High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?

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Interesting article...would love to hear some comments.

http://videosystems.com/e-newsletters/H ... DVD102605/

High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?

Barry Braverman

Oct 26, 2005 3:45 PM


We've all heard it a hundred times: I just bought a new super-size
LCD-DLP-plasma -LCoS flat screen and it's just fantastic being finally able
to see my DVDs in HD. Huh? What's this? Absurd, you say? Never mind the
currently raging high-definition format war, the fact is there are a great
many folks out there who think DVD is already a high-definition format.

After all, if it looks like HD and sounds like HD, it must be HD, right?

For some reason, this point tends to be overlooked in the current HD-DVD
versus Blu-ray discussion. Truth is, most viewers at a normal viewing
distance from their TV can't distinguish between HD and SD resolution
images. Even at a relatively huge 62-inches, today's displays are invariably
too small for most Americans to see any difference, sitting on average about
9-10 feet from their screens. It is a different story in Japan of course
where living rooms and family rooms are substantially smaller.

Ditto for the viewing distance in your local mega electronics store where
gawking customers in the aisles routinely pass within inches of the mammoth
TVs. You'd have to be blind to miss HD's superior resolution under these
conditions. All of which supports my point: under typical television viewing
conditions especially in the U.S., the actual resolution of DVD images above
a certain point is moot. From every indication, standard definition in the
home environment is good enough if viewers can't tell what is HD resolution
and what (like DVD) is not.

There are other factors as well that may contribute to viewers'
misperception of standard definition DVD. The brighter plasma and flat panel
displays are certainly a major factor with measured contrast ratios in some
sets up to 3000:1. The heightened brightness along with the improved
contrast helps explain the public's erroneous perception of standard DVD as
an HD resolution medium.

HD cameras fitted with 1440 x 1080 imagers make a related point as contrast
falls off sharply approaching the 1440 horizontal pixel resolution. Destined
for ultimate 1920 X 1080 display, the diminished contrast at the 1440
cut-off obviates the need to capture additional detail up to 1920 because
viewers are unlikely to perceive any additional detail beyond 1440
horizontal resolution anyway.

If the industry can accept limits on viewer's perception of resolution in HD
cameras, why can't it accept comparable viewer limits in perception of
resolution in the DVD context? Aren't viewer's perceptions or misperceptions
regarding "high definition" DVD just as valid?

The public's apparent confusion over DVD's presumed resolution can be
attributed also to the consumer format's 16 x 9 aspect ratio, which many
viewers associate automatically with high definition. This is made a bit
more understandable if one looks at the history of 16 x 9. Raphael's School
of Athens in the 16th century recognized the seductive power of the "Golden
Rectangle".

Centuries later in 1958, American Express arrived at the same realization,
adopting the "widescreen" format for its newly introduced credit card.
Widescreen 16 x 9 in whatever context, be it in the arts, personal finance
or television, has always been a hot seller, its appeal synonymous with the
cutting edge and most recently at least, in the public's perception, with
high definition.

And then there is the sound issue. In the last few years, DVD viewers in
increasing numbers have abandoned the tiny single speaker in the TV cabinet
that used to be good enough. Today, with the proliferation of elaborate home
theatres, audio reproduction has achieved astounding fidelity and clarity,
with potent 5.1 playback systems linked to larger and more competent speaker
arrays approaching in many ways the auditory experience of commercial
cinemas.

It's no secret that improved audio can elevate the perceived quality and
resolution of the associated images. Perhaps this is what is happening here
to some degree as audiences feeling more immersed in the audio experience,
extend that intensity to DVD's visual experience as well.

The bottom line is, for a variety of reasons, much of the public believes
they are already watching high-definition DVDs. The industry can try to
convince them otherwise, but it's going to take some doing and massive
marketing.

Powerful interests on both sides of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray divide are currently
engaged in a rough-and-tough epic struggle. But if consumers can't perceive
any difference or advantage in a true HD-resolution DVD, will they actually
spring for the new players and discs of whatever format prevails and
ultimately becomes available?


