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Bob,
You are welcome to endeavor yourself in such study and offer the data, sorry I can not offer more
efforts than I am giving already.
In the mean time, in the absence of data and comparative analysis I choose to trust better a
reputable cable manufacturer that has given me good results in the past when I need to connect
quality equipment.
A reputable cable manufacturer is not exactly a famous brand name manufacturer, and that is when I
believe you did not read well my email.
In fact I recommended not to trust the famous brand name just because the cable is thicker, and that
was clear on my email.
I have information of exactly the opposite, which does not necessarily applies to all the products
that famous brand name manufacturer produces, which makes the task more complicated to the consumer.
In such case, as I said above, in the absence of scientific comparative data, I would rather trust a
reputable cable manufacturer that has giving me quality products in the past, than connect my
quality equipment with cables I never tried before, you have any problem with that common sense
logic, which is not preaching, that is when the politics start, no data, opinion impositions, pocket
driven decisions, etc. I am not getting into that, I was clear, and you insist in getting into it.
Your tone was obvious against Silicon Image and whoever finds merit on buying cable from reputable
manufacturers (not famous brand name necessarily), there are many constructive approaches one could
follow to make an exchange beneficial, unfortunately you have not chosen that way.
I am afraid that I can not continue this exchange, I made my points clear 3 times already, perhaps
you do not want to read what you read.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:09 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: HDMI Cable
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Rodolfo,
First and foremost, a disagreement with your views is not "tone", it's
simply a differing opinion. If we are to create this air where your comments
are somehow infallible and unquestionable, then we've crossed the line from
informational forum to Pulpit.
I answered Hugh's question sticking to two technical parameters(admittedly
oversimplifying) that could be checked in evaluating a cable. You responded
with a message saying you won't engage in politics and then proceeded to do
just that.
Color me confused.
If you wish to present studies and data as being valid, wouldn't you think
it important to understand who is doing those studies so as to eliminate any
possible bias? How is that a threat to you or an attack on Silicon Image?
Independent peer reviews are not a new concept, but one this industry seems
to be quite averse to, for whatever reason. To say a study was done and then
offer no data, no parameters and no details on the results other than it
fits your opinion is just silly, don't you think?
We're talking the construction of a shielded twisted pair cable and that
doesn't take rocket science to accomplish.
The zip cord comment is inappropriate, not to mention ridiculous.
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Rodolfo La Maestra
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:54 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HDMI Cable
>
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>
> Bob,
>
> If you carefully reread my email you will realize I am not defending a
> famous brand name, but one
> that has reputation for quality, in fact the information I provided
> privately confirms that a famous
> brand name is not always a guarantee regardless of the thickness.
>
> Bob, you are putting a tone on the exchange that begins to be
> unnecessarily confrontational looking
> for a fight, and obviously have an agenda against Silicon Image that runs
> for long, I am not
> planning to dance that tune.
>
> You are free to use zip cord from Home Depot to make your own HDMI wires,
> make your own independent
> testing and publish the results.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Bob Mankin
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:21 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HDMI Cable
>
>
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>
> Rodolfo,
>
> Science is validating the claims with recognized testing and applying the
> laws of physics.
>
> Politics is taking the claims of biased interests who offer no data and
> merely suggest you trust them on face value.
>
> If the intent is to educate folks, it's better if the data were presented
> and independently peer reviewed. Silicon Image receives licensing and
> royalties from everyone who wants to use the HDMI logo. Is it really a
> surprise they won't say a low cost non-licensed cable would be OK?
>
> Sorry, but "famous brand name" in this biz is typically a setup for
> picking
> your pocket. Get an independent lab to test this stuff to settle the
> discussion once and for all.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Rodolfo La Maestra
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 11:21 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HDMI Cable
>
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>
> Hugh,
>
> As you know I no longer get into the politics that forums make of the
> subject of using quality
> wiring for quality applications.
>
> I have information from Silicon Image and a TV manufacturer regarding
> their
> experiences and testing
> using thick HDMI wires and some famous brand cable for 1080p applications.
>
> It highlights how traditional procedures cable manufactures used for
> building other wiring for years
> could make HDMI wires perform not to the level of quality such thickness
> makes you believe they
> would.
>
> In other words, for applications where you can not afford compromising
> quality I would not trust a
> thicker wire from a non-reputable wire manufacturer, regardless of the
> length and the gold finish of
> the connector.
>
> If you like to get some more detail information please email me privately.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Bob Mankin
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:52 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: HDMI Cable
>
>
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>
> Hugh,
>
> Only important if your cable is out near the upper threshold of the spec
> at
> 15 meters. The higher gauge will offer lower resistance and might be the
> make or break at the extreme.
>
> For typical cable lengths in the average user's home, no benefit. It's the
> quality of the termination that is more important than the wire gauge in
> these cables. As long as the quality of assembly at the terminations is
> observed to maintain good S/N and near end crosstalk numbers, a $10 cable
> will perform equally as well as a $100 cable in this application. This
> fact
> can be verified and quantified through simple lab testing.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:01 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: HDMI Cable
>
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>
> How important is the gauge of a HDMI cable? I've seen these cables for
> sale
>
> with stated gauges running from 22AWG to 28AWG. It appears that the
> longer
> cables are of a higher thickness. Just curious.
>
> Hugh
>
>
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