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Tom,
Blu-Ray, like HD-DVD, will be backward compatible.
But I think the key point here is that two HD formats is a deal-breaker in
the real world. If these two groups actually bring their competing versions
of HD-compatible DVD to market, both will languish and die (or give the
appearance of being left for dead) until there's a single format.
Even if there are "hybrid" players in short order that do both formats, I
think it's clear that the HD market is not anywhere near being large enough
now (we can't count more than 5 million HD displays without digital inputs)
or in the medium-term for retailers to deal with the costly and hassle-heavy
scenario of stocking a comprehensive line of both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray
software.
And software ultimately drives hardware sales.
The good news is that there will be plenty of time to go back to the drawing
board or negotiating table in time to provide a single, universal
pre-recorded HD format -- once there are enough HD-ready consumers to
matter.
Otherwise, I think it's "money down the drain" to buy an HD-compatible DVD
player without at least 1,000 popular back-catalog titles readily available
in each format and routine same-day release of new movies on traditional DVD
disc and HD-compatible disc from studios supporting the respective formats.
Regards,
Doug
Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
eMail: [email protected]
Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
http://www.imagingscience.com
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Tom Vrolyk
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:09
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over Blu-Ray..........what a joke
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Folks, Will Blue Ray players play old DVDs?
another angle if Blue Ray is to survive it must play
old DVDs.. If that is a diff. many folks will opt for
the "DVD-HD" if it plays their old DVDs aswell as the
new ones in "HD"... naming is very important, for word
of mouth coverage
I want Blue-Ray, not a second thought about it...
but market will tell, is this like poker? and who is
bluffing?... there must be a clear direction, one has
to be better, for the cost.
What if there is a a new DVD burner/format next year
that will blow these machines out? if only for
capacity
Then cheaper now is better, maybe Sony is at a cross
roads, seems their Co is getting fragmented and seems
lost IMHO
TomV
--- [email protected] wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I would love to know how the naming even came to be.
> I mean, there isn't
> even a commonly used word for 'next generation DVD'
> besides HD DVD. So
> how was Toshiba or whomever able to
> trademark/reserve/copyright what is
> essentially a common noun? What if someone had
> trademarked High
> Definition and been the only ones allowed to use
> that name? if I were
> sony, I would start calling blu-ray "HD DVD"!
>
> Jason Burroughs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of Richard
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:56 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over
> Blu-Ray..........what a joke
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> > quality will out. But, if the decision were left
> to the mass
> consumer
> > market do you really have any question as to
> which way they would
> lean?
>
> HD DVD of course! What is blu-ray...? why isn;t it
> called HD DVD?
>
> I think Toshiba has a huge perception lead in this
> battle for the mass
> market...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > You made my point Dale. I stated that " The only
> time I've seen this
> go the
> > other way was
> > when the market was limited to a small quality
> minded group. So if
> you are
> > saying that the most influence on the success or
> failure of Blu-Ray
> or
> > HD-DVD will be exerted by the early adopters of HD
> TV, then I would
> agree,
> > quality will out. But, if the decision were left
> to the mass consumer
> > market do you really have any question as to which
> way they would
> lean?
> >
> > Anthony R.
> > Orlando, FL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> > Dale Cripps
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:49 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over
> Blu-Ray..........what a joke
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Building a pessimistic case by reflecting back
> upon what happened 20
> or more
> > years ago seems to me out of step with everything
> that is going on
> today.
> > With the help from some friends we chose HDTV over
> a wide varity of
> cheaper
> > "Fix Ups." We chose the superior images from DVD
> over the VCR,
> finally.
> > Today's constant improvement in displays hardly
> mirrors the old
> Betamax/VHS
> > decision days when you could barely make out the
> difference between
> those
> > two formats on any commercial display of that
> time. I might add that
> we
> > didn't have the Internet to educate so many people
> at once on what to
> look
> > for nor were many people even aware of recording
> or time-shifting or
> movies
> > on tape when the VHS decision was made. None of
> those old conditions
> > prevail among the early adopters today. I think
> we will get what is
> forward
> > looking today rather than what is backward
> looking. But without a
> doubt you
> > are right, the marketplace will decide. We are an
> influence to that
> > marketplace. -Dale
> >
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>I agree Blu-Ray is the way to go. The market
> place will decide that
> >>ultimately. Looking on it's decisions in the
> past, I am not hopeful.