Jason



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I believe this guy is only talking about high definition DVD and if so he is
not far off when you consider the average person comparing a movie at 480p
vs 1080i such as with a D-VHS. I've viewed several and the difference is
not like watching a televised event in 720p or 1080i versus SD. I've had a
hard time trying to figure out why the majority of people who already have a
movie would spend the money to get one in high def. It's not like going
from VHS to DVD. I personally can't wait but for the masses...............?

Hugh



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Interesting article...would love to hear some comments.
>
> http://videosystems.com/e-newsletters/H ... DVD102605/
>
> High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
>
> Barry Braverman
>
> Oct 26, 2005 3:45 PM
>
>
> We've all heard it a hundred times: I just bought a new super-size
> LCD-DLP-plasma -LCoS flat screen and it's just fantastic being finally
> able
> to see my DVDs in HD. Huh? What's this? Absurd, you say? Never mind the
> currently raging high-definition format war, the fact is there are a great
> many folks out there who think DVD is already a high-definition format.
>
> After all, if it looks like HD and sounds like HD, it must be HD, right?
>
> For some reason, this point tends to be overlooked in the current HD-DVD
> versus Blu-ray discussion. Truth is, most viewers at a normal viewing
> distance from their TV can't distinguish between HD and SD resolution
> images. Even at a relatively huge 62-inches, today's displays are
> invariably
> too small for most Americans to see any difference, sitting on average
> about
> 9-10 feet from their screens. It is a different story in Japan of course
> where living rooms and family rooms are substantially smaller.
>
> Ditto for the viewing distance in your local mega electronics store where
> gawking customers in the aisles routinely pass within inches of the
> mammoth
> TVs. You'd have to be blind to miss HD's superior resolution under these
> conditions. All of which supports my point: under typical television
> viewing
> conditions especially in the U.S., the actual resolution of DVD images
> above
> a certain point is moot. From every indication, standard definition in the
> home environment is good enough if viewers can't tell what is HD
> resolution
> and what (like DVD) is not.
>
> There are other factors as well that may contribute to viewers'
> misperception of standard definition DVD. The brighter plasma and flat
> panel
> displays are certainly a major factor with measured contrast ratios in
> some
> sets up to 3000:1. The heightened brightness along with the improved
> contrast helps explain the public's erroneous perception of standard DVD
> as
> an HD resolution medium.
>
> HD cameras fitted with 1440 x 1080 imagers make a related point as
> contrast
> falls off sharply approaching the 1440 horizontal pixel resolution.
> Destined
> for ultimate 1920 X 1080 display, the diminished contrast at the 1440
> cut-off obviates the need to capture additional detail up to 1920 because
> viewers are unlikely to perceive any additional detail beyond 1440
> horizontal resolution anyway.
>
> If the industry can accept limits on viewer's perception of resolution in
> HD
> cameras, why can't it accept comparable viewer limits in perception of
> resolution in the DVD context? Aren't viewer's perceptions or
> misperceptions
> regarding "high definition" DVD just as valid?
>
> The public's apparent confusion over DVD's presumed resolution can be
> attributed also to the consumer format's 16 x 9 aspect ratio, which many
> viewers associate automatically with high definition. This is made a bit
> more understandable if one looks at the history of 16 x 9. Raphael's
> School
> of Athens in the 16th century recognized the seductive power of the
> "Golden
> Rectangle".
>
> Centuries later in 1958, American Express arrived at the same realization,
> adopting the "widescreen" format for its newly introduced credit card.
> Widescreen 16 x 9 in whatever context, be it in the arts, personal finance
> or television, has always been a hot seller, its appeal synonymous with
> the
> cutting edge and most recently at least, in the public's perception, with
> high definition.
>
> And then there is the sound issue. In the last few years, DVD viewers in
> increasing numbers have abandoned the tiny single speaker in the TV
> cabinet
> that used to be good enough. Today, with the proliferation of elaborate
> home
> theatres, audio reproduction has achieved astounding fidelity and clarity,
> with potent 5.1 playback systems linked to larger and more competent
> speaker
> arrays approaching in many ways the auditory experience of commercial
> cinemas.
>
> It's no secret that improved audio can elevate the perceived quality and
> resolution of the associated images. Perhaps this is what is happening
> here
> to some degree as audiences feeling more immersed in the audio experience,
> extend that intensity to DVD's visual experience as well.
>
> The bottom line is, for a variety of reasons, much of the public believes
> they are already watching high-definition DVDs. The industry can try to
> convince them otherwise, but it's going to take some doing and massive
> marketing.
>
> Powerful interests on both sides of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray divide are
> currently
> engaged in a rough-and-tough epic struggle. But if consumers can't
> perceive
> any difference or advantage in a true HD-resolution DVD, will they
> actually
> spring for the new players and discs of whatever format prevails and
> ultimately becomes available?
>
>
> Jason
>
>
>
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I agree, the average wage earner is not going to
replace their current equipment to go from regular DVD
to high def DVD, unless it needs to be replaced, and
then the new gear has to be at competitive prices with
the SD DVD players.

