HD DVR and HBO HD

Started by tomkemp Jun 22, 2005 7 posts
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#1
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Not to drag this subject out but:

1) To me 1280x1080i is a significant downsampling/downrezzing, call it
whatever you want. While I believe that my Sony XBR has a very good line
doubler I can tell the difference between that and a signal that isn't
downsampled. It would be nice to know is what satellite channels are
downsampled and to what level and whether or not that downsampling ever
varies on a particular channel? The very best HD broadcasts that I have
seen have been on HDNet. Hats off to Mark Cuban. OTA HD is also very,
very good almost always better than HBO HD. I believe that the OTA
stations don't have the bandwidth constraints or perhaps the financial
considerations that satellite program providers do.

2) I sure as hell didn't imagine that dialog box that appeared when I began
recording Master and Commander. I went ahead and recorded it and played it
back and the recorded video was as poor as it was while I was watching the
program as it was being broadcast. Poor of course is a relative statement
when comparing it to full 1920x1080i. Honestly, I don't know if the other
stations are actually transmitting at 720p or 1080i or something else. All
I know is that that particular HBO broadcast and recording was basically no
better than a standard non-HD digital broadcast.

3) Although Verizon has yet (I think) to announce an agreement with HBO, I
wonder what level of resolution they will offer with their FiOS
offering? I understand that Verizon will be limited to the maximum
resolution that the program providers such as HBO are transmitting from
the satellite but I wonder if they are contemplating downsampling of their
own before the video signal is transmitted over the fiber? I believe that
fiber has virtually unlimited bandwidth capability and the overall
capability is only limited by the electronics in the path.

4) One last question and I'm sure that this has been asked before but what
source do HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. use when transmitting a movie? I
find it hard to believe that they are actually using film as the input to a
broadcast but one would think that it has to be of a higher quality and
resolution than a DVD.

Many thanks guys for all the valuable feedback and information I have
gleaning for the past four plus years from Dale's pioneering efforts. I
believe that this Tips list has succeeded even beyond Dale's
expectations. Kudos Dale.

Tom



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#2
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When I tried out the Comcast HD-DVR for a couple of weeks I could compare
Discovery HD between Comcast and DirecTV. That was the only station they had
in common. It was a noticeable difference. The Comcast picture was better
since they were broadcasting the 1920x1080i pic while DirecTV was
broadcasting something less to save bandwidth. I'm sure it will be even
easier to see a difference when my 1080P set arrives this Summer.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: HD DVR and HBO HD


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Not to drag this subject out but:
>
> 1) To me 1280x1080i is a significant downsampling/downrezzing, call it
> whatever you want. While I believe that my Sony XBR has a very good line
> doubler I can tell the difference between that and a signal that isn't
> downsampled. It would be nice to know is what satellite channels are
> downsampled and to what level and whether or not that downsampling ever
> varies on a particular channel? The very best HD broadcasts that I have
> seen have been on HDNet. Hats off to Mark Cuban. OTA HD is also very,
> very good almost always better than HBO HD. I believe that the OTA
> stations don't have the bandwidth constraints or perhaps the financial
> considerations that satellite program providers do.
>
> 2) I sure as hell didn't imagine that dialog box that appeared when I
> began recording Master and Commander. I went ahead and recorded it and
> played it back and the recorded video was as poor as it was while I was
> watching the program as it was being broadcast. Poor of course is a
> relative statement when comparing it to full 1920x1080i. Honestly, I
> don't know if the other stations are actually transmitting at 720p or
> 1080i or something else. All I know is that that particular HBO broadcast
> and recording was basically no better than a standard non-HD digital
> broadcast.
>
> 3) Although Verizon has yet (I think) to announce an agreement with HBO, I
> wonder what level of resolution they will offer with their FiOS offering?
> I understand that Verizon will be limited to the maximum resolution that
> the program providers such as HBO are transmitting from the satellite but
> I wonder if they are contemplating downsampling of their own before the
> video signal is transmitted over the fiber? I believe that fiber has
> virtually unlimited bandwidth capability and the overall capability is
> only limited by the electronics in the path.
>
> 4) One last question and I'm sure that this has been asked before but what
> source do HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. use when transmitting a movie? I
> find it hard to believe that they are actually using film as the input to
> a broadcast but one would think that it has to be of a higher quality and
> resolution than a DVD.
>
> Many thanks guys for all the valuable feedback and information I have
> gleaning for the past four plus years from Dale's pioneering efforts. I
> believe that this Tips list has succeeded even beyond Dale's expectations.
> Kudos Dale.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
> Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
> that take our breath away.
>
>
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#3
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> 1) To me 1280x1080i is a significant downsampling/downrezzing, call
> it whatever you want. While I believe that my Sony XBR has a very
> good line doubler I can tell the difference between that and a
> signal that isn't downsampled. It would be nice to know is what
> satellite channels are downsampled and to what level and whether or
> not that downsampling ever varies on a particular channel? The
> very best HD broadcasts that I have seen have been on HDNet. Hats
> off to Mark Cuban. OTA HD is also very, very good almost always
> better than HBO HD. I believe that the OTA stations don't have the
> bandwidth constraints or perhaps the financial considerations that
> satellite program providers do.