> >>They
> >>did pick VHS over Beta. The only time I've seen
> this go the other way
> was
> >>when the market was limited to a small quality
> minded group that chose
> >>laser
> >>disc over RCA CED. As I said though we are talking
> about a much
> smaller
> >>group in that case.
> >>
> >>Anthony R.
> >>Orlando, FL
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> >>Dale E. Cripps
> >>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:52 PM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over
> Blu-Ray..........what a joke
> >>
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>If we had depended upon surveys the famous HDTV
> survey done by MIT in
> '89
> >>would have led us to only ghost free standard TV
> with better audio and
> >>nothing more.
>
>>http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/history/2005/06/during_the_earl.php
> >>
> >>But we didn't rely upon those surveys (and they
> had powerful
> supporters).
> >>We
> >>forged ahead into new territory. Instead of some
> dead-end
> modernization of
> >>NTSC you have as a result HDTV with all of its
> headroom for future
> growth.
> >>
> >>I am going to take a page out of the HDTV story
> for this Blu-Ray vs.
> >>HD-DVD
> >>controversy. The one thing that our national move
> to a completely new
> >>platform (digital) proved is that 1) it can be
> done, and 2) that the
> >>maximum
> >>potential of contemporary technology comes into
> being through such
> leaps.
> >>
> >>It is a perilous leap, no question. But as long as
> both the opening
> >>performance of the new is superior to the old and
> the headroom for the
> new
> >>is deemed worthy of the risk, then the only smart
> thing to do is to go
> for
> >>the new and drop the old. If that means there is
> some cost
> >>associated....well, what doesn't have some cost
> associated
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Tom,
Blu-Ray, like HD-DVD, will be backward compatible.
But I think the key point here is that two HD formats is a deal-breaker in
the real world. If these two groups actually bring their competing versions
of HD-compatible DVD to market, both will languish and die (or give the
appearance of being left for dead) until there's a single format.
Even if there are "hybrid" players in short order that do both formats, I
think it's clear that the HD market is not anywhere near being large enough
now (we can't count more than 5 million HD displays without digital inputs)
or in the medium-term for retailers to deal with the costly and hassle-heavy
scenario of stocking a comprehensive line of both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray
software.
And software ultimately drives hardware sales.
The good news is that there will be plenty of time to go back to the drawing
board or negotiating table in time to provide a single, universal
pre-recorded HD format -- once there are enough HD-ready consumers to
matter.
Otherwise, I think it's "money down the drain" to buy an HD-compatible DVD
player without at least 1,000 popular back-catalog titles readily available
in each format and routine same-day release of new movies on traditional DVD
disc and HD-compatible disc from studios supporting the respective formats.
Regards,
Doug
Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
eMail: [email protected]
Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
http://www.imagingscience.com
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Tom Vrolyk
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:09
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over Blu-Ray..........what a joke
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Folks, Will Blue Ray players play old DVDs?
another angle if Blue Ray is to survive it must play
old DVDs.. If that is a diff. many folks will opt for
the "DVD-HD" if it plays their old DVDs aswell as the
new ones in "HD"... naming is very important, for word
of mouth coverage
I want Blue-Ray, not a second thought about it...
but market will tell, is this like poker? and who is
bluffing?... there must be a clear direction, one has
to be better, for the cost.
What if there is a a new DVD burner/format next year
that will blow these machines out? if only for
capacity
Then cheaper now is better, maybe Sony is at a cross
roads, seems their Co is getting fragmented and seems
lost IMHO
TomV
--- [email protected] wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I would love to know how the naming even came to be.
