Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)

Started by dhancock Mar 1, 2006 8 posts
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#1
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I've renamed this response (like it is not about the Sony Projector).

You are kind of stuck with the box that your cable company provides - so
my discussion of Scientific Atlanta boxes is pointless when all you can
get is Motorola. You might want to check out relevant threads on the
AVS Forum. I don't know what box you have, but here is one thread there
(there are probably lots more) about the Motorola 3412 on Comcast. I
strongly suspect that the box you have will do something similar to what
I posted about the SA8300 - the trick is to find out how.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=604142

RE: Headend, most (probably all) cable companies pass the "native"
MPEG2 signal through the system. Well, almost, they apparently do some
"grooming" of the signal, which is usually a lot more benign than that
done by DirecTV. But they do send it at the native scan rate.

Dave

Daniel vom Saal wrote:

>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Thanks for the feedback; I have not researched using Cable STB's other than
>the one provided by Comcast. The other side of the equation is what is
>Comcast (or any other provider) doing at the headend? If they are doing
>anything other than passing the native MPEG2 signal through all the other
>concerns may be moot.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Dave Hancock
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:24 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>I'm quite familiar with the 8300HD (at least those using SARA
>software). They can be set to provide the "native" scan rate of the
>program being viewed. For component connections is is called
>"Pass-Through", for HDMI/DVI connections they change the title of the
>mode to "Auto HDMI". There are also "Upconvert-1" andd "Upconvert-2"
>modes, which upconvert SD to either 720p or 1080i, but pass the two HD
>formats at their native rate. These are for use where the display will
>not accept 480i over HDMI (dome won't). For these to work the box needs
>to have the desired scan rates enabled in the set up procedure.
>
>Dave Hancock
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Interesting question Daniel.
>>
>>That is a spec I monitored on satellite STBs but not in cable STBs. I will
>>
>>
>start doing that.
>
>
>>The last SA 8300HD I set up for someone in FL had several options but I can
>>
>>
>not recall that option
>
>
>>on the setup menu, in his 1080i only Elite set it did not matter because
>>
>>
>the set could not handle
>
>
>>720p input.
>>
>>You might want to check the Sony cable DVRs, DGH-HDD250 and 500 in the web
>>
>>
>site, I did not put that
>
>
>>spec on page 94 of the CES report, but their satellite boxes use to have
>>
>>
>pass-thru, like Panny did
>
>
>>as well.
>>
>>You can get all the models form the STB section of the 2005 report and back
>>
>>
>(Motorola, SA, Sony, LG,
>
>
>>and Pace), and do a quick search of the manufacturer spec on their web
>>
>>
>site, some might still in the
>
>
>>works like the SA MCP-100 DVR with Hi-def DVD recorder.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Daniel vom Saal
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:56 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Along the lines of top-notch converters and cable boxes: are there any
>>
>>
>cable
>
>
>>boxes that always pass through the native resolution? Currently my
>>
>>
>Motorola
>
>
>>makes you choose a resolution (right now I use 1080i) as output, and it
>>converts everything to that. In an ideal world it could pass what it was
>>receiving (1080i from NBC; 720p from ABC; etc.) on to a high quality unit
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>upconvert to 1080p or whatever. Of course, I'm realizing that means that
>>the cable company would also need to be passing the native resolution.
>>Anyone familiar with this?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>DvS
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>Dr
>
>
>>Robert A Fowkes
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:46 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>At 09:13 AM 2/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>In my opinion the picture looks soft. I found myself adjusting the focus
>>>(has a power focus lens controlled with the remote) quite a bit at first.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>think the fault is in the up conversion taking place in the projector. I
>>>have ordered and expect within a couple of weeks a Vantage-HD
>>>scaler/switcher as manufactured by Calibre. It is expensive ($3,000
#2
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Dave,

Your application of "grooming", I love it.

DirecTV does the grooming with a mammoth brush, similar to the grooming I am doing every day to my
show quality Chow Chow but DIRECTV does it as on the shedding season on a permanent basis.

