. I just happen
to express and interest in the two other connections and that is what comes
out of their mouths. What annoys me the most is after hearing that I tend
to get the impression that image quality is being sacrificed for copy
protection. At the price point we are dealing with for these displays,
that
should not be the case.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:10 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anthony,

Thanks for the notice. Like many of us, I am still using "Component"
connects as my HD Display is almost 4 years old.

There seems to be a ton of issues that still need ironing out before I
plunk
any dead presidents down on a new display and HD movie player.


The 2006 CES is starting to show up on my horizon as something to attend
and
also a chance to meet many of the Tipsters like Hugh and Rodolfo.


Larry




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:54 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks Larry. That is pretty much what we've been hearing. The real
question for a lot of first adopters is whether the HD signal will pass
through component outs. I don't think we will have the real answer to that
until one of us sees a production model as it appears they are making
changes constantly.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:57 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/11.blucopy.html


I am not sure how current this info is. I just thought since so much has
been discussed about B/R this might be of interest.

Larry
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I'll second that! I just sent in my registration!

Larry


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Thanks, you're a good man Shane!

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

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----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

It's in Vegas as usual correct? What are the dates? I'd consider
attending
that myself if for no other reason than to meet some of the great people
I've had the privilege of communicating with through this forum. I have no
desire to plunk down more "Franklins" either in the short term if I can
avoid it. The most ironic thing to me is how many people have told me that
in a head to head comparison between DVI /HDMI and component, component
still looks better than the other two. This is unsolicited. I just happen
to express and interest in the two other connections and that is what comes
out of their mouths. What annoys me the most is after hearing that I tend
to get the impression that image quality is being sacrificed for copy
protection. At the price point we are dealing with for these displays,
that
should not be the case.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:10 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anthony,

Thanks for the notice. Like many of us, I am still using "Component"
connects as my HD Display is almost 4 years old.

There seems to be a ton of issues that still need ironing out before I
plunk
any dead presidents down on a new display and HD movie player.


The 2006 CES is starting to show up on my horizon as something to attend
and
also a chance to meet many of the Tipsters like Hugh and Rodolfo.


Larry




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:54 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks Larry. That is pretty much what we've been hearing. The real
question for a lot of first adopters is whether the HD signal will pass
through component outs. I don't think we will have the real answer to that
until one of us sees a production model as it appears they are making
changes constantly.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:57 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/11.blucopy.html


I am not sure how current this info is. I just thought since so much has
been discussed about B/R this might be of interest.

Larry
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On another subject, that recent post about DirecTV's announcement regarding
> whole house HD DVR capability... that obviously (?) is a wireless system, I
> hope. Is it?

>From what I heard it was networked with coaxial cable.


On 8/13/05 9:49 AM, "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote:

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>
> For what it's worth, I believe that most manufacturer's attitudes about
> early adopters is that because we are early adopters and pay the higher
> initial prices that we can afford to bite the technological price bullet
> every few years. I remember contacting Sony a couple of months after I
> bought my Sony KP65XBR10W in July of 2001 expressing concern about the DVI
> issue before the advent of HDMI. My new Sony did not support DVI nor did
> the damned set have more than one set of HD component inputs available. I
> was truly pissed when I found that out. I was assured by the boutique
> dealer that I bought it from that it did. Sony assured me that that wasn't
> the case. I insisted and after several additional conversations they
> admitted that I was correct and that they were wrong. It's absurd to me
> that that monitor would only have one set of HD component inputs. That
> basically means that unless I use an external scaler/switcher that I can
> not even play PS DVDs without switching cables somewhere. Sony basically
> was very polite and said that they were "studying" the issue and would get
> back to me and they never did. So, about a year later I contacted them
> again and resent my earlier e-mail and their response and they basically
> said exactly the same thing using slightly different words. In other
> words... good luck.
>
> Another rant of mine is the DirecTV HD DVR that I purchased for $900 back
> in February. Since then the price has dropped dramatically. I saw it at
> Best Buy for $499 after a $100 DirecTV rebate. I can handle this a lot
> easier than the Sony monitor obsolescence IF Blu-Ray or HD DVD will not
> output the native HD signal through component outputs. I have looked at
> the Qualia 70" SXRD set and was very impressed but even at that price
> several reviews that I read expressed some concerns about several
> issues. So, bottom line when I am forced to replace my 65" XBR I probably
> will look to other manufacturers first rather than Sony. I'm sure that
> other manufacturers are probably doing the same damned thing though. I
> guess that's the price we pay for being early adopters. All in all I guess
> that I wouldn't have done it any differently but I certainly wish the
> damned 65" XBR had more than one set of component inputs.
>
> On another subject, that recent post about DirecTV's announcement regarding
> whole house HD DVR capability... that obviously (?) is a wireless system, I
> hope. Is it?
>
> Tom
>
> Please note that my new e-mail address is [email protected]
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> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> James Healy
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:24 AM
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>
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>
> On another subject, that recent post about DirecTV's announcement
> regarding
> > whole house HD DVR capability... that obviously (?) is a wireless
> system, I
> > hope. Is it?
>
> >From what I heard it was networked with coaxial cable.

