Blu_Ray Demo

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At 03:18 PM 1/3/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>Rodolfo - when can I get a display that is around 60" or larger,
>supports 1080p/24 natively, and is $4000 or less (street price)? Are we
>there yet? Can I expect to see something like this maybe in a year when
>my warranty for my Elite expires? I'm still very happy with the
>performance I'm getting now, but just keeping an eye towards the future
>without getting too deep in the technical details these days.

The industry actually reached that point a year and a half ago with
the HP DLP Microdisplays. When I purchased my 58" MD5880n for about
$3000 (street) in late 2005 it was one of three sets (A Brillian RPM
and the Sony "Ruby" FP being the other two) which accepted native
1080p input (a requirement for me). And my HP also accepts
1080p/24. This past year HP dropped the price of their 65" model
(MD6580n) to around $3000 (street) with the same
specifications. Finally, at CEDIA a lot of other manufacturers
introduced sets with 1080p capabilities and I believe a number of
them support 24fps. The crown jewel, in my opinion, the Sony
VPL-VW50 - a front projection LCoS unit - blew the socks off the
pricing structure with a list price of under $5000 and it specializes
in 1080p/24 display of the finest quality. In other words, the
"future" is already here and has been for some time. As a side note,
I notice that HP has decided to concentrate on Plasma and LCD models
from now on (to go along with their home automation and wall hanging
video display initiatives) so they are not introducing any new DLP
models (even though they hold several patents in aspects of DLP
displays). I would venture to guess that they are closing out their
Microdisplay line at this point. However, you should have a large
number of 1080p/24 displays from a wide variety of manufacturers at
your disposal well within your price range (either RPM or FP) or even
well below the $4000 price point when you are ready to buy.


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Transporter seemed very striking to me, I played as 480i, 480p, 720p,
1080i60, 1080p60, and 1080p 24fps. The winner was hands down 1080p 24fps,
and that seemed consistent with the other viewing I did.

The shots of the Transporter are taken in sunny daylight and the car races
are heart pounding, all that helps for your purpose (if the audience does
not get offended by the ruff action of course).

Make sure you set the player as Direct 1080p 24p output if you have a set
that accepts that, it makes a difference compared to 1080p 60p or I,
especially if the screen in large (front projection), I showed it on a 130
Stewart Firehawk Cinerama 2.35:1 AR projecting 1080p from Optoma HD81 DLP
thru anamorphic lenses from Panamorph, breathtaking indeed, but I did not
tested it on my other RPTV, I might later in Jan.

It has DTS Master Audio and claims 18mbps on MPEG-2 on the label, the
transfer is very nice.

After playing the full movie I did some casual Mbps comparisons while the
speed rate was showing on the screen from the Sony player menu, it never
showed anything lower than 19 on those shorts, they were mostly on the 25
range and many times close to 33 Mbps.

I did not play the DTS Master Audio stream as such but as a DTS coax and it
sounded very clean to me, well balanced, deep and tight bass, I am playing
with 16 speakers though, I do not know how it would be on a normal 5.1 but
it should be much better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 version (which this disc
does not have).

Transporter 2 would probably follow the same pattern as above judging by the
trailer on the disc, I have it but I did not play it yet.

I played some of the Fifth element that came with the player and because
many shots are not daylight it might not be as striking as the Transporter
quality, but it was noticeable the effect of 24fps 1080p output on a 130"
screen.

The League of .. Gentleman title seems shot also 95% in the dark, I have it
but did not play it yet.

Superman Returns seemed well to me on the few minutes I played, but I have
to play it all the way to the credits with different settings to make a
comment.

I have other titles that I are waiting on the rack to be reviewed but I am
preparing for CES and they would have to wait until mid-Jan.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Gregg Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:31 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu_Ray Demo

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Can anyone recommend the best looking Blu-Ray DVD's they have seen? I want
to use them as demos. I received "Hitch" & "XXX" on a demo but they are not
very impressive to me. They are good but not slap you in face wow kind of
good.


Gregg Dixon


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[Gregg Dixon] Thanks Rodolfo, I wanted to use the disc to demo not only the
projector/monitor but the player as well. Will the benefits (improved
picture) still be seen even if the TV in this particular case only does
1080i? I am showing it on a Sony 60" SXRD. The problems I see with "Hitch"
are that because it is film it looks a little soft. The biggest improvement
that jumps out at me is how much better the menus and warning screens look.
The colors are much crisper and the FBI warning screen appears more
detailed. That's the most obvious improvement I saw right away.

With "XXX" it just does not seem to be a very high quality film. It does
not look bad but it does not look great either.

Thanks for the recommendations so far.


[Gregg Dixon]


Transporter seemed very striking to me, I played as 480i, 480p, 720p,
1080i60, 1080p60, and 1080p 24fps. The winner was hands down 1080p 24fps,
and that seemed consistent with the other viewing I did.

The shots of the Transporter are taken in sunny daylight and the car races
are heart pounding, all that helps for your purpose (if the audience does
not get offended by the ruff action of course).

Make sure you set the player as Direct 1080p 24p output if you have a set
that accepts that, it makes a difference compared to 1080p 60p or I,
especially if the screen in large (front projection), I showed it on a 130
Stewart Firehawk Cinerama 2.35:1 AR projecting 1080p from Optoma HD81 DLP
thru anamorphic lenses from Panamorph, breathtaking indeed, but I did not
tested it on my other RPTV, I might later in Jan.

It has DTS Master Audio and claims 18mbps on MPEG-2 on the label, the
transfer is very nice.

After playing the full movie I did some casual Mbps comparisons while the
speed rate was showing on the screen from the Sony player menu, it never
showed anything lower than 19 on those shorts, they were mostly on the 25
range and many times close to 33 Mbps.

I did not play the DTS Master Audio stream as such but as a DTS coax and it
sounded very clean to me, well balanced, deep and tight bass, I am playing
with 16 speakers though, I do not know how it would be on a normal 5.1 but
it should be much better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 version (which this disc
does not have).

Transporter 2 would probably follow the same pattern as above judging by the
trailer on the disc, I have it but I did not play it yet.

I played some of the Fifth element that came with the player and because
many shots are not daylight it might not be as striking as the Transporter
quality, but it was noticeable the effect of 24fps 1080p output on a 130"
screen.

The League of .. Gentleman title seems shot also 95% in the dark, I have it
but did not play it yet.

Superman Returns seemed well to me on the few minutes I played, but I have
to play it all the way to the credits with different settings to make a
comment.

I have other titles that I are waiting on the rack to be reviewed but I am
preparing for CES and they would have to wait until mid-Jan.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Gregg Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:31 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu_Ray Demo

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Can anyone recommend the best looking Blu-Ray DVD's they have seen? I want
to use them as demos. I received "Hitch" & "XXX" on a demo but they are not
very impressive to me. They are good but not slap you in face wow kind of
good.


Gregg Dixon


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Greg,

The warnings and MPAA signs on this disc looked as painted on the screen,
very clean indeed.

The faces of the close-ups of the main character and the inspector outdoors
were stunning regarding detail on the skin porous, skin sweat, glow of
medium tanned faces, the sky and water on the house of the transporter
looked very real and open, I wish I would have a house on that shore.

As I said, for a stunning demo "for most people" choose a disc that has
sunny outdoors rather than one that is mostly dark. I am saying that
because I also like to see how the blu-ray medium and the equipment handle
darkness and black, but I your purpose is different.

Your 1080i inputs would show two video processing steps that compromises the
quality of pure 24p, one is 2:3 pulldown to get to 60i from the 48 half
frames of 24p, and the next step is deinterlacing those 60i to obtain 60p
within the TV for display on the 1080x1920 SXRD panels.

In your setup the first step is done within the Blu-ray player, you choose
1080i60 output on the video button of the remote. The image was still
acceptable when I played it hat way and the scaler jumped it to 1080p, but
it was no comparison with true 24p, the details came out, on the skin, edges
of objects are clear, etc.

Even if you would have the newer Sony set, if the set does not accept 24fps
(but just 60fps on 1080p for example) you would end up with both steps of
video processing, the player doing both video processing steps in this case,
because the frame rate communication between both pieces is at 60fps, not at
24fps.

You will also have a mid-term solution if the TV accepts 24fps but only
displays at 60fps, in that case the two steps would be done by the TV. In
order to obtain the maximum benefit the set should display at multiples of
24 (like 48, 72, 120 Hz) so no 2:3 pulldown and deinterlacing takes place in
any piece of equipment.

So the answer to your question is: your 1080i input would not permit the
full capabilities of displaying what 24fps blu-ray can do to your eyes, but
that also depends on the relationship of screen size-distance of viewing; if
you are viewer that sits far away you might not even notice the benefit of
not doing the two step conversions above, and 'i" might look the same as "p"
to your eyes on such conditions.