And we did not get to the analog hole yet, it would be like a bold dog, the first move with the
down-res AACS gives a good idea of the monster grooming expected in a theater near you and 10 other
million people.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra







-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Dave Hancock
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:30 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I've renamed this response (like it is not about the Sony Projector).

You are kind of stuck with the box that your cable company provides - so
my discussion of Scientific Atlanta boxes is pointless when all you can
get is Motorola. You might want to check out relevant threads on the
AVS Forum. I don't know what box you have, but here is one thread there
(there are probably lots more) about the Motorola 3412 on Comcast. I
strongly suspect that the box you have will do something similar to what
I posted about the SA8300 - the trick is to find out how.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=604142

RE: Headend, most (probably all) cable companies pass the "native"
MPEG2 signal through the system. Well, almost, they apparently do some
"grooming" of the signal, which is usually a lot more benign than that
done by DirecTV. But they do send it at the native scan rate.

Dave

Daniel vom Saal wrote:

>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Thanks for the feedback; I have not researched using Cable STB's other than
>the one provided by Comcast. The other side of the equation is what is
>Comcast (or any other provider) doing at the headend? If they are doing
>anything other than passing the native MPEG2 signal through all the other
>concerns may be moot.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Dave Hancock
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:24 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>I'm quite familiar with the 8300HD (at least those using SARA
>software). They can be set to provide the "native" scan rate of the
>program being viewed. For component connections is is called
>"Pass-Through", for HDMI/DVI connections they change the title of the
>mode to "Auto HDMI". There are also "Upconvert-1" andd "Upconvert-2"
>modes, which upconvert SD to either 720p or 1080i, but pass the two HD
>formats at their native rate. These are for use where the display will
>not accept 480i over HDMI (dome won't). For these to work the box needs
>to have the desired scan rates enabled in the set up procedure.
>
>Dave Hancock
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Interesting question Daniel.
>>
>>That is a spec I monitored on satellite STBs but not in cable STBs. I will
>>
>>
>start doing that.
>
>
>>The last SA 8300HD I set up for someone in FL had several options but I can
>>
>>
>not recall that option
>
>
>>on the setup menu, in his 1080i only Elite set it did not matter because
>>
>>
>the set could not handle
>
>
>>720p input.
>>
>>You might want to check the Sony cable DVRs, DGH-HDD250 and 500 in the web
>>
>>
>site, I did not put that
>
>
>>spec on page 94 of the CES report, but their satellite boxes use to have
>>
>>
>pass-thru, like Panny did
>
>
>>as well.
>>
>>You can get all the models form the STB section of the 2005 report and back
>>
>>
>(Motorola, SA, Sony, LG,
>
>
>>and Pace), and do a quick search of the manufacturer spec on their web
>>
>>
>site, some might still in the
>
>
>>works like the SA MCP-100 DVR with Hi-def DVD recorder.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Daniel vom Saal
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:56 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Along the lines of top-notch converters and cable boxes: are there any
>>
>>
>cable
>
>
>>boxes that always pass through the native resolution? Currently my
>>
>>
>Motorola
>
>
>>makes you choose a resolution (right now I use 1080i) as output, and it
>>converts everything to that. In an ideal world it could pass what it was
>>receiving (1080i from NBC; 720p from ABC; etc.) on to a high quality unit
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>upconvert to 1080p or whatever. Of course, I'm realizing that means that
>>the cable company would also need to be passing the native resolution.
>>Anyone familiar with this?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>DvS
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>Dr
>
>
>>Robert A Fowkes
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:46 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>At 09:13 AM 2/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>In my opinion the picture looks soft. I found myself adjusting the focus
>>>(has a power focus lens controlled with the remote) quite a bit at first.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>think the fault is in the up conversion taking place in the projector. I
>>>have ordered and expect within a couple of weeks a Vantage-HD
>>>scaler/switcher as manufactured by Calibre. It is expensive ($3,000
#3
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks for the information and the link; I do not currently have a high-end scalar, but it's great to know for future planning!

