HD Camcorder & My HDTV

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Jeff,

Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well, all declared HD. They use
MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in the summer of 2003.

Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04, HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free from the web site), and the
newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143 of the 2006 report.

In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast professional models (also on the
2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the HDC-1500 portable ($90K) with true
1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).

The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
count.

Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike jack and the zoom ring, both
present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good feature is that it has HDMI
out.

There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution (PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jeff Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


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I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
on-line sites.

I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred to
as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI. Since
the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?

I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record. I've
been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is used
by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something called
DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That format
is described as 'easier' to edit.

Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
specifically, the HDR-HC3?

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Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your participation
here.

That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the
1920x1080 professional models.

I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers seem
to the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even improve
zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion
/contradiction with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.

I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see it)
about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on my
Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the displayed
image when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?

Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:

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>
>Jeff,
>
>Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well, all declared HD. They use
>MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in the summer of 2003.
>
>Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04, HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free from the web site), and the
>newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143 of the 2006 report.
>
>In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast professional models (also on the
>2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the HDC-1500 portable ($90K) with true
>1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>
>The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>count.
>
>Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike jack and the zoom ring, both
>present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good feature is that it has HDMI
>out.
>
>There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution (PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Jeff Bradley
>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>
>
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>
>I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>on-line sites.
>
>I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred to
>as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI. Since
>the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>
>I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record. I've
>been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is used
>by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something called
>DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That format
>is described as 'easier' to edit.
>
>Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>specifically, the HDR-HC3?
>
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While you guys are talking about camcorders why is it that Mini DV
camcorders have a USB port when only firewire will work?

Hugh



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Bradley" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your participation
> here.
>
> That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
> that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the 1920x1080
> professional models.
>
> I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers seem to
> the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even improve
> zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion /contradiction
> with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.
>
> I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see it)
> about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on my
> Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the displayed image
> when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
>
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>>
>>Jeff,
>>
>>Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well, all
>>declared HD. They use
>>MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in the
>>summer of 2003.
>>
>>Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04,
>>HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>>those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free
>>from the web site), and the
>>newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143 of the
>>2006 report.
>>
>>In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast
>>professional models (also on the
>>2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the HDC-1500
>>portable ($90K) with true
>>1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>>
>>The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but
>>actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>>count.
>>
>>Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike
>>jack and the zoom ring, both
>>present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good
>>feature is that it has HDMI
>>out.
>>
>>There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution
>>(PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Jeff Bradley
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>>Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>>under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>>on-line sites.
>>
>>I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred to
>>as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>>of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>>The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI. Since
>>the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>>expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>>
>>I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record. I've
>>been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>>different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>>MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is used
>>by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>>those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>>again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something called
>>DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That format
>>is described as 'easier' to edit.
>>
>>Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>>specifically, the HDR-HC3?
>>
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I've taken several downloads from HDNet that are in WMV HD format at
1440x1080P and burned them in the HD DVD format so I can play them on my HD
DVD player. The picture is fine and fills the screen in that case. It is
also more resolution than DirecTV since they downrez all their 1920x1080i HD
channels to 1280x1080i.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Campbell" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


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>
> While you guys are talking about camcorders why is it that Mini DV
> camcorders have a USB port when only firewire will work?
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Bradley" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your participation
>> here.
>>
>> That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
>> that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the 1920x1080
>> professional models.
>>
>> I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers seem
>> to the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even improve
>> zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion /contradiction
>> with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.
>>
>> I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see it)
>> about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on my
>> Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the displayed
>> image when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>>Jeff,
>>>
>>>Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well, all
>>>declared HD. They use
>>>MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in the
>>>summer of 2003.
>>>
>>>Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04,
>>>HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>>>those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free
>>>from the web site), and the
>>>newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143 of
>>>the 2006 report.
>>>
>>>In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast
>>>professional models (also on the
>>>2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the HDC-1500
>>>portable ($90K) with true
>>>1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>>>
>>>The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but
>>>actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>>>count.
>>>
>>>Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike
>>>jack and the zoom ring, both
>>>present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good
>>>feature is that it has HDMI
>>>out.
>>>
>>>There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution
>>>(PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>
>>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>Jeff Bradley
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>>>Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>>>under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>>>on-line sites.
>>>
>>>I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred to
>>>as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>>>of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>>>The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI. Since
>>>the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>>>expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>>>
>>>I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record. I've
>>>been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>>>different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>>>MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is used
>>>by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>>>those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>>>again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something called
>>>DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That format
>>>is described as 'easier' to edit.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>>>specifically, the HDR-HC3?
>>>
>>>To unsubscribe please click: [email protected]
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Hugh, I was curious about that as well. Here is list of inputs/outputs
from the SonyStyle site:
LANC Terminal: Yes (Stereo Mini)
Analog Audio/Video Input(s): N/A
Analog Audio/Video Output(s): Yes (Multi A/V)
Digital Audio/Video Input(s): Yes (via i.LINK

