HD DVD in trouble

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Unless I have missed something...

Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that would defeat the
entire reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making different red
laser discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD forum participants
active and revenue producing.

Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD disc...

Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants and has no need for
the DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...

Sony appears to be hedging their bets on intelligence and common sense.
It appears both are capable of using all the different technologies to
expand their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will always have the
technological advantage because the blue laser wavelength is smaller and
will always have a higher storage capacity, period.

Considering everything we have seen with technology blu-ray is a no
brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass market even show up...

Thanks

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Larry Megugorac wrote:
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>
> Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
>
> http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
>
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> A note from the real world.........neither of these will ever happen:
>
> "that the player (not the media) will be disabled with a destruct code"
>
> "in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to have a constant internet
> connection"
>
> When stuff like this comes from the internet we should find a means of
> setting the record straight and not perpetuate the rumor. Divix (?) was
> such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe it was ever brought out by
> CC. If they don't want any sales then a "self-destruct" or "connect to
> internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and Hollywood are both seeing sales
> of DVDs fall off and now a new format is needed and not just needed for
> people like us but for everyone.
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that the current rumor is that
>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to have a constant internet
>>connection? Are these people out of their minds? Joe six-pack is not
>>going
>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate a dvd player. This in
>>my
>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp. If I were Toshiba I would
>>do
>>everything I could to get this out on the street. Talk about Nazi
>>tactics.
>>
>>Anthony R.
>>Orlando, FL
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Howard A. Blackstead
>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the requirement to have
>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of the time)! It is also
>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated B-R DVD, that the player
>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct code! Whether or not
>>the disabled player can be restored to operational status with a trip to
>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed at some length on
>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
>>
>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
>>
>>No one greeted this feature with positive enthusiasm. It looks like a
>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all over the place!
>>
>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much worse than the ill-fated
>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>>
>>Howard in South Bend, where football is being practiced!
>>
>>On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 11:46 -0400, Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Yes it does. If all of the new software manufactured to Blu-Ray's
>>
>>standards
>>
>>>will have both the "watermark" and dynamic encryption, and further if the
>>>studios are confident enough in these processes to jump from one camp to
>>
>>the
>>
>>>other, then why not pass the 1080 signal (be it i or P) through component
>>
>>so
>>
>>>"Early Adopters" can take advantage of the new format and help it along
>>>financially until it reaches the mass population? I know how you feel
>>
>>about
>>
>>>this already Jason.
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>[email protected]
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:34 AM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Watermark and dynamic encryption are at the software layer - in other
>>>words, independent of the physical connection. The data is store in
>>>certain ways to ensure it isn't easily copied from disc to disc using a
>>>computer, etc.
>>>
>>>HDCP is at a different layer and implemented between devices that
>>>support it. They are 'software agnostic' and will encrypt whatever is
>>>put through them.
>>>
>>>These layers are not interdependent but can be used together. In other
>>>words, you could have a blu-ray system with dynamic encryption and no
>>>HDCP connection, a system without encryption (like some DVDs) with HDCP,
>>>or both.
>>>
>>>Does that help?
>>>
>>>Jason Burroughs
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>>Of Anthony Rizzuto
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:30 AM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>So how does the "watermark" and "dynamic encryption" work in conjunction
>>>with HDCP or are they separate entities doing different things?
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>[email protected]
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:23 AM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050810-5194.html
>>>
>>>Looks more and more like the tide is turning towards Blu-ray. My gut
>>>feeling is that Christmas 2005 will be over promised and under
>>>delivered...a few titles and even fewer players; I hope my fellow
>>>tipsters are saving their pennies for the $1000 player we'll all be
>>>talking about in 3-4 months!
>>>
>>>Rodolfo, any news on your end of *real* blu-ray/hddvd players on the
>>>horizon? I was hoping to get more info at the HD Conference in LA later
>>>this month, but will be unable to attend. I'll be looking forward to
>>>seeing you all on HD.net
>>>
>>>Jason Burroughs
>>>
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At least there is no recording length issue which in reality was really a
marketing ploy and nothing more. As I'm sure you all know the average
consumer watched less than 10% of what they actually recorded on tape. I
don't think John Q. Public will care much about "storage capacity", at least
on the prerecorded side.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:07 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble


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Unless I have missed something...

Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that would defeat the
entire reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making different red
laser discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD forum participants
active and revenue producing.

Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD disc...

Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants and has no need for
the DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...

Sony appears to be hedging their bets on intelligence and common sense.
It appears both are capable of using all the different technologies to
expand their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will always have the
technological advantage because the blue laser wavelength is smaller and
will always have a higher storage capacity, period.