As far as the movies go, I personally stopped buying
DVD's years ago, knowing the day will come when high
def DVD's will be here.

I don't see the average wage earner replacing their
collection of DVD's with high def DVD's. I'm afraid
its going to be a lot like SACD and whatever the other
"high def" audio format is. Which saddens me, as I'd
like to see the costs of high def DVD equipment, and
DVD's be reasonable, but without mass demand, its
going to be a while before the prices drop.


--- Hugh Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I believe this guy is only talking about high
> definition DVD and if so he is
> not far off when you consider the average person
> comparing a movie at 480p
> vs 1080i such as with a D-VHS. I've viewed several
> and the difference is
> not like watching a televised event in 720p or 1080i
> versus SD. I've had a
> hard time trying to figure out why the majority of
> people who already have a
> movie would spend the money to get one in high def.
> It's not like going
> from VHS to DVD. I personally can't wait but for
> the masses...............?
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
>
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Interesting article...would love to hear some
> comments.
> >
> >
>
http://videosystems.com/e-newsletters/H ... DVD102605/
> >
> > High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
> >
> > Barry Braverman
> >
> > Oct 26, 2005 3:45 PM
> >
> >
> > We've all heard it a hundred times: I just bought
> a new super-size
> > LCD-DLP-plasma -LCoS flat screen and it's just
> fantastic being finally
> > able
> > to see my DVDs in HD. Huh? What's this? Absurd,
> you say? Never mind the
> > currently raging high-definition format war, the
> fact is there are a great
> > many folks out there who think DVD is already a
> high-definition format.
> >
> > After all, if it looks like HD and sounds like HD,
> it must be HD, right?
> >
> > For some reason, this point tends to be overlooked
> in the current HD-DVD
> > versus Blu-ray discussion. Truth is, most viewers
> at a normal viewing
> > distance from their TV can't distinguish between
> HD and SD resolution
> > images. Even at a relatively huge 62-inches,
> today's displays are
> > invariably
> > too small for most Americans to see any
> difference, sitting on average
> > about
> > 9-10 feet from their screens. It is a different
> story in Japan of course
> > where living rooms and family rooms are
> substantially smaller.
> >
> > Ditto for the viewing distance in your local mega
> electronics store where
> > gawking customers in the aisles routinely pass
> within inches of the
> > mammoth
> > TVs. You'd have to be blind to miss HD's superior
> resolution under these
> > conditions. All of which supports my point: under
> typical television
> > viewing
> > conditions especially in the U.S., the actual
> resolution of DVD images
> > above
> > a certain point is moot. From every indication,
> standard definition in the
> > home environment is good enough if viewers can't
> tell what is HD
> > resolution
> > and what (like DVD) is not.
> >
> > There are other factors as well that may
> contribute to viewers'
> > misperception of standard definition DVD. The
> brighter plasma and flat
> > panel
> > displays are certainly a major factor with
> measured contrast ratios in
> > some
> > sets up to 3000:1. The heightened brightness along
> with the improved
> > contrast helps explain the public's erroneous
> perception of standard DVD
> > as
> > an HD resolution medium.
> >
> > HD cameras fitted with 1440 x 1080 imagers make a
> related point as
> > contrast
> > falls off sharply approaching the 1440 horizontal
> pixel resolution.