I would still choose the blu-ray demo as sunny and outdoors as possible.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Gregg Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:17 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo

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[Gregg Dixon] Thanks Rodolfo, I wanted to use the disc to demo not only the
projector/monitor but the player as well. Will the benefits (improved
picture) still be seen even if the TV in this particular case only does
1080i? I am showing it on a Sony 60" SXRD. The problems I see with "Hitch"
are that because it is film it looks a little soft. The biggest improvement
that jumps out at me is how much better the menus and warning screens look.
The colors are much crisper and the FBI warning screen appears more
detailed. That's the most obvious improvement I saw right away.

With "XXX" it just does not seem to be a very high quality film. It does
not look bad but it does not look great either.

Thanks for the recommendations so far.


[Gregg Dixon]


Transporter seemed very striking to me, I played as 480i, 480p, 720p,
1080i60, 1080p60, and 1080p 24fps. The winner was hands down 1080p 24fps,
and that seemed consistent with the other viewing I did.

The shots of the Transporter are taken in sunny daylight and the car races
are heart pounding, all that helps for your purpose (if the audience does
not get offended by the ruff action of course).

Make sure you set the player as Direct 1080p 24p output if you have a set
that accepts that, it makes a difference compared to 1080p 60p or I,
especially if the screen in large (front projection), I showed it on a 130
Stewart Firehawk Cinerama 2.35:1 AR projecting 1080p from Optoma HD81 DLP
thru anamorphic lenses from Panamorph, breathtaking indeed, but I did not
tested it on my other RPTV, I might later in Jan.

It has DTS Master Audio and claims 18mbps on MPEG-2 on the label, the
transfer is very nice.

After playing the full movie I did some casual Mbps comparisons while the
speed rate was showing on the screen from the Sony player menu, it never
showed anything lower than 19 on those shorts, they were mostly on the 25
range and many times close to 33 Mbps.

I did not play the DTS Master Audio stream as such but as a DTS coax and it
sounded very clean to me, well balanced, deep and tight bass, I am playing
with 16 speakers though, I do not know how it would be on a normal 5.1 but
it should be much better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 version (which this disc
does not have).

Transporter 2 would probably follow the same pattern as above judging by the
trailer on the disc, I have it but I did not play it yet.

I played some of the Fifth element that came with the player and because
many shots are not daylight it might not be as striking as the Transporter
quality, but it was noticeable the effect of 24fps 1080p output on a 130"
screen.

The League of .. Gentleman title seems shot also 95% in the dark, I have it
but did not play it yet.

Superman Returns seemed well to me on the few minutes I played, but I have
to play it all the way to the credits with different settings to make a
comment.

I have other titles that I are waiting on the rack to be reviewed but I am
preparing for CES and they would have to wait until mid-Jan.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Gregg Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:31 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu_Ray Demo

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Can anyone recommend the best looking Blu-Ray DVD's they have seen? I want
to use them as demos. I received "Hitch" & "XXX" on a demo but they are not
very impressive to me. They are good but not slap you in face wow kind of
good.


Gregg Dixon


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Rodolfo,

Once again, your explanation is clear and authoritative.

I am much obliged to you...again....you are a very valuable asset to the
members of this list.

Best Regards,

Mike
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From: Rodolfo La Maestra
Date: 1/3/2007 1:37:27 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo

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Greg,

The warnings and MPAA signs on this disc looked as painted on the screen,
very clean indeed.

The faces of the close-ups of the main character and the inspector outdoors
were stunning regarding detail on the skin porous, skin sweat, glow of
medium tanned faces, the sky and water on the house of the transporter
looked very real and open, I wish I would have a house on that shore.

As I said, for a stunning demo "for most people" choose a disc that has
sunny outdoors rather than one that is mostly dark. I am saying that
because I also like to see how the blu-ray medium and the equipment handle
darkness and black, but I your purpose is different.

Your 1080i inputs would show two video processing steps that compromises the

quality of pure 24p, one is 2:3 pulldown to get to 60i from the 48 half
frames of 24p, and the next step is deinterlacing those 60i to obtain 60p
within the TV for display on the 1080x1920 SXRD panels.

In your setup the first step is done within the Blu-ray player, you choose
1080i60 output on the video button of the remote. The image was still
acceptable when I played it hat way and the scaler jumped it to 1080p, but
it was no comparison with true 24p, the details came out, on the skin, edges

of objects are clear, etc.

Even if you would have the newer Sony set, if the set does not accept 24fps
(but just 60fps on 1080p for example) you would end up with both steps of
video processing, the player doing both video processing steps in this case,

because the frame rate communication between both pieces is at 60fps, not at

24fps.

You will also have a mid-term solution if the TV accepts 24fps but only
displays at 60fps, in that case the two steps would be done by the TV. In
order to obtain the maximum benefit the set should display at multiples of
24 (like 48, 72, 120 Hz) so no 2:3 pulldown and deinterlacing takes place in

any piece of equipment.

So the answer to your question is: your 1080i input would not permit the
full capabilities of displaying what 24fps blu-ray can do to your eyes, but
that also depends on the relationship of screen size-distance of viewing; if

you are viewer that sits far away you might not even notice the benefit of
not doing the two step conversions above, and 'i" might look the same as "p"

to your eyes on such conditions.

I would still choose the blu-ray demo as sunny and outdoors as possible.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Gregg Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:17 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo

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[Gregg Dixon] Thanks Rodolfo, I wanted to use the disc to demo not only the
projector/monitor but the player as well. Will the benefits (improved
picture) still be seen even if the TV in this particular case only does
1080i? I am showing it on a Sony 60" SXRD. The problems I see with "Hitch"
are that because it is film it looks a little soft. The biggest improvement
that jumps out at me is how much better the menus and warning screens look.
The colors are much crisper and the FBI warning screen appears more
detailed. That's the most obvious improvement I saw right away.

With "XXX" it just does not seem to be a very high quality film. It does
not look bad but it does not look great either.

Thanks for the recommendations so far.


[Gregg Dixon]


Transporter seemed very striking to me, I played as 480i, 480p, 720p,
1080i60, 1080p60, and 1080p 24fps. The winner was hands down 1080p 24fps,
and that seemed consistent with the other viewing I did.

The shots of the Transporter are taken in sunny daylight and the car races
are heart pounding, all that helps for your purpose (if the audience does
not get offended by the ruff action of course).

Make sure you set the player as Direct 1080p 24p output if you have a set
that accepts that, it makes a difference compared to 1080p 60p or I,
especially if the screen in large (front projection), I showed it on a 130
Stewart Firehawk Cinerama 2.35:1 AR projecting 1080p from Optoma HD81 DLP
thru anamorphic lenses from Panamorph, breathtaking indeed, but I did not
tested it on my other RPTV, I might later in Jan.

It has DTS Master Audio and claims 18mbps on MPEG-2 on the label, the
transfer is very nice.

After playing the full movie I did some casual Mbps comparisons while the
speed rate was showing on the screen from the Sony player menu, it never
showed anything lower than 19 on those shorts, they were mostly on the 25
range and many times close to 33 Mbps.

I did not play the DTS Master Audio stream as such but as a DTS coax and it
sounded very clean to me, well balanced, deep and tight bass, I am playing
with 16 speakers though, I do not know how it would be on a normal 5.1 but
it should be much better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 version (which this disc

does not have).

Transporter 2 would probably follow the same pattern as above judging by the

trailer on the disc, I have it but I did not play it yet.

I played some of the Fifth element that came with the player and because
many shots are not daylight it might not be as striking as the Transporter
quality, but it was noticeable the effect of 24fps 1080p output on a 130"
screen.

The League of .. Gentleman title seems shot also 95% in the dark, I have it
but did not play it yet.

Superman Returns seemed well to me on the few minutes I played, but I have
to play it all the way to the credits with different settings to make a
comment.

I have other titles that I are waiting on the rack to be reviewed but I am
preparing for CES and they would have to wait until mid-Jan.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Gregg Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:31 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu_Ray Demo

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Can anyone recommend the best looking Blu-Ray DVD's they have seen? I want
to use them as demos. I received "Hitch" & "XXX" on a demo but they are not
very impressive to me. They are good but not slap you in face wow kind of
good.


Gregg Dixon


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Thanks Rodolfo, I appreciate the detailed explanation.


Gregg Dixon





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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:37 PM
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Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo

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Greg,

The warnings and MPAA signs on this disc looked as painted on the screen,
very clean indeed.

The faces of the close-ups of the main character and the inspector outdoors
were stunning regarding detail on the skin porous, skin sweat, glow of
medium tanned faces, the sky and water on the house of the transporter
looked very real and open, I wish I would have a house on that shore.

As I said, for a stunning demo "for most people" choose a disc that has
sunny outdoors rather than one that is mostly dark. I am saying that
because I also like to see how the blu-ray medium and the equipment handle
darkness and black, but I your purpose is different.

