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May we briefly jump back to the original question:
What 50" plasmas have true 1080P inputs, as well as 1080x1920 screen
resolutions?
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:10 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Robert,
Actually they do label display (output) resolutions prominently, the subject
of the discussion is about the "input acceptance resolution".
Would you condone an Isuzu dealer for not putting a spec on the window
sticker saying that "this car does not do 200 Mph or accelerate 0-60 in 3.5
seconds" like the Ferrari across the street?
Manufacturers and sales staff cannot be 100% blamed for the errors people do
when not doing the right research regarding items that are not clear and are
important for the purchase decision. Everyone still has a brain that could
be put to use to ask the right questions in omissions, intentional omissions
or not.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Robert Wade Brown
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: flat panel 1080P
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
11/11/2006 1:15pm ct
It's perfectly obvious to me that manufacturers, for the
most part, do not label their display output and display resolutions
prominently, which they should since the whole point of a display is
the display.
In my view, they are liable for misleading the public.
Best,
Robert
At 03:44 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Richard,
>
>Good point, to make some reflection.
>
>I can see a difference that can justify the situation.
>
>480p, 720p, and 1080i are part of a standard that can be transmitted "AND"
>displayed as they are.
>
>1080p is part of the same standard but the 24fps and 30fps CANNOT be
>displayed without objectionable flicker (too slow).
>
>So accepting 1080p on those two frame rates, that were not used for
consumer
>content (until now with Hi Def DVD), is a feature that could be considered
>unusual in 4Q05, perhaps not now that we have a way to display at that
level
>of P resolution.
>
>In other words, the difference is that any of the 3 formats you mentioned
>are able to be displayed as is, not 1080p (the standard), even if
>transmitted.
>
>I would consider that enough reasoning to offer such feature "as a
>manufacturer choice" to be more competitive but not as a mandate, because
>the frame rate of the display (60) vs. the established standard (24,30) is
>different.
>
>Because it has to be some transformation (video processing) to obtain a
>viewable image, as it would from 480p/720p/1080i if the native rate of the
>display is 1080p.
>
>Looking at the other side of it, one could held accountable the millions of
>STBs out there that are not outputting a 1080p signal, when they have to
>been able to decode any of the 18 formats, including 1080p 24 or 30, if
>anyone would care to broadcast such thing, but logic indicates that we
>should not for practical purposes.
>
>And considering 60fps; accepting 1080p 60fps is out of the expected range
of
>formats, so it becomes part of battle field for "my TV is better that
>yours".
>
>What I consider odd is not that some early models of 1080p TVs do not
accept
>1080p (any frame rate), but that a HiDef player that reads 1080p film
>content from a disc (and you have one of those) is designed not to output
>such rate, even in a year when 1080p displays are the Holy Grail in the
>street. Are you going to take legal action with them as well? They
should
>be first.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine [ mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
>Richard Fisher
>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:55 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Thanks Rodolfo!
>
> > I see not ground for any litigation for false advertising, if you do
you
> > would need to extend that litigation to most of the 1080p set
>manufacturers,
> > they never said "our TVs accept 1080p", people might assume by reading
> > between the lines (and most people do not even know what 1080p
acceptance
> > means), I understand how disappointing could be but I would think one
>would
> > have a hard time in suing anyone by assuming what is not written
>
>My arguement would be...
>
>IF I buy a 480P display it will accept a 480P input, 720P display
>accepts a 720P input and 1080I display accepts 1080I input. It has been
>that way since day one, no? Is that not what is considered ordinary and
>reasonable based upon standard practice for the last 8 years? Does that
>not meet the legal definition of ordinary and reasonable?
>
>If a 1080P display does NOT accept a 1080P input then it only stands to
>reason that it is upon the manufacturer to clearly state such in their
>promotional, advertising and specification materials. LG did not.
>
>And as you point out that pretty much means just about every
>manufacturer would be liable, as they should be!!!
>
>Am I doing good Skip?
>
>Richard Fisher
>HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
>Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > The answer to your question about 1080p acceptance being limited is:
> >
> > Yes. But less limited than last year.
> >
> > And I anticipate that HD DVD and Blu-ray coming soon with 1080p outputs
>will
> > put more pressure on sets with such input.
> >
> > Toshiba for example is suffering that pressure on their newer HD DVD
model
> > coming soon which will output 1080p while the RPTVs introduced at CES
did
> > not yet accept 1080p. On my meeting with them they were very strong at
>CES
> > 2006 on saying that they see no point for that input to be on their TVs.
> >
> > They will have to if they want to remain competitive.
> >
> > Samsung has renewed their 1080p RPTV wobulated lines to now accept 1080p
> > this year.