Considering everything we have seen with technology blu-ray is a no
brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass market even show up...

Thanks

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Larry Megugorac wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
>
> http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
>
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> A note from the real world.........neither of these will ever happen:
>
> "that the player (not the media) will be disabled with a destruct code"
>
> "in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to have a constant internet
> connection"
>
> When stuff like this comes from the internet we should find a means of
> setting the record straight and not perpetuate the rumor. Divix (?) was
> such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe it was ever brought out
by
> CC. If they don't want any sales then a "self-destruct" or "connect to
> internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and Hollywood are both seeing
sales
> of DVDs fall off and now a new format is needed and not just needed for
> people like us but for everyone.
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that the current rumor is that
>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to have a constant internet
>>connection? Are these people out of their minds? Joe six-pack is not
>>going
>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate a dvd player. This in
>>my
>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp. If I were Toshiba I would
>>do
>>everything I could to get this out on the street. Talk about Nazi
>>tactics.
>>
>>Anthony R.
>>Orlando, FL
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Howard A. Blackstead
>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the requirement to have
>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of the time)! It is also
>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated B-R DVD, that the player
>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct code! Whether or not
>>the disabled player can be restored to operational status with a trip to
>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed at some length on
>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
>>
>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
>>
>>No one greeted this feature with positive enthusiasm. It looks like a
>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all over the place!
>>
>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much worse than the ill-fated
>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>>
>>Howard in South Bend, where football is being practiced!
>>
>>On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 11:46 -0400, Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Yes it does. If all of the new software manufactured to Blu-Ray's
>>
>>standards
>>
>>>will have both the "watermark" and dynamic encryption, and further if the
>>>studios are confident enough in these processes to jump from one camp to
>>
>>the
>>
>>>other, then why not pass the 1080 signal (be it i or P) through component
>>
>>so
>>
>>>"Early Adopters" can take advantage of the new format and help it along
>>>financially until it reaches the mass population? I know how you feel
>>
>>about
>>
>>>this already Jason.
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>[email protected]
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:34 AM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Watermark and dynamic encryption are at the software layer - in other
>>>words, independent of the physical connection. The data is store in
>>>certain ways to ensure it isn't easily copied from disc to disc using a
>>>computer, etc.
>>>
>>>HDCP is at a different layer and implemented between devices that
>>>support it. They are 'software agnostic' and will encrypt whatever is
>>>put through them.
>>>
>>>These layers are not interdependent but can be used together. In other
>>>words, you could have a blu-ray system with dynamic encryption and no
>>>HDCP connection, a system without encryption (like some DVDs) with HDCP,
>>>or both.
>>>
>>>Does that help?
>>>
>>>Jason Burroughs
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>>Of Anthony Rizzuto
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:30 AM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>So how does the "watermark" and "dynamic encryption" work in conjunction
>>>with HDCP or are they separate entities doing different things?
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>[email protected]
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:23 AM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050810-5194.html
>>>
>>>Looks more and more like the tide is turning towards Blu-ray. My gut
>>>feeling is that Christmas 2005 will be over promised and under
>>>delivered...a few titles and even fewer players; I hope my fellow
>>>tipsters are saving their pennies for the $1000 player we'll all be
>>>talking about in 3-4 months!
>>>
>>>Rodolfo, any news on your end of *real* blu-ray/hddvd players on the
>>>horizon? I was hoping to get more info at the HD Conference in LA later
>>>this month, but will be unable to attend. I'll be looking forward to
>>>seeing you all on HD.net
>>>
>>>Jason Burroughs
>>>
>>>To unsubscribe please click: [email protected]
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The trouble will be that no one will show up and when they do it will be for
a name they recognize....HD-DVD. Toshiba will win if they both come out
and the names do not change........no contest. I hate it but I think I know
what the consumer will do and I'm not talking about people with a lack of
intelligence.

