HDMI 1.3 question from Larry

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Rodolfo,

As usual you have all the detail on this.

Does the emergence of this connector technology create such a difference
that a future purchase of not only a new monitor but also a Blu-Ray player
should be held off until this technology is available?

I guess this would also mean purchase of a controller/receiver that also had
this connection technology, right?


Thanks again Rodolfo!!



Larry




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: HDMI 1.3 question from Larry

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Larry,

I recently was called to receive a private presentation of v 1.3 before it
went public by Leslie Chard, President of HDMI Licensing LLC, and I had the
chance to discuss also the issues of the current HDMI problems of
connectivity.

To address only your question of video, HDMI 1.3 spec is just out, the
bandwidth of the spec has increased to 340 MHz. Equipment and wires
availability is another story.

Here are some of the key updates to HDMI:

Double the bandwidth:
HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth from 165MHz (4.95 gigabits per
second) to 340 MHz (10.2
Gbps) to support the demands of future high definition display devices, such
as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates.

Deep Color:
HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up
from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification. With
the adoption of Deep Color and the xvYCC color space, HDMI 1.3 removes the
previous interface-related restrictions on color selection. The interface
will no longer be a constraining pipe that forces all content to fit within
a limited set of colors, unlike all previous video interfaces. Lets HDTVs
and other displays go from millions of colors to billions of colors.
Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle
gradations between colors. Enables increased contrast ratio. Can represent
many times more shades of gray between black and white. At 30-bit pixel
depth, four times more shades of gray would be the minimum, and the typical
improvement would be eight times or more.
HDMI 1.3 removes virtually all limits on color selection and supports 1.8
times as many colors as existing HDTV signals. Lets HDTVs display colors
more accurately and with more natural and vivid colors.

The other features are related to new lossless audio formats, lip sync, and
miniconnector, I am not including the details because that was not your
question, for complete details there is a dedicated section on the report.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:58 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray


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Hey Fellas,

We need Rodolfo to answer this one.......when the new 1.3 HDMI spec
connector come out, how will that improve the picture and is this another
thing we should wait for in a Blu Ray player?

I'm sure everyone knows that the Sony unit will NOT plays CD's like the
Sammy unit will.

Larry



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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jeff Odell
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:52 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray

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hehehe I am with you Bill. I am not really that surprised that he
was ignorant. The $1200 price tag was a bit silly. I will wait a
little while and let the REALLY early adopters buy the first units and see
how they work in real life.

I will definitely buy a Blu-Ray player but I might wait for a better price
point. I would also like more than 1 choice of hardware manufacturers.

Jeff

On 6/23/06, Bill Tilghman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
> I'm shocked, SHOCKED to hear that a salesman at BestBuy would be
> lacking in knowledge!
>
> Bill T.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
> Of Jeff Odell
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:40 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Blu-Ray
>
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>
> I stopped by the local Best Buy / Magnolia Home Theater. The first
> demo setup right inside the door was a 50" Samsung plasma playing a
> blu-ray movie. I sat down and watched for a few minutes.
>
> My immediate thought was that this is interlaced video. I tracked
> down the kid working the store and he eventually confirmed that the TV
> would only accept 1080i. Unfortunately it took about 10 mintues to
> get him to admit that we weren't actually watching 1080p. He seemed
> stuck on the fact that Toshiba and Samsung assured him that all HD-DVD
> or Blu-Ray is 1080p.
>
> He would not allow me to touch the remote for the TV or Blu-Ray
> player. I politely thaked him and told him I would not spend $1200
> for a Blu-Ray player if I couldn't at least touch the remote and see
> how the system worked.
>
> Long story short, I went in to see the price and walked out frustrated
> by the lack of knowlege of the salesman.
>
> Jeff
>
> On 6/23/06, Jason Burroughs <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > I'm selling my hd dvd player and waiting for a pc version for
> > blu-ray and hd-dvd personally...
> >
> > Jeff Odell wrote:
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > What was Best Buy's price? I haven't had the chance to even go
> > > and try to see a Blu-Ray player since the release on Tuesday.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > On 6/23/06, Hugh Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>
> > >> I saw the Samsung Blu-Ray player at Best Buy the other day and
> > >> was wondering if anyone has picked one up to try. Since I had
> > >> nothing to compare it with
> > >> I could not tell how it was performing. Since we are on the cutting
> > >> edge
> > >> of technology I figured someone already has one.
> > >>
> > >> Hugh
> > >>
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Larry,

Holding a purchase for this reason is a very personal situation. I only limit myself to highlight
the features. The buyer should decide if waiting is better. This is like holding the purchase of a
DVI equipment because HDMI is just coming (2003), you would loose some features (like multichannel
audio on the same connector on this DVI vs. HDMI case) but it always comes down to how bad one wants
to experience what is available now, not six months from now.

All the equipment and wires that are currently HDMI capable would have to be suited with v 1.3 chip
sets and all would have to repass the Simplay tests to have the right to the 1.3 logo. You can
guess how long that would take, although the PS3 has been claimed to come out with 1.3 in Nov.

The expansion of the color features could be claimed on the chip and wire but one has to remember
that the source and receiving equipment should be capable to technically produce and display/handle
such color features, so that is another issue that might increase the waiting, not just the wire and
the chips.

