Drop dead date now 2/17/09

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Here is an article from the NY Times regarding a compromise cut off date:

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I am really confused about one aspect of this: The ability of cable
systems to downconvert HD programs to analog SD. According to Dale's
article, and the NAB web site the House bill:

> stripping out of the bill's provision that would have permitted cable
> operators to down-convert HDTV signals into a "standard definition"
> signal.

The NY Times article discusses the need for legislation here:

> The conversion to digital signals will not affect consumers who own
> digital television sets or subscribe to satellite services or digital
> cable services. But analysts and cable company executives said
> additional legislation might be required to enable cable companies to
> alter their broadcasting feeds so that the more than 50 million
> customers who subscribe to analog cable services would be unaffected.
>
> The cable companies have sought legislation that would allow them to
> convert digital signals back into analog signals before transmitting
> them into homes, which would be far less expensive than replacing
> set-top boxes in each residence.
>
Note that this NY Times article does not discuss is that cable
legislation WAS stripped out of this bill.

What I really don't understand is why would the broadcasters be against
cable companies downconverting their HD digital signals into NTSC analog
so that people can continue to receive TV without having to have a
converter? Is this a scheme to force cable to pay them money? Or is it
a backdoor attempt to scuttle the transition? I assume that any such
legislation would have the cable system carry the HD signal as well as
the downconverted version.

Dave Hancock

PS: Shane, One of the links in Dale's piece does not work as you have to
have a (paid) subscription to access the article.



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Neither of your conclusions match my understanding of the situation. Why
broadcasters insisted on full carriage of their signal is so they get
something out of the mandated expense they have had in outfitting for
DTV/HDTV. Whether you think broadcasting has gone fast enough or not fast
enough in the transition is immaterial to the fact that they were mandated
to spend billions of dollars on HDTV transmission equipment. You might even
think that it was the broadcasters themselves who voluntarily created the
H/DTV movement and quite appropriately ask why don't they then finish it
without delay or bellyaching? But the truth of the matter is that HDTV was
driven by a small corps of enthusiast and visionaries and the broadcasters
were used by that corps of enthusiasts (include in that the Japanese
government)-- manipulated as it were into position because they were the
only signal providers under the thumb of a government agency (the FCC) who
could force the markets, just as they have. Broadcasters fail to see how the
public is benefited from these expensive new signals mandated by the
government if they are down-converted by their less-regulated transmission
carriage partners back into the same technical level available prior to
those huge investments being made. Considering that 80% of the broadcast
viewers come by way of cable the potential was, prior to the stripping away
of this clause, that 80% of the broadcasters' effort in creating or
distributing H/DTV could go to waste. OK, we know that 25% + of cable subs
now have digital and cable could pass through a digital representation of
the broadcaster's signal, but there was no guarantee that HDTV would be
passed through, though that was given lip service by cable. The cable
industry has resented carrying a signal from broadcasters that could be
broken into sub-channels with each sub-channel being a competitive threat to
the cable industry's own commercial offerings.


Dale



I am really confused about one aspect of this: The ability of cable
systems to downconvert HD programs to analog SD. According to Dale's
article, and the NAB web site the House bill:

> stripping out of the bill's provision that would have permitted cable
> operators to down-convert HDTV signals into a "standard definition"
> signal.

The NY Times article discusses the need for legislation here:

> The conversion to digital signals will not affect consumers who own
> digital television sets or subscribe to satellite services or digital
> cable services. But analysts and cable company executives said
> additional legislation might be required to enable cable companies to
> alter their broadcasting feeds so that the more than 50 million
> customers who subscribe to analog cable services would be unaffected.
>
> The cable companies have sought legislation that would allow them to
> convert digital signals back into analog signals before transmitting
> them into homes, which would be far less expensive than replacing
> set-top boxes in each residence.
>
Note that this NY Times article does not discuss is that cable
legislation WAS stripped out of this bill.

What I really don't understand is why would the broadcasters be against
cable companies downconverting their HD digital signals into NTSC analog
so that people can continue to receive TV without having to have a
converter? Is this a scheme to force cable to pay them money? Or is it
a backdoor attempt to scuttle the transition? I assume that any such
legislation would have the cable system carry the HD signal as well as
the downconverted version.