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Jeff,

I trust you have your "pillar box" question answered - but if not, the
Sony HDV based camcorders use rectangular pixels, so on playback the
1440 pixels are mapped ("upconverted", shall we say) to 1920.

As I understand it from HDV pros, the real limitation here is the MPEG-2
spec for HDV. There are 2 formats: HD1 and HD2, (720p and 1080i
respectively). The latter is limited to the 1440 pixels to meet the
25Mbps capability of the DV tape. So, any 1080i HDV camcorder will have
that limitation. This includes the Sony HVR-Z1 (semi) professional
camcorder. Incidentally, HD1 is for 720p and it supports the normal full
720p resolution (1280). JVC camcorders are following this route.

So how good is 1440x1080i? HBO is currently running a documentary
"Baghdad ER" that was shot on HDV with the Sony HVR-Z1 camcorder. It
looked damn good (and gory) to me!


Jeff Bradley wrote:
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>
> Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your
> participation here.
>
> That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
> that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the
> 1920x1080 professional models.
>
> I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers
> seem to the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even
> improve zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion
> /contradiction with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.
>
> I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see
> it) about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on
> my Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the
> displayed image when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well,
>> all declared HD. They use
>> MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in
>> the summer of 2003.
>>
>> Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04,
>> HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>> those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report
>> (free from the web site), and the
>> newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143
>> of the 2006 report.
>>
>> In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast
>> professional models (also on the
>> 2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the
>> HDC-1500 portable ($90K) with true
>> 1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>>
>> The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but
>> actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>> count.
>>
>> Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the
>> mike jack and the zoom ring, both
>> present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good
>> feature is that it has HDMI
>> out.
>>
>> There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution
>> (PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Jeff Bradley
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>> Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>> under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>> on-line sites.
>>
>> I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred to
>> as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>> of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>> The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI. Since
>> the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>> expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>>
>> I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record. I've
>> been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>> different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>> MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is used
>> by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>> those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>> again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something called
>> DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That format
>> is described as 'easier' to edit.
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>> specifically, the HDR-HC3?
>>
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Ulead Movie Factory 5 works very well to put video in the HD DVD format.
That is what I used for my HDNet clips. Then after MF5 does it's thing I use
Nero to burn to disc. I just have to add a blank Video_TS.vob file to the
video folder and it will play on the HD DVD player complete with menus. It
should be an excellent solution for home made HD videos. The firewire
connection should work very well in getting the video to the PC. The few
times I tried it with a friends camera it worked flawlessly the first time I
tried it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Bradley" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hugh, I was curious about that as well. Here is list of inputs/outputs
> from the SonyStyle site:
> LANC Terminal: Yes (Stereo Mini)
> Analog Audio/Video Input(s): N/A
> Analog Audio/Video Output(s): Yes (Multi A/V)
> Digital Audio/Video Input(s): Yes (via i.LINK

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Hugh,

Have you tried taking digital photos with your camcorder and transfer them as files to your PC using
the USB connection?

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Hugh Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:25 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


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While you guys are talking about camcorders why is it that Mini DV
camcorders have a USB port when only firewire will work?