Hugh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Unless I have missed something...
>
> Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that would defeat the entire
> reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making different red laser
> discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD forum participants active
> and revenue producing.
>
> Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD disc...
>
> Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants and has no need for the
> DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...
>
> Sony appears to be hedging their bets on intelligence and common sense. It
> appears both are capable of using all the different technologies to expand
> their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will always have the
> technological advantage because the blue laser wavelength is smaller and
> will always have a higher storage capacity, period.
>
> Considering everything we have seen with technology blu-ray is a no
> brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass market even show up...
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Larry Megugorac wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
>>
>> http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Hugh Campbell
>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> A note from the real world.........neither of these will ever happen:
>>
>> "that the player (not the media) will be disabled with a destruct code"
>>
>> "in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to have a constant
>> internet connection"
>>
>> When stuff like this comes from the internet we should find a means of
>> setting the record straight and not perpetuate the rumor. Divix (?) was
>> such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe it was ever brought out
>> by CC. If they don't want any sales then a "self-destruct" or "connect
>> to internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and Hollywood are both seeing
>> sales of DVDs fall off and now a new format is needed and not just needed
>> for people like us but for everyone.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that the current rumor is
>>>that
>>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to have a constant internet
>>>connection? Are these people out of their minds? Joe six-pack is not
>>>going
>>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate a dvd player. This in
>>>my
>>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp. If I were Toshiba I would
>>>do
>>>everything I could to get this out on the street. Talk about Nazi
>>>tactics.
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>Howard A. Blackstead
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the requirement to have
>>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of the time)! It is also
>>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated B-R DVD, that the player
>>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct code! Whether or not
>>>the disabled player can be restored to operational status with a trip to
>>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed at some length on
>>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
>>>
>>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
>>>
>>>No one greeted this feature with positive enthusiasm. It looks like a
>>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all over the place!
>>>
>>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much worse than the ill-fated
>>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>>>
>>>Howard in South Bend, where football is being practiced!
>>>
>>>On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 11:46 -0400, Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Yes it does. If all of the new software manufactured to Blu-Ray's
>>>
>>>standards
>>>
>>>>will have both the "watermark" and dynamic encryption, and further if
>>>>the
>>>>studios are confident enough in these processes to jump from one camp to
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>other, then why not pass the 1080 signal (be it i or P) through
>>>>component
>>>
>>>so
>>>
>>>>"Early Adopters" can take advantage of the new format and help it along
>>>>financially until it reaches the mass population? I know how you feel
>>>
>>>about
>>>
>>>>this already Jason.
>>>>
>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>>[email protected]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:34 AM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Watermark and dynamic encryption are at the software layer - in other
>>>>words, independent of the physical connection. The data is store in
>>>>certain ways to ensure it isn't easily copied from disc to disc using a
>>>>computer, etc.
>>>>
>>>>HDCP is at a different layer and implemented between devices that
>>>>support it. They are 'software agnostic' and will encrypt whatever is
>>>>put through them.
>>>>
>>>>These layers are not interdependent but can be used together. In other
>>>>words, you could have a blu-ray system with dynamic encryption and no
>>>>HDCP connection, a system without encryption (like some DVDs) with HDCP,
>>>>or both.
>>>>
>>>>Does that help?
>>>>
>>>>Jason Burroughs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>>>Of Anthony Rizzuto
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:30 AM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>So how does the "watermark" and "dynamic encryption" work in conjunction
>>>>with HDCP or are they separate entities doing different things?
>>>>
>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>>[email protected]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:23 AM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050810-5194.html
>>>>
>>>>Looks more and more like the tide is turning towards Blu-ray. My gut
>>>>feeling is that Christmas 2005 will be over promised and under
>>>>delivered...a few titles and even fewer players; I hope my fellow
>>>>tipsters are saving their pennies for the $1000 player we'll all be
>>>>talking about in 3-4 months!
>>>>
>>>>Rodolfo, any news on your end of *real* blu-ray/hddvd players on the
>>>>horizon? I was hoping to get more info at the HD Conference in LA later
>>>>this month, but will be unable to attend. I'll be looking forward to
>>>>seeing you all on HD.net
>>>>
>>>>Jason Burroughs
>>>>
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American way. P.T. Barnum lives!

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Hugh Campbell
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:41 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble


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The trouble will be that no one will show up and when they do it will be for
a name they recognize....HD-DVD. Toshiba will win if they both come out
and the names do not change........no contest. I hate it but I think I know
what the consumer will do and I'm not talking about people with a lack of
intelligence.

