DirecTV and HDTV tuner cards

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From what I remember reading, it dealt with over-compression and
downrezzing the vertical, not the horizontal.

As far as a source for PS3, try eBay ... there are about 9000 or so
listed there starting at about $1,000. I guess that's the markup for
camping out in front of the local Best Buy for week. That's what, about
10% of the total North American distribution of PS3's for sale on eBay?
And that doesn't count the 55,000 already sold.

So did anyone that camped out actually KEEP their PS3?

For sale (8829):
<http://video-games.search.ebay.com/ps3_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054QQsubmitsearchZSearch>

Already Sold (55,615):
<http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&sacat=62054&fsop=1&sacqyop=ge&sadis=200&submitsearch=Search&from=R10&sargn=-1&sofocus=so&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&saprclo=&fis=2&sacqy=&sbrftog=1&fgtp=&catref=C12&satitle=ps3>

Shane Sturgeon


Thomas B Kemp wrote:
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> I have been hearing DirecTV ads that tout that DirecTV broadcasts in
> 1080i. Since when? Weren't there previous discussions here about
> DirecTV down-rezzing their signal? Was it really down-rezzing and
> severe compression previously or one or the other?
>
> Also, I recently replaced my old 19" PC monitor and a Sony 27" CRT TV
> with a great Sony KDL-V32XBR2 which is a 32" LCD which accepts PC
> input. So, now I have a very uncluttered desk. However, it will only
> do one at a time. There is no capability to show a smaller PIP for
> either input. So, I am thinking about a TV tuner card for the PC that
> would allow me to do this but I have never really researched this
> previously. Are there any HDTV tuner cards that would take either an
> HDMI or component video w/audio input?
>
> BTW, anyone out their with a source for a 60 GIG PS3?
>
> Happy Holidays.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Thomas - HDTV cards don't use receiver style audio or video inputs. Just
like the box they replace, the input is coax from the antenna. The
output comes from the computer video card and sound card. Then you run
a program (BeyondTV in my case) and can watch that program in a window,
which would give you the PIP effect you're looking for.

Jason

Thomas B Kemp wrote:
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> I have been hearing DirecTV ads that tout that DirecTV broadcasts in
> 1080i. Since when? Weren't there previous discussions here about
> DirecTV down-rezzing their signal? Was it really down-rezzing and
> severe compression previously or one or the other?
>
> Also, I recently replaced my old 19" PC monitor and a Sony 27" CRT TV
> with a great Sony KDL-V32XBR2 which is a 32" LCD which accepts PC
> input. So, now I have a very uncluttered desk. However, it will only
> do one at a time. There is no capability to show a smaller PIP for
> either input. So, I am thinking about a TV tuner card for the PC that
> would allow me to do this but I have never really researched this
> previously. Are there any HDTV tuner cards that would take either an
> HDMI or component video w/audio input?
>
> BTW, anyone out their with a source for a 60 GIG PS3?
>
> Happy Holidays.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
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> moments that take our breath away.
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11/27/2006 11:52pm ct

What is the "official term" for the display of a
larger-than-16x9 theater-movie without top/bottom black bars on a
16x9 HD screen? I'm talking about the way it is broadcast (no local
set manipulation).

Robert

At 07:14 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
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>I have been hearing DirecTV ads that tout that DirecTV broadcasts in
>1080i. Since when? Weren't there previous discussions here about
>DirecTV down-rezzing their signal? Was it really down-rezzing and
>severe compression previously or one or the other?
>
>Also, I recently replaced my old 19" PC monitor and a Sony 27" CRT
>TV with a great Sony KDL-V32XBR2 which is a 32" LCD which accepts PC
>input. So, now I have a very uncluttered desk. However, it will
>only do one at a time. There is no capability to show a smaller PIP
>for either input. So, I am thinking about a TV tuner card for the
>PC that would allow me to do this but I have never really researched
>this previously. Are there any HDTV tuner cards that would take
>either an HDMI or component video w/audio input?
>
>BTW, anyone out their with a source for a 60 GIG PS3?
>
>Happy Holidays.
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>
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>moments that take our breath away.
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cropped?

If you fill out a 16:9 screen with a 2.35 source you have cut off the
sides to make it fit.

If you fill out a 16:9 screen with a 4:3 source you have cut off the top
and bottom to make it fit.

