Fair Use copying rights being considered for HD DVD and Blu-

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From Yahoo News:


Copying HD DVD and Blu-ray discs may become legal

Jeremy Kirk/ Thu May 24, 7:43 AM ET/

Under a licensing agreement in its final stages, consumers may get the
right to make several legal copies of HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc movies
they've purchased, a concession by the movie industry that may quell
criticism that DRM (digital rights management) technologies are too
restrictive.

The agreement, if supported by movie studios and film companies, could
allow a consumer to make a backup copy in case their original disc is
damaged and another copy for their home media server, said Michael
Ayers, a representative of an industry group that licenses the AACS
(Advanced Access Content System) copy-prevention system.

AACS is used on HD DVD and Blu-ray discs, the new high-definition DVD
formats, to prevent unauthorized copying of the discs.

The concept, called "managed copy," would undercut one the strongest
arguments against DRM technology, which critics say deprives buyers of
their legal right to fair uses such as moving their content to other
digital systems and devices.

The licensing agreement is under negotiation between the AACS Licensing
Adminstrator, which Ayers represents, and companies using AACS
technology, including film makers. AACS LA members include Sony, IBM,
The Walt Disney Co., Warner Bros., and Microsoft.

AACS LA is pushing the studios to support managed copy and offer
consumers the option of making at least one copy, Ayers said.

"We want to be able to maximize the number of movies that are able to be
offered," he said.

The idea is that the content companies could charge a premium according
to how many copies are allowed, Ayers said. It remains a possibility
that consumers, if given the chance to make three copies of "Spider-man
2" could give those copies to their neighbors, which technically would
qualify as low-volume piracy.

But AACS LA believes that movie studios will see higher sales with the
managed copy option, even with the chance it could be abused, Ayers
said. "Studios will have to take that into account when they select
pricing," Ayers said.

On the technology side, a system of servers, run by the studios or third
parties, could enable the authorization of copies. Newly minted discs
could be prevented from further copying by employing DRM technology from
companies such as Microsoft, Ayers said.

AACS LA is now working out what rights studios and film companies would
have under the complex licensing agreement. "We are optimistic that the
studios will see this as a benefit that will drive sales," Ayers said.




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Jason,

Here is another article, with which I agree 100%; he is a great analyst and
knows the subject well, perhaps the only one that matches with my own views
and reports:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA ... l?nid=2705

Having a home server archiving audio and video to feed a wired/wireless
connected house is much more common now than many years ago when CSS was
cracked. At that time, the industry was not prepared to respond to solve
the problem, much less to prepare to the growing legitimate need of a
managed copy for fair use. After so many years, is still not prepared now,
it has done lots of efforts on that regard, but is like saying that they
traveled a mile while sitting on the toy horse of a kids carousel. They are
in square one regarding the actual implementation of a successful model.

Even with AACS, BD+, BD ROM Mark, and the other magical watermarking
inventions for HD, and some of them are quite clever that can even work if
the copy is made with a video camera, we are still in square one.

AACS "protected content" (not the system, as Hollywood eagerly defends) was
cracked a few months ago, and it took a few months at the dinosaur speed of
this industry to decide what to do, and even then, BD+ "will" be released
later this year. Managed copy should have been implemented the first day
Hi-Def DVD was out about this time last year, together with the full suite
of extensions the BD format has beyond AACS, and together with a fully
tested MMC and with a pricing system associated with it, if any, and that is
a subject of a full article I do not have the time or tolerance for the
subject to do.

On that subject, from my own 2007 report:
------------------------------------------------
"BD+ Implementation
In April 07, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment announced they will deliver
new movies on a BD+ enhanced disc by the end of 2007, other studios were
quoted to also be working to use BD+ in the near future for their content.
The implementation of BD+ on Blu-ray discs would permit the run of
encryption software by the player to enable encryption at the single DVD
copy to detect hacking and reject playback if tampering was found, without
affecting other copies owned by other consumers. The extra protection of
BD+ discs would have to be tested on all players to ensure playability
before releasing each title. BD+ was estimated to delay the production of
discs between 1-4 weeks."
-------------------------------------------------

At the beginning I thought that Blu-ray was smart in delaying the full
release of the BD extensions over the basic AACS the competitor HD DVD
format implemented, anticipating the cracking and with the strategy to
demonstrate to Hollywood Studios why they should not side with a format that
only uses AACS as a layer of protection.