No wireless spec exists that will support multiple HDTV streams. Perhaps
802.11n if they add some QoS features, but without that, you're screwed for
a wireless solution.

It does sound like coax gets the nod for the first generation products, but
I envision that being a wiring nightmare with at least two pulls required
per room to make it work.

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No, coax can act as an ethernet cable, which would
only require a single run for each box. The coax can
support cable/TV as well as network traffic.

But, you would need some kind of router at the
junction box where the runs split out to each room.

--- Bob Mankin <[email protected]> wrote:

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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> > James Healy
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> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on
> Copy Protection System
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > On another subject, that recent post about
> DirecTV's announcement
> > regarding
> > > whole house HD DVR capability... that obviously
> (?) is a wireless
> > system, I
> > > hope. Is it?
> >
> > >From what I heard it was networked with coaxial
> cable.
>
> No wireless spec exists that will support multiple
> HDTV streams. Perhaps
> 802.11n if they add some QoS features, but without
> that, you're screwed for
> a wireless solution.
>
> It does sound like coax gets the nod for the first
> generation products, but
> I envision that being a wiring nightmare with at
> least two pulls required
> per room to make it work.
>
> Bob
>
>
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When I bought my Toshiba 57HX81 in the Summer of 2001, I knew that DVI was
around the corner and my set would not have that capability. The info was
out there in 2001 that DVI was coming and also the possibility of
downrezzing for component. That set gave me many hours of enjoyment. I did
the research before I boughtit and I was well aware of the consequences
down the road.
I recently upgraded to a 1080P DLP set, and again realize the consequences
of upgrading at this time. It will only accept 1080P through the vga(analog)
input, and 1080i max through the hdmi input. But from thorough research you
can make an informed decision and decide if now is the time to make a
purchase.
----- Original Message -----
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To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> For what it's worth, I believe that most manufacturer's attitudes about
> early adopters is that because we are early adopters and pay the higher
> initial prices that we can afford to bite the technological price bullet
> every few years. I remember contacting Sony a couple of months after I
> bought my Sony KP65XBR10W in July of 2001 expressing concern about the DVI
> issue before the advent of HDMI. My new Sony did not support DVI nor did
> the damned set have more than one set of HD component inputs available. I
> was truly pissed when I found that out. I was assured by the boutique
> dealer that I bought it from that it did. Sony assured me that that
> wasn't the case. I insisted and after several additional conversations
> they admitted that I was correct and that they were wrong. It's absurd to
> me that that monitor would only have one set of HD component inputs. That
> basically means that unless I use an external scaler/switcher that I can
> not even play PS DVDs without switching cables somewhere. Sony basically
> was very polite and said that they were "studying" the issue and would get
> back to me and they never did. So, about a year later I contacted them
> again and resent my earlier e-mail and their response and they basically
> said exactly the same thing using slightly different words. In other
> words... good luck.
>
> Another rant of mine is the DirecTV HD DVR that I purchased for $900 back
> in February. Since then the price has dropped dramatically. I saw it at
> Best Buy for $499 after a $100 DirecTV rebate. I can handle this a lot
> easier than the Sony monitor obsolescence IF Blu-Ray or HD DVD will not
> output the native HD signal through component outputs. I have looked at
> the Qualia 70" SXRD set and was very impressed but even at that price
> several reviews that I read expressed some concerns about several issues.
> So, bottom line when I am forced to replace my 65" XBR I probably will
> look to other manufacturers first rather than Sony. I'm sure that other
> manufacturers are probably doing the same damned thing though. I guess
> that's the price we pay for being early adopters. All in all I guess that
> I wouldn't have done it any differently but I certainly wish the damned
> 65" XBR had more than one set of component inputs.
>
> On another subject, that recent post about DirecTV's announcement
> regarding whole house HD DVR capability... that obviously (?) is a
> wireless system, I hope. Is it?
>
> Tom
>
> Please note that my new e-mail address is [email protected]
>
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#12
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That scenario would defeat the purpose of a central server for DVR
functions, would it not?