Hugh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Unless I have missed something...
>
> Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that would defeat the entire
> reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making different red laser
> discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD forum participants active
> and revenue producing.
>
> Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD disc...
>
> Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants and has no need for the
> DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...
>
> Sony appears to be hedging their bets on intelligence and common sense. It
> appears both are capable of using all the different technologies to expand
> their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will always have the
> technological advantage because the blue laser wavelength is smaller and
> will always have a higher storage capacity, period.
>
> Considering everything we have seen with technology blu-ray is a no
> brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass market even show up...
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Larry Megugorac wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
>>
>> http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Hugh Campbell
>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> A note from the real world.........neither of these will ever happen:
>>
>> "that the player (not the media) will be disabled with a destruct code"
>>
>> "in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to have a constant
>> internet connection"
>>
>> When stuff like this comes from the internet we should find a means of
>> setting the record straight and not perpetuate the rumor. Divix (?) was
>> such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe it was ever brought out
>> by CC. If they don't want any sales then a "self-destruct" or "connect
>> to internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and Hollywood are both seeing
>> sales of DVDs fall off and now a new format is needed and not just needed
>> for people like us but for everyone.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that the current rumor is
>>>that
>>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to have a constant internet
>>>connection? Are these people out of their minds? Joe six-pack is not
>>>going
>>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate a dvd player. This in
>>>my
>>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp. If I were Toshiba I would
>>>do
>>>everything I could to get this out on the street. Talk about Nazi
>>>tactics.
>>>
>>>Anthony R.
>>>Orlando, FL
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>Howard A. Blackstead
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the requirement to have
>>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of the time)! It is also
>>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated B-R DVD, that the player
>>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct code! Whether or not
>>>the disabled player can be restored to operational status with a trip to
>>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed at some length on
>>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
>>>
>>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
>>>
>>>No one greeted this feature with positive enthusiasm. It looks like a
>>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all over the place!
>>>
>>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much worse than the ill-fated
>>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>>>
>>>Howard in South Bend, where football is being practiced!
>>>
>>>On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 11:46 -0400, Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Yes it does. If all of the new software manufactured to Blu-Ray's
>>>
>>>standards
>>>
>>>>will have both the "watermark" and dynamic encryption, and further if
>>>>the
>>>>studios are confident enough in these processes to jump from one camp to
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>other, then why not pass the 1080 signal (be it i or P) through
>>>>component
>>>
>>>so
>>>
>>>>"Early Adopters" can take advantage of the new format and help it along
>>>>financially until it reaches the mass population? I know how you feel
>>>
>>>about
>>>
>>>>this already Jason.
>>>>
>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>>[email protected]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:34 AM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Watermark and dynamic encryption are at the software layer - in other
>>>>words, independent of the physical connection. The data is store in
>>>>certain ways to ensure it isn't easily copied from disc to disc using a
>>>>computer, etc.
>>>>
>>>>HDCP is at a different layer and implemented between devices that
>>>>support it. They are 'software agnostic' and will encrypt whatever is
>>>>put through them.
>>>>
>>>>These layers are not interdependent but can be used together. In other
>>>>words, you could have a blu-ray system with dynamic encryption and no
>>>>HDCP connection, a system without encryption (like some DVDs) with HDCP,
>>>>or both.
>>>>
>>>>Does that help?
>>>>
>>>>Jason Burroughs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>>>Of Anthony Rizzuto
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:30 AM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>So how does the "watermark" and "dynamic encryption" work in conjunction
>>>>with HDCP or are they separate entities doing different things?
>>>>
>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>>>[email protected]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:23 AM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050810-5194.html
>>>>
>>>>Looks more and more like the tide is turning towards Blu-ray. My gut
>>>>feeling is that Christmas 2005 will be over promised and under
>>>>delivered...a few titles and even fewer players; I hope my fellow
>>>>tipsters are saving their pennies for the $1000 player we'll all be
>>>>talking about in 3-4 months!
>>>>
>>>>Rodolfo, any news on your end of *real* blu-ray/hddvd players on the
>>>>horizon? I was hoping to get more info at the HD Conference in LA later
>>>>this month, but will be unable to attend. I'll be looking forward to
>>>>seeing you all on HD.net
>>>>
>>>>Jason Burroughs
>>>>
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Wouldn't blu-ray still be adopted by the computer
world, due to its superior storage capacity?

So even if HD-DVD gets adopted for video, blu-ray
would still be around?