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dave Hancock
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:30 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I've renamed this response (like it is not about the Sony Projector).

You are kind of stuck with the box that your cable company provides - so
my discussion of Scientific Atlanta boxes is pointless when all you can
get is Motorola. You might want to check out relevant threads on the
AVS Forum. I don't know what box you have, but here is one thread there
(there are probably lots more) about the Motorola 3412 on Comcast. I
strongly suspect that the box you have will do something similar to what
I posted about the SA8300 - the trick is to find out how.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=604142

RE: Headend, most (probably all) cable companies pass the "native"
MPEG2 signal through the system. Well, almost, they apparently do some
"grooming" of the signal, which is usually a lot more benign than that
done by DirecTV. But they do send it at the native scan rate.

Dave

Daniel vom Saal wrote:

>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Thanks for the feedback; I have not researched using Cable STB's other than
>the one provided by Comcast. The other side of the equation is what is
>Comcast (or any other provider) doing at the headend? If they are doing
>anything other than passing the native MPEG2 signal through all the other
>concerns may be moot.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Dave Hancock
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:24 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>I'm quite familiar with the 8300HD (at least those using SARA
>software). They can be set to provide the "native" scan rate of the
>program being viewed. For component connections is is called
>"Pass-Through", for HDMI/DVI connections they change the title of the
>mode to "Auto HDMI". There are also "Upconvert-1" andd "Upconvert-2"
>modes, which upconvert SD to either 720p or 1080i, but pass the two HD
>formats at their native rate. These are for use where the display will
>not accept 480i over HDMI (dome won't). For these to work the box needs
>to have the desired scan rates enabled in the set up procedure.
>
>Dave Hancock
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Interesting question Daniel.
>>
>>That is a spec I monitored on satellite STBs but not in cable STBs. I will
>>
>>
>start doing that.
>
>
>>The last SA 8300HD I set up for someone in FL had several options but I can
>>
>>
>not recall that option
>
>
>>on the setup menu, in his 1080i only Elite set it did not matter because
>>
>>
>the set could not handle
>
>
>>720p input.
>>
>>You might want to check the Sony cable DVRs, DGH-HDD250 and 500 in the web
>>
>>
>site, I did not put that
>
>
>>spec on page 94 of the CES report, but their satellite boxes use to have
>>
>>
>pass-thru, like Panny did
>
>
>>as well.
>>
>>You can get all the models form the STB section of the 2005 report and back
>>
>>
>(Motorola, SA, Sony, LG,
>
>
>>and Pace), and do a quick search of the manufacturer spec on their web
>>
>>
>site, some might still in the
>
>
>>works like the SA MCP-100 DVR with Hi-def DVD recorder.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Daniel vom Saal
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:56 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Along the lines of top-notch converters and cable boxes: are there any
>>
>>
>cable
>
>
>>boxes that always pass through the native resolution? Currently my
>>
>>
>Motorola
>
>
>>makes you choose a resolution (right now I use 1080i) as output, and it
>>converts everything to that. In an ideal world it could pass what it was
>>receiving (1080i from NBC; 720p from ABC; etc.) on to a high quality unit
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>upconvert to 1080p or whatever. Of course, I'm realizing that means that
>>the cable company would also need to be passing the native resolution.
>>Anyone familiar with this?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>DvS
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>Dr
>
>
>>Robert A Fowkes
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:46 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>At 09:13 AM 2/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>In my opinion the picture looks soft. I found myself adjusting the focus
>>>(has a power focus lens controlled with the remote) quite a bit at first.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>think the fault is in the up conversion taking place in the projector. I
>>>have ordered and expect within a couple of weeks a Vantage-HD
>>>scaler/switcher as manufactured by Calibre. It is expensive ($3,000
#4
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Daniel,

Since you said the magic word "future planning" (I though you meant current cable STBs originally),
you might want to consider the following unit as a future possibility.