Although the information released officially by HDMI does not indicate that a dual link version
could then be assumed to be capable to double up the 10Gbps to even 20 Gbps with type B (such as the
original DVI and HDMI did with single at 5 and double link at 10Gbps), it is actually the case
according with my private exchanges with Joseph Lee, Director of Marketing at Silicon Image, and
apparently it has even higher capabilities. With such speed one could even think about several
1080p/60 HD sessions simultaneously, such as dual tuner equipment for recording and viewing two
different signals, both at 1080p, if that equipment is eventually designed. Type B wiring for dual
link is not being implemented by anyone at this time, according to SI.

As I said on one of my articles, some people upgrade very often to keep up with every little
technical innovation, other people are more budget oriented and wait until a format is solid or a
feature (like 1.3) is broadly used on all the pieces of the system, some other do it because they
are ill about having lived with all of the toys out there while on earth.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:20 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HDMI 1.3 question from Larry


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Rodolfo,

As usual you have all the detail on this.

Does the emergence of this connector technology create such a difference
that a future purchase of not only a new monitor but also a Blu-Ray player
should be held off until this technology is available?

I guess this would also mean purchase of a controller/receiver that also had
this connection technology, right?


Thanks again Rodolfo!!



Larry




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: HDMI 1.3 question from Larry

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Larry,

I recently was called to receive a private presentation of v 1.3 before it
went public by Leslie Chard, President of HDMI Licensing LLC, and I had the
chance to discuss also the issues of the current HDMI problems of
connectivity.

To address only your question of video, HDMI 1.3 spec is just out, the
bandwidth of the spec has increased to 340 MHz. Equipment and wires
availability is another story.

Here are some of the key updates to HDMI:

Double the bandwidth:
HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth from 165MHz (4.95 gigabits per
second) to 340 MHz (10.2
Gbps) to support the demands of future high definition display devices, such
as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates.

Deep Color:
HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up
from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification. With
the adoption of Deep Color and the xvYCC color space, HDMI 1.3 removes the
previous interface-related restrictions on color selection. The interface
will no longer be a constraining pipe that forces all content to fit within
a limited set of colors, unlike all previous video interfaces. Lets HDTVs
and other displays go from millions of colors to billions of colors.
Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle
gradations between colors. Enables increased contrast ratio. Can represent
many times more shades of gray between black and white. At 30-bit pixel
depth, four times more shades of gray would be the minimum, and the typical
improvement would be eight times or more.
HDMI 1.3 removes virtually all limits on color selection and supports 1.8
times as many colors as existing HDTV signals. Lets HDTVs display colors
more accurately and with more natural and vivid colors.

The other features are related to new lossless audio formats, lip sync, and
miniconnector, I am not including the details because that was not your
question, for complete details there is a dedicated section on the report.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:58 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Hey Fellas,

We need Rodolfo to answer this one.......when the new 1.3 HDMI spec
connector come out, how will that improve the picture and is this another
thing we should wait for in a Blu Ray player?

I'm sure everyone knows that the Sony unit will NOT plays CD's like the
Sammy unit will.

Larry



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jeff Odell
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:52 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray

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hehehe I am with you Bill. I am not really that surprised that he
was ignorant. The $1200 price tag was a bit silly. I will wait a
little while and let the REALLY early adopters buy the first units and see
how they work in real life.

I will definitely buy a Blu-Ray player but I might wait for a better price
point. I would also like more than 1 choice of hardware manufacturers.

Jeff

On 6/23/06, Bill Tilghman <[email protected]> wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I'm shocked, SHOCKED to hear that a salesman at BestBuy would be
> lacking in knowledge!
>
> Bill T.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
> Of Jeff Odell
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:40 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Blu-Ray
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I stopped by the local Best Buy / Magnolia Home Theater. The first
> demo setup right inside the door was a 50" Samsung plasma playing a
> blu-ray movie. I sat down and watched for a few minutes.
>
> My immediate thought was that this is interlaced video. I tracked
> down the kid working the store and he eventually confirmed that the TV
> would only accept 1080i. Unfortunately it took about 10 mintues to
> get him to admit that we weren't actually watching 1080p. He seemed
> stuck on the fact that Toshiba and Samsung assured him that all HD-DVD
> or Blu-Ray is 1080p.
>
> He would not allow me to touch the remote for the TV or Blu-Ray
> player. I politely thaked him and told him I would not spend $1200
> for a Blu-Ray player if I couldn't at least touch the remote and see
> how the system worked.
>
> Long story short, I went in to see the price and walked out frustrated
> by the lack of knowlege of the salesman.
>
> Jeff
>
> On 6/23/06, Jason Burroughs <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > I'm selling my hd dvd player and waiting for a pc version for
> > blu-ray and hd-dvd personally...
> >
> > Jeff Odell wrote:
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > What was Best Buy's price? I haven't had the chance to even go
> > > and try to see a Blu-Ray player since the release on Tuesday.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > On 6/23/06, Hugh Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>
> > >> I saw the Samsung Blu-Ray player at Best Buy the other day and
> > >> was wondering if anyone has picked one up to try. Since I had
> > >> nothing to compare it with
> > >> I could not tell how it was performing. Since we are on the cutting
> > >> edge
> > >> of technology I figured someone already has one.
> > >>
> > >> Hugh
> > >>
> > >>
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