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Mits just announced a new form of DLP using lasers, actually three lasers of
red, green and blue. This was in yesterday's NYT and the link is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/busin ... ref=slogin

Hugh




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> I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark Howard
> update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a financial guru
> who retired from regular work in his early thirties because of his
> financial investments and he is extremely frugal. This morning he was
> discussing HD displays and mentioned that Mitsubishi has a new display
> technology on the horizon that will rival or surpass the image quality of
> theaters. He said it won't be out until Christmas of 2007 and is advising
> his listeners not to shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD display until
> this new technology hits the market. He then advises that the 1200.00 or
> less display be moved to a sports or game room. OK, anyone have any idea
> what the heck he is talking about? 1080P displays are already out. High
> definition discs are hitting the market this year, so what would improve
> resolution beyond those two advancements? Is Ultra High Definition coming
> to the marketplace much sooner than expected?
> This inquiring mind would really like to know. Comments please.
>
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Orlando, FL
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I would suspect he is talking about a laser addressed 1080p DLP projector.
With laser addressability each pixel receives the laser directed light upon
it when that pixel is energized by a video signal. I am not clear yet until
the 8th of this month when I will be in Huntington Beach, California to see
a demonstration whether the laser is also tied in with the modulation (gray
scale) scheme, but one thing is for sure, when the lasers (red, green, blue)
are on, they are "on", and when off, they are off. That will prevent light
leakage that invariably comes with a constant lamp or back light and give
you those black blacks that are so important for the enriching of the image.
At the right viewing distance you cannot resolve more than what a 1080p will
deliver if it is delivering all 2 million plus pixels. One thing to rejoice
over is that the lasers will outlast the electronics--in other words, no
bulb replacements for the life of the set. It is also bright enough that
there need be no focusing of the front plate, making the entire envelope
thinner and the need for a heavy bevel far less.

UltraHD has been introduced to "challenge" HD and drive up the technical bar
a notch, i.e., you have to keep raising the bar and encouraging technical
rivalries. There are business and military application for UltraHD and when
display technology is sophisticated enough and we, the people, are convinced
that a huge image is more desirable than just a big one, and the bandwidth
to transmit it is realizable, it could be introduced as the high-end tier.
There are demonstrations of it at the NAB convention in Las Vegas later this
month, which I am anxious to see. _Dale

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I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark Howard
update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a financial guru who
retired from regular work in his early thirties because of his financial
investments and he is extremely frugal. This morning he was discussing HD
displays and mentioned that Mitsubishi has a new display technology on the
horizon that will rival or surpass the image quality of theaters. He said
it won't be out until Christmas of 2007 and is advising his listeners not to
shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD display until this new technology hits
the market. He then advises that the 1200.00 or less display be moved to a
sports or game room. OK, anyone have any idea what the heck he is talking
about? 1080P displays are already out. High definition discs are hitting
the market this year, so what would improve resolution beyond those two
advancements? Is Ultra High Definition coming to the marketplace much
sooner than expected?
This inquiring mind would really like to know. Comments please.

Anthony Rizzuto
Orlando, FL

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If you care nothing about quality and performance he has great advice.
If you do care take all he says with a grain of salt.

Never forget, this is a guy who goes to McDonalds, buys two regular
hamgurgers, unwrapps them, takes them apart and slams them both together
for his less expensive version of the quarter pounder with cheese so he
can pocket the savings.



Need I say more...

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Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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> I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark Howard update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a financial guru who retired from regular work in his early thirties because of his financial investments and he is extremely frugal. This morning he was discussing HD displays and mentioned that Mitsubishi has a new display technology on the horizon that will rival or surpass the image quality of theaters. He said it won't be out until Christmas of 2007 and is advising his listeners not to shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD display until this new technology hits the market. He then advises that the 1200.00 or less display be moved to a sports or game room. OK, anyone have any idea what the heck he is talking about? 1080P displays are already out. High definition discs are hitting the market this year, so what would improve resolution beyond those two advancements? Is Ultra High Definition coming to the marketplace much sooner than expected
?
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I understand your point Richard and yes I know the Buffalo screams when he spends it but what he is saying is if you must have an HD set now, try to keep it at 1200 or under and save your money for the new technology so you can get the best for your money. Given what both Dale and the Times article have to say about this new technology, I for one would be inclined to wait a couple of years. Eliminating light bleed and actually having true blacks again without the bulky CRT is very appealing to me.