HD Tivo Series 3
---------------
HD 250GB DVR, dual HD recording (300 hrs SD, 30 hrs HD), dual CableCARD slots on back (Multi-stream
2.0 or Single-stream 1.0 variety) to support two signals, six tuners (dual cable tuners, dual NTSC
tuners, dual ATSC tuners), can use any tuner pair, supports digital and analog cable, external SATA
drive, backlit remote, TTM 06, supports MRV and TTG, coax cable in, coax antenna in, no RCA or
S-video inputs, it has the following outputs: HDMI, component, composite, optical audio, RCA stereo
out, 2 USB ports, 10/100 base T Ethernet jack connections, outputs 480i/p/720p/1080i and pass-thru,
encodes analog content with MPEG-2, supports playback w/MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 and WM9.

Notice the pass-thru spec.

This information is an excerpt of the report that is coming out in a few days, there are many other
products in the HD-STB section that might interest you "in the future" as you said, even IPTV HD
products, of which I cover quite a bit.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Daniel vom Saal (HA)
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:54 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks for the information and the link; I do not currently have a high-end scalar, but it's great
to know for future planning!

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dave Hancock
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:30 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I've renamed this response (like it is not about the Sony Projector).

You are kind of stuck with the box that your cable company provides - so
my discussion of Scientific Atlanta boxes is pointless when all you can
get is Motorola. You might want to check out relevant threads on the
AVS Forum. I don't know what box you have, but here is one thread there
(there are probably lots more) about the Motorola 3412 on Comcast. I
strongly suspect that the box you have will do something similar to what
I posted about the SA8300 - the trick is to find out how.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=604142

RE: Headend, most (probably all) cable companies pass the "native"
MPEG2 signal through the system. Well, almost, they apparently do some
"grooming" of the signal, which is usually a lot more benign than that
done by DirecTV. But they do send it at the native scan rate.

Dave

Daniel vom Saal wrote:

>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Thanks for the feedback; I have not researched using Cable STB's other than
>the one provided by Comcast. The other side of the equation is what is
>Comcast (or any other provider) doing at the headend? If they are doing
>anything other than passing the native MPEG2 signal through all the other
>concerns may be moot.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Dave Hancock
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:24 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>I'm quite familiar with the 8300HD (at least those using SARA
>software). They can be set to provide the "native" scan rate of the
>program being viewed. For component connections is is called
>"Pass-Through", for HDMI/DVI connections they change the title of the
>mode to "Auto HDMI". There are also "Upconvert-1" andd "Upconvert-2"
>modes, which upconvert SD to either 720p or 1080i, but pass the two HD
>formats at their native rate. These are for use where the display will
>not accept 480i over HDMI (dome won't). For these to work the box needs
>to have the desired scan rates enabled in the set up procedure.
>
>Dave Hancock
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Interesting question Daniel.
>>
>>That is a spec I monitored on satellite STBs but not in cable STBs. I will
>>
>>
>start doing that.
>
>
>>The last SA 8300HD I set up for someone in FL had several options but I can
>>
>>
>not recall that option
>
>
>>on the setup menu, in his 1080i only Elite set it did not matter because
>>
>>
>the set could not handle
>
>
>>720p input.
>>
>>You might want to check the Sony cable DVRs, DGH-HDD250 and 500 in the web
>>
>>
>site, I did not put that
>
>
>>spec on page 94 of the CES report, but their satellite boxes use to have
>>
>>
>pass-thru, like Panny did
>
>
>>as well.
>>
>>You can get all the models form the STB section of the 2005 report and back
>>
>>
>(Motorola, SA, Sony, LG,
>
>
>>and Pace), and do a quick search of the manufacturer spec on their web
>>
>>
>site, some might still in the
>
>
>>works like the SA MCP-100 DVR with Hi-def DVD recorder.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Daniel vom Saal
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:56 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Along the lines of top-notch converters and cable boxes: are there any
>>
>>
>cable
>
>
>>boxes that always pass through the native resolution? Currently my
>>
>>
>Motorola
>
>
>>makes you choose a resolution (right now I use 1080i) as output, and it
>>converts everything to that. In an ideal world it could pass what it was
>>receiving (1080i from NBC; 720p from ABC; etc.) on to a high quality unit
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>upconvert to 1080p or whatever. Of course, I'm realizing that means that
>>the cable company would also need to be passing the native resolution.
>>Anyone familiar with this?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>DvS
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>Dr
>
>
>>Robert A Fowkes
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:46 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>At 09:13 AM 2/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>In my opinion the picture looks soft. I found myself adjusting the focus
>>>(has a power focus lens controlled with the remote) quite a bit at first.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>think the fault is in the up conversion taking place in the projector. I
>>>have ordered and expect within a couple of weeks a Vantage-HD
>>>scaler/switcher as manufactured by Calibre. It is expensive ($3,000
#5
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks - looks like quite the unit!