--- Anthony Rizzuto <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> No, lack of information and understanding but that
> unfortunately is the
> American way. P.T. Barnum lives!
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> The trouble will be that no one will show up and
> when they do it will be for
> a name they recognize....HD-DVD. Toshiba will win
> if they both come out
> and the names do not change........no contest. I
> hate it but I think I know
> what the consumer will do and I'm not talking about
> people with a lack of
> intelligence.
>
> Hugh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:07 PM
> Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Unless I have missed something...
> >
> > Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that
> would defeat the entire
> > reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making
> different red laser
> > discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD
> forum participants active
> > and revenue producing.
> >
> > Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD
> disc...
> >
> > Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants
> and has no need for the
> > DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...
> >
> > Sony appears to be hedging their bets on
> intelligence and common sense. It
> > appears both are capable of using all the
> different technologies to expand
> > their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will
> always have the
> > technological advantage because the blue laser
> wavelength is smaller and
> > will always have a higher storage capacity,
> period.
> >
> > Considering everything we have seen with
> technology blu-ray is a no
> > brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass
> market even show up...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> > A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
> >
> > Larry Megugorac wrote:
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
> >>
> >> http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> >> Hugh Campbell
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> A note from the real world.........neither of
> these will ever happen:
> >>
> >> "that the player (not the media) will be disabled
> with a destruct code"
> >>
> >> "in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
> have a constant
> >> internet connection"
> >>
> >> When stuff like this comes from the internet we
> should find a means of
> >> setting the record straight and not perpetuate
> the rumor. Divix (?) was
> >> such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe
> it was ever brought out
> >> by CC. If they don't want any sales then a
> "self-destruct" or "connect
> >> to internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and
> Hollywood are both seeing
> >> sales of DVDs fall off and now a new format is
> needed and not just needed
> >> for people like us but for everyone.
> >>
> >> Hugh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
> >> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that
> the current rumor is
> >>>that
> >>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
> have a constant internet
> >>>connection? Are these people out of their minds?
> Joe six-pack is not
> >>>going
> >>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate
> a dvd player. This in
> >>>my
> >>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp.
> If I were Toshiba I would
> >>>do
> >>>everything I could to get this out on the street.
> Talk about Nazi
> >>>tactics.
> >>>
> >>>Anthony R.
> >>>Orlando, FL
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of
> >>>Howard A. Blackstead
> >>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
> >>>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the
> requirement to have
> >>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of
> the time)! It is also
> >>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated
> B-R DVD, that the player
> >>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct
> code! Whether or not
> >>>the disabled player can be restored to
> operational status with a trip to
> >>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed
> at some length on
> >>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
> >>>
> >>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
> >>>
> >>>No one greeted this feature with positive
> enthusiasm. It looks like a
> >>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all
> over the place!
> >>>
> >>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much
> worse than the ill-fated
> >>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>
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Probably, but who can say for certain. There was yet another format
discussed on this board that escapes my memory at the moment, but I'm pretty
sure it's storage capacity was higher than Blu-Ray's.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Perry Yastrov
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:51 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Wouldn't blu-ray still be adopted by the computer
world, due to its superior storage capacity?

So even if HD-DVD gets adopted for video, blu-ray
would still be around?

--- Anthony Rizzuto <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> No, lack of information and understanding but that
> unfortunately is the
> American way. P.T. Barnum lives!
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> The trouble will be that no one will show up and
> when they do it will be for
> a name they recognize....HD-DVD. Toshiba will win
> if they both come out
> and the names do not change........no contest. I
> hate it but I think I know
> what the consumer will do and I'm not talking about
> people with a lack of
> intelligence.
>
> Hugh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:07 PM
> Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Unless I have missed something...
> >
> > Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that
> would defeat the entire
> > reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making
> different red laser
> > discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD
> forum participants active
> > and revenue producing.
> >
> > Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD
> disc...
> >
> > Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants
> and has no need for the
> > DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...
> >
> > Sony appears to be hedging their bets on
> intelligence and common sense. It
> > appears both are capable of using all the
> different technologies to expand
> > their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will
> always have the
> > technological advantage because the blue laser
> wavelength is smaller and
> > will always have a higher storage capacity,
> period.
> >
> > Considering everything we have seen with
> technology blu-ray is a no
> > brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass
> market even show up...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> > A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
> >
> > Larry Megugorac wrote:
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
> >>
> >> http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> >> Hugh Campbell
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> A note from the real world.........neither of
> these will ever happen:
> >>
> >> "that the player (not the media) will be disabled
> with a destruct code"
> >>
> >> "in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
> have a constant
> >> internet connection"
> >>
> >> When stuff like this comes from the internet we
> should find a means of
> >> setting the record straight and not perpetuate
> the rumor. Divix (?) was
> >> such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe
> it was ever brought out
> >> by CC. If they don't want any sales then a
> "self-destruct" or "connect
> >> to internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and
> Hollywood are both seeing
> >> sales of DVDs fall off and now a new format is
> needed and not just needed
> >> for people like us but for everyone.
> >>
> >> Hugh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
> >> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that
> the current rumor is
> >>>that
> >>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
> have a constant internet
> >>>connection? Are these people out of their minds?
> Joe six-pack is not
> >>>going
> >>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate
> a dvd player. This in
> >>>my
> >>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp.
> If I were Toshiba I would
> >>>do
> >>>everything I could to get this out on the street.
> Talk about Nazi
> >>>tactics.
> >>>
> >>>Anthony R.
> >>>Orlando, FL
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of
> >>>Howard A. Blackstead
> >>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
> >>>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the
> requirement to have
> >>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of
> the time)! It is also
> >>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated
> B-R DVD, that the player
> >>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct
> code! Whether or not
> >>>the disabled player can be restored to
> operational status with a trip to
> >>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed
> at some length on
> >>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
> >>>
> >>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
> >>>
> >>>No one greeted this feature with positive
> enthusiasm. It looks like a
> >>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all
> over the place!
> >>>
> >>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much
> worse than the ill-fated
> >>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>
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It'll be in the PS3's as well ... any you KNOW Sony will release titles for
it, regardless. Look at the PSP ...

