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Hi Doug,
I must be living in the right place, but unless I have missed something on
my bill the is no DVR service fee, just the monthly rental...but even at 15
a month, it will take 5.5 years before you would have spent 1000 dollars.
On top of that , I can switch my box out every time a new model comes out.
You can't do that with one that you've bought...and we all know what the
used electronics market is like. I do understand there are markets that
don't offer all of the networks on cable. That just isn't the case in
Charlotte.
Someone else mentioned the difference between the cable boxes and the Tivo
system. Yes that does exist, and I doubt anyone would argue that the cable
DVR's are somewaht lacking in that respect.......but the Sony will be too
probably. I am not sure how many folks have actually used cable cards on
the list, but they have been a nightmare in the Charlotte Market. Don't
really want to open up that can of worms. I do
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Weil" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: HD DVR
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mark,
>
> In some cable markets, HD DVRs can cost more than $15 a month if you add
> together the DVR equipment rental and DVR service fee, so as the price of
> DVR hardware falls, buying your own box will become more and more
> attractive.
>
> Of course, cable DVR rental and service fees MIGHT come down in the face
of
> cheap, cable-compatible hardware, but you can be fairly certain that WOULD
> NOT happen without an alternative to the local cable monopoly solution.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Doug
> Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>
> Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
> Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
>
> eMail: [email protected]
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>
> Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
> http://www.imagingscience.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Dave Hancock
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:22
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD DVR
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mark,
>
> There are (at least) two reasons why people would want to buy a HD DVR
> for OTA & cable:
>
> 1) The user interfaces on the cable supplied boxes are not up to
> expectations set by TiVo.
> 2) Due to outrageous demands by some broadcasters (Sinclair, for
> example) not all local HD channels are on cable. The result in
> Rochester, NY for example, is if you want to see "24" in HD you need to
> get it OTA.
>
> If this is not settled when the next season of "24" starts I'll have to
> do something different.
>
> Dave Hancock
> Mark Alford wrote:
>
> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >Most of the cable systems DVR's that are available do more than the Sony
> >pieces......Why would you want to buy one ? I am on a second generation
> >Scientic Atlanta piece after having the first generation. It cost me
> >nothing to upgrade and at the price I am paying it will take close to ten
> >years before the rent of the DVR will exceed the cost of buying one.
Plus,
> >unless they have made some tremendous strides with the cable cards over
the
> >last couple of months, there are stiill issues there as well.
> >
> >Not trying to start an argument, just curious.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Doug Weil" <[email protected]>
> >To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:45 AM
> >Subject: Re: HD DVR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Richard,
> >>
> >>Sony has two much-delayed products that fill the bill, the DHG-HDD250
and
> >>the DHG-HDD500. They supposedly are available now but I've heard so
little
> >>about these boxes, I have reason to doubt you could buy one right now.
> >>
> >>Both work with a CableCard and have an OTA ATSC tuner. The big drawbacks
I
> >>see are the price ($1000 for 60 hours capacity, or $800 for 30 hours)
and
> >>the fact that neither has dual-tuner recording ability.
> >>
> >>But still, it's hope for doing an end-around your local cableco.
> >>
> >>Review here:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_DHG_HDD500/4505-6474_7-31155752-2.html?tag=top
> >
> >
> >>Retailers selling them here:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_DHG_HDD500/4014-6474_7-31155752.html?tag=pdtl-
> l
> >
> >
> >>ist&q=
> >>
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>Doug
> >>Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
> >>
> >>Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
> >>Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
> >>
> >>eMail: [email protected]
> >>Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
> >>
> >>Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
> >>http://www.imagingscience.com
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of
> >>Richard
> >>Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 23:52
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: HD DVR
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Rodolfo,
> >>
> >>I just went through your report and find the landscape quite bleak for
> >>an HD DVR much less one that does both OTA and cable with a cable card.
> >>
> >>Please tell me I missed something or there is some hope on a near
> >>
> >>
> >horizon...
