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Thanks very much, guys, for your quick and helpful responses.
Brad, I try to watch as little SD as possible, also.
Shane, you are correct...I don't receive my local PHX HD stations from
Direct TV, having heard they were really bad news.
I get them OTA with an indoor Silver Sensor, pre-amp and amp and they are
perfect, except for ABC, even from 35 miles away.
Jim, I'll certainly do more due diligence on Dish.
Thanks again,
Mike
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From: Brad J Krehbiel
Date: 3/6/2007 7:50:08 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Dish Network
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I recieve my HD locals both OTA and from Dish. Last April, when Dish HD
Locals first became available in Kansas City, they were absolutely horrible
- the sound wouldn't sync up, green macroblocking everywhere. Many people
here and in other cities complained, and Dish responded. Today, the PQ on
the Dish locals still can't quite compare to OTA, but it's very close, in
my opinion. I now use them interchangeably to record network shows. They
have made great strides in a year with their MPEG4 encoding, not only with
the HD locals, but with the nationals, also. They are now able to put 6 HD
channels on one transponder using MPEG4, and they look very good on my old
Hitachi CRT RP. Your mileage may vary, especially if you have a large
1080p display.
SD quality on Dish varies all over the map. Some channels are really
pretty good, even blown up to 61". Others, especially fast-action sports,
are not so good. We try to watch as little SD as possible, frankly.
Brad
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Just to clarify:
- "national HD" and "local OTA" are excellent ... does that mean you
don't receive your locals via DirecTV?
- And it's the other 300 analog channels you say are miserable?
Personally, I think the PQ of DirecTV SD is excellent. Their HD is
passable (except for TNT), but still doesn't come close to OTA HD. And
the DirecTV Locals (over-satellite, not over-air) are horrid.
Shane Sturgeon
Michael M. Malkin wrote:
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> TIPS List,
>
> Thanks all for your insights re: cable v. satellite, as well as all of
the
> other fine info we all exchange via this list.
>
> I have the full HD package from DirectTV in the Phoenix/Scottsdale area,
but
> am considering switching to either Cox digital cable or Dish Network
because
> of the miserable SD quality of the Direct TV satellite signal, although
the
> national HD and local OTA digital signals are excellent.
>
> Anybody have an opinion as to their relative merit?
>
> Mike
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Dave Bowling
> Date: 3/5/2007 5:12:57 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Dish Network
>
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>
> Other than the rain fade, my Dish Network signal is far superior to that
of
> Insight Cable in Normal Illinois.
>
> When a rep stopped by to try and sell me cable, I invited him in to take
a
> look at the HD channels available from Dish versus what Insight had to
> offer. He was amazed at the picture quality.
>
> I did take the Broadband service to get away from DSL. The best pricing
> deal includes basic cable. The rep came back to see if my service was
> installed as promised. I invited him back in to compare the difference
> between local HD OTA via antenna with Sony tuner, Local HD OTA via
antenna
> using the DISH VIP receiver and local HD channels via cable with the Sony
> tuner.
>
> Even with compression, Dish wins hands-down compared to our cable
offering.
>
> Move into Normal, and you will learn to dislike cable service in a hurry.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:57 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Dish Network
>
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>
> First of all I have always disliked satellite but would love to join the
> company of others if the service can ever be at least as good as my
> cable which has it's share of problems but far less of them. And as
> always, everybodies mileage varies and I thank my lucky stars that my
> cable is good enough for me to complain about satellite!
>
> I did a calibration the other day with a vip622 and the SD scaling was
> awful with one artifact far worse than we had over 4 years ago.
>
> That was combing of both luminance and chroma creating horizontal
> streaks throughout the image yet the OSD was perfectly clean. I found it
> quite shocking! Any of the new DirecTV HD receivers definitely look
> better for SD.
>
> Another point is the vip622 did not support native scan rates forcing
> all other scan rates to be converted by the receiver removing choice
> from performance enthusiasts. DirecTV receivers have that support.
>
> Regardles of provider, both are choked from a lack of bandwidth whether
> SD or HD. During that calibration a movie from HBO started with a scene
> of kids riding bikes through a field and it looked absolutely awful from
> a lack of bandwidth being unable to keep up with the constant flow of
> changing data with each frame. I can see Dish and DirecTV start to choke
> on shaved bits even with moderate image motion. That is one case where
> my cable is far superior.
>
> Richard Fisher
> ISF and HAA certified
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> Larry Kenney wrote:
>
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>>
>> You really can record three programs in HD at one time with the ViP622,
>> Jack. You
>> can record two HD channels from the satellite tuners and one HD channel
>> from the OTA
>> tuner. I do it all the time.
>>
>> For example, I can record Leno from the NBC HD channel and Letterman
>> from the CBS
>> HD channel off the satellite and Soundstage from the local PBS HD
>> channel from the OTA
>> tuner, all in HD, while simultaneously watching the HD newscast that I
>> recorded earlier. Someone else could also be watching another program in
>> SD that was already recorded
>> on one of the other TV's using the second output of the DVR. So there
>> could actually be
>> THREE HD records and TWO playbacks going on all at once. The 622
>> handles it all
>> without a glitch.
>>
>> Larry
>> SF
>>
>>
>>> Message-ID: <000801c75a92$051229f0$6d01a8c0@toshibauser>
>>> From: "FJ" <
[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: Dish Network
>>> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:09:19 -0600
>>>
>>> Larry,
>>>
>>> I have had a VIP622 for nearly a year myself. I know it can record two
>>> programs at the same time while you are watching a third, but one of
>>> those programs will be in SD. Where do you get the idea it can do a
>>> 4th. You're not smoking something are you?
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Kenney"
<
[email protected]>
>>>
>
>
>>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <
[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Dish Network
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Hugh...
>>>>
>>>> I strongly recommend that your friend gets the ViP-622 with the DVR.
>>>> It'll cost him an extra
>>>> $6.00 a month, but that box works wonders. It can record THREE HD
>>>> programs at once,
>>>> two from the satellite and one from the OTA tuner, and still be
>>>> playing back a fourth program
>>>> off the hard drive that he previously recorded. The EPG is great...
>>>> you can view 7 channels at
>>>> one time, three hours across, and it has information for 9 days. It
>>>> has two separate outputs,
>>>> one HD and one SD, with all kinds of connections... HDMI, component,
>>>> S-video and RF.
>>>>
>>>> I could go on and on, but you get the picture. It's a great box.
>>>> I've had it a year and have
>>>> had no problems with it. The OTA tuner is really good, too... better
>>>> than the one in my Sony
>>>> HDTV.
>>>>
>>>> One note on the dish antenna. The Dish 1000 covers three satellite
>>>> locations, which you
>>>> need to get all of the HD channels, but many have found that signal
>>>> levels can be low if you
>>>> use one. Many, like myself, use two Dish 500 antennas. You get
>>>> better signal levels that way.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>> SF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <000f01c75945$02070b20$0caa4a18@hugh>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Hugh Campbell" <
[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Dish Network
>>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:25:31 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> A friend of mine is finally making the move the HDTV and he
>>>>> currently subscribes to Dish with the basic SD equip. Which box
>>>>> does he need and as I recall he will also need a new dish with three
>>>>> LNB's or whatever? Do you still need two dishes to receive all the
>>>>> channels? He called Dish and they told him he didn't need any new
>>>>> equipment. Ha! Appreciate someone who has Dish Network currently
>>>>> to reply. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hugh
>>>>>
>>>>>
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