That does not include the potential ability to stretch so nothing is
cropped but then you have geometry distortions; short fat people or tall
skinny people.

Richard Fisher
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Robert Wade Brown wrote:
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> 11/27/2006 11:52pm ct
>
> What is the "official term" for the display of a
> larger-than-16x9 theater-movie without top/bottom black bars on a 16x9
> HD screen? I'm talking about the way it is broadcast (no local set
> manipulation).
>
> Robert
>
> At 07:14 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
>
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>>
>> I have been hearing DirecTV ads that tout that DirecTV broadcasts in
>> 1080i. Since when? Weren't there previous discussions here about
>> DirecTV down-rezzing their signal? Was it really down-rezzing and
>> severe compression previously or one or the other?
>>
>> Also, I recently replaced my old 19" PC monitor and a Sony 27" CRT TV
>> with a great Sony KDL-V32XBR2 which is a 32" LCD which accepts PC
>> input. So, now I have a very uncluttered desk. However, it will only
>> do one at a time. There is no capability to show a smaller PIP for
>> either input. So, I am thinking about a TV tuner card for the PC that
>> would allow me to do this but I have never really researched this
>> previously. Are there any HDTV tuner cards that would take either an
>> HDMI or component video w/audio input?
>>
>> BTW, anyone out their with a source for a 60 GIG PS3?
>>
>> Happy Holidays.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
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>> moments that take our breath away.
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11/27/2006 12:55pm ct

Richard,
Yes, but, the original theatrical release was...Laboratory
<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?LAB:DeLuxe>DeLuxe
Film negative format (mm/video inches)
<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?OFM:35%20mm>35 mm
Cinematographic process
<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?PCS:Spherical>Spherical
Printed film format
<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?PFM:35%20mm>35 mm
Aspect ratio
<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchRatios?1.85%20:%201>1.85 : 1
My HD display is 1.78, not 1.85.

So, is there a term for when the film is broadcast with the
top/bottom black bars cropped?

Best,
Robert

At 12:32 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
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>cropped?
>
>If you fill out a 16:9 screen with a 2.35 source you have cut off
>the sides to make it fit.
>
>If you fill out a 16:9 screen with a 4:3 source you have cut off the
>top and bottom to make it fit.
>
>That does not include the potential ability to stretch so nothing is
>cropped but then you have geometry distortions; short fat people or
>tall skinny people.
>
>Richard Fisher
>HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
>Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
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>Robert Wade Brown wrote:
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>>11/27/2006 11:52pm ct
>> What is the "official term" for the display of a
>> larger-than-16x9 theater-movie without top/bottom black bars on a
>> 16x9 HD screen? I'm talking about the way it is broadcast (no
>> local set manipulation).
>>Robert
>>At 07:14 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>>I have been hearing DirecTV ads that tout that DirecTV broadcasts
>>>in 1080i. Since when? Weren't there previous discussions here
>>>about DirecTV down-rezzing their signal? Was it really
>>>down-rezzing and severe compression previously or one or the other?
>>>
>>>Also, I recently replaced my old 19" PC monitor and a Sony 27" CRT
>>>TV with a great Sony KDL-V32XBR2 which is a 32" LCD which accepts
>>>PC input. So, now I have a very uncluttered desk. However, it
>>>will only do one at a time. There is no capability to show a
>>>smaller PIP for either input. So, I am thinking about a TV tuner
>>>card for the PC that would allow me to do this but I have never
>>>really researched this previously. Are there any HDTV tuner cards
>>>that would take either an HDMI or component video w/audio input?
>>>
>>>BTW, anyone out their with a source for a 60 GIG PS3?
>>>
>>>Happy Holidays.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
>>>moments that take our breath away.
>>>
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Can't get those links to work but...

> My HD display is 1.78, not 1.85.

oh... that... Film is 1.85 not 1.78 - that is a newbie from DTV. What
this means to you is if you have no overscan you will get very tiny
black bars top and bottom with 1.85

Sometimes they will crop the edges of the original to make it a 1.78
master for DVD release.

Most folks have enough overscan to hide this fact. If you do see it
there is nothing wrong, it is normal.

What movie is this?