Now I believe they are as stupid as the rest. Confirmed when they ignored
the need of managed copy when Blu-ray was launched to avoid delays, when
they were already late. Both subjects became a larger issue, at a time when
is so normal MMC home activity for legitimate purposes. But now they woke
up:

>From my own 2007 report:
----------------------------------------------------
"The BD Association (for Blu-ray) has agreed to adopt the Mandatory Managed
Copy (MMC) feature as a requirement on the format, supported by Microsoft
and Intel for the copying of video, however, to avoid further delays of
Blu-ray, upon the launch of the format the BD Association rejected the
support to iHD as requested by HP, but declared that could be considered for
later."
--------------------------------------------------

It might be too late to be effective on anything, on both formats.



As I always say, the best way to deal with content protection, is actually
not dealing with it, and offer audio and video media at an attractive price
so making a copy would not be worth the effort and the cost. Even at the
few dollars a pop Chinese illegal street market, the approach could be
successful.

But that requires vision, trust on the success of the format, long term
patience to wait for the volume at a lower price to prove itself, agreement
between hardware manufacturers/ content providers/ distributors, and
certainly put the greed attitude to sleep.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jason Burroughs
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:45 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Fair Use copying rights being considered for HD DVD and Blu-Ray

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From Yahoo News:


Copying HD DVD and Blu-ray discs may become legal

Jeremy Kirk/ Thu May 24, 7:43 AM ET/

Under a licensing agreement in its final stages, consumers may get the
right to make several legal copies of HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc movies
they've purchased, a concession by the movie industry that may quell
criticism that DRM (digital rights management) technologies are too
restrictive.

The agreement, if supported by movie studios and film companies, could
allow a consumer to make a backup copy in case their original disc is
damaged and another copy for their home media server, said Michael
Ayers, a representative of an industry group that licenses the AACS
(Advanced Access Content System) copy-prevention system.

AACS is used on HD DVD and Blu-ray discs, the new high-definition DVD
formats, to prevent unauthorized copying of the discs.

The concept, called "managed copy," would undercut one the strongest
arguments against DRM technology, which critics say deprives buyers of
their legal right to fair uses such as moving their content to other
digital systems and devices.

The licensing agreement is under negotiation between the AACS Licensing
Adminstrator, which Ayers represents, and companies using AACS
technology, including film makers. AACS LA members include Sony, IBM,
The Walt Disney Co., Warner Bros., and Microsoft.

AACS LA is pushing the studios to support managed copy and offer
consumers the option of making at least one copy, Ayers said.

"We want to be able to maximize the number of movies that are able to be
offered," he said.

The idea is that the content companies could charge a premium according
to how many copies are allowed, Ayers said. It remains a possibility
that consumers, if given the chance to make three copies of "Spider-man
2" could give those copies to their neighbors, which technically would
qualify as low-volume piracy.

But AACS LA believes that movie studios will see higher sales with the
managed copy option, even with the chance it could be abused, Ayers
said. "Studios will have to take that into account when they select
pricing," Ayers said.

On the technology side, a system of servers, run by the studios or third
parties, could enable the authorization of copies. Newly minted discs
could be prevented from further copying by employing DRM technology from
companies such as Microsoft, Ayers said.

AACS LA is now working out what rights studios and film companies would
have under the complex licensing agreement. "We are optimistic that the
studios will see this as a benefit that will drive sales," Ayers said.




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Help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop sending everyone's individual email. I am signed up for the summary...............