I agree. But, it should be noted that HDNet on DirecTV is also
1280x1080i (all 1080i channels on DirecTV are now and it does not
vary). HBO is also severely bit-starves. HBO, Showtime, and HDNet
Movies average about 9-11 Mb/s. HDNet gets a nice healthy 17.9 Mb/s.


> 2) I sure as hell didn't imagine that dialog box that appeared when
> I began recording Master and Commander. I went ahead and recorded
> it and played it back and the recorded video was as poor as it was
> while I was watching the program as it was being broadcast. Poor
> of course is a relative statement when comparing it to full
> 1920x1080i. Honestly, I don't know if the other stations are
> actually transmitting at 720p or 1080i or something else. All I
> know is that that particular HBO broadcast and recording was
> basically no better than a standard non-HD digital broadcast.

I believe that what happened to you happened. But, if the
downrezzing was for some reason enabled that one day (or your Tivo
was defective), it was an error and it has not been that way for the
99.9% of the other days that HBO-HD has been on the air. No one else
is currently experiencing what you saw. Have you tried recently?
You have repeatedly stated that they are doing something that they
are not, based on a sample of one test made some time ago. Others
are indicating that it is not being done now (nor has been except
perhaps for the one instance you encountered).

>
> 4) One last question and I'm sure that this has been asked before
> but what source do HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. use when
> transmitting a movie? I find it hard to believe that they are
> actually using film as the input to a broadcast but one would think
> that it has to be of a higher quality and resolution than a DVD.

They have films transferred to HD and broadcast that. It is indeed
better than DVD. But DirecTV decodes it and reencodes it at
1280x1080i at a much lower bitrate which can result in quality that
may be getting down to DVD or worse.

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Steve Martin
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#4
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Thomas,
Although I don't work with that team, I have been trying to look
into your question about Verizon FiOS TV and HBO. I have not been able
to get an "official" answer, so I am assuming the deal with HBO has not
been officially signed yet. Your assumption is accurate that the FTTP
will not have the bandwidth limitations of D* or Cable and therefore
they "should" be pushing through the highest resolution. That was a
major theme at SUPERCOMM the other week in Chicago: you need FTTP to
give three streams of HD + 5-15 Meg Data + 3 voice lines. Folks are
stating they can support HDTV because of a 20-30Meg pipe which is
true... as long as everyone in the house wants to watch the same thing
(or you are going to compress the signals!).
I will try to keep the tips list updated on anything I am
permitted to say. I do know there are signed deals with Discovery and
Showtime. That was in a release yesterday celebrating the one year
anniversary of the first call on a Verizon FTTP network!