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:19 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Daniel,

Since you said the magic word "future planning" (I though you meant current
cable STBs originally),
you might want to consider the following unit as a future possibility.

HD Tivo Series 3
---------------
HD 250GB DVR, dual HD recording (300 hrs SD, 30 hrs HD), dual CableCARD
slots on back (Multi-stream
2.0 or Single-stream 1.0 variety) to support two signals, six tuners (dual
cable tuners, dual NTSC
tuners, dual ATSC tuners), can use any tuner pair, supports digital and
analog cable, external SATA
drive, backlit remote, TTM 06, supports MRV and TTG, coax cable in, coax
antenna in, no RCA or
S-video inputs, it has the following outputs: HDMI, component, composite,
optical audio, RCA stereo
out, 2 USB ports, 10/100 base T Ethernet jack connections, outputs
480i/p/720p/1080i and pass-thru,
encodes analog content with MPEG-2, supports playback w/MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 and
WM9.

Notice the pass-thru spec.

This information is an excerpt of the report that is coming out in a few
days, there are many other
products in the HD-STB section that might interest you "in the future" as
you said, even IPTV HD
products, of which I cover quite a bit.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Daniel vom Saal (HA)
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:54 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks for the information and the link; I do not currently have a high-end
scalar, but it's great
to know for future planning!

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Dave Hancock
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:30 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I've renamed this response (like it is not about the Sony Projector).

You are kind of stuck with the box that your cable company provides - so
my discussion of Scientific Atlanta boxes is pointless when all you can
get is Motorola. You might want to check out relevant threads on the
AVS Forum. I don't know what box you have, but here is one thread there
(there are probably lots more) about the Motorola 3412 on Comcast. I
strongly suspect that the box you have will do something similar to what
I posted about the SA8300 - the trick is to find out how.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=604142

RE: Headend, most (probably all) cable companies pass the "native"
MPEG2 signal through the system. Well, almost, they apparently do some
"grooming" of the signal, which is usually a lot more benign than that
done by DirecTV. But they do send it at the native scan rate.

Dave

Daniel vom Saal wrote:

>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Thanks for the feedback; I have not researched using Cable STB's other than
>the one provided by Comcast. The other side of the equation is what is
>Comcast (or any other provider) doing at the headend? If they are doing
>anything other than passing the native MPEG2 signal through all the other
>concerns may be moot.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Dave Hancock
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:24 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>
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>
>I'm quite familiar with the 8300HD (at least those using SARA
>software). They can be set to provide the "native" scan rate of the
>program being viewed. For component connections is is called
>"Pass-Through", for HDMI/DVI connections they change the title of the
>mode to "Auto HDMI". There are also "Upconvert-1" andd "Upconvert-2"
>modes, which upconvert SD to either 720p or 1080i, but pass the two HD
>formats at their native rate. These are for use where the display will
>not accept 480i over HDMI (dome won't). For these to work the box needs
>to have the desired scan rates enabled in the set up procedure.
>
>Dave Hancock
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
>
>
>
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>>
>>Interesting question Daniel.
>>
>>That is a spec I monitored on satellite STBs but not in cable STBs. I
will
>>
>>
>start doing that.
>
>
>>The last SA 8300HD I set up for someone in FL had several options but I
can
>>
>>
>not recall that option
>
>
>>on the setup menu, in his 1080i only Elite set it did not matter because
>>
>>
>the set could not handle
>
>
>>720p input.
>>
>>You might want to check the Sony cable DVRs, DGH-HDD250 and 500 in the web
>>
>>
>site, I did not put that
>
>
>>spec on page 94 of the CES report, but their satellite boxes use to have
>>
>>
>pass-thru, like Panny did
>
>
>>as well.
>>
>>You can get all the models form the STB section of the 2005 report and
back
>>
>>
>(Motorola, SA, Sony, LG,
>
>
>>and Pace), and do a quick search of the manufacturer spec on their web
>>
>>
>site, some might still in the
>
>
>>works like the SA MCP-100 DVR with Hi-def DVD recorder.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Daniel vom Saal
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:56 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
>>
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>>
>>Along the lines of top-notch converters and cable boxes: are there any
>>
>>
>cable
>
>
>>boxes that always pass through the native resolution? Currently my
>>
>>
>Motorola
>
>
>>makes you choose a resolution (right now I use 1080i) as output, and it
>>converts everything to that. In an ideal world it could pass what it was
>>receiving (1080i from NBC; 720p from ABC; etc.) on to a high quality unit
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>upconvert to 1080p or whatever. Of course, I'm realizing that means that
>>the cable company would also need to be passing the native resolution.
>>Anyone familiar with this?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>DvS
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>Dr
>
>
>>Robert A Fowkes
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:46 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
>>
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>>
>>At 09:13 AM 2/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>In my opinion the picture looks soft. I found myself adjusting the focus
>>>(has a power focus lens controlled with the remote) quite a bit at first.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>think the fault is in the up conversion taking place in the projector. I
>>>have ordered and expect within a couple of weeks a Vantage-HD
>>>scaler/switcher as manufactured by Calibre. It is expensive ($3,000
#6
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I recently added a Comcast DVR 6412 III and when I leave the box turned off and it turns itself on to record programming, if I turned on the TV to watch the DVR mutes itself and you cannot get it of mute. Does anyone have this problem with this unit and can it be solved.
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From: "Daniel vom Saal (HA)" <[email protected]>
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>
> Thanks for the information and the link; I do not currently have a high-end
> scalar, but it's great to know for future planning!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dave
> Hancock
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:30 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)
>
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>
> I've renamed this response (like it is not about the Sony Projector).
>
> You are kind of stuck with the box that your cable company provides - so
> my discussion of Scientific Atlanta boxes is pointless when all you can
> get is Motorola. You might want to check out relevant threads on the
> AVS Forum. I don't know what box you have, but here is one thread there
> (there are probably lots more) about the Motorola 3412 on Comcast. I
> strongly suspect that the box you have will do something similar to what
> I posted about the SA8300 - the trick is to find out how.
> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=604142
>
> RE: Headend, most (probably all) cable companies pass the "native"
> MPEG2 signal through the system. Well, almost, they apparently do some
> "grooming" of the signal, which is usually a lot more benign than that
> done by DirecTV. But they do send it at the native scan rate.
>
> Dave
>
> Daniel vom Saal wrote:
>
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> >