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From: HDTV Magazine on behalf of Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Fri 5/25/2007 7:13 PM
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Cc:
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Jason,

Here is another article, with which I agree 100%; he is a great analyst and
knows the subject well, perhaps the only one that matches with my own views
and reports:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA ... l?nid=2705

Having a home server archiving audio and video to feed a wired/wireless
connected house is much more common now than many years ago when CSS was
cracked. At that time, the industry was not prepared to respond to solve
the problem, much less to prepare to the growing legitimate need of a
managed copy for fair use. After so many years, is still not prepared now,
it has done lots of efforts on that regard, but is like saying that they
traveled a mile while sitting on the toy horse of a kids carousel. They are
in square one regarding the actual implementation of a successful model.

Even with AACS, BD+, BD ROM Mark, and the other magical watermarking
inventions for HD, and some of them are quite clever that can even work if
the copy is made with a video camera, we are still in square one.

AACS "protected content" (not the system, as Hollywood eagerly defends) was
cracked a few months ago, and it took a few months at the dinosaur speed of
this industry to decide what to do, and even then, BD+ "will" be released
later this year. Managed copy should have been implemented the first day
Hi-Def DVD was out about this time last year, together with the full suite
of extensions the BD format has beyond AACS, and together with a fully
tested MMC and with a pricing system associated with it, if any, and that is
a subject of a full article I do not have the time or tolerance for the
subject to do.

On that subject, from my own 2007 report:
------------------------------------------------
"BD+ Implementation
In April 07, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment announced they will deliver
new movies on a BD+ enhanced disc by the end of 2007, other studios were
quoted to also be working to use BD+ in the near future for their content.
The implementation of BD+ on Blu-ray discs would permit the run of
encryption software by the player to enable encryption at the single DVD
copy to detect hacking and reject playback if tampering was found, without
affecting other copies owned by other consumers. The extra protection of
BD+ discs would have to be tested on all players to ensure playability
before releasing each title. BD+ was estimated to delay the production of
discs between 1-4 weeks."
-------------------------------------------------

At the beginning I thought that Blu-ray was smart in delaying the full
release of the BD extensions over the basic AACS the competitor HD DVD
format implemented, anticipating the cracking and with the strategy to
demonstrate to Hollywood Studios why they should not side with a format that
only uses AACS as a layer of protection.

Now I believe they are as stupid as the rest. Confirmed when they ignored
the need of managed copy when Blu-ray was launched to avoid delays, when
they were already late. Both subjects became a larger issue, at a time when
is so normal MMC home activity for legitimate purposes. But now they woke
up:

From my own 2007 report:
----------------------------------------------------
"The BD Association (for Blu-ray) has agreed to adopt the Mandatory Managed
Copy (MMC) feature as a requirement on the format, supported by Microsoft
and Intel for the copying of video, however, to avoid further delays of
Blu-ray, upon the launch of the format the BD Association rejected the
support to iHD as requested by HP, but declared that could be considered for
later."
--------------------------------------------------

It might be too late to be effective on anything, on both formats.



As I always say, the best way to deal with content protection, is actually
not dealing with it, and offer audio and video media at an attractive price
so making a copy would not be worth the effort and the cost. Even at the
few dollars a pop Chinese illegal street market, the approach could be
successful.

But that requires vision, trust on the success of the format, long term
patience to wait for the volume at a lower price to prove itself, agreement
between hardware manufacturers/ content providers/ distributors, and
certainly put the greed attitude to sleep.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jason Burroughs
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:45 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Fair Use copying rights being considered for HD DVD and Blu-Ray

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

From Yahoo News:


Copying HD DVD and Blu-ray discs may become legal

Jeremy Kirk/ Thu May 24, 7:43 AM ET/

Under a licensing agreement in its final stages, consumers may get the
right to make several legal copies of HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc movies
they've purchased, a concession by the movie industry that may quell
criticism that DRM (digital rights management) technologies are too
restrictive.

The agreement, if supported by movie studios and film companies, could
allow a consumer to make a backup copy in case their original disc is
damaged and another copy for their home media server, said Michael
Ayers, a representative of an industry group that licenses the AACS
(Advanced Access Content System) copy-prevention system.

