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Shane,
I can see no downside to the public having viewing privileges. Heck, many
of us do just that most of the time.
Mark Alford
On 7/9/08 9:13 AM, "Shane Sturgeon" <
[email protected]> wrote:
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> In no way am I suggesting we open this list up to the public for
> posting. It needs to remain "privileged" or "by invitation only". The
> only question is: Should we allow the public to read what we post?
>
> They will undoubtedly learn something from our dialog.
>
> Shane Sturgeon
>
>
>
> Jason Burroughs wrote:
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>> This is a tough one. I think the core question is, how does this list
>> differ from the AVS, Home Theater Spot, and other forums? To me, the
>> difference is huge - those sites are great for searching for
>> encyclopedic data, asking a question that will get thousands or more
>> eyes on it, and interacting with a broad swath of people. The tips
>> list, on the other hand, feels like a private message board for a
>> group of people with a real connection, posting messages that are
>> mostly on-topic, not politically charged, very rarely incendiary, and
>> usually insightful. While the purpose of the Tips List might have
>> originally been to educate the masses, I feel that mission has been
>> accomplished.
>>
>> However you may feel about the state of the HDTV industry, I would say
>> 'mature' is a fair statement. We no longer have the need for drawn out
>> technical discussions of the successor to DVD, ASTC-tuner mandates, or
>> other huge important topics. Gone are the days of Dale's all-nighters
>> composing emails that give you goosebumps when reading his passionate
>> discussions of the future of television - it's here! We get an
>> occasional ask for tips about a particular product purchase, a
>> recommendation for what to buy, and sometimes general discussion about
>> the industry. The volume of mail has dropped considerably, and i've
>> thought more than once about dropping off - only to realize that when
>> I really have an HD-related question, that this is THE first place I
>> post. Those of us who have been on the list for some years now have
>> come to be like old friends; new participants are rare (but welcome),
>> and some old faces disappear (Rodolfo's will be a huge loss).
>>
>> Personally, I won't subscribe to the new forum - I simply don't have
>> time for it. I don't want to click on a link in email to find a new
>> post or to check the various threads that are updated. This list email
>> volume has been low enough to pick through occasionally and read the
>> posts to keep up with what was current, and the occasional news article.
>>
>> Since I bought my lifetime subscription in March of 2004 (just found
>> the email receipt), the world of HD has changed dramatically. All the
>> big issues have been overcome (in my opinion) and we are in more of a
>> "maintenance" phase. A few tweaks here and there, generational
>> improvements in products and technology, but nothing as exciting as
>> the past 5 years. I've moved on with my life, no longer spend nights
>> and weekends downloading the latest version of PowerDVD or reading
>> reviews of DVDs, and closed down the little HD business I started long
>> ago.
>>
>> If this is the end of the tips list as we know it, I would like to
>> express my sincere thanks to those I have gotten to know over these
>> last few years. Your wisdom and advice, questions, comments, and
>> replies, have been a welcome change from the faceless forums filled
>> with 1/3 bogus info, 1/3 blowhards, and 1/3 true information. It has
>> been a pleasure sharing this space with you!
>>
>> Jason Burroughs
>> DieselGreen Fuels
>>
www.dieselgreenfuels.com
>> 512-391-0569 office
>> 512-992-8677 mobile
>> 512-287-4229 fax
>>
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Jeff Odell wrote:
>>
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>>> If you allow the general public to read, you must make it easy to join
>>> and post as well. Thought must be provided to keep the signal to
>>> noise ratio to an acceptable level or the skilled folks needed most
>>> here will stop contributing as the effort will outweigh the benefit.
>>>
>>> I don't participate routinely in the other forums because of the
>>> problem listed above. I read each and every post here, contributing
>>> where I can, since the s/n ratio is very good.
>>>
>>> On the flip side, we don't want to be seen as an elitist group who
>>> will not accept outsiders.
>>>
>>> I don't know what the correct solution is but thought must be given so
>>> this valuable resource doesn't turn into the typical forum filled with
>>> trolls and misinformation.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Shane Sturgeon
>>> <
[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> The Tips List will go in, but in a slightly different form. It is
>>>> 2008 after
>>>> all, and so we should be utilizing other more advanced tools at our
>>>> disposal
>>>> for collaboration about these subjects. I will send a link later
>>>> tonight to
>>>> a new forum I will be creating for Tips List discussions.
>>>>
>>>> What Dale and I have discussed is creating a "restricted" forum,
>>>> which only
>>>> those on this list can post to and read. It will have the same
>>>> exclusivity
>>>> this list has, but will be part of our online website. You can even
>>>> elect to
>>>> be notified of new postings via email, the same way the tips list
>>>> operates.
>>>>
>>>> The advantage for both you and us is that we won't have to maintain a
>>>> separate account just for the tips list, and you will not have to
>>>> manage
>>>> changing two email addresses, should you ever need to change it. All
>>>> account
>>>> info will be in a single place.
>>>>
>>>> The one question Dale and I have bounced back and forth is: Should
>>>> we allow
>>>> the general public to read the postings there?
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Shane Sturgeon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Azar wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, we are reading the obit of Tips? That is a shame as it
>>>>> still
>>>>> has a need and a use. I would highly discourage the discontinuation;
>>>>> rather
>>>>> I would encourage the addition of a few more good members that will
>>>>> add in
>>>>> a
>>>>> positive, ego-less way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph Azar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Dale Cripps
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:51 PM
>>>>> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
>>>>> Subject: Changes
>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>> We are all indebted to Rodolfo La Maestra for his untiring
>>>>> educational and
>>>>> advisory service to the HDTV movement in. We, who know him, are
>>>>> sure this
>>>>> self directed task will continue in an even more amplified way. I
>>>>> conceived
>>>>> the Tips List as being the school for an army of enthusiasts who were
>>>>> energized and prepared to lead the public transition to HDTV. This
>>>>> list
>>>>> swelled to over 1000 at its height. I heeded the warning to avoid an
>>>>> atmosphere in the list that would invite the silliness that other
>>>>> forums had
>>>>>
>>>>> suffered from, namely, immature fanboys pushing their modest knowledge
>>>>> into the foreground at the expense of superior research.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also understood that no network or channel could afford the
>>>>> higher cost
>>>>> of production and distribution of HDTV signals without an audience
>>>>> to pay
>>>>> for it. We recognized that we could not build that audience
>>>>> without there
>>>>> being a growing understanding and appreciation of the products that
>>>>> go into
>>>>> it. Whether consciously or unconsciously those devoted to the tips
>>>>> list have
>>>>>
>>>>> distributed information about HDTV like a dandelion does its seeds.
>>>>> I am
>>>>> told it takes as few as 100 devoted people to set a world movement
>>>>> into
>>>>> motion. We had ten times that and all forming a single line to
>>>>> insure the
>>>>> impact. I am proud of every one of those in the Tips list who
>>>>> absorbed an
>>>>> uncharacteristic amount of information in order to share the
>>>>> beginning of a
>>>>> new era with others. That formed a noble core for this movement in
>>>>> which all
>>>>>
>>>>> who participated should be proud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rodolfo's departure signals an end to the need for this kind of closed
>>>>> forum. Shane will make announcements later that will take us to the
>>>>> next
>>>>> step of this transition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you all for doing what you did to further the cause. This has
>>>>> never
>>>>> been a movement just about pretty pictures but rather it exists to
>>>>> bring a
>>>>> greater understanding of the world and through that a better
>>>>> enjoyment of
>>>>> our lives. Congratulations to all of you for graduating into the
>>>>> next era.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dale Cripps
>>>>> Founder
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