Hugh



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Bradley" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your participation
> here.
>
> That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
> that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the 1920x1080
> professional models.
>
> I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers seem to
> the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even improve
> zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion /contradiction
> with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.
>
> I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see it)
> about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on my
> Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the displayed image
> when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Jeff,
>>
>>Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well, all
>>declared HD. They use
>>MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in the
>>summer of 2003.
>>
>>Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04,
>>HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>>those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free
>>from the web site), and the
>>newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143 of the
>>2006 report.
>>
>>In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast
>>professional models (also on the
>>2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the HDC-1500
>>portable ($90K) with true
>>1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>>
>>The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but
>>actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>>count.
>>
>>Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike
>>jack and the zoom ring, both
>>present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good
>>feature is that it has HDMI
>>out.
>>
>>There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution
>>(PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Jeff Bradley
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>>Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>>under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>>on-line sites.
>>
>>I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred to
>>as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>>of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>>The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI. Since
>>the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>>expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>>
>>I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record. I've
>>been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>>different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>>MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is used
>>by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>>those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>>again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something called
>>DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That format
>>is described as 'easier' to edit.
>>
>>Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>>specifically, the HDR-HC3?
>>
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Thanks Jeff, but I still don't understand why they have USB outputs on the
cameras when only firewire will work properly. They all have firewire
outputs but USB seems useless from what I have read. My computer has USB
but I don't think I've had a PC with a firewire input. Strange, especially
at 1.1.

Hugh


----- Original Message -----
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To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hugh, I was curious about that as well. Here is list of inputs/outputs
> from the SonyStyle site:
> LANC Terminal: Yes (Stereo Mini)
> Analog Audio/Video Input(s): N/A
> Analog Audio/Video Output(s): Yes (Multi A/V)
> Digital Audio/Video Input(s): Yes (via i.LINK

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Rodolfo,

No I never take photos with my camcorder, is that the reason for the USB
output?

Regards,
Hugh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hugh,
>
> Have you tried taking digital photos with your camcorder and transfer them
> as files to your PC using
> the USB connection?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:25 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> While you guys are talking about camcorders why is it that Mini DV
> camcorders have a USB port when only firewire will work?
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Bradley" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your participation
>> here.
>>
>> That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
>> that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the 1920x1080
>> professional models.
>>
>> I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers seem
>> to
>> the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even improve
>> zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion /contradiction
>> with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.
>>
>> I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see it)
>> about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on my
>> Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the displayed
>> image
>> when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Jeff,
>>>
>>>Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well, all
>>>declared HD. They use
>>>MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in the
>>>summer of 2003.
>>>
>>>Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04,
>>>HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>>>those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free
>>>from the web site), and the
>>>newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143 of
>>>the
>>>2006 report.
>>>
>>>In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast
>>>professional models (also on the
>>>2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the HDC-1500
>>>portable ($90K) with true
>>>1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>>>
>>>The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but
>>>actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>>>count.
>>>
>>>Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike
>>>jack and the zoom ring, both
>>>present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good
>>>feature is that it has HDMI
>>>out.
>>>
>>>There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution
>>>(PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>
>>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>Jeff Bradley
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>>>Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>>>under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>>>on-line sites.
>>>
>>>I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred to
>>>as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>>>of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>>>The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI. Since
>>>the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>>>expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>>>
>>>I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record. I've
>>>been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>>>different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>>>MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is used
>>>by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>>>those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>>>again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something called
>>>DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That format
>>>is described as 'easier' to edit.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>>>specifically, the HDR-HC3?
>>>
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Hugh - yes, typically USB is so that your computer recognizes the flash
memory that your camcorder has as a 'mass storage device' and gives it a
drive letter - not for video, but for still pictures.

jason

Hugh Campbell wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Rodolfo,
>
> No I never take photos with my camcorder, is that the reason for the
> USB output?
>
> Regards,
> Hugh
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV
> Magazine" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> Have you tried taking digital photos with your camcorder and transfer
>> them as files to your PC using
>> the USB connection?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Hugh Campbell
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:25 PM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> While you guys are talking about camcorders why is it that Mini DV
>> camcorders have a USB port when only firewire will work?
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Bradley" <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your participation
>>> here.
>>>
>>> That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
>>> that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the
>>> 1920x1080
>>> professional models.
>>>
>>> I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers
>>> seem to
>>> the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even improve
>>> zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion
>>> /contradiction
>>> with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.
>>>
>>> I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see it)
>>> about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on my
>>> Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the displayed
>>> image
>>> when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?
>>>
>>> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as
>>>> well, all
>>>> declared HD. They use
>>>> MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony
>>>> in the
>>>> summer of 2003.
>>>>
>>>> Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04,
>>>> HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>>>> those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free
>>>> from the web site), and the
>>>> newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143
>>>> of the
>>>> 2006 report.
>>>>
>>>> In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast
>>>> professional models (also on the
>>>> 2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the
>>>> HDC-1500
>>>> portable ($90K) with true
>>>> 1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>>>>
>>>> The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but
>>>> actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>>>> count.
>>>>
>>>> Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike
>>>> jack and the zoom ring, both
>>>> present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good
>>>> feature is that it has HDMI
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution
>>>> (PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: HDTV Magazine On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Jeff Bradley
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>>> Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>>>> Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>>>> under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>>>> on-line sites.
>>>>
>>>> I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being
>>>> referred to
>>>> as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>>>> of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>>>> The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI.
>>>> Since
>>>> the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>>>> expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>>>>
>>>> I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record.
>>>> I've
>>>> been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>>>> different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>>>> MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is
>>>> used
>>>> by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>>>> those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>>>> again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something
>>>> called
>>>> DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That
>>>> format
>>>> is described as 'easier' to edit.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>>>> specifically, the HDR-HC3?
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe please click: [email protected]
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Hugh,