Your 1080i inputs would show two video processing steps that compromises the
quality of pure 24p, one is 2:3 pulldown to get to 60i from the 48 half
frames of 24p, and the next step is deinterlacing those 60i to obtain 60p
within the TV for display on the 1080x1920 SXRD panels.

In your setup the first step is done within the Blu-ray player, you choose
1080i60 output on the video button of the remote. The image was still
acceptable when I played it hat way and the scaler jumped it to 1080p, but
it was no comparison with true 24p, the details came out, on the skin, edges
of objects are clear, etc.

Even if you would have the newer Sony set, if the set does not accept 24fps
(but just 60fps on 1080p for example) you would end up with both steps of
video processing, the player doing both video processing steps in this case,
because the frame rate communication between both pieces is at 60fps, not at
24fps.

You will also have a mid-term solution if the TV accepts 24fps but only
displays at 60fps, in that case the two steps would be done by the TV. In
order to obtain the maximum benefit the set should display at multiples of
24 (like 48, 72, 120 Hz) so no 2:3 pulldown and deinterlacing takes place in
any piece of equipment.

So the answer to your question is: your 1080i input would not permit the
full capabilities of displaying what 24fps blu-ray can do to your eyes, but
that also depends on the relationship of screen size-distance of viewing; if
you are viewer that sits far away you might not even notice the benefit of
not doing the two step conversions above, and 'i" might look the same as "p"
to your eyes on such conditions.

I would still choose the blu-ray demo as sunny and outdoors as possible.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Gregg Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:17 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo

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[Gregg Dixon] Thanks Rodolfo, I wanted to use the disc to demo not only the
projector/monitor but the player as well. Will the benefits (improved
picture) still be seen even if the TV in this particular case only does
1080i? I am showing it on a Sony 60" SXRD. The problems I see with "Hitch"
are that because it is film it looks a little soft. The biggest improvement
that jumps out at me is how much better the menus and warning screens look.
The colors are much crisper and the FBI warning screen appears more
detailed. That's the most obvious improvement I saw right away.

With "XXX" it just does not seem to be a very high quality film. It does
not look bad but it does not look great either.

Thanks for the recommendations so far.


[Gregg Dixon]


Transporter seemed very striking to me, I played as 480i, 480p, 720p,
1080i60, 1080p60, and 1080p 24fps. The winner was hands down 1080p 24fps,
and that seemed consistent with the other viewing I did.

The shots of the Transporter are taken in sunny daylight and the car races
are heart pounding, all that helps for your purpose (if the audience does
not get offended by the ruff action of course).

Make sure you set the player as Direct 1080p 24p output if you have a set
that accepts that, it makes a difference compared to 1080p 60p or I,
especially if the screen in large (front projection), I showed it on a 130
Stewart Firehawk Cinerama 2.35:1 AR projecting 1080p from Optoma HD81 DLP
thru anamorphic lenses from Panamorph, breathtaking indeed, but I did not
tested it on my other RPTV, I might later in Jan.

It has DTS Master Audio and claims 18mbps on MPEG-2 on the label, the
transfer is very nice.

After playing the full movie I did some casual Mbps comparisons while the
speed rate was showing on the screen from the Sony player menu, it never
showed anything lower than 19 on those shorts, they were mostly on the 25
range and many times close to 33 Mbps.

I did not play the DTS Master Audio stream as such but as a DTS coax and it
sounded very clean to me, well balanced, deep and tight bass, I am playing
with 16 speakers though, I do not know how it would be on a normal 5.1 but
it should be much better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 version (which this disc
does not have).

Transporter 2 would probably follow the same pattern as above judging by the
trailer on the disc, I have it but I did not play it yet.

I played some of the Fifth element that came with the player and because
many shots are not daylight it might not be as striking as the Transporter
quality, but it was noticeable the effect of 24fps 1080p output on a 130"
screen.

The League of .. Gentleman title seems shot also 95% in the dark, I have it
but did not play it yet.

Superman Returns seemed well to me on the few minutes I played, but I have
to play it all the way to the credits with different settings to make a
comment.

I have other titles that I are waiting on the rack to be reviewed but I am
preparing for CES and they would have to wait until mid-Jan.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:31 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Blu_Ray Demo

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Can anyone recommend the best looking Blu-Ray DVD's they have seen? I want
to use them as demos. I received "Hitch" & "XXX" on a demo but they are not
very impressive to me. They are good but not slap you in face wow kind of
good.


Gregg Dixon


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Rodolfo - when can I get a display that is around 60" or larger,
supports 1080p/24 natively, and is $4000 or less (street price)? Are we
there yet? Can I expect to see something like this maybe in a year when
my warranty for my Elite expires? I'm still very happy with the
performance I'm getting now, but just keeping an eye towards the future
without getting too deep in the technical details these days.

Thanks,

Jason

Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Greg,
>
> The warnings and MPAA signs on this disc looked as painted on the screen,
> very clean indeed.
>
> The faces of the close-ups of the main character and the inspector outdoors
> were stunning regarding detail on the skin porous, skin sweat, glow of
> medium tanned faces, the sky and water on the house of the transporter
> looked very real and open, I wish I would have a house on that shore.
>
> As I said, for a stunning demo "for most people" choose a disc that has
> sunny outdoors rather than one that is mostly dark. I am saying that
> because I also like to see how the blu-ray medium and the equipment handle
> darkness and black, but I your purpose is different.
>
> Your 1080i inputs would show two video processing steps that compromises the
> quality of pure 24p, one is 2:3 pulldown to get to 60i from the 48 half
> frames of 24p, and the next step is deinterlacing those 60i to obtain 60p
> within the TV for display on the 1080x1920 SXRD panels.
>
> In your setup the first step is done within the Blu-ray player, you choose
> 1080i60 output on the video button of the remote. The image was still
> acceptable when I played it hat way and the scaler jumped it to 1080p, but
> it was no comparison with true 24p, the details came out, on the skin, edges
> of objects are clear, etc.
>
> Even if you would have the newer Sony set, if the set does not accept 24fps
> (but just 60fps on 1080p for example) you would end up with both steps of
> video processing, the player doing both video processing steps in this case,
> because the frame rate communication between both pieces is at 60fps, not at
> 24fps.
>
> You will also have a mid-term solution if the TV accepts 24fps but only
> displays at 60fps, in that case the two steps would be done by the TV. In
> order to obtain the maximum benefit the set should display at multiples of
> 24 (like 48, 72, 120 Hz) so no 2:3 pulldown and deinterlacing takes place in
> any piece of equipment.
>
> So the answer to your question is: your 1080i input would not permit the
> full capabilities of displaying what 24fps blu-ray can do to your eyes, but
> that also depends on the relationship of screen size-distance of viewing; if
> you are viewer that sits far away you might not even notice the benefit of
> not doing the two step conversions above, and 'i" might look the same as "p"
> to your eyes on such conditions.
>
> I would still choose the blu-ray demo as sunny and outdoors as possible.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Gregg Dixon
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:17 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> [Gregg Dixon] Thanks Rodolfo, I wanted to use the disc to demo not only the
> projector/monitor but the player as well. Will the benefits (improved
> picture) still be seen even if the TV in this particular case only does
> 1080i? I am showing it on a Sony 60" SXRD. The problems I see with "Hitch"
> are that because it is film it looks a little soft. The biggest improvement
> that jumps out at me is how much better the menus and warning screens look.
> The colors are much crisper and the FBI warning screen appears more
> detailed. That's the most obvious improvement I saw right away.
>
> With "XXX" it just does not seem to be a very high quality film. It does
> not look bad but it does not look great either.
>
> Thanks for the recommendations so far.
>
>
> [Gregg Dixon]
>
>
> Transporter seemed very striking to me, I played as 480i, 480p, 720p,
> 1080i60, 1080p60, and 1080p 24fps. The winner was hands down 1080p 24fps,
> and that seemed consistent with the other viewing I did.
>
> The shots of the Transporter are taken in sunny daylight and the car races
> are heart pounding, all that helps for your purpose (if the audience does
> not get offended by the ruff action of course).
>
> Make sure you set the player as Direct 1080p 24p output if you have a set
> that accepts that, it makes a difference compared to 1080p 60p or I,
> especially if the screen in large (front projection), I showed it on a 130
> Stewart Firehawk Cinerama 2.35:1 AR projecting 1080p from Optoma HD81 DLP
> thru anamorphic lenses from Panamorph, breathtaking indeed, but I did not
> tested it on my other RPTV, I might later in Jan.
>
> It has DTS Master Audio and claims 18mbps on MPEG-2 on the label, the
> transfer is very nice.
>
> After playing the full movie I did some casual Mbps comparisons while the
> speed rate was showing on the screen from the Sony player menu, it never
> showed anything lower than 19 on those shorts, they were mostly on the 25
> range and many times close to 33 Mbps.
>
> I did not play the DTS Master Audio stream as such but as a DTS coax and it
> sounded very clean to me, well balanced, deep and tight bass, I am playing
> with 16 speakers though, I do not know how it would be on a normal 5.1 but
> it should be much better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 version (which this disc
> does not have).
>
> Transporter 2 would probably follow the same pattern as above judging by the
> trailer on the disc, I have it but I did not play it yet.
>
> I played some of the Fifth element that came with the player and because
> many shots are not daylight it might not be as striking as the Transporter
> quality, but it was noticeable the effect of 24fps 1080p output on a 130"
> screen.
>
> The League of .. Gentleman title seems shot also 95% in the dark, I have it
> but did not play it yet.
>
> Superman Returns seemed well to me on the few minutes I played, but I have
> to play it all the way to the credits with different settings to make a
> comment.
>
> I have other titles that I are waiting on the rack to be reviewed but I am
> preparing for CES and they would have to wait until mid-Jan.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Gregg Dixon
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:31 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Blu_Ray Demo
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Can anyone recommend the best looking Blu-Ray DVD's they have seen? I want
> to use them as demos. I received "Hitch" & "XXX" on a demo but they are not
> very impressive to me. They are good but not slap you in face wow kind of
> good.
>
>
> Gregg Dixon
>
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Jason,