Seems to me the router/switch functions will need to reside in the base
station box.

So do you just modify the existing pulls and run them to the base station
location? Splitting outside the home would not seem viable, unless you're
talking some newer, more intelligent switch.

I get the feeling the early versions of these home media centers will be a
bit on the crude side. Certainly SD only at first to simplify the added
complications of HD bandwidth.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Perry Yastrov
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:30 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> No, coax can act as an ethernet cable, which would
> only require a single run for each box. The coax can
> support cable/TV as well as network traffic.
>
> But, you would need some kind of router at the
> junction box where the runs split out to each room.
>
> --- Bob Mankin <[email protected]> wrote:
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I really don't have any insight into how they intend
to configure the product with respect to how they
expect the server and clients to be networked.

As far as networking and servers go, how your network
is configured is independant to where your server is
located and where your clients are located.

The clients are programmed to know the network address
of the server, and the server knows the addresses of
the clients when they send requests for content.

--- Bob Mankin <[email protected]> wrote:

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>
> That scenario would defeat the purpose of a central
> server for DVR
> functions, would it not?
>
> Seems to me the router/switch functions will need to
> reside in the base
> station box.
>
> So do you just modify the existing pulls and run
> them to the base station
> location? Splitting outside the home would not seem
> viable, unless you're
> talking some newer, more intelligent switch.
>
> I get the feeling the early versions of these home
> media centers will be a
> bit on the crude side. Certainly SD only at first to
> simplify the added
> complications of HD bandwidth.
>
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> > Perry Yastrov
> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:30 AM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on
> Copy Protection System
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > No, coax can act as an ethernet cable, which would
> > only require a single run for each box. The coax
> can
> > support cable/TV as well as network traffic.
> >
> > But, you would need some kind of router at the
> > junction box where the runs split out to each
> room.
> >
> > --- Bob Mankin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
>
>
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#14
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This problem is a little different than a general networking install. By
default, assume the server will sit with the primary TV or HT location and
the clients will be lesser used satellite bedroom/family room/den locations.


Since most multi-box cable or DBS installs today don't have existing cable
direct from the server site to the client sites in the home, it becomes a
significant issue. Somebody will be doing some attic or crawl space work to
make it happen, is my guess.

Perhaps you're referring to general network protocols?

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Perry Yastrov
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:57 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I really don't have any insight into how they intend
> to configure the product with respect to how they
> expect the server and clients to be networked.
>
> As far as networking and servers go, how your network
> is configured is independant to where your server is
> located and where your clients are located.
>
> The clients are programmed to know the network address
> of the server, and the server knows the addresses of
> the clients when they send requests for content.
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#15
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Yes, I'm referring to general networking protocols,
but this is no different. They are going to be using
standard networking to connect the boxes. If they
engineer their own proprietary network scheme, the
cost of the box will go throught the roof.

Granted the average person may not have their house
networked, which is why some are speculating that they
will use a wireless approach.

Or, perhaps they are going to use the powerline
network technology, which would not require any
modification to the home? (I seriously doubt this
though)

It would be interested to get some info on how they
intend to network the boxes.