> >
> >
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Richard Fisher
> >>www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> >>A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
> >>
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Hi Doug,
I must be living in the right place, but unless I have missed something on
my bill the is no DVR service fee, just the monthly rental...but even at 15
a month, it will take 5.5 years before you would have spent 1000 dollars.
On top of that , I can switch my box out every time a new model comes out.
You can't do that with one that you've bought...and we all know what the
used electronics market is like. I do understand there are markets that
don't offer all of the networks on cable. That just isn't the case in
Charlotte.
Someone else mentioned the difference between the cable boxes and the Tivo
system. Yes that does exist, and I doubt anyone would argue that the cable
DVR's are somewaht lacking in that respect.......but the Sony will be too
probably. I am not sure how many folks have actually used cable cards on
the list, but they have been a nightmare in the Charlotte Market. Don't
really want to open up that can of worms. I do
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Weil" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: HD DVR
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mark,
>
> In some cable markets, HD DVRs can cost more than $15 a month if you add
> together the DVR equipment rental and DVR service fee, so as the price of
> DVR hardware falls, buying your own box will become more and more
> attractive.
>
> Of course, cable DVR rental and service fees MIGHT come down in the face
of
> cheap, cable-compatible hardware, but you can be fairly certain that WOULD
> NOT happen without an alternative to the local cable monopoly solution.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Doug
> Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>
> Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
> Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
>
> eMail: [email protected]
> Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
>
> Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
> http://www.imagingscience.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Dave Hancock
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:22
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD DVR
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Mark,
>
> There are (at least) two reasons why people would want to buy a HD DVR
> for OTA & cable:
>
> 1) The user interfaces on the cable supplied boxes are not up to
> expectations set by TiVo.
> 2) Due to outrageous demands by some broadcasters (Sinclair, for
> example) not all local HD channels are on cable. The result in
> Rochester, NY for example, is if you want to see "24" in HD you need to
> get it OTA.
>
> If this is not settled when the next season of "24" starts I'll have to
> do something different.
>
> Dave Hancock
> Mark Alford wrote:
>
> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >Most of the cable systems DVR's that are available do more than the Sony
> >pieces......Why would you want to buy one ? I am on a second generation
> >Scientic Atlanta piece after having the first generation. It cost me
> >nothing to upgrade and at the price I am paying it will take close to ten
> >years before the rent of the DVR will exceed the cost of buying one.
Plus,
> >unless they have made some tremendous strides with the cable cards over
the
> >last couple of months, there are stiill issues there as well.
> >
> >Not trying to start an argument, just curious.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Doug Weil" <[email protected]>
> >To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:45 AM
> >Subject: Re: HD DVR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Richard,
> >>
> >>Sony has two much-delayed products that fill the bill, the DHG-HDD250
and
> >>the DHG-HDD500. They supposedly are available now but I've heard so
little
> >>about these boxes, I have reason to doubt you could buy one right now.
> >>
> >>Both work with a CableCard and have an OTA ATSC tuner. The big drawbacks
I
> >>see are the price ($1000 for 60 hours capacity, or $800 for 30 hours)
and
> >>the fact that neither has dual-tuner recording ability.
> >>
> >>But still, it's hope for doing an end-around your local cableco.
> >>
> >>Review here:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_DHG_HDD500/4505-6474_7-31155752-2.html?tag=top
> >
> >
> >>Retailers selling them here:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_DHG_HDD500/4014-6474_7-31155752.html?tag=pdtl-
> l
> >
> >
> >>ist&q=
> >>
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>Doug
> >>Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
> >>
> >>Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
> >>Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
> >>
> >>eMail: [email protected]
> >>Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
> >>
> >>Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
> >>http://www.imagingscience.com
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of
> >>Richard
> >>Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 23:52
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: HD DVR
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Rodolfo,
> >>
> >>I just went through your report and find the landscape quite bleak for
> >>an HD DVR much less one that does both OTA and cable with a cable card.
> >>
> >>Please tell me I missed something or there is some hope on a near
> >>
> >>
> >horizon...
> >
> >
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Richard Fisher
> >>www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> >>A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
> >>
> >>
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