You might have meant accepting 24fps but being able to display at multiples
of 24fps (48, 72, 120 Hz), Pioneer Elite is already doing that on their 50"
plasmas (24 in, 72 out). 24fps native display would be too slow to show as
is, unless you like the style of Charles Chaplin's director.

I have to check my files, HP and Mitsu were gradually going that direction.
Robert from this list, the millionaire Dr that has the 100,000 DVD/lasersd
racks on his HT (just kidding Robert) has one HP RPTV, to what I recall that
set does not display multiples of 24, neither the Mitsu, but now with 1080p
movies at 24fps they will start fighting for their TV domains, as they did
for 1080p, and later inputs for 1080p.

With the newer 1080p projectors (Pearl, Optoma, etc) you might obtain a
screen much larger than the 60", accepting 1080p24fps, you just need another
1-2K for the screen, less if smaller, and they are here already for the $4+
to 6+K range.

We will see more of RPTV sets with these capabilities in 2007, and CES might
show some of those, I will be there for the press meetings starting this
Saturday, I have received some announcements but not the full specs, and
some of those manufacturers prohibit me to disclose the info until they
issue the official PR at CES, so if I see something that would fit I will
certainly will send you an email.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jason Burroughs
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:18 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Rodolfo - when can I get a display that is around 60" or larger,
supports 1080p/24 natively, and is $4000 or less (street price)? Are we
there yet? Can I expect to see something like this maybe in a year when
my warranty for my Elite expires? I'm still very happy with the
performance I'm getting now, but just keeping an eye towards the future
without getting too deep in the technical details these days.

Thanks,

Jason

Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Greg,
>
> The warnings and MPAA signs on this disc looked as painted on the screen,
> very clean indeed.
>
> The faces of the close-ups of the main character and the inspector
outdoors
> were stunning regarding detail on the skin porous, skin sweat, glow of
> medium tanned faces, the sky and water on the house of the transporter
> looked very real and open, I wish I would have a house on that shore.
>
> As I said, for a stunning demo "for most people" choose a disc that has
> sunny outdoors rather than one that is mostly dark. I am saying that
> because I also like to see how the blu-ray medium and the equipment handle
> darkness and black, but I your purpose is different.
>
> Your 1080i inputs would show two video processing steps that compromises
the
> quality of pure 24p, one is 2:3 pulldown to get to 60i from the 48 half
> frames of 24p, and the next step is deinterlacing those 60i to obtain 60p
> within the TV for display on the 1080x1920 SXRD panels.
>
> In your setup the first step is done within the Blu-ray player, you choose
> 1080i60 output on the video button of the remote. The image was still
> acceptable when I played it hat way and the scaler jumped it to 1080p, but
> it was no comparison with true 24p, the details came out, on the skin,
edges
> of objects are clear, etc.
>
> Even if you would have the newer Sony set, if the set does not accept
24fps
> (but just 60fps on 1080p for example) you would end up with both steps of
> video processing, the player doing both video processing steps in this
case,
> because the frame rate communication between both pieces is at 60fps, not
at
> 24fps.
>
> You will also have a mid-term solution if the TV accepts 24fps but only
> displays at 60fps, in that case the two steps would be done by the TV. In
> order to obtain the maximum benefit the set should display at multiples of
> 24 (like 48, 72, 120 Hz) so no 2:3 pulldown and deinterlacing takes place
in
> any piece of equipment.
>
> So the answer to your question is: your 1080i input would not permit the
> full capabilities of displaying what 24fps blu-ray can do to your eyes,
but
> that also depends on the relationship of screen size-distance of viewing;
if
> you are viewer that sits far away you might not even notice the benefit of
> not doing the two step conversions above, and 'i" might look the same as
"p"
> to your eyes on such conditions.
>
> I would still choose the blu-ray demo as sunny and outdoors as possible.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Gregg Dixon
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:17 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> [Gregg Dixon] Thanks Rodolfo, I wanted to use the disc to demo not only
the
> projector/monitor but the player as well. Will the benefits (improved
> picture) still be seen even if the TV in this particular case only does
> 1080i? I am showing it on a Sony 60" SXRD. The problems I see with
"Hitch"
> are that because it is film it looks a little soft. The biggest
improvement
> that jumps out at me is how much better the menus and warning screens
look.
> The colors are much crisper and the FBI warning screen appears more
> detailed. That's the most obvious improvement I saw right away.
>
> With "XXX" it just does not seem to be a very high quality film. It does
> not look bad but it does not look great either.
>
> Thanks for the recommendations so far.
>
>
> [Gregg Dixon]
>
>
> Transporter seemed very striking to me, I played as 480i, 480p, 720p,
> 1080i60, 1080p60, and 1080p 24fps. The winner was hands down 1080p 24fps,
> and that seemed consistent with the other viewing I did.
>
> The shots of the Transporter are taken in sunny daylight and the car races
> are heart pounding, all that helps for your purpose (if the audience does
> not get offended by the ruff action of course).
>
> Make sure you set the player as Direct 1080p 24p output if you have a set
> that accepts that, it makes a difference compared to 1080p 60p or I,
> especially if the screen in large (front projection), I showed it on a 130
> Stewart Firehawk Cinerama 2.35:1 AR projecting 1080p from Optoma HD81 DLP
> thru anamorphic lenses from Panamorph, breathtaking indeed, but I did not
> tested it on my other RPTV, I might later in Jan.
>
> It has DTS Master Audio and claims 18mbps on MPEG-2 on the label, the
> transfer is very nice.
>
> After playing the full movie I did some casual Mbps comparisons while the
> speed rate was showing on the screen from the Sony player menu, it never
> showed anything lower than 19 on those shorts, they were mostly on the 25
> range and many times close to 33 Mbps.
>
> I did not play the DTS Master Audio stream as such but as a DTS coax and
it
> sounded very clean to me, well balanced, deep and tight bass, I am playing
> with 16 speakers though, I do not know how it would be on a normal 5.1 but
> it should be much better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 version (which this
disc
> does not have).
>
> Transporter 2 would probably follow the same pattern as above judging by
the
> trailer on the disc, I have it but I did not play it yet.
>
> I played some of the Fifth element that came with the player and because
> many shots are not daylight it might not be as striking as the Transporter
> quality, but it was noticeable the effect of 24fps 1080p output on a 130"
> screen.
>
> The League of .. Gentleman title seems shot also 95% in the dark, I have
it
> but did not play it yet.
>
> Superman Returns seemed well to me on the few minutes I played, but I have
> to play it all the way to the credits with different settings to make a
> comment.
>
> I have other titles that I are waiting on the rack to be reviewed but I am
> preparing for CES and they would have to wait until mid-Jan.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Gregg Dixon
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:31 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Blu_Ray Demo
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Can anyone recommend the best looking Blu-Ray DVD's they have seen? I
want
> to use them as demos. I received "Hitch" & "XXX" on a demo but they are
not
> very impressive to me. They are good but not slap you in face wow kind of
> good.
>
>
> Gregg Dixon
>
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Sounds great. I demo'd a single chip front projector in my home last
year and would definitely consider a front projector next time. I watch
almost all content at night, so it would likely be a good fit for me.

I did indeed mean 'a multiple of 24Hz' - thanks for pointing that out.
I'll look forward to a complete overhaul of my home theater in the next
year or two, assuming we are over the hump, with respect to HDMI
versions, decoding of the various new HD audio formats, and they haven't
turned on the image constraint token (or if they have, that it will have
been hacked).

I'd be interested in anyone's educated guess as to when I can buy a
combo HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player that uses HDMI 1.3 to send the pure DTS and
Dolby master (i forget the two names) soundtracks to be decoded by a
receiver that handle either one.