> >
> > JVC had the position of Toshiba at CES 2006, I told them it was a
mistake,
> > they said nothing is out there with 1080p not even HDMI can pass 1080p
>(and
> > they are wrong on both counts). The bottom line was that later in the
>year
> > they decided to rearrange their announced DILA 1080p RPTV sets and
release
> > them to have 1080p inputs, fortunately they listened, but Toshiba did
not,
> > it was probably too late for them to revise their lines during 2006
before
> > releasing them.
> >
> > 1080p input acceptance is gradually coming, like the massive wave of
HDMI
> > did.
> >
> > Regarding your LG question:
> >
> > The LG you mentioned does not specify the input 1920x1080 60 Hz as P on
>any
> > place (website, brochure, manual). The interlace or progressive
> > specification of the input is left unsaid, and the manual says that such
> > acceptance depends on the card (or something like that), but does not
even
> > indicate if the comment is toward I or p.
> >
> > The bottom line is that this model was introduced 4Q05 and with 1080p
> > "display" resolution, which it does, it was never advertised that it
>ACCEPTS
> > 1080p.
> >
> > I see not ground for any litigation for false advertising, if you do you
> > would need to extend that litigation to most of the 1080p set
>manufacturers,
> > they never said "our TVs accept 1080p", people might assume by reading
> > between the lines (and most people do not even know what 1080p
acceptance
> > means), I understand how disappointing could be but I would think one
>would
> > have a hard time in suing anyone by assuming what is not written.
> >
> > By the way, this set does not have HDMI as you said, it has DVI-D with
>HDCP,
> > so you would have to find an alternative connection for the audio to the
>TV.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Rodolfo La Maestra
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine [ mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf
Of
> > Richard Fisher
> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:52 AM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Thanks for the 2 models so far.
> >
> > Is 1080P input still highly limited?
> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> > Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
> >
> > Kevin Miller wrote:
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>I couldn't resist chiming in here. The PRO-FHD1 is an awesome panel. I
> >
> > just
> >
> >>calibrated another one yesterday. The Color Management System allows you
> >
> > to
> >
> >>fix the primary and secondary colors, and the grayscale accuracy is
> >>excellent. However, as I demonstrated to my client the 3:3 pull-down or
> >
> > 72hz
> >
> >>feature doesn't work well at all. If you look at the opening sequence of
> >>"Star Trek: Insurrection" and engage it the Jutter is reduced or
> >
> > eliminated,
> >
> >>but vertical objects like the buildings shake intensely. So the
artifacts
> >>that it introduces are far worse than the Jutter it eliminates. This has
> >>been the case with all the Pioneer Elites that have this feature since
it
> >>was introduced a couple of years ago.
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Kevin Miller
> >>ISFTV
> >>Phone: 718-274-0236
> >>Email: [email protected]
> >>Web Site: www.ISFTV.COM
> >>Founding Imaging Science Foundation Member since 1994
> >>Industry Consultant ~ ISF Instructor
> >>Contributing Editor to CNET.COM, & AVRev.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of
> >>Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:38 AM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Richard,
> >>
> >>You would also appreciate that the plasma Jeff mentioned below from
> >
> > Pioneer
> >
> >>Elite accepts 1080p but also as 24fps, and displays the image as 72fps
> >
> > doing
> >
> >>3:3 pulldown, a feature that almost no one else (except some front
> >>projectors) dear to claim.
> >>
> >>This feature is perfect for HD DVD/Blu-ray players that might eventually
> >
> > be
> >
> >>capable to output 1080p at 24fps (not just 60fps) without any kind of
> >>processing directly from the disc (for film content of course), as the
> >>Pioneer Elite player was planned to eventually do.
> >>
> >>If you care for 1080p panels larger than 50" the Panny 65" inches just
> >
> > came
> >
> >>out for about $8K MSRP could fit the 1080p shoes as well. Although this
> >>panel does not have the ISF functionality of the Elite.
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine [ mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf
Of
> >>Jeff Odell
> >>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:55 PM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Pioneer has a 50" plasma that fits your requirements. The MSRP was
> >>$10000 but seems to have recently dropped to $7995. The model number
> >>is PRO-FHD1. You will appreciate that this TV has an ISF CCC
> >>calibration mode.
> >>
> >>This is a beautiful TV. I am currently lusting over it while saving
> >>my pennies. Soon...my precious. :')
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_3100697
3
> >
> >>1_290043890,00.html?compName=PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent
> >>
> >>Watch for line wrap in that URL.
> >>
> >>Jeff
> >>
> >>On 11/9/06, Richard Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Tipsters,
> >>>
> >>>Are there any 1080P flat panel displays in the 50" size range on the
> >>>market that accept a 1080P HDMI input?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>>
> >>>Richard Fisher
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May we briefly jump back to the original question:
What 50" plasmas have true 1080P inputs, as well as 1080x1920 screen
resolutions?