Anthony Rizzuto
Orlando, FL

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If you care nothing about quality and performance he has great advice.
If you do care take all he says with a grain of salt.

Never forget, this is a guy who goes to McDonalds, buys two regular
hamgurgers, unwrapps them, takes them apart and slams them both together
for his less expensive version of the quarter pounder with cheese so he
can pocket the savings.



Need I say more...

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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> I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark Howard update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a financial guru who retired from regular work in his early thirties because of his financial investments and he is extremely frugal. This morning he was discussing HD displays and mentioned that Mitsubishi has a new display technology on the horizon that will rival or surpass the image quality of theaters. He said it won't be out until Christmas of 2007 and is advising his listeners not to shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD display until this new technology hits the market. He then advises that the 1200.00 or less display be moved to a sports or game room. OK, anyone have any idea what the heck he is talking about? 1080P displays are already out. High definition discs are hitting the market this year, so what would improve resolution beyond those two advancements? Is Ultra High Definition coming to the marketplace much sooner than
expected
?
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LOL

and the next big technology will have Clark telling you to wait again.

This guy has been telling folks to wait since 1998.

Now he wants you to wait for the next greatest thing and I guarantee he
will then say they are too expensive and again go for the poorly
performing $1200 or less version until they come down in price.

I saw this guys home theater system and if you did too I guarantee you
would be laughing and not listening to his HT or HDTV advice.

LOL

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A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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> I understand your point Richard and yes I know the Buffalo screams when he spends it but what he is saying is if you must have an HD set now, try to keep it at 1200 or under and save your money for the new technology so you can get the best for your money. Given what both Dale and the Times article have to say about this new technology, I for one would be inclined to wait a couple of years. Eliminating light bleed and actually having true blacks again without the bulky CRT is very appealing to me.
>
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Orlando, FL
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Richard Fisher <[email protected]>
> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2006 3:12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Clark Howard say's don't spend more than 1200 on an HD Display unitl 07
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> If you care nothing about quality and performance he has great advice.
> If you do care take all he says with a grain of salt.
>
> Never forget, this is a guy who goes to McDonalds, buys two regular
> hamgurgers, unwrapps them, takes them apart and slams them both together
> for his less expensive version of the quarter pounder with cheese so he
> can pocket the savings.
>
>
>
> Need I say more...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>
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>>I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark Howard update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a financial guru who retired from regular work in his early thirties because of his financial investments and he is extremely frugal. This morning he was discussing HD displays and mentioned that Mitsubishi has a new display technology on the horizon that will rival or surpass the image quality of theaters. He said it won't be out until Christmas of 2007 and is advising his listeners not to shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD display until this new technology hits the market. He then advises that the 1200.00 or less display be moved to a sports or game room. OK, anyone have any idea what the heck he is talking about? 1080P displays are already out. High definition discs are hitting the market this year, so what would improve resolution beyond those two advancements? Is Ultra High Definition coming to the marketplace much sooner than
>
> expected
> ?
>
>> This inquiring mind would really like to know. Comments please.
>>
>>Anthony Rizzuto
>>Orlando, FL
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I understand exactly where you are coming from. However, I was strongly considering a Brillian 1080p set as I was supposedly going to get a deal on it but now that I know what is coming up this seems to be a big enough leap to justify the wait, at least for me. My Mits still looks damn good and with the possiblity of being able to playback 1080i DVD's at least some of them in 1080i over component, it makes the wait that much easier. Even without the ability to play 1080i DVD's my system still looks good enough to me to justify the wait.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

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LOL

and the next big technology will have Clark telling you to wait again.

This guy has been telling folks to wait since 1998.

Now he wants you to wait for the next greatest thing and I guarantee he
will then say they are too expensive and again go for the poorly
performing $1200 or less version until they come down in price.

I saw this guys home theater system and if you did too I guarantee you
would be laughing and not listening to his HT or HDTV advice.