Jason

Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Jason,
>
> You might have meant accepting 24fps but being able to display at multiples
> of 24fps (48, 72, 120 Hz), Pioneer Elite is already doing that on their 50"
> plasmas (24 in, 72 out). 24fps native display would be too slow to show as
> is, unless you like the style of Charles Chaplin's director.
>
> I have to check my files, HP and Mitsu were gradually going that direction.
> Robert from this list, the millionaire Dr that has the 100,000 DVD/lasersd
> racks on his HT (just kidding Robert) has one HP RPTV, to what I recall that
> set does not display multiples of 24, neither the Mitsu, but now with 1080p
> movies at 24fps they will start fighting for their TV domains, as they did
> for 1080p, and later inputs for 1080p.
>
> With the newer 1080p projectors (Pearl, Optoma, etc) you might obtain a
> screen much larger than the 60", accepting 1080p24fps, you just need another
> 1-2K for the screen, less if smaller, and they are here already for the $4+
> to 6+K range.
>
> We will see more of RPTV sets with these capabilities in 2007, and CES might
> show some of those, I will be there for the press meetings starting this
> Saturday, I have received some announcements but not the full specs, and
> some of those manufacturers prohibit me to disclose the info until they
> issue the official PR at CES, so if I see something that would fit I will
> certainly will send you an email.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Jason Burroughs
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:18 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Rodolfo - when can I get a display that is around 60" or larger,
> supports 1080p/24 natively, and is $4000 or less (street price)? Are we
> there yet? Can I expect to see something like this maybe in a year when
> my warranty for my Elite expires? I'm still very happy with the
> performance I'm getting now, but just keeping an eye towards the future
> without getting too deep in the technical details these days.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Greg,
>>
>> The warnings and MPAA signs on this disc looked as painted on the screen,
>> very clean indeed.
>>
>> The faces of the close-ups of the main character and the inspector
>>
> outdoors
>
>> were stunning regarding detail on the skin porous, skin sweat, glow of
>> medium tanned faces, the sky and water on the house of the transporter
>> looked very real and open, I wish I would have a house on that shore.
>>
>> As I said, for a stunning demo "for most people" choose a disc that has
>> sunny outdoors rather than one that is mostly dark. I am saying that
>> because I also like to see how the blu-ray medium and the equipment handle
>> darkness and black, but I your purpose is different.
>>
>> Your 1080i inputs would show two video processing steps that compromises
>>
> the
>
>> quality of pure 24p, one is 2:3 pulldown to get to 60i from the 48 half
>> frames of 24p, and the next step is deinterlacing those 60i to obtain 60p
>> within the TV for display on the 1080x1920 SXRD panels.
>>
>> In your setup the first step is done within the Blu-ray player, you choose
>> 1080i60 output on the video button of the remote. The image was still
>> acceptable when I played it hat way and the scaler jumped it to 1080p, but
>> it was no comparison with true 24p, the details came out, on the skin,
>>
> edges
>
>> of objects are clear, etc.
>>
>> Even if you would have the newer Sony set, if the set does not accept
>>
> 24fps
>
>> (but just 60fps on 1080p for example) you would end up with both steps of
>> video processing, the player doing both video processing steps in this
>>
> case,
>
>> because the frame rate communication between both pieces is at 60fps, not
>>
> at
>
>> 24fps.
>>
>> You will also have a mid-term solution if the TV accepts 24fps but only
>> displays at 60fps, in that case the two steps would be done by the TV. In
>> order to obtain the maximum benefit the set should display at multiples of
>> 24 (like 48, 72, 120 Hz) so no 2:3 pulldown and deinterlacing takes place
>>
> in
>
>> any piece of equipment.
>>
>> So the answer to your question is: your 1080i input would not permit the
>> full capabilities of displaying what 24fps blu-ray can do to your eyes,
>>
> but
>
>> that also depends on the relationship of screen size-distance of viewing;
>>
> if
>
>> you are viewer that sits far away you might not even notice the benefit of
>> not doing the two step conversions above, and 'i" might look the same as
>>
> "p"
>
>> to your eyes on such conditions.
>>
>> I would still choose the blu-ray demo as sunny and outdoors as possible.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Gregg Dixon
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:17 PM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Blu_Ray Demo
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> [Gregg Dixon] Thanks Rodolfo, I wanted to use the disc to demo not only
>>
> the
>
>> projector/monitor but the player as well. Will the benefits (improved
>> picture) still be seen even if the TV in this particular case only does
>> 1080i? I am showing it on a Sony 60" SXRD. The problems I see with
>>
> "Hitch"
>
>> are that because it is film it looks a little soft. The biggest
>>
> improvement
>
>> that jumps out at me is how much better the menus and warning screens
>>
> look.
>
>> The colors are much crisper and the FBI warning screen appears more
>> detailed. That's the most obvious improvement I saw right away.
>>
>> With "XXX" it just does not seem to be a very high quality film. It does
>> not look bad but it does not look great either.
>>
>> Thanks for the recommendations so far.
>>
>>
>> [Gregg Dixon]
>>
>>
>> Transporter seemed very striking to me, I played as 480i, 480p, 720p,
>> 1080i60, 1080p60, and 1080p 24fps. The winner was hands down 1080p 24fps,
>> and that seemed consistent with the other viewing I did.
>>
>> The shots of the Transporter are taken in sunny daylight and the car races
>> are heart pounding, all that helps for your purpose (if the audience does
>> not get offended by the ruff action of course).
>>
>> Make sure you set the player as Direct 1080p 24p output if you have a set
>> that accepts that, it makes a difference compared to 1080p 60p or I,
>> especially if the screen in large (front projection), I showed it on a 130
>> Stewart Firehawk Cinerama 2.35:1 AR projecting 1080p from Optoma HD81 DLP
>> thru anamorphic lenses from Panamorph, breathtaking indeed, but I did not
>> tested it on my other RPTV, I might later in Jan.
>>
>> It has DTS Master Audio and claims 18mbps on MPEG-2 on the label, the
>> transfer is very nice.
>>
>> After playing the full movie I did some casual Mbps comparisons while the
>> speed rate was showing on the screen from the Sony player menu, it never
>> showed anything lower than 19 on those shorts, they were mostly on the 25
>> range and many times close to 33 Mbps.
>>
>> I did not play the DTS Master Audio stream as such but as a DTS coax and
>>
> it
>
>> sounded very clean to me, well balanced, deep and tight bass, I am playing
>> with 16 speakers though, I do not know how it would be on a normal 5.1 but
>> it should be much better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 version (which this
>>
> disc
>
>> does not have).
>>
>> Transporter 2 would probably follow the same pattern as above judging by
>>
> the
>
>> trailer on the disc, I have it but I did not play it yet.
>>
>> I played some of the Fifth element that came with the player and because
>> many shots are not daylight it might not be as striking as the Transporter
>> quality, but it was noticeable the effect of 24fps 1080p output on a 130"
>> screen.
>>
>> The League of .. Gentleman title seems shot also 95% in the dark, I have
>>
> it
>
>> but did not play it yet.
>>
>> Superman Returns seemed well to me on the few minutes I played, but I have
>> to play it all the way to the credits with different settings to make a
>> comment.
>>
>> I have other titles that I are waiting on the rack to be reviewed but I am
>> preparing for CES and they would have to wait until mid-Jan.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>
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At 05:16 PM 1/3/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>I have to check my files, HP and Mitsu were gradually going that direction.
>Robert from this list, the millionaire Dr that has the 100,000 DVD/lasersd
>racks on his HT (just kidding Robert) has one HP RPTV, to what I recall that
>set does not display multiples of 24, neither the Mitsu, but now with 1080p
>movies at 24fps they will start fighting for their TV domains, as they did
>for 1080p, and later inputs for 1080p.

Rodolfo,

You made my day! <g>

Yes, my HP displays material at 1080p/24. If I recall correctly,
24fps is fine for DLP (which my HP is) but FP (like the LCoS Sony)
likes 48fps and Plasma likes 72fps in order to minimize any
indication "Judder" for each of these technologies (at least
according to Joe Kane.) And, if I recall, if you have electronics
that do the 2:3 conversion adequately the average person will not
even notice the difference.


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Robert,

I cannot be. 24fps is an unacceptable display rate for any technology due
to flicker, is a human response of the eye to the low speed, it has to be
raised to at least 48 (as the movie theaters do with their film projectors).

Your HP might receive 24fps but most probably display it as 60fps, not
48fps. I have to go deep into the specs of this unit but I cannot recall
any RPTV displaying at 48. If it displays at 60 your TV is doing 2:3 and
deinterlace to been able to show the 24 it receives, so is doing the two
unnecessary video processing steps for film.

The Elite plasma is 72 as you said (and I did as well).

The FPs might be the only displays doing 48 to the best of my memory, I have
one, but I am not so sure as you are that the SXRDs FPs are doing 48 of the
24 they receive, I believe they do 60 but I have to check the specs as well,
if you have them handy please email.