Thanks

Richard Fisher
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Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Robert Wade Brown wrote:
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> 11/27/2006 12:55pm ct
>
> Richard,
> Yes, but, the original theatrical release was...Laboratory
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?LAB:DeLuxe>DeLuxe
> Film negative format (mm/video inches)
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?OFM:35%20mm>35 mm
> Cinematographic process
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?PCS:Spherical>Spherical
>
> Printed film format
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?PFM:35%20mm>35 mm
> Aspect ratio
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchRatios?1.85%20:%201>1.85 : 1
> My HD display is 1.78, not 1.85.
>
> So, is there a term for when the film is broadcast with the
> top/bottom black bars cropped?
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> At 12:32 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
>
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>>
>> cropped?
>>
>> If you fill out a 16:9 screen with a 2.35 source you have cut off the
>> sides to make it fit.
>>
>> If you fill out a 16:9 screen with a 4:3 source you have cut off the
>> top and bottom to make it fit.
>>
>> That does not include the potential ability to stretch so nothing is
>> cropped but then you have geometry distortions; short fat people or
>> tall skinny people.
>>
>> Richard Fisher
>> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
>> Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>>
>> Robert Wade Brown wrote:
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>> 11/27/2006 11:52pm ct
>>> What is the "official term" for the display of a
>>> larger-than-16x9 theater-movie without top/bottom black bars on a
>>> 16x9 HD screen? I'm talking about the way it is broadcast (no local
>>> set manipulation).
>>> Robert
>>> At 07:14 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> I have been hearing DirecTV ads that tout that DirecTV broadcasts in
>>>> 1080i. Since when? Weren't there previous discussions here about
>>>> DirecTV down-rezzing their signal? Was it really down-rezzing and
>>>> severe compression previously or one or the other?
>>>>
>>>> Also, I recently replaced my old 19" PC monitor and a Sony 27" CRT
>>>> TV with a great Sony KDL-V32XBR2 which is a 32" LCD which accepts PC
>>>> input. So, now I have a very uncluttered desk. However, it will
>>>> only do one at a time. There is no capability to show a smaller PIP
>>>> for either input. So, I am thinking about a TV tuner card for the
>>>> PC that would allow me to do this but I have never really researched
>>>> this previously. Are there any HDTV tuner cards that would take
>>>> either an HDMI or component video w/audio input?
>>>>
>>>> BTW, anyone out their with a source for a 60 GIG PS3?
>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
>>>> moments that take our breath away.
>>>>
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I had diner last month in San Francisco with the head of technology for
DirecTV and he advised me that DirecTV is very aware and prepared for
competition to come at them in the form of the Blu Ray and HD DTV disks,
which you all know will offer 1080p. DirecTV will have enough capacity in
the coming year to encode a full 1080 X 1920 matrix as contrasted to the
present 1080 X 1440, which is now what is encoded. DirecTV uses a
statistical multiplexing system that takes total bits available and
allocates them to the many program streams. At times bit requirements are
greater than available bits and thus both softness and blocking can be seen.
This will be overcome and the policy of DirecTV is to overcome all such
limitations as they do recognize with unquestioned clarity that quality
displays are going to reveal all signal provider defects. They do not want a
reputation of being second rate._Dale





From what I remember reading, it dealt with over-compression and
downrezzing the vertical, not the horizontal.

As far as a source for PS3, try eBay ... there are about 9000 or so
listed there starting at about $1,000. I guess that's the markup for
camping out in front of the local Best Buy for week. That's what, about
10% of the total North American distribution of PS3's for sale on eBay?
And that doesn't count the 55,000 already sold.

So did anyone that camped out actually KEEP their PS3?

For sale (8829):
<http://video-games.search.ebay.com/ps3_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsac
atZ62054QQsubmitsearchZSearch>

Already Sold (55,615):
<http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&sacat=62054&fs
op=1&sacqyop=ge&sadis=200&submitsearch=Search&from=R10&sargn=-1&sofocus=so&f
pos=ZIP%2FPostal&saprclo=&fis=2&sacqy=&sbrftog=1&fgtp=&catref=C12&satitle=ps
3>