> I mean, there isn't
> even a commonly used word for 'next generation DVD'
> besides HD DVD. So
> how was Toshiba or whomever able to
> trademark/reserve/copyright what is
> essentially a common noun? What if someone had
> trademarked High
> Definition and been the only ones allowed to use
> that name? if I were
> sony, I would start calling blu-ray "HD DVD"!
>
> Jason Burroughs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of Richard
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:56 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over
> Blu-Ray..........what a joke
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> > quality will out. But, if the decision were left
> to the mass
> consumer
> > market do you really have any question as to
> which way they would
> lean?
>
> HD DVD of course! What is blu-ray...? why isn;t it
> called HD DVD?
>
> I think Toshiba has a huge perception lead in this
> battle for the mass
> market...
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > You made my point Dale. I stated that " The only
> time I've seen this
> go the
> > other way was
> > when the market was limited to a small quality
> minded group. So if
> you are
> > saying that the most influence on the success or
> failure of Blu-Ray
> or
> > HD-DVD will be exerted by the early adopters of HD
> TV, then I would
> agree,
> > quality will out. But, if the decision were left
> to the mass consumer
> > market do you really have any question as to which
> way they would
> lean?
> >
> > Anthony R.
> > Orlando, FL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> > Dale Cripps
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:49 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over
> Blu-Ray..........what a joke
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Building a pessimistic case by reflecting back
> upon what happened 20
> or more
> > years ago seems to me out of step with everything
> that is going on
> today.
> > With the help from some friends we chose HDTV over
> a wide varity of
> cheaper
> > "Fix Ups." We chose the superior images from DVD
> over the VCR,
> finally.
> > Today's constant improvement in displays hardly
> mirrors the old
> Betamax/VHS
> > decision days when you could barely make out the
> difference between
> those
> > two formats on any commercial display of that
> time. I might add that
> we
> > didn't have the Internet to educate so many people
> at once on what to
> look
> > for nor were many people even aware of recording
> or time-shifting or
> movies
> > on tape when the VHS decision was made. None of
> those old conditions
> > prevail among the early adopters today. I think
> we will get what is
> forward
> > looking today rather than what is backward
> looking. But without a
> doubt you
> > are right, the marketplace will decide. We are an
> influence to that
> > marketplace. -Dale
> >
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>I agree Blu-Ray is the way to go. The market
> place will decide that
> >>ultimately. Looking on it's decisions in the
> past, I am not hopeful.
> >>They
> >>did pick VHS over Beta. The only time I've seen
> this go the other way
> was
> >>when the market was limited to a small quality
> minded group that chose
> >>laser
> >>disc over RCA CED. As I said though we are talking
> about a much
> smaller
> >>group in that case.
> >>
> >>Anthony R.
> >>Orlando, FL
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> >>Dale E. Cripps
> >>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:52 PM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over
> Blu-Ray..........what a joke
> >>
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>If we had depended upon surveys the famous HDTV
> survey done by MIT in
> '89
> >>would have led us to only ghost free standard TV
> with better audio and
> >>nothing more.
>
>>http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/history/2005/06/during_the_earl.php
> >>
> >>But we didn't rely upon those surveys (and they
> had powerful
> supporters).
> >>We
> >>forged ahead into new territory. Instead of some
> dead-end
> modernization of
> >>NTSC you have as a result HDTV with all of its
> headroom for future
> growth.
> >>
> >>I am going to take a page out of the HDTV story
> for this Blu-Ray vs.
> >>HD-DVD
> >>controversy. The one thing that our national move
> to a completely new
> >>platform (digital) proved is that 1) it can be
> done, and 2) that the
> >>maximum
> >>potential of contemporary technology comes into
> being through such
> leaps.
> >>
> >>It is a perilous leap, no question. But as long as
> both the opening
> >>performance of the new is superior to the old and
> the headroom for the
> new
> >>is deemed worthy of the risk, then the only smart
> thing to do is to go
> for
> >>the new and drop the old. If that means there is
> some cost
> >>associated....well, what doesn't have some cost
> associated
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