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:10 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Robert,
Actually they do label display (output) resolutions prominently, the subject
of the discussion is about the "input acceptance resolution".
Would you condone an Isuzu dealer for not putting a spec on the window
sticker saying that "this car does not do 200 Mph or accelerate 0-60 in 3.5
seconds" like the Ferrari across the street?
Manufacturers and sales staff cannot be 100% blamed for the errors people do
when not doing the right research regarding items that are not clear and are
important for the purchase decision. Everyone still has a brain that could
be put to use to ask the right questions in omissions, intentional omissions
or not.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Robert Wade Brown
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: flat panel 1080P
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
11/11/2006 1:15pm ct
It's perfectly obvious to me that manufacturers, for the
most part, do not label their display output and display resolutions
prominently, which they should since the whole point of a display is
the display.
In my view, they are liable for misleading the public.
Best,
Robert
At 03:44 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Richard,
>
>Good point, to make some reflection.
>
>I can see a difference that can justify the situation.
>
>480p, 720p, and 1080i are part of a standard that can be transmitted "AND"
>displayed as they are.
>
>1080p is part of the same standard but the 24fps and 30fps CANNOT be
>displayed without objectionable flicker (too slow).
>
>So accepting 1080p on those two frame rates, that were not used for
consumer
>content (until now with Hi Def DVD), is a feature that could be considered
>unusual in 4Q05, perhaps not now that we have a way to display at that
level
>of P resolution.
>
>In other words, the difference is that any of the 3 formats you mentioned
>are able to be displayed as is, not 1080p (the standard), even if
>transmitted.
>
>I would consider that enough reasoning to offer such feature "as a
>manufacturer choice" to be more competitive but not as a mandate, because
>the frame rate of the display (60) vs. the established standard (24,30) is
>different.
>
>Because it has to be some transformation (video processing) to obtain a
>viewable image, as it would from 480p/720p/1080i if the native rate of the
>display is 1080p.
>
>Looking at the other side of it, one could held accountable the millions of
>STBs out there that are not outputting a 1080p signal, when they have to
>been able to decode any of the 18 formats, including 1080p 24 or 30, if
>anyone would care to broadcast such thing, but logic indicates that we
>should not for practical purposes.
>
>And considering 60fps; accepting 1080p 60fps is out of the expected range
of
>formats, so it becomes part of battle field for "my TV is better that
>yours".
>
>What I consider odd is not that some early models of 1080p TVs do not
accept
>1080p (any frame rate), but that a HiDef player that reads 1080p film
>content from a disc (and you have one of those) is designed not to output
>such rate, even in a year when 1080p displays are the Holy Grail in the
>street. Are you going to take legal action with them as well? They
should
>be first.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine [ mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
>Richard Fisher
>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:55 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Thanks Rodolfo!
>
> > I see not ground for any litigation for false advertising, if you do
you
> > would need to extend that litigation to most of the 1080p set
>manufacturers,
> > they never said "our TVs accept 1080p", people might assume by reading
> > between the lines (and most people do not even know what 1080p
acceptance
> > means), I understand how disappointing could be but I would think one
>would
> > have a hard time in suing anyone by assuming what is not written
>
>My arguement would be...
>
>IF I buy a 480P display it will accept a 480P input, 720P display
>accepts a 720P input and 1080I display accepts 1080I input. It has been
>that way since day one, no? Is that not what is considered ordinary and
>reasonable based upon standard practice for the last 8 years? Does that
>not meet the legal definition of ordinary and reasonable?
>
>If a 1080P display does NOT accept a 1080P input then it only stands to
>reason that it is upon the manufacturer to clearly state such in their
>promotional, advertising and specification materials. LG did not.
>
>And as you point out that pretty much means just about every
>manufacturer would be liable, as they should be!!!
>
>Am I doing good Skip?
>
>Richard Fisher
>HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
>Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > The answer to your question about 1080p acceptance being limited is:
> >
> > Yes. But less limited than last year.
> >
> > And I anticipate that HD DVD and Blu-ray coming soon with 1080p outputs
>will
> > put more pressure on sets with such input.
> >
> > Toshiba for example is suffering that pressure on their newer HD DVD
model
> > coming soon which will output 1080p while the RPTVs introduced at CES
did
> > not yet accept 1080p. On my meeting with them they were very strong at
>CES
> > 2006 on saying that they see no point for that input to be on their TVs.
> >
> > They will have to if they want to remain competitive.
> >
> > Samsung has renewed their 1080p RPTV wobulated lines to now accept 1080p
> > this year.