Shane Sturgeon


Thomas B Kemp wrote:
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> I have been hearing DirecTV ads that tout that DirecTV broadcasts in
> 1080i. Since when? Weren't there previous discussions here about
> DirecTV down-rezzing their signal? Was it really down-rezzing and
> severe compression previously or one or the other?
>
> Also, I recently replaced my old 19" PC monitor and a Sony 27" CRT TV
> with a great Sony KDL-V32XBR2 which is a 32" LCD which accepts PC
> input. So, now I have a very uncluttered desk. However, it will only
> do one at a time. There is no capability to show a smaller PIP for
> either input. So, I am thinking about a TV tuner card for the PC that
> would allow me to do this but I have never really researched this
> previously. Are there any HDTV tuner cards that would take either an
> HDMI or component video w/audio input?
>
> BTW, anyone out their with a source for a 60 GIG PS3?
>
> Happy Holidays.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
> Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
> moments that take our breath away.
>
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Cropping simply removes overscanned portions of the original image. Panning
and scanning follows the activity in the original frame, using only that
portion that will be visible in a smaller aspect ratio window. One of the
best examples of this was from 'Lawrence of Arabia,' where Lawrence appeared
on the extreme left end of the original film frame, and his Bedouin guide
appeared on the extreme right end of the frame. The broadcast television
version of the film could only show one character or the other at any one
time. It looked like the camers kept jumping back and forth between the two
characters when they spoke their lines to each other. Simple cropping of
the film would have resulted in chopping off the two ends of the frame and
showing perhaps two noses conversing with one another.

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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:12 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
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Can't get those links to work but...

> My HD display is 1.78, not 1.85.

oh... that... Film is 1.85 not 1.78 - that is a newbie from DTV. What
this means to you is if you have no overscan you will get very tiny
black bars top and bottom with 1.85

Sometimes they will crop the edges of the original to make it a 1.78
master for DVD release.

Most folks have enough overscan to hide this fact. If you do see it
there is nothing wrong, it is normal.

What movie is this?

Thanks

Richard Fisher
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Robert Wade Brown wrote:
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> 11/27/2006 12:55pm ct
>
> Richard,
> Yes, but, the original theatrical release was...Laboratory
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?LAB:DeLuxe>DeLuxe
> Film negative format (mm/video inches)
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?OFM:35%20mm>35 mm
> Cinematographic process
>
<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?PCS:Spherical>Spherica
l
>
> Printed film format
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchTechnical?PFM:35%20mm>35 mm
> Aspect ratio
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795//SearchRatios?1.85%20:%201>1.85 : 1
> My HD display is 1.78, not 1.85.
>
> So, is there a term for when the film is broadcast with the
> top/bottom black bars cropped?
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> At 12:32 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> cropped?
>>
>> If you fill out a 16:9 screen with a 2.35 source you have cut off the
>> sides to make it fit.
>>
>> If you fill out a 16:9 screen with a 4:3 source you have cut off the
>> top and bottom to make it fit.
>>
>> That does not include the potential ability to stretch so nothing is
>> cropped but then you have geometry distortions; short fat people or
>> tall skinny people.
>>
>> Richard Fisher
>> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
>> Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>>
>> Robert Wade Brown wrote:
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>> 11/27/2006 11:52pm ct
>>> What is the "official term" for the display of a
>>> larger-than-16x9 theater-movie without top/bottom black bars on a
>>> 16x9 HD screen? I'm talking about the way it is broadcast (no local
>>> set manipulation).
>>> Robert
>>> At 07:14 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> I have been hearing DirecTV ads that tout that DirecTV broadcasts in
>>>> 1080i. Since when? Weren't there previous discussions here about
>>>> DirecTV down-rezzing their signal? Was it really down-rezzing and
>>>> severe compression previously or one or the other?
>>>>
>>>> Also, I recently replaced my old 19" PC monitor and a Sony 27" CRT
>>>> TV with a great Sony KDL-V32XBR2 which is a 32" LCD which accepts PC
>>>> input. So, now I have a very uncluttered desk. However, it will
>>>> only do one at a time. There is no capability to show a smaller PIP
>>>> for either input. So, I am thinking about a TV tuner card for the
>>>> PC that would allow me to do this but I have never really researched
>>>> this previously. Are there any HDTV tuner cards that would take
>>>> either an HDMI or component video w/audio input?
>>>>
>>>> BTW, anyone out their with a source for a 60 GIG PS3?
>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
>>>> moments that take our breath away.
>>>>
>>>>
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