Thanks,

-Ilan
Washington DC




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Thomas B Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:05 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: HD DVR and HBO HD

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Not to drag this subject out but:

1) To me 1280x1080i is a significant downsampling/downrezzing, call it
whatever you want. While I believe that my Sony XBR has a very good
line
doubler I can tell the difference between that and a signal that isn't
downsampled. It would be nice to know is what satellite channels are
downsampled and to what level and whether or not that downsampling ever
varies on a particular channel? The very best HD broadcasts that I have

seen have been on HDNet. Hats off to Mark Cuban. OTA HD is also very,
very good almost always better than HBO HD. I believe that the OTA
stations don't have the bandwidth constraints or perhaps the financial
considerations that satellite program providers do.

2) I sure as hell didn't imagine that dialog box that appeared when I
began
recording Master and Commander. I went ahead and recorded it and played
it
back and the recorded video was as poor as it was while I was watching
the
program as it was being broadcast. Poor of course is a relative
statement
when comparing it to full 1920x1080i. Honestly, I don't know if the
other
stations are actually transmitting at 720p or 1080i or something else.
All
I know is that that particular HBO broadcast and recording was basically
no
better than a standard non-HD digital broadcast.

3) Although Verizon has yet (I think) to announce an agreement with HBO,
I
wonder what level of resolution they will offer with their FiOS
offering? I understand that Verizon will be limited to the maximum
resolution that the program providers such as HBO are transmitting from

the satellite but I wonder if they are contemplating downsampling of
their
own before the video signal is transmitted over the fiber? I believe
that
fiber has virtually unlimited bandwidth capability and the overall
capability is only limited by the electronics in the path.

4) One last question and I'm sure that this has been asked before but
what
source do HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. use when transmitting a movie? I

find it hard to believe that they are actually using film as the input
to a
broadcast but one would think that it has to be of a higher quality and
resolution than a DVD.

Many thanks guys for all the valuable feedback and information I have
gleaning for the past four plus years from Dale's pioneering efforts. I

believe that this Tips list has succeeded even beyond Dale's
expectations. Kudos Dale.

Tom



AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
moments
that take our breath away.



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#5
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What is FiOS TV and FTTP?

Jason Burroughs


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Eframian, Ilan
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:56 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HD DVR and HBO HD

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thomas,
Although I don't work with that team, I have been trying to look
into your question about Verizon FiOS TV and HBO. I have not been able
to get an "official" answer, so I am assuming the deal with HBO has not
been officially signed yet. Your assumption is accurate that the FTTP
will not have the bandwidth limitations of D* or Cable and therefore
they "should" be pushing through the highest resolution. That was a
major theme at SUPERCOMM the other week in Chicago: you need FTTP to
give three streams of HD + 5-15 Meg Data + 3 voice lines. Folks are
stating they can support HDTV because of a 20-30Meg pipe which is
true... as long as everyone in the house wants to watch the same thing
(or you are going to compress the signals!).
I will try to keep the tips list updated on anything I am
permitted to say. I do know there are signed deals with Discovery and
Showtime. That was in a release yesterday celebrating the one year
anniversary of the first call on a Verizon FTTP network!

Thanks,

-Ilan
Washington DC




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Thomas B Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:05 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: HD DVR and HBO HD

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Not to drag this subject out but:

1) To me 1280x1080i is a significant downsampling/downrezzing, call it
whatever you want. While I believe that my Sony XBR has a very good
line
doubler I can tell the difference between that and a signal that isn't
downsampled. It would be nice to know is what satellite channels are
downsampled and to what level and whether or not that downsampling ever
varies on a particular channel? The very best HD broadcasts that I have

seen have been on HDNet. Hats off to Mark Cuban. OTA HD is also very,
very good almost always better than HBO HD. I believe that the OTA
stations don't have the bandwidth constraints or perhaps the financial
considerations that satellite program providers do.

2) I sure as hell didn't imagine that dialog box that appeared when I
began
recording Master and Commander. I went ahead and recorded it and played
it
back and the recorded video was as poor as it was while I was watching
the
program as it was being broadcast. Poor of course is a relative
statement
when comparing it to full 1920x1080i. Honestly, I don't know if the
other
stations are actually transmitting at 720p or 1080i or something else.
All
I know is that that particular HBO broadcast and recording was basically
no
better than a standard non-HD digital broadcast.