AACS is used on HD DVD and Blu-ray discs, the new high-definition DVD
formats, to prevent unauthorized copying of the discs.

The concept, called "managed copy," would undercut one the strongest
arguments against DRM technology, which critics say deprives buyers of
their legal right to fair uses such as moving their content to other
digital systems and devices.

The licensing agreement is under negotiation between the AACS Licensing
Adminstrator, which Ayers represents, and companies using AACS
technology, including film makers. AACS LA members include Sony, IBM,
The Walt Disney Co., Warner Bros., and Microsoft.

AACS LA is pushing the studios to support managed copy and offer
consumers the option of making at least one copy, Ayers said.

"We want to be able to maximize the number of movies that are able to be
offered," he said.

The idea is that the content companies could charge a premium according
to how many copies are allowed, Ayers said. It remains a possibility
that consumers, if given the chance to make three copies of "Spider-man
2" could give those copies to their neighbors, which technically would
qualify as low-volume piracy.

But AACS LA believes that movie studios will see higher sales with the
managed copy option, even with the chance it could be abused, Ayers
said. "Studios will have to take that into account when they select
pricing," Ayers said.

On the technology side, a system of servers, run by the studios or third
parties, could enable the authorization of copies. Newly minted discs
could be prevented from further copying by employing DRM technology from
companies such as Microsoft, Ayers said.

AACS LA is now working out what rights studios and film companies would
have under the complex licensing agreement. "We are optimistic that the
studios will see this as a benefit that will drive sales," Ayers said.




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I do not see this as news at all. They have been planning this for years
as a "feature" of AACS. And I have it on good authority that it would
have been here already had the resources of the AACS not been on tied up
in dealing with key hacking. But don't get me started on that.

Shane Sturgeon


Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> From Yahoo News:
>
>
> Copying HD DVD and Blu-ray discs may become legal
>
> Jeremy Kirk/ Thu May 24, 7:43 AM ET/
>
> Under a licensing agreement in its final stages, consumers may get the
> right to make several legal copies of HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc movies
> they've purchased, a concession by the movie industry that may quell
> criticism that DRM (digital rights management) technologies are too
> restrictive.
>
> The agreement, if supported by movie studios and film companies, could
> allow a consumer to make a backup copy in case their original disc is
> damaged and another copy for their home media server, said Michael
> Ayers, a representative of an industry group that licenses the AACS
> (Advanced Access Content System) copy-prevention system.
>
> AACS is used on HD DVD and Blu-ray discs, the new high-definition DVD
> formats, to prevent unauthorized copying of the discs.
>
> The concept, called "managed copy," would undercut one the strongest
> arguments against DRM technology, which critics say deprives buyers of
> their legal right to fair uses such as moving their content to other
> digital systems and devices.
>
> The licensing agreement is under negotiation between the AACS
> Licensing Adminstrator, which Ayers represents, and companies using
> AACS technology, including film makers. AACS LA members include Sony,
> IBM, The Walt Disney Co., Warner Bros., and Microsoft.
>
> AACS LA is pushing the studios to support managed copy and offer
> consumers the option of making at least one copy, Ayers said.
>
> "We want to be able to maximize the number of movies that are able to
> be offered," he said.
>
> The idea is that the content companies could charge a premium
> according to how many copies are allowed, Ayers said. It remains a
> possibility that consumers, if given the chance to make three copies
> of "Spider-man 2" could give those copies to their neighbors, which
> technically would qualify as low-volume piracy.
>
> But AACS LA believes that movie studios will see higher sales with the
> managed copy option, even with the chance it could be abused, Ayers
> said. "Studios will have to take that into account when they select
> pricing," Ayers said.
>
> On the technology side, a system of servers, run by the studios or
> third parties, could enable the authorization of copies. Newly minted
> discs could be prevented from further copying by employing DRM
> technology from companies such as Microsoft, Ayers said.
>
> AACS LA is now working out what rights studios and film companies
> would have under the complex licensing agreement. "We are optimistic
> that the studios will see this as a benefit that will drive sales,"
> Ayers said.
>
>
>
>
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