HD-DVD Preferred over Blu-Ray..........(the sounds andsights

Started by aggie Jul 28, 2005 3 posts
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#1
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Hi;
Why doesn't the CEA take it upon themselves to get seriously involved in
the Blu-ray-HDDVD controversy! They have a lot to gain from product
interchangeability, and a lot more to lose by selling products no one
dares to buy.

How about an industry (Association) wide decision not to import one type
as opposed to the other!

I would be wiling to bet that if privatively owned retailers helped each
other out say by SONY dealers supplying PANASONIC retailers with product
(or the reverse) this matter could be resolved quickly. I suppose that
most retailers sell products from both sides of this fence already, and
there would be little "hardship" involved in such a marketing decision.

I would also bet that the Bollywood hegemonies would be quickly
dissolved in favor of product sales.


Howard in South Bend, where football practice will start in several
weeks!



On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 11:24 -0400, Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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>
> Howard,
>
> I'll admit there are some real dogs visually out there on DVD, but there are
> also some real gems.
> In the past couple of years I've found more gems than dogs at least in terms
> of picture quality. I find it hard to believe that the image quality your
> getting from DVD's is that bad. It begs the questions, what monitor are you
> using, has it been calibrated and what DVD player are you using?
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Howard A. Blackstead
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:59 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over Blu-Ray..........(the sounds and
> sightsof one hand clapping)
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> RAF, You have a valid point. While several have commented about the
> attractive gravity of HD content, I continue to be amazed by what most
> viewers will accept. I am speaking particularly of the incredibly poor
> quality of most of the DBS channels, and especially the down-rezzed
> locals. Or how about the noise in the analog cable signals!
>
> Even after exposure to quality HD visuals, a number of my acquaintances
> just shrug their shoulders and walk away! I suppose that this response
> may be similar to response to early color TV (which really had poor
> PQ).
>
> For my part, I have greatly attenuated my rate of DVD purchases, because
> I can barely stand to watch them. I am anxiously awaiting the advent of
> better PQ with the next generation technology, but I have the difficulty
> that I do not have a display device with HDMI, and I will refuse to
> spend on the order of an extra $6000 for a replacement just to enjoy
> hddvds.
>
> Perhaps I am like those who walk away from HD; my threshold for upgrade
> is just scaled differently from my associates.
>
> Howard in South Bend
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 18:17 -0400, Dr Robert A Fowkes wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > At 01:01 PM 7/26/2005, you wrote:
> > >I'll pay more for a high definition DVD but most
> > >people (95%) will not if given a choice. The percentage of people who
> will
> > >switch to high def. DVDs is far lower than the people who are switching
> to
> > >HDTV.
> >
> > Exactly! And that's the point I was making in discussing the
> > preponderance of CD over the higher quality SACD/DVD-A. The average
> > person sees it as an added cost without a corresponding benefit. I'm
> > not arguing against high Def. DVDs any more than I would be arguing
> > against SACD/DVD-As. We are preaching to the choir here. I'm just
> > saying that it will be a hard sell to the average consumer as long as
> > movies are available in a cheaper format with the same convenience
> > factor. (DVD vs. high Def DVD). It's just not the same as going
> > from video tape to disc (random access, menus, extras, etc.) We saw
> > the same migration in audio from Cassette Tapes to CDs for the same
> > reasons. Yes, HDTVs will become more commonplace but that doesn't
> > mean that the normal viewer will always watch the best source
> > available if the (perceived) quality difference is incremental.
> >
> >
> > -- RAF
> >
> >
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#2
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Keep in mind that CEA has within their membership all of the companies in
competition with each other. How could CEA make any choice of any
technology/format that came against one member in favor of another? It will
NEVER happen. They might plead for a deal for the welfare of the whole, but
they cannot enforce one.