-- M. Shane Sturgeon
Skype: HDTVMagazine



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----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Wouldn't blu-ray still be adopted by the computer
world, due to its superior storage capacity?

So even if HD-DVD gets adopted for video, blu-ray
would still be around?

--- Anthony Rizzuto <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> No, lack of information and understanding but that
> unfortunately is the
> American way. P.T. Barnum lives!
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> The trouble will be that no one will show up and
> when they do it will be for
> a name they recognize....HD-DVD. Toshiba will win
> if they both come out
> and the names do not change........no contest. I
> hate it but I think I know
> what the consumer will do and I'm not talking about
> people with a lack of
> intelligence.
>
> Hugh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:07 PM
> Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Unless I have missed something...
> >
> > Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that
> would defeat the entire
> > reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making
> different red laser
> > discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD
> forum participants active
> > and revenue producing.
> >
> > Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD
> disc...
> >
> > Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants
> and has no need for the
> > DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...
> >
> > Sony appears to be hedging their bets on
> intelligence and common sense. It
> > appears both are capable of using all the
> different technologies to expand
> > their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will
> always have the
> > technological advantage because the blue laser
> wavelength is smaller and
> > will always have a higher storage capacity,
> period.
> >
> > Considering everything we have seen with
> technology blu-ray is a no
> > brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass
> market even show up...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> > A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
> >
> > Larry Megugorac wrote:
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
> >>
> >> http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> >> Hugh Campbell
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> A note from the real world.........neither of
> these will ever happen:
> >>
> >> "that the player (not the media) will be disabled
> with a destruct code"
> >>
> >> "in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
> have a constant
> >> internet connection"
> >>
> >> When stuff like this comes from the internet we
> should find a means of
> >> setting the record straight and not perpetuate
> the rumor. Divix (?) was
> >> such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe
> it was ever brought out
> >> by CC. If they don't want any sales then a
> "self-destruct" or "connect
> >> to internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and
> Hollywood are both seeing
> >> sales of DVDs fall off and now a new format is
> needed and not just needed
> >> for people like us but for everyone.
> >>
> >> Hugh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
> >> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that
> the current rumor is
> >>>that
> >>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
> have a constant internet
> >>>connection? Are these people out of their minds?
> Joe six-pack is not
> >>>going
> >>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate
> a dvd player. This in
> >>>my
> >>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp.
> If I were Toshiba I would
> >>>do
> >>>everything I could to get this out on the street.
> Talk about Nazi
> >>>tactics.
> >>>
> >>>Anthony R.
> >>>Orlando, FL
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of
> >>>Howard A. Blackstead
> >>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
> >>>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the
> requirement to have
> >>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of
> the time)! It is also
> >>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated
> B-R DVD, that the player
> >>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct
> code! Whether or not
> >>>the disabled player can be restored to
> operational status with a trip to
> >>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed
> at some length on
> >>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
> >>>
> >>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
> >>>
> >>>No one greeted this feature with positive
> enthusiasm. It looks like a
> >>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all
> over the place!
> >>>
> >>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much
> worse than the ill-fated
> >>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>
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There is a way they can put more than two layers...

And something about encoding as well...

All that stuff applies to both laser colors so it is a moot point.