> >Thanks for the feedback; I have not researched using Cable STB's other than
> >the one provided by Comcast. The other side of the equation is what is
> >Comcast (or any other provider) doing at the headend? If they are doing
> >anything other than passing the native MPEG2 signal through all the other
> >concerns may be moot.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >Dave Hancock
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:24 PM
> >To: HDTV Magazine
> >Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
> >
> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >I'm quite familiar with the 8300HD (at least those using SARA
> >software). They can be set to provide the "native" scan rate of the
> >program being viewed. For component connections is is called
> >"Pass-Through", for HDMI/DVI connections they change the title of the
> >mode to "Auto HDMI". There are also "Upconvert-1" andd "Upconvert-2"
> >modes, which upconvert SD to either 720p or 1080i, but pass the two HD
> >formats at their native rate. These are for use where the display will
> >not accept 480i over HDMI (dome won't). For these to work the box needs
> >to have the desired scan rates enabled in the set up procedure.
> >
> >Dave Hancock
> >
> >Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Interesting question Daniel.
> >>
> >>That is a spec I monitored on satellite STBs but not in cable STBs. I will
> >>
> >>
> >start doing that.
> >
> >
> >>The last SA 8300HD I set up for someone in FL had several options but I can
> >>
> >>
> >not recall that option
> >
> >
> >>on the setup menu, in his 1080i only Elite set it did not matter because
> >>
> >>
> >the set could not handle
> >
> >
> >>720p input.
> >>
> >>You might want to check the Sony cable DVRs, DGH-HDD250 and 500 in the web
> >>
> >>
> >site, I did not put that
> >
> >
> >>spec on page 94 of the CES report, but their satellite boxes use to have
> >>
> >>
> >pass-thru, like Panny did
> >
> >
> >>as well.
> >>
> >>You can get all the models form the STB section of the 2005 report and back
> >>
> >>
> >(Motorola, SA, Sony, LG,
> >
> >
> >>and Pace), and do a quick search of the manufacturer spec on their web
> >>
> >>
> >site, some might still in the
> >
> >
> >>works like the SA MCP-100 DVR with Hi-def DVD recorder.
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >>Daniel vom Saal
> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:56 PM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
> >>
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Along the lines of top-notch converters and cable boxes: are there any
> >>
> >>
> >cable
> >
> >
> >>boxes that always pass through the native resolution? Currently my
> >>
> >>
> >Motorola
> >
> >
> >>makes you choose a resolution (right now I use 1080i) as output, and it
> >>converts everything to that. In an ideal world it could pass what it was
> >>receiving (1080i from NBC; 720p from ABC; etc.) on to a high quality unit
> >>
> >>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>upconvert to 1080p or whatever. Of course, I'm realizing that means that
> >>the cable company would also need to be passing the native resolution.
> >>Anyone familiar with this?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>DvS
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >>
> >>
> >Dr
> >
> >
> >>Robert A Fowkes
> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:46 AM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: Sony Ruby projector
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>At 09:13 AM 2/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>In my opinion the picture looks soft. I found myself adjusting the focus
> >>>(has a power focus lens controlled with the remote) quite a bit at first.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>think the fault is in the up conversion taking place in the projector. I
> >>>have ordered and expect within a couple of weeks a Vantage-HD
> >>>scaler/switcher as manufactured by Calibre. It is expensive ($3,000
#7
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The simplest fix is to never turn the box off. Take a look at this
website's FAQ and it will give you some answers.

http://www.dvrchatter.com/viewtopic.php?id=8

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Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:36 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)


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I recently added a Comcast DVR 6412 III and when I leave the box turned off
and it turns itself on to record programming, if I turned on the TV to watch
the DVR mutes itself and you cannot get it of mute. Does anyone have this
problem with this unit and can it be solved.


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#8
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Bob,
thanks so much for the information. I will try the mute box function.

Bob Bullock
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From: "Bob Caplan" <[email protected]>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> The simplest fix is to never turn the box off. Take a look at this
> website's FAQ and it will give you some answers.
>
> http://www.dvrchatter.com/viewtopic.php?id=8
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:36 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Cable Scan Rates (Was Sony Ruby projector)
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I recently added a Comcast DVR 6412 III and when I leave the box turned off
> and it turns itself on to record programming, if I turned on the TV to watch
> the DVR mutes itself and you cannot get it of mute. Does anyone have this
> problem with this unit and can it be solved.
>
>
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