Rodolfo
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At 05:16 PM 1/3/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>I have to check my files, HP and Mitsu were gradually going that direction.
>Robert from this list, the millionaire Dr that has the 100,000 DVD/lasersd
>racks on his HT (just kidding Robert) has one HP RPTV, to what I recall
that
>set does not display multiples of 24, neither the Mitsu, but now with 1080p
>movies at 24fps they will start fighting for their TV domains, as they did
>for 1080p, and later inputs for 1080p.

Rodolfo,

You made my day! <g>

Yes, my HP displays material at 1080p/24. If I recall correctly,
24fps is fine for DLP (which my HP is) but FP (like the LCoS Sony)
likes 48fps and Plasma likes 72fps in order to minimize any
indication "Judder" for each of these technologies (at least
according to Joe Kane.) And, if I recall, if you have electronics
that do the 2:3 conversion adequately the average person will not
even notice the difference.


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Rodolfo,
Why do you think HP is phasing out DLP?
Robert

At 11:05 AM 1/3/2007, you wrote:
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>At 03:18 PM 1/3/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>>Rodolfo - when can I get a display that is around 60" or larger,
>>supports 1080p/24 natively, and is $4000 or less (street price)? Are we
>>there yet? Can I expect to see something like this maybe in a year when
>>my warranty for my Elite expires? I'm still very happy with the
>>performance I'm getting now, but just keeping an eye towards the future
>>without getting too deep in the technical details these days.
>
>The industry actually reached that point a year and a half ago with
>the HP DLP Microdisplays. When I purchased my 58" MD5880n for about
>$3000 (street) in late 2005 it was one of three sets (A Brillian RPM
>and the Sony "Ruby" FP being the other two) which accepted native
>1080p input (a requirement for me). And my HP also accepts
>1080p/24. This past year HP dropped the price of their 65" model
>(MD6580n) to around $3000 (street) with the same
>specifications. Finally, at CEDIA a lot of other manufacturers
>introduced sets with 1080p capabilities and I believe a number of
>them support 24fps. The crown jewel, in my opinion, the Sony
>VPL-VW50 - a front projection LCoS unit - blew the socks off the
>pricing structure with a list price of under $5000 and it
>specializes in 1080p/24 display of the finest quality. In other
>words, the "future" is already here and has been for some time. As
>a side note, I notice that HP has decided to concentrate on Plasma
>and LCD models from now on (to go along with their home automation
>and wall hanging video display initiatives) so they are not
>introducing any new DLP models (even though they hold several
>patents in aspects of DLP displays). I would venture to guess that
>they are closing out their Microdisplay line at this
>point. However, you should have a large number of 1080p/24 displays
>from a wide variety of manufacturers at your disposal well within
>your price range (either RPM or FP) or even well below the $4000
>price point when you are ready to buy.
>
>
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At 02:31 AM 1/4/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>cannot be. 24fps is an unacceptable display rate for any technology due
>to flicker, is a human response of the eye to the low speed, it has to be
>raised to at least 48 (as the movie theaters do with their film projectors).
>
>Your HP might receive 24fps but most probably display it as 60fps, not
>48fps. I have to go deep into the specs of this unit but I cannot recall
>any RPTV displaying at 48. If it displays at 60 your TV is doing 2:3 and
>deinterlace to been able to show the 24 it receives, so is doing the two
>unnecessary video processing steps for film.
>
>The Elite plasma is 72 as you said (and I did as well).

Rodolfo,

The more I think about it, the more I realize that you must be
correct. 24fps would make it look almost like silent movies (which
were, I believe 18fps - thus the more noticeable flickering). The HP
has to be doing the 2:3. Which brings up another question. Assuming
my DVDO VP-50 video processor does a better job on 2:3 than the HP
wouldn't it be advisable to feed 1080p/24 into the VP-50 and let it
send out 1080p/60 to the HP which would be the native mode of the
display? I seem to recall that DVDO is in the process of handling
some 24fps issues right now but that an upcoming firmware release
will set this all straight.

In any event, as long as one has equipment that does a good job with
2:3 then a lot of this is really mostly a moot point for average
viewing. I would suppose that this all becomes much more critical
when one goes to a much larger display where any imperfections would
be magnified.

The 72fps spec came from a Pioneer rep at CEDIA who quoted Joe Kane's
opinion that 72fps was the best rate for plasma technology. I
thought a Stewart Screen rep showing their new screen using a Sony
"Pearl" mentioned the 48fps for the Sony, but the Sony reps at the
introductory press conference for that projector mentioned "multiples
of 24" so that would imply even higher rates than 48.

In any event, I'm very happy with what I now have with the HP and,
barring any real startling announcements at CES (like from JVC) I'm
strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring. I'm just trying to
sort out the HDMI 1.3 video thing to see if this TruColor, etc.
situation will translate into something that would make it prudent to
see if FPs start offering HDMI 1.3 as part of their specs. I'd
appreciate your sharing anything you learn in this regard. Up until
now, I've been of the position that if 1080p is the current holy
grail of viewing then HDMI in any flavor is fine for that. 1.3 Video
specs seemed like light years (no pun intended) away. Thoughts?


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At 04:30 AM 1/4/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>Rodolfo,
> Why do you think HP is phasing out DLP?
>Robert

I think you meant this question for me, Robert.

This came from an HP representative at CEDIA in 2006 when I mentioned
to him that I didn't see any 2007 HP Microdisplays being shown on the
floor. He told me that HP's strategy was to concentrate on Plasmas
and LCDs rather than DLPs in the future since they are committed to
the "electronic household" philosophy which emphasizes displays that
can be wall mounted. He also said that in 2005 HP had the 1080p
input display industry practically to itself (except for a Brillian
RPM and a Sony FP) but by CEDIA 2006 it was obvious that almost all
the major manufacturers had upgraded their latest floor standing
1080p displays to allow for 1080p native input capability.

In a related matter I asked him if this would mean that those of us
who already owned HP Microdisplays were being hung out to dry as far
as support is concerned. He pointed out (correctly) that the parts
that make up the heart of the HP Microdisplays (light engine, etc.)
are common to a lot of other DLP units out there, including FPs so
that just because the HP line may be discontinued (or not expanded
into 2007) that doesn't mean that part availability would be an issue
for a decade or so. It makes sense to me and I hope never to have to
find out (but I have a 3 year warranty just in case).


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> strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring.

I can't take it anymore!!! And I can't think of a better place to state it!

Widescreen review just did that projector and it can't pass a solid 1920
burst! It does not have good dynmic range without the auto iris engaged.
While these issues are stated the final conclusion was get it, it's great.

Now really, why not spend a little more and get a projector that can
really do the pixels and have at least film quality dynamic range and
blacks without the tricks that will degrade imaging?

You won't get that from a mag protecting their free flow of review
product but you will get it from me!

If you have an issue with DLP rainbows then go 3 chip which also
provides some more light output to play with.

As for the Sony and also the Panasonic PTAE1000U these are fine
projectors and worthy of using if you have to or want to sit very close
as pixels are very difficult to see.

Everything has it's application but if we stick to imaging science and
2.5-3.2 screen height viewing distance a 1920X1080 DLP imaging chip
seems to rule at this time! Wobulated does not count but it still does a
better job at the pixel level than the rest.

There... I feel better!



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Dr Robert A Fowkes wrote:
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>
> At 02:31 AM 1/4/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> cannot be. 24fps is an unacceptable display rate for any technology due
>> to flicker, is a human response of the eye to the low speed, it has to be
>> raised to at least 48 (as the movie theaters do with their film
>> projectors).
>>
>> Your HP might receive 24fps but most probably display it as 60fps, not
>> 48fps. I have to go deep into the specs of this unit but I cannot recall
>> any RPTV displaying at 48. If it displays at 60 your TV is doing 2:3 and
>> deinterlace to been able to show the 24 it receives, so is doing the two
>> unnecessary video processing steps for film.
>>
>> The Elite plasma is 72 as you said (and I did as well).
>
>
> Rodolfo,
>
> The more I think about it, the more I realize that you must be correct.
> 24fps would make it look almost like silent movies (which were, I
> believe 18fps - thus the more noticeable flickering). The HP has to be
> doing the 2:3. Which brings up another question. Assuming my DVDO
> VP-50 video processor does a better job on 2:3 than the HP wouldn't it
> be advisable to feed 1080p/24 into the VP-50 and let it send out
> 1080p/60 to the HP which would be the native mode of the display? I
> seem to recall that DVDO is in the process of handling some 24fps issues
> right now but that an upcoming firmware release will set this all straight.
>
> In any event, as long as one has equipment that does a good job with 2:3
> then a lot of this is really mostly a moot point for average viewing. I
> would suppose that this all becomes much more critical when one goes to
> a much larger display where any imperfections would be magnified.
>
> The 72fps spec came from a Pioneer rep at CEDIA who quoted Joe Kane's
> opinion that 72fps was the best rate for plasma technology. I thought a
> Stewart Screen rep showing their new screen using a Sony "Pearl"
> mentioned the 48fps for the Sony, but the Sony reps at the introductory
> press conference for that projector mentioned "multiples of 24" so that
> would imply even higher rates than 48.
>
> In any event, I'm very happy with what I now have with the HP and,
> barring any real startling announcements at CES (like from JVC) I'm
> strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring. I'm just trying to
> sort out the HDMI 1.3 video thing to see if this TruColor, etc.
> situation will translate into something that would make it prudent to
> see if FPs start offering HDMI 1.3 as part of their specs. I'd
> appreciate your sharing anything you learn in this regard. Up until
> now, I've been of the position that if 1080p is the current holy grail
> of viewing then HDMI in any flavor is fine for that. 1.3 Video specs
> seemed like light years (no pun intended) away. Thoughts?
>
>
> -- RAF
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For my viewing found the sony vp 50 on the dim side . Spent a weekend with Optima 81 & bluray in a home theatre dedicated to imaging science and was much happier also liked the action model 3 1080p . also will trying out runco 110 ultra

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> strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring.