Dave Hancock

PS: Shane, One of the links in Dale's piece does not work as you have to
have a (paid) subscription to access the article.



M. Shane Sturgeon wrote:

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>Happy Holidays,
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But Dale, what is it that Broadcasters want cable to do:
1) Only carry digital HD signal (as the quotes from NAB would indicate).
1a) Carry ALL digital signals (be they HD, or SD or some combination of
HD & SD) BUT NO ANALOG.
2) Carry BOTH HD signal AND downconverted HD signal (as I would think
would be logical)
2a) (Like 1a) Carry ALL digital signals in digital form PLUS analog
versions of these.
3) Something else - that is not clear (except for my suggestions).

At least at the levels that I read, I've always thought that the idea
that after the transition cable would carry SD versions (in addition to
the HD) for a minum of 5 years. Where did that go?


Dale Cripps wrote:

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>Neither of your conclusions match my understanding of the situation. Why
>broadcasters insisted on full carriage of their signal is so they get
>something out of the mandated expense they have had in outfitting for
>DTV/HDTV. Whether you think broadcasting has gone fast enough or not fast
>enough in the transition is immaterial to the fact that they were mandated
>to spend billions of dollars on HDTV transmission equipment. You might even
>think that it was the broadcasters themselves who voluntarily created the
>H/DTV movement and quite appropriately ask why don't they then finish it
>without delay or bellyaching? But the truth of the matter is that HDTV was
>driven by a small corps of enthusiast and visionaries and the broadcasters
>were used by that corps of enthusiasts (include in that the Japanese
>government)-- manipulated as it were into position because they were the
>only signal providers under the thumb of a government agency (the FCC) who
>could force the markets, just as they have. Broadcasters fail to see how the
>public is benefited from these expensive new signals mandated by the
>government if they are down-converted by their less-regulated transmission
>carriage partners back into the same technical level available prior to
>those huge investments being made. Considering that 80% of the broadcast
>viewers come by way of cable the potential was, prior to the stripping away
>of this clause, that 80% of the broadcasters' effort in creating or
>distributing H/DTV could go to waste. OK, we know that 25% + of cable subs
>now have digital and cable could pass through a digital representation of
>the broadcaster's signal, but there was no guarantee that HDTV would be
>passed through, though that was given lip service by cable. The cable
>industry has resented carrying a signal from broadcasters that could be
>broken into sub-channels with each sub-channel being a competitive threat to
>the cable industry's own commercial offerings.
>
>
>Dale
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>I am really confused about one aspect of this: The ability of cable
>systems to downconvert HD programs to analog SD. According to Dale's
>article, and the NAB web site the House bill:
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>>stripping out of the bill's provision that would have permitted cable
>>operators to down-convert HDTV signals into a "standard definition"
>>signal.
>>
>>
>
>The NY Times article discusses the need for legislation here:
>
>
>
>>The conversion to digital signals will not affect consumers who own
>>digital television sets or subscribe to satellite services or digital
>>cable services. But analysts and cable company executives said
>>additional legislation might be required to enable cable companies to
>>alter their broadcasting feeds so that the more than 50 million
>>customers who subscribe to analog cable services would be unaffected.
>>
>>The cable companies have sought legislation that would allow them to
>>convert digital signals back into analog signals before transmitting
>>them into homes, which would be far less expensive than replacing
>>set-top boxes in each residence.
>>
>>
>>
>Note that this NY Times article does not discuss is that cable
>legislation WAS stripped out of this bill.
>
>What I really don't understand is why would the broadcasters be against
>cable companies downconverting their HD digital signals into NTSC analog
>so that people can continue to receive TV without having to have a
>converter? Is this a scheme to force cable to pay them money? Or is it
>a backdoor attempt to scuttle the transition? I assume that any such
>legislation would have the cable system carry the HD signal as well as
>the downconverted version.
>
>Dave Hancock
>
>PS: Shane, One of the links in Dale's piece does not work as you have to
>have a (paid) subscription to access the article.
>
>
>
>M. Shane Sturgeon wrote:
>
>
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>>http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2005/12/house_passed_a.php
>>
>>Happy Holidays,
>>
>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>
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