--- Bob Mankin <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> This problem is a little different than a general
> networking install. By
> default, assume the server will sit with the primary
> TV or HT location and
> the clients will be lesser used satellite
> bedroom/family room/den locations.
>
>
> Since most multi-box cable or DBS installs today
> don't have existing cable
> direct from the server site to the client sites in
> the home, it becomes a
> significant issue. Somebody will be doing some attic
> or crawl space work to
> make it happen, is my guess.
>
> Perhaps you're referring to general network
> protocols?
>
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> > Perry Yastrov
> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:57 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on
> Copy Protection System
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > I really don't have any insight into how they
> intend
> > to configure the product with respect to how they
> > expect the server and clients to be networked.
> >
> > As far as networking and servers go, how your
> network
> > is configured is independant to where your server
> is
> > located and where your clients are located.
> >
> > The clients are programmed to know the network
> address
> > of the server, and the server knows the addresses
> of
> > the clients when they send requests for content.
> >
>
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#16
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How do you like the 1080P set? What brand? Does it appear to be worth the
extra bucks? Would like your review.

Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron W. Thompson" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> When I bought my Toshiba 57HX81 in the Summer of 2001, I knew that DVI was
> around the corner and my set would not have that capability. The info was
> out there in 2001 that DVI was coming and also the possibility of
> downrezzing for component. That set gave me many hours of enjoyment. I did
> the research before I boughtit and I was well aware of the consequences
> down the road.
> I recently upgraded to a 1080P DLP set, and again realize the consequences
> of upgrading at this time. It will only accept 1080P through the
> vga(analog) input, and 1080i max through the hdmi input. But from thorough
> research you can make an informed decision and decide if now is the time
> to make a purchase.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Association Agrees on Copy Protection System
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> For what it's worth, I believe that most manufacturer's attitudes about
>> early adopters is that because we are early adopters and pay the higher
>> initial prices that we can afford to bite the technological price bullet
>> every few years. I remember contacting Sony a couple of months after I
>> bought my Sony KP65XBR10W in July of 2001 expressing concern about the
>> DVI issue before the advent of HDMI. My new Sony did not support DVI nor
>> did the damned set have more than one set of HD component inputs
>> available. I was truly pissed when I found that out. I was assured by
>> the boutique dealer that I bought it from that it did. Sony assured me
>> that that wasn't the case. I insisted and after several additional
>> conversations they admitted that I was correct and that they were wrong.
>> It's absurd to me that that monitor would only have one set of HD
>> component inputs. That basically means that unless I use an external
>> scaler/switcher that I can not even play PS DVDs without switching cables
>> somewhere. Sony basically was very polite and said that they were
>> "studying" the issue and would get back to me and they never did. So,
>> about a year later I contacted them again and resent my earlier e-mail
>> and their response and they basically said exactly the same thing using
>> slightly different words. In other words... good luck.
>>
>> Another rant of mine is the DirecTV HD DVR that I purchased for $900 back
>> in February. Since then the price has dropped dramatically. I saw it at
>> Best Buy for $499 after a $100 DirecTV rebate. I can handle this a lot
>> easier than the Sony monitor obsolescence IF Blu-Ray or HD DVD will not
>> output the native HD signal through component outputs. I have looked at
>> the Qualia 70" SXRD set and was very impressed but even at that price
>> several reviews that I read expressed some concerns about several issues.
>> So, bottom line when I am forced to replace my 65" XBR I probably will
>> look to other manufacturers first rather than Sony. I'm sure that other
>> manufacturers are probably doing the same damned thing though. I guess
>> that's the price we pay for being early adopters. All in all I guess
>> that I wouldn't have done it any differently but I certainly wish the
>> damned 65" XBR had more than one set of component inputs.
>>
>> On another subject, that recent post about DirecTV's announcement
>> regarding whole house HD DVR capability... that obviously (?) is a
>> wireless system, I hope. Is it?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Please note that my new e-mail address is [email protected]
>>
>> AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
>> Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
>> that take our breath away.
>>
>>
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