> > Destined
> > for ultimate 1920 X 1080 display, the diminished
> contrast at the 1440
> > cut-off obviates the need to capture additional
> detail up to 1920 because
> > viewers are unlikely to perceive any additional
> detail beyond 1440
> > horizontal resolution anyway.
> >
> > If the industry can accept limits on viewer's
> perception of resolution in
> > HD
> > cameras, why can't it accept comparable viewer
> limits in perception of
> > resolution in the DVD context? Aren't viewer's
> perceptions or
> > misperceptions
> > regarding "high definition" DVD just as valid?
> >
> > The public's apparent confusion over DVD's
> presumed resolution can be
> > attributed also to the consumer format's 16 x 9
> aspect ratio, which many
> > viewers associate automatically with high
> definition. This is made a bit
> > more understandable if one looks at the history of
> 16 x 9. Raphael's
> > School
> > of Athens in the 16th century recognized the
> seductive power of the
> > "Golden
> > Rectangle".
> >
> > Centuries later in 1958, American Express arrived
> at the same realization,
> > adopting the "widescreen" format for its newly
> introduced credit card.
> > Widescreen 16 x 9 in whatever context, be it in
> the arts, personal finance
> > or television, has always been a hot seller, its
> appeal synonymous with
> > the
> > cutting edge and most recently at least, in the
> public's perception, with
> > high definition.
> >
> > And then there is the sound issue. In the last few
> years, DVD viewers in
> > increasing numbers have abandoned the tiny single
> speaker in the TV
> > cabinet
> > that used to be good enough. Today, with the
> proliferation of elaborate
> > home
> > theatres, audio reproduction has achieved
> astounding fidelity and clarity,
> > with potent 5.1 playback systems linked to larger
> and more competent
> > speaker
> > arrays approaching in many ways the auditory
> experience of commercial
> > cinemas.
> >
> > It's no secret that improved audio can elevate the
> perceived quality and
> > resolution of the associated images. Perhaps this
> is what is happening
> > here
> > to some degree as audiences feeling more immersed
> in the audio experience,
> > extend that intensity to DVD's visual experience
> as well.
> >
> > The bottom line is, for a variety of reasons, much
> of the public believes
> > they are already watching high-definition DVDs.
> The industry can try to
> > convince them otherwise, but it's going to take
> some doing and massive
> > marketing.
> >
> > Powerful interests on both sides of the
> HD-DVD/Blu-ray divide are
> > currently
> > engaged in a rough-and-tough epic struggle. But if
> consumers
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Personally speaking there are some Excellent points in
the article .There are a large majority of people who
think having a widecreen tv is hd . Have run into this
problem frequently and then burst the bubble by asking
them where is the settop box to provide the hd signal.

There needs to be a massive education effort on part
of manufactuers and the uninformed sales force to
eradicate the misformation campaign that is ongoing
to move product.

Hd dvd will be wonderful provided the calibrated
display can deliver the native hd source at full
resolution with seating and lighting calculated for
proper viewing enviroment.

The public must be informed so that they can be
comfortable in their purchasing decisions as a casual
viewer or videophile.

As a acknowledged casual viewer they will not
spreading
the myth to their neighours to come over & watch

hd after buying a new bigscreen tv. they will acccept
the fact that fact their viewing will be much better
than before but is not hd.