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Probably, but who can say for certain. There was yet another format
> discussed on this board that escapes my memory at the moment, but I'm pretty
> sure it's storage capacity was higher than Blu-Ray's.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Perry Yastrov
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:51 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Wouldn't blu-ray still be adopted by the computer
> world, due to its superior storage capacity?
>
> So even if HD-DVD gets adopted for video, blu-ray
> would still be around?
>
> --- Anthony Rizzuto <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>No, lack of information and understanding but that
>>unfortunately is the
>>American way. P.T. Barnum lives!
>>
>>Anthony R.
>>Orlando, FL
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine
>>On Behalf Of
>>Hugh Campbell
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:41 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>The trouble will be that no one will show up and
>>when they do it will be for
>>a name they recognize....HD-DVD. Toshiba will win
>>if they both come out
>>and the names do not change........no contest. I
>>hate it but I think I know
>>what the consumer will do and I'm not talking about
>>people with a lack of
>>intelligence.
>>
>>Hugh
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Richard" <[email protected]>
>>To: "HDTV Magazine"
>><[email protected]>
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:07 PM
>>Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>>
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Unless I have missed something...
>>>
>>>Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that
>>
>>would defeat the entire
>>
>>>reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making
>>
>>different red laser
>>
>>>discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD
>>
>>forum participants active
>>
>>>and revenue producing.
>>>
>>>Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD
>>
>>disc...
>>
>>>Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants
>>
>>and has no need for the
>>
>>>DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...
>>>
>>>Sony appears to be hedging their bets on
>>
>>intelligence and common sense. It
>>
>>>appears both are capable of using all the
>>
>>different technologies to expand
>>
>>>their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will
>>
>>always have the
>>
>>>technological advantage because the blue laser
>>
>>wavelength is smaller and
>>
>>>will always have a higher storage capacity,
>>
>>period.
>>
>>>Considering everything we have seen with
>>
>>technology blu-ray is a no
>>
>>>brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass
>>
>>market even show up...
>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Richard Fisher
>>>www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
>>>A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>>>
>>>Larry Megugorac wrote:
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Larry -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine
>>
>> On Behalf
>>Of
>>
>>>>Hugh Campbell
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>A note from the real world.........neither of
>>
>>these will ever happen:
>>
>>>>"that the player (not the media) will be disabled
>>
>>with a destruct code"
>>
>>>>"in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
>>
>>have a constant
>>
>>>>internet connection"
>>>>
>>>>When stuff like this comes from the internet we
>>
>>should find a means of
>>
>>>>setting the record straight and not perpetuate
>>
>>the rumor. Divix (?) was
>>
>>>>such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe
>>
>>it was ever brought out
>>
>>>>by CC. If they don't want any sales then a
>>
>>"self-destruct" or "connect
>>
>>>>to internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and
>>
>>Hollywood are both seeing
>>
>>>>sales of DVDs fall off and now a new format is
>>
>>needed and not just needed
>>
>>>>for people like us but for everyone.
>>>>
>>>>Hugh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
>>>>To: "HDTV Magazine"
>>
>><[email protected]>
>>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that
>>
>>the current rumor is
>>
>>>>>that
>>>>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
>>
>>have a constant internet
>>
>>>>>connection? Are these people out of their minds?
>>
>> Joe six-pack is not
>>
>>>>>going
>>>>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate
>>
>>a dvd player. This in
>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp.
>>
>>If I were Toshiba I would
>>
>>>>>do
>>>>>everything I could to get this out on the street.
>>
>> Talk about Nazi
>>
>>>>>tactics.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: HDTV Magazine
>>
>>On Behalf Of
>>
>>>>>Howard A. Blackstead
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
>>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the
>>
>>requirement to have
>>
>>>>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of
>>
>>the time)! It is also
>>
>>>>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated
>>
>>B-R DVD, that the player
>>
>>>>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct
>>
>>code! Whether or not
>>
>>>>>the disabled player can be restored to
>>
>>operational status with a trip to
>>
>>>>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed
>>
>>at some length on
>>
>>>>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
>>>>>
>>>>>No one greeted this feature with positive
>>
>>enthusiasm. It looks like a
>>
>>>>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all
>>
>>over the place!
>>
>>>>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much
>>
>>worse than the ill-fated
>>
>>>>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>>
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> So even if HD-DVD gets adopted for video, blu-ray
> would still be around?

One would think so... The PC camp is behind Blu-ray big time...