You did not mention the camera you have and the capabilities.

But assuming the general:

Many cameras do not like to be connected to a PC with the USB cable without first installing the USB
driver compatible with the camera. That might be the reason your USB connection does not work.

Some setups with multiple USB jacks in parallel might not be friendly to the camera, try to connect
just the USB you need while you finish with the camera work.

Using the USB connection to digitally transfer stills photos recorded in tape or on a memory stick
is normal, but using it for movies might (or I should say WILL) be jumpy, in such case switch to the
1394 connection, it never fails, and we are only talking NTSC, imagine HD video.

When you are capturing video with editing software running on your PC/laptop it is always better to
use 1394. The digital AVI file created in the capture mode would be jumpy with missing frames if the
internal HDD is under 7200 RPM and you are not using 1394.

In such case, if the internal drive is 5400 RPM for example, take the AVI function out by storing
the AVI digital file with the capture function on a fast external drive which MUST be connected with
1394 to the PC.

Since your camera is also 1394 and it supposed to be connected to the same PC while you capture, you
would need two 1394 jacks on that PC, one used to connect to the camera, one to the external HDD.
If the PC has only one 1394 connector (like many laptops) buy an adapter for the 3 pieces to be
connected simultaneously, if the PC is a laptop you can also buy a PCMCIA card with 2 or 3 1394
jacks for $30-$70.

Using 1394 and external drives is the best formula when the PC is not modern.

I hope this clears the issue.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:54 PM
To: HDTV Magazine; [email protected]
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


Rodolfo,

No I never take photos with my camcorder, is that the reason for the USB
output?