> >
> > JVC had the position of Toshiba at CES 2006, I told them it was a
mistake,
> > they said nothing is out there with 1080p not even HDMI can pass 1080p
>(and
> > they are wrong on both counts). The bottom line was that later in the
>year
> > they decided to rearrange their announced DILA 1080p RPTV sets and
release
> > them to have 1080p inputs, fortunately they listened, but Toshiba did
not,
> > it was probably too late for them to revise their lines during 2006
before
> > releasing them.
> >
> > 1080p input acceptance is gradually coming, like the massive wave of
HDMI
> > did.
> >
> > Regarding your LG question:
> >
> > The LG you mentioned does not specify the input 1920x1080 60 Hz as P on
>any
> > place (website, brochure, manual). The interlace or progressive
> > specification of the input is left unsaid, and the manual says that such
> > acceptance depends on the card (or something like that), but does not
even
> > indicate if the comment is toward I or p.
> >
> > The bottom line is that this model was introduced 4Q05 and with 1080p
> > "display" resolution, which it does, it was never advertised that it
>ACCEPTS
> > 1080p.
> >
> > I see not ground for any litigation for false advertising, if you do you
> > would need to extend that litigation to most of the 1080p set
>manufacturers,
> > they never said "our TVs accept 1080p", people might assume by reading
> > between the lines (and most people do not even know what 1080p
acceptance
> > means), I understand how disappointing could be but I would think one
>would
> > have a hard time in suing anyone by assuming what is not written.
> >
> > By the way, this set does not have HDMI as you said, it has DVI-D with
>HDCP,
> > so you would have to find an alternative connection for the audio to the
>TV.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Rodolfo La Maestra
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine [ mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf
Of
> > Richard Fisher
> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:52 AM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Thanks for the 2 models so far.
> >
> > Is 1080P input still highly limited?
> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> > Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
> >
> > Kevin Miller wrote:
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>I couldn't resist chiming in here. The PRO-FHD1 is an awesome panel. I
> >
> > just
> >
> >>calibrated another one yesterday. The Color Management System allows you
> >
> > to
> >
> >>fix the primary and secondary colors, and the grayscale accuracy is
> >>excellent. However, as I demonstrated to my client the 3:3 pull-down or
> >
> > 72hz
> >
> >>feature doesn't work well at all. If you look at the opening sequence of
> >>"Star Trek: Insurrection" and engage it the Jutter is reduced or
> >
> > eliminated,
> >
> >>but vertical objects like the buildings shake intensely. So the
artifacts
> >>that it introduces are far worse than the Jutter it eliminates. This has
> >>been the case with all the Pioneer Elites that have this feature since
it
> >>was introduced a couple of years ago.
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Kevin Miller
> >>ISFTV
> >>Phone: 718-274-0236
> >>Email: [email protected]
> >>Web Site: www.ISFTV.COM
> >>Founding Imaging Science Foundation Member since 1994
> >>Industry Consultant ~ ISF Instructor
> >>Contributing Editor to CNET.COM, & AVRev.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of
> >>Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:38 AM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Richard,
> >>
> >>You would also appreciate that the plasma Jeff mentioned below from
> >
> > Pioneer
> >
> >>Elite accepts 1080p but also as 24fps, and displays the image as 72fps
> >
> > doing
> >
> >>3:3 pulldown, a feature that almost no one else (except some front
> >>projectors) dear to claim.
> >>
> >>This feature is perfect for HD DVD/Blu-ray players that might eventually
> >
> > be
> >
> >>capable to output 1080p at 24fps (not just 60fps) without any kind of
> >>processing directly from the disc (for film content of course), as the
> >>Pioneer Elite player was planned to eventually do.
> >>
> >>If you care for 1080p panels larger than 50" the Panny 65" inches just
> >
> > came
> >
> >>out for about $8K MSRP could fit the 1080p shoes as well. Although this
> >>panel does not have the ISF functionality of the Elite.
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine [ mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf
Of
> >>Jeff Odell
> >>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:55 PM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: flat panel 1080P
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Pioneer has a 50" plasma that fits your requirements. The MSRP was
> >>$10000 but seems to have recently dropped to $7995. The model number
> >>is PRO-FHD1. You will appreciate that this TV has an ISF CCC
> >>calibration mode.
> >>
> >>This is a beautiful TV. I am currently lusting over it while saving
> >>my pennies. Soon...my precious. :')
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_3100697
3
> >
> >>1_290043890,00.html?compName=PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent
> >>
> >>Watch for line wrap in that URL.
> >>
> >>Jeff
> >>
> >>On 11/9/06, Richard Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
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> >>>Are there any 1080P flat panel displays in the 50" size range on the
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> >>>
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