3) Although Verizon has yet (I think) to announce an agreement with HBO,
I
wonder what level of resolution they will offer with their FiOS
offering? I understand that Verizon will be limited to the maximum
resolution that the program providers such as HBO are transmitting from

the satellite but I wonder if they are contemplating downsampling of
their
own before the video signal is transmitted over the fiber? I believe
that
fiber has virtually unlimited bandwidth capability and the overall
capability is only limited by the electronics in the path.

4) One last question and I'm sure that this has been asked before but
what
source do HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. use when transmitting a movie? I

find it hard to believe that they are actually using film as the input
to a
broadcast but one would think that it has to be of a higher quality and
resolution than a DVD.

Many thanks guys for all the valuable feedback and information I have
gleaning for the past four plus years from Dale's pioneering efforts. I

believe that this Tips list has succeeded even beyond Dale's
expectations. Kudos Dale.

Tom



AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
moments
that take our breath away.



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#6
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I thought that I missed the emails myself regarding this technology. Verizon
is in my area but I am totally ignorant on the this subject of "FiOS TV" and
"FTTP". Must households have fiber into the house? I am aware of Verizon
doing this work in different areas of NY, just not in my backyard.

> From: [email protected]
> Reply-To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:11:29 -0500
> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: HD DVR and HBO HD
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> What is FiOS TV and FTTP?
>
> Jason Burroughs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
> Of Eframian, Ilan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:56 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HD DVR and HBO HD
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thomas,
> Although I don't work with that team, I have been trying to look
> into your question about Verizon FiOS TV and HBO. I have not been able
> to get an "official" answer, so I am assuming the deal with HBO has not
> been officially signed yet. Your assumption is accurate that the FTTP
> will not have the bandwidth limitations of D* or Cable and therefore
> they "should" be pushing through the highest resolution. That was a
> major theme at SUPERCOMM the other week in Chicago: you need FTTP to
> give three streams of HD + 5-15 Meg Data + 3 voice lines. Folks are
> stating they can support HDTV because of a 20-30Meg pipe which is
> true... as long as everyone in the house wants to watch the same thing
> (or you are going to compress the signals!).
> I will try to keep the tips list updated on anything I am
> permitted to say. I do know there are signed deals with Discovery and
> Showtime. That was in a release yesterday celebrating the one year
> anniversary of the first call on a Verizon FTTP network!
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Ilan
> Washington DC
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
> Of Thomas B Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:05 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: HD DVR and HBO HD
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Not to drag this subject out but:
>
> 1) To me 1280x1080i is a significant downsampling/downrezzing, call it
> whatever you want. While I believe that my Sony XBR has a very good
> line
> doubler I can tell the difference between that and a signal that isn't
> downsampled. It would be nice to know is what satellite channels are
> downsampled and to what level and whether or not that downsampling ever
> varies on a particular channel? The very best HD broadcasts that I have
>
> seen have been on HDNet. Hats off to Mark Cuban. OTA HD is also very,
> very good almost always better than HBO HD. I believe that the OTA
> stations don't have the bandwidth constraints or perhaps the financial
> considerations that satellite program providers do.
>
> 2) I sure as hell didn't imagine that dialog box that appeared when I
> began
> recording Master and Commander. I went ahead and recorded it and played
> it
> back and the recorded video was as poor as it was while I was watching
> the
> program as it was being broadcast. Poor of course is a relative
> statement
> when comparing it to full 1920x1080i. Honestly, I don't know if the
> other
> stations are actually transmitting at 720p or 1080i or something else.
> All
> I know is that that particular HBO broadcast and recording was basically
> no
> better than a standard non-HD digital broadcast.
>
> 3) Although Verizon has yet (I think) to announce an agreement with HBO,
> I
> wonder what level of resolution they will offer with their FiOS
> offering? I understand that Verizon will be limited to the maximum
> resolution that the program providers such as HBO are transmitting from
>
> the satellite but I wonder if they are contemplating downsampling of
> their
> own before the video signal is transmitted over the fiber? I believe
> that
> fiber has virtually unlimited bandwidth capability and the overall
> capability is only limited by the electronics in the path.
>
> 4) One last question and I'm sure that this has been asked before but
> what
> source do HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. use when transmitting a movie? I
>
> find it hard to believe that they are actually using film as the input
> to a
> broadcast but one would think that it has to be of a higher quality and
> resolution than a DVD.
>
> Many thanks guys for all the valuable feedback and information I have
> gleaning for the past four plus years from Dale's pioneering efforts. I
>
> believe that this Tips list has succeeded even beyond Dale's
> expectations. Kudos Dale.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
> Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
> moments
> that take our breath away.
>
>
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FTTP is Fiber To The Premises, and Fios is Verizon's brand of it ... their
service.