Dale

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>
> Hi;
> Why doesn't the CEA take it upon themselves to get seriously involved in
> the Blu-ray-HDDVD controversy! They have a lot to gain from product
> interchangeability, and a lot more to lose by selling products no one
> dares to buy.
>
> How about an industry (Association) wide decision not to import one type
> as opposed to the other!
>
> I would be wiling to bet that if privatively owned retailers helped each
> other out say by SONY dealers supplying PANASONIC retailers with product
> (or the reverse) this matter could be resolved quickly. I suppose that
> most retailers sell products from both sides of this fence already, and
> there would be little "hardship" involved in such a marketing decision.
>
> I would also bet that the Bollywood hegemonies would be quickly
> dissolved in favor of product sales.
>
>
> Howard in South Bend, where football practice will start in several
> weeks!
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 11:24 -0400, Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Howard,
>>
>> I'll admit there are some real dogs visually out there on DVD, but there
>> are
>> also some real gems.
>> In the past couple of years I've found more gems than dogs at least in
>> terms
>> of picture quality. I find it hard to believe that the image quality
>> your
>> getting from DVD's is that bad. It begs the questions, what monitor are
>> you
>> using, has it been calibrated and what DVD player are you using?
>>
>> Anthony R.
>> Orlando, FL
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Howard A. Blackstead
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:59 PM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over Blu-Ray..........(the sounds and
>> sightsof one hand clapping)
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> RAF, You have a valid point. While several have commented about the
>> attractive gravity of HD content, I continue to be amazed by what most
>> viewers will accept. I am speaking particularly of the incredibly poor
>> quality of most of the DBS channels, and especially the down-rezzed
>> locals. Or how about the noise in the analog cable signals!
>>
>> Even after exposure to quality HD visuals, a number of my acquaintances
>> just shrug their shoulders and walk away! I suppose that this response
>> may be similar to response to early color TV (which really had poor
>> PQ).
>>
>> For my part, I have greatly attenuated my rate of DVD purchases, because
>> I can barely stand to watch them. I am anxiously awaiting the advent of
>> better PQ with the next generation technology, but I have the difficulty
>> that I do not have a display device with HDMI, and I will refuse to
>> spend on the order of an extra $6000 for a replacement just to enjoy
>> hddvds.
>>
>> Perhaps I am like those who walk away from HD; my threshold for upgrade
>> is just scaled differently from my associates.
>>
>> Howard in South Bend
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 18:17 -0400, Dr Robert A Fowkes wrote:
>> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>> >
>> > At 01:01 PM 7/26/2005, you wrote:
>> > >I'll pay more for a high definition DVD but most
>> > >people (95%) will not if given a choice. The percentage of people who
>> will
>> > >switch to high def. DVDs is far lower than the people who are
>> > >switching
>> to
>> > >HDTV.
>> >
>> > Exactly! And that's the point I was making in discussing the
>> > preponderance of CD over the higher quality SACD/DVD-A. The average
>> > person sees it as an added cost without a corresponding benefit. I'm
>> > not arguing against high Def. DVDs any more than I would be arguing
>> > against SACD/DVD-As. We are preaching to the choir here. I'm just
>> > saying that it will be a hard sell to the average consumer as long as
>> > movies are available in a cheaper format with the same convenience
>> > factor. (DVD vs. high Def DVD). It's just not the same as going
>> > from video tape to disc (random access, menus, extras, etc.) We saw
>> > the same migration in audio from Cassette Tapes to CDs for the same
>> > reasons. Yes, HDTVs will become more commonplace but that doesn't
>> > mean that the normal viewer will always watch the best source
>> > available if the (perceived) quality difference is incremental.
>> >
>> >
>> > -- RAF
>> >
>> >
>> > To unsubscribe please click: [email protected]
>> >
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>> > same
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#3
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Dale;
This could be regarded as a "women and children first" situation, even
though all are competing for "lifeboats". Preserving the "gene-pool" is
an easy decision (some say the gene pool needs more lifeguards anyway)!

Remember, we could have had a rail system with different gages! But we
don't because cooperation, with exchange of rolling stock, was better
than competition.

Suppose one of the competing manufacturers declared that it would supply
product to any retailer, regardless of brand-name affiliation! This
would be like GM saying to Ford dealers, we will give you the
opportunity to sell our product, if you agree not to sell model xxyy.

Howard in South Bend, where football practice will start in several
weeks!