LOL

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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> I understand your point Richard and yes I know the Buffalo screams when he spends it but what he is saying is if you must have an HD set now, try to keep it at 1200 or under and save your money for the new technology so you can get the best for your money. Given what both Dale and the Times article have to say about this new technology, I for one would be inclined to wait a couple of years. Eliminating light bleed and actually having true blacks again without the bulky CRT is very appealing to me.
>
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Orlando, FL
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Richard Fisher <[email protected]>
> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2006 3:12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Clark Howard say's don't spend more than 1200 on an HD Display unitl 07
>
>
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>
> If you care nothing about quality and performance he has great advice.
> If you do care take all he says with a grain of salt.
>
> Never forget, this is a guy who goes to McDonalds, buys two regular
> hamgurgers, unwrapps them, takes them apart and slams them both together
> for his less expensive version of the quarter pounder with cheese so he
> can pocket the savings.
>
>
>
> Need I say more...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>
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>>
>>I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark Howard update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a financial guru who retired from regular work in his early thirties because of his financial investments and he is extremely frugal. This morning he was discussing HD displays and mentioned that Mitsubishi has a new display technology on the horizon that will rival or surpass the image quality of theaters. He said it won't be out until Christmas of 2007 and is advising his listeners not to shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD display until this new technology hits the market. He then advises that the 1200.00 or less display be moved to a sports or game room. OK, anyone have any idea what the heck he is talking about? 1080P displays are already out. High definition discs are hitting the market this year, so what would improve resolution beyond those two advancements? Is Ultra High Definition coming to the marketplace much sooner than
>
> expected
> ?
>
>> This inquiring mind would really like to know. Comments please.
>>
>>Anthony Rizzuto
>>Orlando, FL
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I will only throw out Mits is not a leader in imaging science so when it
comes out I fully expect there to be problems. I am more excited by what
others will do with this technology.

On that note check out this imaging bargain!

Samsung DLP FP from JKP SP-H710AE bargain at ebay
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5941

Doubt Clark would mention that!

I would strongly consider the Brillian based on everything I keep
hearing from the press and those who have worked with them. They too are
into imaging science and it comes with a free ISF calibration!

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Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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> I understand exactly where you are coming from. However, I was strongly considering a Brillian 1080p set as I was supposedly going to get a deal on it but now that I know what is coming up this seems to be a big enough leap to justify the wait, at least for me. My Mits still looks damn good and with the possiblity of being able to playback 1080i DVD's at least some of them in 1080i over component, it makes the wait that much easier. Even without the ability to play 1080i DVD's my system still looks good enough to me to justify the wait.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Richard Fisher <[email protected]>
> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2006 3:56:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Clark Howard say's don't spend more than 1200 on an HD Display unitl 07
>
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> LOL
>
> and the next big technology will have Clark telling you to wait again.
>
> This guy has been telling folks to wait since 1998.
>
> Now he wants you to wait for the next greatest thing and I guarantee he
> will then say they are too expensive and again go for the poorly
> performing $1200 or less version until they come down in price.
>
> I saw this guys home theater system and if you did too I guarantee you
> would be laughing and not listening to his HT or HDTV advice.
>
> LOL
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>
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>>
>>I understand your point Richard and yes I know the Buffalo screams when he spends it but what he is saying is if you must have an HD set now, try to keep it at 1200 or under and save your money for the new technology so you can get the best for your money. Given what both Dale and the Times article have to say about this new technology, I for one would be inclined to wait a couple of years. Eliminating light bleed and actually having true blacks again without the bulky CRT is very appealing to me.
>>
>>Anthony Rizzuto
>>Orlando, FL
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Richard Fisher <[email protected]>
>>To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2006 3:12:58 PM
>>Subject: Re: Clark Howard say's don't spend more than 1200 on an HD Display unitl 07
>>
>>
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>>
>>If you care nothing about quality and performance he has great advice.
>>If you do care take all he says with a grain of salt.
>>
>>Never forget, this is a guy who goes to McDonalds, buys two regular
>>hamgurgers, unwrapps them, takes them apart and slams them both together
>>for his less expensive version of the quarter pounder with cheese so he
>>can pocket the savings.
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Need I say more...
>>
>>Richard Fisher
>>www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
>>A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>>
>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>
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>>>I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark Howard update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a financial guru who retired from regular work in his early thirties because of his financial investments and he is extremely frugal. This morning he was discussing HD displays and mentioned that Mitsubishi has a new display technology on the horizon that will rival or surpass the image quality of theaters. He said it won't be out until Christmas of 2007 and is advising his listeners not to shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD display until this new technology hits the market. He then advises that the 1200.00 or less display be moved to a sports or game room. OK, anyone have any idea what the heck he is talking about? 1080P displays are already out. High definition discs are hitting the market this year, so what would improve resolution beyond those two advancements? Is Ultra High Definition coming to the marketplace much sooner than
>>
>> expected
>>?
>>
>>
>>> This inquiring mind would really like to know. Comments please.
>>>
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>>>Orlando, FL
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But that would only be a fifth pounder. And no one wants a fifth pounder!
each McDonalds' hamburger is 1/10th of a pound.