--- Hugh Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I believe this guy is only talking about high
> definition DVD and if so he is
> not far off when you consider the average person
> comparing a movie at 480p
> vs 1080i such as with a D-VHS. I've viewed several
> and the difference is
> not like watching a televised event in 720p or 1080i
> versus SD. I've had a
> hard time trying to figure out why the majority of
> people who already have a
> movie would spend the money to get one in high def.
> It's not like going
> from VHS to DVD. I personally can't wait but for
> the masses...............?
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
>
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Interesting article...would love to hear some
> comments.
> >
> >
>
http://videosystems.com/e-newsletters/H ... DVD102605/
> >
> > High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
> >
> > Barry Braverman
> >
> > Oct 26, 2005 3:45 PM
> >
> >
> > We've all heard it a hundred times: I just bought
> a new super-size
> > LCD-DLP-plasma -LCoS flat screen and it's just
> fantastic being finally
> > able
> > to see my DVDs in HD. Huh? What's this? Absurd,
> you say? Never mind the
> > currently raging high-definition format war, the
> fact is there are a great
> > many folks out there who think DVD is already a
> high-definition format.
> >
> > After all, if it looks like HD and sounds like HD,
> it must be HD, right?
> >
> > For some reason, this point tends to be overlooked
> in the current HD-DVD
> > versus Blu-ray discussion. Truth is, most viewers
> at a normal viewing
> > distance from their TV can't distinguish between
> HD and SD resolution
> > images. Even at a relatively huge 62-inches,
> today's displays are
> > invariably
> > too small for most Americans to see any
> difference, sitting on average
> > about
> > 9-10 feet from their screens. It is a different
> story in Japan of course
> > where living rooms and family rooms are
> substantially smaller.
> >
> > Ditto for the viewing distance in your local mega
> electronics store where
> > gawking customers in the aisles routinely pass
> within inches of the
> > mammoth
> > TVs. You'd have to be blind to miss HD's superior
> resolution under these
> > conditions. All of which supports my point: under
> typical television
> > viewing
> > conditions especially in the U.S., the actual
> resolution of DVD images
> > above
> > a certain point is moot. From every indication,
> standard definition in the
> > home environment is good enough if viewers can't
> tell what is HD
> > resolution
> > and what (like DVD) is not.
> >
> > There are other factors as well that may
> contribute to viewers'
> > misperception of standard definition DVD. The
> brighter plasma and flat
> > panel
> > displays are certainly a major factor with
> measured contrast ratios in
> > some
> > sets up to 3000:1. The heightened brightness along
> with the improved
> > contrast helps explain the public's erroneous
> perception of standard DVD
> > as
> > an HD resolution medium.
> >
> > HD cameras fitted with 1440 x 1080 imagers make a
> related point as
> > contrast
> > falls off sharply approaching the 1440 horizontal
> pixel resolution.
> > Destined
> > for ultimate 1920 X 1080 display, the diminished
> contrast at the 1440
> > cut-off obviates the need to capture additional
> detail up to 1920 because
> > viewers are unlikely to perceive any additional
> detail beyond 1440
> > horizontal resolution anyway.
> >
> > If the industry can accept limits on viewer's
> perception of resolution in
> > HD
> > cameras, why can't it accept comparable viewer
> limits in perception of
> > resolution in the DVD context? Aren't viewer's
> perceptions or
> > misperceptions
> > regarding "high definition" DVD just as valid?
> >
> > The public's apparent confusion over DVD's
> presumed resolution can be
> > attributed also to the consumer format's 16 x 9
> aspect ratio, which many
> > viewers associate automatically with high
> definition. This is made a bit
> > more understandable if one looks at the history of
> 16 x 9. Raphael's
> > School
> > of Athens in the 16th century recognized the
> seductive power of the
> > "Golden
> > Rectangle".
> >
> > Centuries later in 1958, American Express arrived
> at the same realization,
> > adopting the "widescreen" format for its newly
> introduced credit card.
> > Widescreen 16 x 9 in whatever context, be it in
> the arts, personal finance
> > or television, has always been a hot seller, its
> appeal synonymous with
> > the
> > cutting edge and most recently at least, in the
> public's perception, with
> > high definition.
> >
> > And then there is the sound issue. In the last few
> years, DVD viewers in
> > increasing numbers have abandoned the tiny single
> speaker in the TV
> > cabinet
> > that used to be good enough. Today, with the
> proliferation of elaborate
> > home
> > theatres, audio reproduction has achieved
> astounding fidelity and clarity,
> > with potent 5.1 playback systems linked to larger
> and more competent