I can't take it anymore!!! And I can't think of a better place to state it!

Widescreen review just did that projector and it can't pass a solid 1920
burst! It does not have good dynmic range without the auto iris engaged.
While these issues are stated the final conclusion was get it, it's great.

Now really, why not spend a little more and get a projector that can
really do the pixels and have at least film quality dynamic range and
blacks without the tricks that will degrade imaging?

You won't get that from a mag protecting their free flow of review
product but you will get it from me!

If you have an issue with DLP rainbows then go 3 chip which also
provides some more light output to play with.

As for the Sony and also the Panasonic PTAE1000U these are fine
projectors and worthy of using if you have to or want to sit very close
as pixels are very difficult to see.

Everything has it's application but if we stick to imaging science and
2.5-3.2 screen height viewing distance a 1920X1080 DLP imaging chip
seems to rule at this time! Wobulated does not count but it still does a
better job at the pixel level than the rest.

There... I feel better!



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>
> At 02:31 AM 1/4/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> cannot be. 24fps is an unacceptable display rate for any technology due
>> to flicker, is a human response of the eye to the low speed, it has to be
>> raised to at least 48 (as the movie theaters do with their film
>> projectors).
>>
>> Your HP might receive 24fps but most probably display it as 60fps, not
>> 48fps. I have to go deep into the specs of this unit but I cannot recall
>> any RPTV displaying at 48. If it displays at 60 your TV is doing 2:3 and
>> deinterlace to been able to show the 24 it receives, so is doing the two
>> unnecessary video processing steps for film.
>>
>> The Elite plasma is 72 as you said (and I did as well).
>
>
> Rodolfo,
>
> The more I think about it, the more I realize that you must be correct.
> 24fps would make it look almost like silent movies (which were, I
> believe 18fps - thus the more noticeable flickering). The HP has to be
> doing the 2:3. Which brings up another question. Assuming my DVDO
> VP-50 video processor does a better job on 2:3 than the HP wouldn't it
> be advisable to feed 1080p/24 into the VP-50 and let it send out
> 1080p/60 to the HP which would be the native mode of the display? I
> seem to recall that DVDO is in the process of handling some 24fps issues
> right now but that an upcoming firmware release will set this all straight.
>
> In any event, as long as one has equipment that does a good job with 2:3
> then a lot of this is really mostly a moot point for average viewing. I
> would suppose that this all becomes much more critical when one goes to
> a much larger display where any imperfections would be magnified.
>
> The 72fps spec came from a Pioneer rep at CEDIA who quoted Joe Kane's
> opinion that 72fps was the best rate for plasma technology. I thought a
> Stewart Screen rep showing their new screen using a Sony "Pearl"
> mentioned the 48fps for the Sony, but the Sony reps at the introductory
> press conference for that projector mentioned "multiples of 24" so that
> would imply even higher rates than 48.
>
> In any event, I'm very happy with what I now have with the HP and,
> barring any real startling announcements at CES (like from JVC) I'm
> strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring. I'm just trying to
> sort out the HDMI 1.3 video thing to see if this TruColor, etc.
> situation will translate into something that would make it prudent to
> see if FPs start offering HDMI 1.3 as part of their specs. I'd
> appreciate your sharing anything you learn in this regard. Up until
> now, I've been of the position that if 1080p is the current holy grail
> of viewing then HDMI in any flavor is fine for that. 1.3 Video specs
> seemed like light years (no pun intended) away. Thoughts?
>
>
> -- RAF
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At 04:08 PM 1/4/2007 -0500, you wrote:
> > strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring.
>
>I can't take it anymore!!! And I can't think of a better place to state it!
>
>Widescreen review just did that projector and it can't pass a solid 1920
>burst! It does not have good dynmic range without the auto iris engaged.
>While these issues are stated the final conclusion was get it, it's great.
>
>Now really, why not spend a little more and get a projector that can
>really do the pixels and have at least film quality dynamic range and
>blacks without the tricks that will degrade imaging?
>
>You won't get that from a mag protecting their free flow of review
>product but you will get it from me!


Since we seem to be in a "venting" mood....

Well, while I'm certainly not a fan of Gary Reber's magazine in
general since I think that is only a shell of its former self (they
can't even get the audio information on HD titles right!) I can't
agree with your overall assessment of this review. With all due
respect, you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to
mine. When I saw the VPL-VW50 at CEDIA I took considerable time over
4 days to compare its features and performance to everything else out
there on the floor and based on what I saw I still consider it a
remarkable machine for the money. Quite frankly, most of the other
stuff is obscenely overpriced and unless you are showing movies to an
audience of 50 or more people I don't really understand why an
average HT projector has to be in the five figure range any
more. Everything here is based on my personal observations and not
test bench measurements.

From where I stood at CEDIA the "Pearl" produced a fine image,
especially when you factor in what it costs compared to a lot of
other stuff out there. I went to a "shootout" between a Sony with
auto iris and the upcoming JVC LCoS projector (run my JVC) and they
skewed the results by turning the auto iris on the Sony off. Of
course the dynamic range of the JVC looked better, but when you turn
on the auto iris on, I actually preferred the dynamic range of the
Sony. Since I wouldn't consider turning the auto iris off why would
I ever be concerned about not having good dynamic range? You call it
a "trick." I choose to call it a technique, just as wobulation is on
my HP Microdisplay. There are trade offs with every process. You
seem to imply that these processes degrade imaging to the point of it
not being watchable. I strongly disagree with that. Yes, you can
cite test patterns and other benchmarks that might "prove" (at least
in your eyes) that the processed image is not quite as good but I
still contend that it's the final overall effect that counts. And to
my eyes the compromises (if that's what they are) are perfectly
acceptable for my viewing of movies.

Another person mentioned that the VPL-VP50 is a little "dim" compared
to other projectors. This is a relative term and a bit deceiving to
the casual reader. As far as I can see, once again we are talking
about test results versus the reality of what's required for normal,
110" (or so) FP screening. In my opinion the VPL-VW50 has as much
brightness as needed for any conceivable HT application and if other
units provide even more brightness my response is, "So what?" We are
not talking about lower brightness levels of earlier units but a
level of performance in this area that is well beyond minimal
requirements with a lot of latitude.

To me the important thing is how well a unit performs for the user
and on that score the VPL-VP50 does an excellent job. While test
bench measurements can be informative they can also, at times,
perform a disservice by trying to tell you that you can't possibly be
seeing what you are seeing. After all, numbers and charts don't
lie! Fortunately, movies are not about numbers and charts, but about
the cinematic experience and I'm certainly not going to spoil my
viewing because something comes in at a "95" instead of a "97." When
watching movies at home reaches this level of performance then the
law of diminishing returns applies. The added cost to notch the
specs up a bit (usually something that is marginally perceptive if at
all) just doesn't make sense to me. If you had pointed out a
projector that does significantly better than the VPL-VW50 for a
lower price point (or at least in the ballpark) then I would be
interested. That's one reason I'm waiting on the JVC unit to see
what the competition brings to the table. But to trash the Pearl to
the extent that you did here is really uncalled for based on the
image up on the screen.

Like I said earlier, nobody is forcing a VPL-VW50 on you and if it
bothers you that much then look elsewhere. But statements like the
one you made don't really serve any constructive purpose when the
implication is that the final image of the Sony is crap.

It clearly isn't.


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At 12:22 PM 1/5/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>Curiuosly, to the TIPS group, did I TRASH the Sony?

By implication with the tone of your message. If I misread your
intention, I apologize. It's just that it came off as a "you can do
much better than the VPL-VW50" discussion to me.


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> For my viewing found the sony vp 50 on the dim side .