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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:12 PM
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> If you care nothing about quality and performance he has great advice. If
> you do care take all he says with a grain of salt.
>
> Never forget, this is a guy who goes to McDonalds, buys two regular
> hamgurgers, unwrapps them, takes them apart and slams them both together
> for his less expensive version of the quarter pounder with cheese so he
> can pocket the savings.
>
>
>
> Need I say more...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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>> I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark Howard
>> update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a financial guru
>> who retired from regular work in his early thirties because of his
>> financial investments and he is extremely frugal. This morning he was
>> discussing HD displays and mentioned that Mitsubishi has a new display
>> technology on the horizon that will rival or surpass the image quality of
>> theaters. He said it won't be out until Christmas of 2007 and is
>> advising his listeners not to shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD
>> display until this new technology hits the market. He then advises that
>> the 1200.00 or less display be moved to a sports or game room. OK,
>> anyone have any idea what the heck he is talking about? 1080P displays
>> are already out. High definition discs are hitting the market this year,
>> so what would improve resolution beyond those two advancements? Is Ultra
>> High Definition coming to the marketplace much sooner than expected
> ?
>> This inquiring mind would really like to know. Comments please.
>> Anthony Rizzuto
>> Orlando, FL
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Aaron W. Thompson wrote:

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> But that would only be a fifth pounder. And no one wants a fifth
> pounder!
> each McDonalds' hamburger is 1/10th of a pound.
>
And the answer is: HE FOOLS HIMSELF!

>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fisher" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
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> Subject: Re: Clark Howard say's don't spend more than 1200 on an HD
> Display unitl 07
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>> If you care nothing about quality and performance he has great
>> advice. If you do care take all he says with a grain of salt.
>>
>> Never forget, this is a guy who goes to McDonalds, buys two regular
>> hamgurgers, unwrapps them, takes them apart and slams them both
>> together for his less expensive version of the quarter pounder with
>> cheese so he can pocket the savings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Need I say more...
>>
>> Richard Fisher
>> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
>> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>>
>> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>> I was listening to the radio on the way in and heard the Clark
>>> Howard update. For those of you who don't know Mr. Howard is a
>>> financial guru who retired from regular work in his early thirties
>>> because of his financial investments and he is extremely frugal.
>>> This morning he was discussing HD displays and mentioned that
>>> Mitsubishi has a new display technology on the horizon that will
>>> rival or surpass the image quality of theaters. He said it won't be
>>> out until Christmas of 2007 and is advising his listeners not to
>>> shell out more than 1200.00 for an HD display until this new
>>> technology hits the market. He then advises that the 1200.00 or
>>> less display be moved to a sports or game room. OK, anyone have any
>>> idea what the heck he is talking about? 1080P displays are already
>>> out. High definition discs are hitting the market this year, so
>>> what would improve resolution beyond those two advancements? Is
>>> Ultra High Definition coming to the marketplace much sooner than
>>> expected
>>
>> ?
>>
>>> This inquiring mind would really like to know. Comments please.
>>> Anthony Rizzuto
>>> Orlando, FL
>>>
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