-- M. Shane Sturgeon



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----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

What is FiOS TV and FTTP?

Jason Burroughs


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Eframian, Ilan
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:56 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HD DVR and HBO HD

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thomas,
Although I don't work with that team, I have been trying to
look
into your question about Verizon FiOS TV and HBO. I have not been able
to get an "official" answer, so I am assuming the deal with HBO has not
been officially signed yet. Your assumption is accurate that the FTTP
will not have the bandwidth limitations of D* or Cable and therefore
they "should" be pushing through the highest resolution. That was a
major theme at SUPERCOMM the other week in Chicago: you need FTTP to
give three streams of HD + 5-15 Meg Data + 3 voice lines. Folks are
stating they can support HDTV because of a 20-30Meg pipe which is
true... as long as everyone in the house wants to watch the same thing
(or you are going to compress the signals!).
I will try to keep the tips list updated on anything I am
permitted to say. I do know there are signed deals with Discovery and
Showtime. That was in a release yesterday celebrating the one year
anniversary of the first call on a Verizon FTTP network!

Thanks,

-Ilan
Washington DC




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Thomas B Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:05 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: HD DVR and HBO HD

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Not to drag this subject out but:

1) To me 1280x1080i is a significant downsampling/downrezzing, call it
whatever you want. While I believe that my Sony XBR has a very good
line
doubler I can tell the difference between that and a signal that isn't
downsampled. It would be nice to know is what satellite channels are
downsampled and to what level and whether or not that downsampling ever
varies on a particular channel? The very best HD broadcasts that I have

seen have been on HDNet. Hats off to Mark Cuban. OTA HD is also very,
very good almost always better than HBO HD. I believe that the OTA
stations don't have the bandwidth constraints or perhaps the financial
considerations that satellite program providers do.

2) I sure as hell didn't imagine that dialog box that appeared when I
began
recording Master and Commander. I went ahead and recorded it and played
it
back and the recorded video was as poor as it was while I was watching
the
program as it was being broadcast. Poor of course is a relative
statement
when comparing it to full 1920x1080i. Honestly, I don't know if the
other
stations are actually transmitting at 720p or 1080i or something else.
All
I know is that that particular HBO broadcast and recording was basically
no
better than a standard non-HD digital broadcast.

3) Although Verizon has yet (I think) to announce an agreement with HBO,
I
wonder what level of resolution they will offer with their FiOS
offering? I understand that Verizon will be limited to the maximum
resolution that the program providers such as HBO are transmitting from

the satellite but I wonder if they are contemplating downsampling of
their
own before the video signal is transmitted over the fiber? I believe
that
fiber has virtually unlimited bandwidth capability and the overall
capability is only limited by the electronics in the path.

4) One last question and I'm sure that this has been asked before but
what
source do HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. use when transmitting a movie? I

find it hard to believe that they are actually using film as the input
to a
broadcast but one would think that it has to be of a higher quality and
resolution than a DVD.

Many thanks guys for all the valuable feedback and information I have
gleaning for the past four plus years from Dale's pioneering efforts. I

believe that this Tips list has succeeded even beyond Dale's
expectations. Kudos Dale.

Tom



AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
moments
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