On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 08:04 -0700, Dale Cripps wrote:
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>
> Keep in mind that CEA has within their membership all of the companies in
> competition with each other. How could CEA make any choice of any
> technology/format that came against one member in favor of another? It will
> NEVER happen. They might plead for a deal for the welfare of the whole, but
> they cannot enforce one.
>
> Dale
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Hi;
> > Why doesn't the CEA take it upon themselves to get seriously involved in
> > the Blu-ray-HDDVD controversy! They have a lot to gain from product
> > interchangeability, and a lot more to lose by selling products no one
> > dares to buy.
> >
> > How about an industry (Association) wide decision not to import one type
> > as opposed to the other!
> >
> > I would be wiling to bet that if privatively owned retailers helped each
> > other out say by SONY dealers supplying PANASONIC retailers with product
> > (or the reverse) this matter could be resolved quickly. I suppose that
> > most retailers sell products from both sides of this fence already, and
> > there would be little "hardship" involved in such a marketing decision.
> >
> > I would also bet that the Bollywood hegemonies would be quickly
> > dissolved in favor of product sales.
> >
> >
> > Howard in South Bend, where football practice will start in several
> > weeks!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 11:24 -0400, Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> Howard,
> >>
> >> I'll admit there are some real dogs visually out there on DVD, but there
> >> are
> >> also some real gems.
> >> In the past couple of years I've found more gems than dogs at least in
> >> terms
> >> of picture quality. I find it hard to believe that the image quality
> >> your
> >> getting from DVD's is that bad. It begs the questions, what monitor are
> >> you
> >> using, has it been calibrated and what DVD player are you using?
> >>
> >> Anthony R.
> >> Orlando, FL
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >> Howard A. Blackstead
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:59 PM
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Re: HD-DVD Preferred over Blu-Ray..........(the sounds and
> >> sightsof one hand clapping)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> RAF, You have a valid point. While several have commented about the
> >> attractive gravity of HD content, I continue to be amazed by what most
> >> viewers will accept. I am speaking particularly of the incredibly poor
> >> quality of most of the DBS channels, and especially the down-rezzed
> >> locals. Or how about the noise in the analog cable signals!
> >>
> >> Even after exposure to quality HD visuals, a number of my acquaintances
> >> just shrug their shoulders and walk away! I suppose that this response
> >> may be similar to response to early color TV (which really had poor
> >> PQ).
> >>
> >> For my part, I have greatly attenuated my rate of DVD purchases, because
> >> I can barely stand to watch them. I am anxiously awaiting the advent of
> >> better PQ with the next generation technology, but I have the difficulty
> >> that I do not have a display device with HDMI, and I will refuse to
> >> spend on the order of an extra $6000 for a replacement just to enjoy
> >> hddvds.
> >>
> >> Perhaps I am like those who walk away from HD; my threshold for upgrade
> >> is just scaled differently from my associates.
> >>
> >> Howard in South Bend
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 18:17 -0400, Dr Robert A Fowkes wrote:
> >> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >> >
> >> > At 01:01 PM 7/26/2005, you wrote:
> >> > >I'll pay more for a high definition DVD but most
> >> > >people (95%) will not if given a choice. The percentage of people who
> >> will
> >> > >switch to high def. DVDs is far lower than the people who are
> >> > >switching
> >> to
> >> > >HDTV.
> >> >
> >> > Exactly! And that's the point I was making in discussing the
> >> > preponderance of CD over the higher quality SACD/DVD-A. The average
> >> > person sees it as an added cost without a corresponding benefit. I'm
> >> > not arguing against high Def. DVDs any more than I would be arguing
> >> > against SACD/DVD-As. We are preaching to the choir here. I'm just
> >> > saying that it will be a hard sell to the average consumer as long as
> >> > movies are available in a cheaper format with the same convenience
> >> > factor. (DVD vs. high Def DVD). It's just not the same as going
> >> > from video tape to disc (random access, menus, extras, etc.) We saw
> >> > the same migration in audio from Cassette Tapes to CDs for the same
> >> > reasons. Yes, HDTVs will become more commonplace but that doesn't
> >> > mean that the normal viewer will always watch the best source
> >> > available if the (perceived) quality difference is incremental.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -- RAF
> >> >
> >> >
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