It is and so is the Panasonic. These projectors perform better on
smaller screens, about 105" or less.

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> For my viewing found the sony vp 50 on the dim side . Spent a weekend with Optima 81 & bluray in a home theatre dedicated to imaging science and was much happier also liked the action model 3 1080p . also will trying out runco 110 ultra
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> ----- Original Message ----
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> > strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring.
>
> I can't take it anymore!!! And I can't think of a better place to state it!
>
> Widescreen review just did that projector and it can't pass a solid 1920
> burst! It does not have good dynmic range without the auto iris engaged.
> While these issues are stated the final conclusion was get it, it's great.
>
> Now really, why not spend a little more and get a projector that can
> really do the pixels and have at least film quality dynamic range and
> blacks without the tricks that will degrade imaging?
>
> You won't get that from a mag protecting their free flow of review
> product but you will get it from me!
>
> If you have an issue with DLP rainbows then go 3 chip which also
> provides some more light output to play with.
>
> As for the Sony and also the Panasonic PTAE1000U these are fine
> projectors and worthy of using if you have to or want to sit very close
> as pixels are very difficult to see.
>
> Everything has it's application but if we stick to imaging science and
> 2.5-3.2 screen height viewing distance a 1920X1080 DLP imaging chip
> seems to rule at this time! Wobulated does not count but it still does a
> better job at the pixel level than the rest.
>
> There... I feel better!
>
>
>
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> Dr Robert A Fowkes wrote:
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>>At 02:31 AM 1/4/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>cannot be. 24fps is an unacceptable display rate for any technology due
>>>to flicker, is a human response of the eye to the low speed, it has to be
>>>raised to at least 48 (as the movie theaters do with their film
>>>projectors).
>>>
>>>Your HP might receive 24fps but most probably display it as 60fps, not
>>>48fps. I have to go deep into the specs of this unit but I cannot recall
>>>any RPTV displaying at 48. If it displays at 60 your TV is doing 2:3 and
>>>deinterlace to been able to show the 24 it receives, so is doing the two
>>>unnecessary video processing steps for film.
>>>
>>>The Elite plasma is 72 as you said (and I did as well).
>>
>>
>>Rodolfo,
>>
>>The more I think about it, the more I realize that you must be correct.
>>24fps would make it look almost like silent movies (which were, I
>>believe 18fps - thus the more noticeable flickering). The HP has to be
>>doing the 2:3. Which brings up another question. Assuming my DVDO
>>VP-50 video processor does a better job on 2:3 than the HP wouldn't it
>>be advisable to feed 1080p/24 into the VP-50 and let it send out
>>1080p/60 to the HP which would be the native mode of the display? I
>>seem to recall that DVDO is in the process of handling some 24fps issues
>>right now but that an upcoming firmware release will set this all straight.
>>
>>In any event, as long as one has equipment that does a good job with 2:3
>>then a lot of this is really mostly a moot point for average viewing. I
>>would suppose that this all becomes much more critical when one goes to
>>a much larger display where any imperfections would be magnified.
>>
>>The 72fps spec came from a Pioneer rep at CEDIA who quoted Joe Kane's
>>opinion that 72fps was the best rate for plasma technology. I thought a
>>Stewart Screen rep showing their new screen using a Sony "Pearl"
>>mentioned the 48fps for the Sony, but the Sony reps at the introductory
>>press conference for that projector mentioned "multiples of 24" so that
>>would imply even higher rates than 48.
>>
>>In any event, I'm very happy with what I now have with the HP and,
>>barring any real startling announcements at CES (like from JVC) I'm
>>strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring. I'm just trying to
>>sort out the HDMI 1.3 video thing to see if this TruColor, etc.
>>situation will translate into something that would make it prudent to
>>see if FPs start offering HDMI 1.3 as part of their specs. I'd
>>appreciate your sharing anything you learn in this regard. Up until
>>now, I've been of the position that if 1080p is the current holy grail
>>of viewing then HDMI in any flavor is fine for that. 1.3 Video specs
>>seemed like light years (no pun intended) away. Thoughts?
>>
>>
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> bothers you that much then look elsewhere. But statements like the one
> you made don't really serve any constructive purpose when the
> implication is that the final image of the Sony is crap.

Thank you for your reply and I will answer it.

But...

Curiuosly, to the TIPS group, did I TRASH the Sony?

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Dr Robert A Fowkes wrote:
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> At 04:08 PM 1/4/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> > strongly leaning to a Sony VPL-VW50 this Spring.
>>
>> I can't take it anymore!!! And I can't think of a better place to
>> state it!
>>
>> Widescreen review just did that projector and it can't pass a solid 1920
>> burst! It does not have good dynmic range without the auto iris engaged.
>> While these issues are stated the final conclusion was get it, it's
>> great.
>>
>> Now really, why not spend a little more and get a projector that can
>> really do the pixels and have at least film quality dynamic range and
>> blacks without the tricks that will degrade imaging?
>>
>> You won't get that from a mag protecting their free flow of review
>> product but you will get it from me!
>
>
>
> Since we seem to be in a "venting" mood....
>
> Well, while I'm certainly not a fan of Gary Reber's magazine in general
> since I think that is only a shell of its former self (they can't even
> get the audio information on HD titles right!) I can't agree with your
> overall assessment of this review. With all due respect, you are
> entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. When I saw the
> VPL-VW50 at CEDIA I took considerable time over 4 days to compare its
> features and performance to everything else out there on the floor and
> based on what I saw I still consider it a remarkable machine for the
> money. Quite frankly, most of the other stuff is obscenely overpriced
> and unless you are showing movies to an audience of 50 or more people I
> don't really understand why an average HT projector has to be in the
> five figure range any more. Everything here is based on my personal
> observations and not test bench measurements.
>
> From where I stood at CEDIA the "Pearl" produced a fine image,
> especially when you factor in what it costs compared to a lot of other
> stuff out there. I went to a "shootout" between a Sony with auto iris
> and the upcoming JVC LCoS projector (run my JVC) and they skewed the
> results by turning the auto iris on the Sony off. Of course the dynamic
> range of the JVC looked better, but when you turn on the auto iris on, I
> actually preferred the dynamic range of the Sony. Since I wouldn't
> consider turning the auto iris off why would I ever be concerned about
> not having good dynamic range? You call it a "trick." I choose to call
> it a technique, just as wobulation is on my HP Microdisplay. There are
> trade offs with every process. You seem to imply that these processes
> degrade imaging to the point of it not being watchable. I strongly
> disagree with that. Yes, you can cite test patterns and other
> benchmarks that might "prove" (at least in your eyes) that the processed
> image is not quite as good but I still contend that it's the final
> overall effect that counts. And to my eyes the compromises (if that's
> what they are) are perfectly acceptable for my viewing of movies.
>
> Another person mentioned that the VPL-VP50 is a little "dim" compared to
> other projectors. This is a relative term and a bit deceiving to the
> casual reader. As far as I can see, once again we are talking about
> test results versus the reality of what's required for normal, 110" (or
> so) FP screening. In my opinion the VPL-VW50 has as much brightness as
> needed for any conceivable HT application and if other units provide
> even more brightness my response is, "So what?" We are not talking
> about lower brightness levels of earlier units but a level of
> performance in this area that is well beyond minimal requirements with a
> lot of latitude.
>
> To me the important thing is how well a unit performs for the user and
> on that score the VPL-VP50 does an excellent job. While test bench
> measurements can be informative they can also, at times, perform a
> disservice by trying to tell you that you can't possibly be seeing what
> you are seeing. After all, numbers and charts don't lie! Fortunately,
> movies are not about numbers and charts, but about the cinematic
> experience and I'm certainly not going to spoil my viewing because
> something comes in at a "95" instead of a "97." When watching movies at
> home reaches this level of performance then the law of diminishing
> returns applies. The added cost to notch the specs up a bit (usually
> something that is marginally perceptive if at all) just doesn't make
> sense to me. If you had pointed out a projector that does significantly
> better than the VPL-VW50 for a lower price point (or at least in the
> ballpark) then I would be interested. That's one reason I'm waiting on
> the JVC unit to see what the competition brings to the table. But to
> trash the Pearl to the extent that you did here is really uncalled for
> based on the image up on the screen.
>
> Like I said earlier, nobody is forcing a VPL-VW50 on you and if it
> bothers you that much then look elsewhere. But statements like the one
> you made don't really serve any constructive purpose when the
> implication is that the final image of the Sony is crap.
>
> It clearly isn't.
>
>
> -- RAF
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Richard,

I thought you were frustrated with the review more than complaining about
the projector.

Alan

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At 12:22 PM 1/5/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>Curiuosly, to the TIPS group, did I TRASH the Sony?

By implication with the tone of your message. If I misread your
intention, I apologize. It's just that it came off as a "you can do
much better than the VPL-VW50" discussion to me.


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