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Perry Yastrov wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Wouldn't blu-ray still be adopted by the computer
> world, due to its superior storage capacity?
>
> So even if HD-DVD gets adopted for video, blu-ray
> would still be around?
>
> --- Anthony Rizzuto <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>No, lack of information and understanding but that
>>unfortunately is the
>>American way. P.T. Barnum lives!
>>
>>Anthony R.
>>Orlando, FL
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine
>>On Behalf Of
>>Hugh Campbell
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:41 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>The trouble will be that no one will show up and
>>when they do it will be for
>>a name they recognize....HD-DVD. Toshiba will win
>>if they both come out
>>and the names do not change........no contest. I
>>hate it but I think I know
>>what the consumer will do and I'm not talking about
>>people with a lack of
>>intelligence.
>>
>>Hugh
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Richard" <[email protected]>
>>To: "HDTV Magazine"
>><[email protected]>
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:07 PM
>>Subject: Re: HD DVD in trouble
>>
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Unless I have missed something...
>>>
>>>Toshiba is not going to placate Sony because that
>>
>>would defeat the entire
>>
>>>reason behind HD-DVD; same red laser plants making
>>
>>different red laser
>>
>>>discs keeping the DVD related patents and DVD
>>
>>forum participants active
>>
>>>and revenue producing.
>>>
>>>Both will have a red laser SD layer on their HD
>>
>>disc...
>>
>>>Blu-ray requires retooling of the red laser plants
>>
>>and has no need for the
>>
>>>DVD forum HD-DVD patents or technology...
>>>
>>>Sony appears to be hedging their bets on
>>
>>intelligence and common sense. It
>>
>>>appears both are capable of using all the
>>
>>different technologies to expand
>>
>>>their capacity yet no matter what Blu-ray will
>>
>>always have the
>>
>>>technological advantage because the blue laser
>>
>>wavelength is smaller and
>>
>>>will always have a higher storage capacity,
>>
>>period.
>>
>>>Considering everything we have seen with
>>
>>technology blu-ray is a no
>>
>>>brainer yet just like broadcast HDTV will the mass
>>
>>market even show up...
>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Richard Fisher
>>>www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
>>>A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>>>
>>>Larry Megugorac wrote:
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Blu-Ray will be the only one!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/18.hdtrouble.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Larry -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine
>>
>> On Behalf
>>Of
>>
>>>>Hugh Campbell
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:13 PM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>A note from the real world.........neither of
>>
>>these will ever happen:
>>
>>>>"that the player (not the media) will be disabled
>>
>>with a destruct code"
>>
>>>>"in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
>>
>>have a constant
>>
>>>>internet connection"
>>>>
>>>>When stuff like this comes from the internet we
>>
>>should find a means of
>>
>>>>setting the record straight and not perpetuate
>>
>>the rumor. Divix (?) was
>>
>>>>such a poorly conceived idea I could not believe
>>
>>it was ever brought out
>>
>>>>by CC. If they don't want any sales then a
>>
>>"self-destruct" or "connect
>>
>>>>to internet" machine would be great. Mfg. and
>>
>>Hollywood are both seeing
>>
>>>>sales of DVDs fall off and now a new format is
>>
>>needed and not just needed
>>
>>>>for people like us but for everyone.
>>>>
>>>>Hugh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
>>>>To: "HDTV Magazine"
>>
>><[email protected]>
>>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:28 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it was called Divix. So you are saying that
>>
>>the current rumor is
>>
>>>>>that
>>>>>in order to use a Blu-Ray player it will have to
>>
>>have a constant internet
>>
>>>>>connection? Are these people out of their minds?
>>
>> Joe six-pack is not
>>
>>>>>going
>>>>>to have his house rewired in order to accommodate
>>
>>a dvd player. This in
>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>mind is a major disadvantage for the B-R camp.
>>
>>If I were Toshiba I would
>>
>>>>>do
>>>>>everything I could to get this out on the street.
>>
>> Talk about Nazi
>>
>>>>>tactics.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: HDTV Magazine
>>
>>On Behalf Of
>>
>>>>>Howard A. Blackstead
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:12 PM
>>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>>Subject: Re: Another point for Blu-ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>>Guys: Another aspect of the announced DRM is the
>>
>>requirement to have
>>
>>>>>such B-R players attached to the internet (all of
>>
>>the time)! It is also
>>
>>>>>claimed that if one attempts to play a pirated
>>
>>B-R DVD, that the player
>>
>>>>>(not the media) will be disabled with a destruct
>>
>>code! Whether or not
>>
>>>>>the disabled player can be restored to
>>
>>operational status with a trip to
>>
>>>>>a repair shop is not decided. This was discussed
>>
>>at some length on
>>
>>>>>slashdot (/.) yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20050810
>>>>>
>>>>>No one greeted this feature with positive
>>
>>enthusiasm. It looks like a
>>
>>>>>hackers dream, free targets for destruction all
>>
>>over the place!
>>
>>>>>This looks like a Frankenstein's Monster, much
>>
>>worse than the ill-fated
>>
>>>>>Circuit-City DVD system (was it called DivX?).
>>
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