Regards,
Hugh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hugh,
>
> Have you tried taking digital photos with your camcorder and transfer them
> as files to your PC using
> the USB connection?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:25 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> While you guys are talking about camcorders why is it that Mini DV
> camcorders have a USB port when only firewire will work?
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Bradley" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your participation
>> here.
>>
>> That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
>> that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the 1920x1080
>> professional models.
>>
>> I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers seem
>> to
>> the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even improve
>> zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion /contradiction
>> with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.
>>
>> I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see it)
>> about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on my
>> Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the displayed
>> image
>> when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Jeff,
>>>
>>>Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well, all
>>>declared HD. They use
>>>MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in the
>>>summer of 2003.
>>>
>>>Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04,
>>>HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>>>those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free
>>>from the web site), and the
>>>newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143 of
>>>the
>>>2006 report.
>>>
>>>In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast
>>>professional models (also on the
>>>2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the HDC-1500
>>>portable ($90K) with true
>>>1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>>>
>>>The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but
>>>actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>>>count.
>>>
>>>Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike
>>>jack and the zoom ring, both
>>>present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good
>>>feature is that it has HDMI
>>>out.
>>>
>>>There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution
>>>(PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>
>>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>Jeff Bradley
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>>>Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>>>under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>>>on-line sites.
>>>
>>>I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred to
>>>as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>>>of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>>>The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI. Since
>>>the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>>>expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>>>
>>>I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record. I've
>>>been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>>>different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>>>MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is used
>>>by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>>>those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>>>again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something called
>>>DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That format
>>>is described as 'easier' to edit.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>>>specifically, the HDR-HC3?
>>>
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Jason, thanks that is what I needed to know.
Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hugh - yes, typically USB is so that your computer recognizes the flash
> memory that your camcorder has as a 'mass storage device' and gives it a
> drive letter - not for video, but for still pictures.
>
> jason
>
> Hugh Campbell wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Rodolfo,
>>
>> No I never take photos with my camcorder, is that the reason for the USB
>> output?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine"
>> <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Hugh,
>>>
>>> Have you tried taking digital photos with your camcorder and transfer
>>> them as files to your PC using
>>> the USB connection?
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>> Hugh Campbell
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:25 PM
>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> While you guys are talking about camcorders why is it that Mini DV
>>> camcorders have a USB port when only firewire will work?
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jeff Bradley" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>>
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Thanks Rodolfo... I am among the many who appreciate your participation
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> That 1440x1080 description that I saw was written as "it's always been
>>>> that way for consumer HD camcorders". I won't be jumping to the
>>>> 1920x1080
>>>> professional models.
>>>>
>>>> I did read about the loss of the mic jack and zoom ring (reviewers seem
>>>> to
>>>> the the menu zoom is not that difficult to use and may even improve
>>>> zooming results). There does seem to be a little confusion
>>>> /contradiction
>>>> with the low-light capability of the HC3 versus the HC1.
>>>>
>>>> I am still curious (apologize if you explained this and I can't see it)
>>>> about the 'pillar-box' question for this 1440x1080 resolution on my
>>>> Toshiba 1080i RPTV. Will there be bars on the sides of the displayed
>>>> image
>>>> when outputting directly from the camera to the tv?
>>>>
>>>> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sony has been using the 1440x1080 concept on previous models as well,
>>>>> all
>>>>> declared HD. They use
>>>>> MPEG-2 with the HDV format initiated by Canon, JVC, Sharp and Sony in
>>>>> the
>>>>> summer of 2003.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some earlier models were more expensive such as HDR-FX1 $3700 Apr 04,
>>>>> HVR-Z1 $4900 Nov 04, check
>>>>> those and the HDV format in pages 108 and 109 of the 2005 report (free
>>>>> from the web site), and the
>>>>> newer models, including the one you mentioned, on pages 142 and 143 of
>>>>> the
>>>>> 2006 report.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to get to full 1920x1080 you have to jump to the broadcast
>>>>> professional models (also on the
>>>>> 2006 report), such as the HDC-1000 studio quality ($100K) or the
>>>>> HDC-1500
>>>>> portable ($90K) with true
>>>>> 1080p/60p (and 1080i and 720p of course).
>>>>>
>>>>> The images are 16:9 with a spec of 2,103,000 gross pixel count but
>>>>> actually 1,493,00 effective pixel
>>>>> count.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that this lower priced model (Jan 06) was quoted to lack the mike
>>>>> jack and the zoom ring, both
>>>>> present on the previous more expensive HDR-HC1 model (Jul 05). A good
>>>>> feature is that it has HDMI
>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are more cameras in between , HD XDCAM with 1080i resolution
>>>>> (PDW-F330 for $16,800) is one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Jeff Bradley
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:34 PM
>>>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>> Subject: HD Camcorder & My HDTV
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> I've been looking for a replacement camcorder and found a Sony HDR-HC3
>>>>> Compact HDV 1080i that has some pretty good reviews. It lists for just
>>>>> under $1500 retail and appears to be available for under $1300 at some
>>>>> on-line sites.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just saw that the resolution is 1440 by 1080 and is being referred
>>>>> to
>>>>> as full high definition. I thought full high definition was 1980 lines
>>>>> of horizontal resolution if the lines of vertical resolution was 1080.
>>>>> The camera will output directly to an HDTV via component or HDMI.
>>>>> Since
>>>>> the listed resolution does not appear to be 16x9 aspect ratio should I
>>>>> expect the image to be pillar-boxed on my 16x9 1080i HDTV?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm leaning towards this camera since it still uses tape to record.
>>>>> I've
>>>>> been led to believe that the cameras that record to tape use less /
>>>>> different compression. I believe that the DVD camcorders record using
>>>>> MPEG2 compression. I got a little lost with the compression that is
>>>>> used
>>>>> by cameras that record directly to a harddrive. I thought I saw that
>>>>> those cameras use MPEG4 compression but I can't find that reference
>>>>> again. For recording to tape, the cameras appear to use something
>>>>> called
>>>>> DV compression which I believe is closer to raw data/video. That
>>>>> format
>>>>> is described as 'easier' to edit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Sony line or, more
>>>>> specifically, the HDR-HC3?
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Arron, Dave, Hugh & Rodolfo, thanks to all for the responses. It looks
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