> > speaker
> > arrays approaching in many ways the auditory
> experience of commercial
> > cinemas.
> >
> > It's no secret that improved audio can elevate the
> perceived quality and
> > resolution of the associated images. Perhaps this
> is what is happening
> > here
> > to some degree as audiences feeling more immersed
> in the audio experience,
> > extend that intensity to DVD's visual experience
> as well.
> >
> > The bottom line is, for a variety of reasons, much
> of the public believes
> > they are already watching high-definition DVDs.
> The industry can try to
> > convince them otherwise, but it's going to take
> some doing and massive
> > marketing.
> >
> > Powerful interests on both sides of the
> HD-DVD/Blu-ray divide are
> > currently
> > engaged in a rough-and-tough epic struggle. But if
> consumers
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Most people still use a vcr with a composite or RF connection. We have a
long way to go to educate people on HD.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicetry" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Personally speaking there are some Excellent points in
> the article .There are a large majority of people who
> think having a widecreen tv is hd . Have run into this
> problem frequently and then burst the bubble by asking
> them where is the settop box to provide the hd signal.
>
> There needs to be a massive education effort on part
> of manufactuers and the uninformed sales force to
> eradicate the misformation campaign that is ongoing
> to move product.
>
> Hd dvd will be wonderful provided the calibrated
> display can deliver the native hd source at full
> resolution with seating and lighting calculated for
> proper viewing enviroment.
>
> The public must be informed so that they can be
> comfortable in their purchasing decisions as a casual
> viewer or videophile.
>
> As a acknowledged casual viewer they will not
> spreading
> the myth to their neighours to come over & watch
>
> hd after buying a new bigscreen tv. they will acccept
> the fact that fact their viewing will be much better
> than before but is not hd.
>
> --- Hugh Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I believe this guy is only talking about high
>> definition DVD and if so he is
>> not far off when you consider the average person
>> comparing a movie at 480p
>> vs 1080i such as with a D-VHS. I've viewed several
>> and the difference is
>> not like watching a televised event in 720p or 1080i
>> versus SD. I've had a
>> hard time trying to figure out why the majority of
>> people who already have a
>> movie would spend the money to get one in high def.
>> It's not like going
>> from VHS to DVD. I personally can't wait but for
>> the masses...............?
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine"
>> <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:41 PM
>> Subject: High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
>>
>>
>> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>> >
>> > Interesting article...would love to hear some
>> comments.
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://videosystems.com/e-newsletters/H ... DVD102605/
>> >
>> > High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
>> >
>> > Barry Braverman
>> >
>> > Oct 26, 2005 3:45 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > We've all heard it a hundred times: I just bought
>> a new super-size
>> > LCD-DLP-plasma -LCoS flat screen and it's just
>> fantastic being finally
>> > able
>> > to see my DVDs in HD. Huh? What's this? Absurd,
>> you say? Never mind the
>> > currently raging high-definition format war, the
>> fact is there are a great
>> > many folks out there who think DVD is already a
>> high-definition format.
>> >
>> > After all, if it looks like HD and sounds like HD,
>> it must be HD, right?
>> >
>> > For some reason, this point tends to be overlooked
>> in the current HD-DVD
>> > versus Blu-ray discussion. Truth is, most viewers
>> at a normal viewing
>> > distance from their TV can't distinguish between
>> HD and SD resolution
>> > images. Even at a relatively huge 62-inches,
>> today's displays are
>> > invariably
>> > too small for most Americans to see any
>> difference, sitting on average
>> > about
>> > 9-10 feet from their screens. It is a different
>> story in Japan of course
>> > where living rooms and family rooms are
>> substantially smaller.
>> >
>> > Ditto for the viewing distance in your local mega
>> electronics store where
>> > gawking customers in the aisles routinely pass
>> within inches of the
>> > mammoth
>> > TVs. You'd have to be blind to miss HD's superior
>> resolution under these
>> > conditions. All of which supports my point: under
>> typical television
>> > viewing
>> > conditions especially in the U.S., the actual
>> resolution of DVD images
>> > above
>> > a certain point is moot. From every indication,
>> standard definition in the
>> > home environment is good enough if viewers can't
>> tell what is HD
>> > resolution
>> > and what (like DVD) is not.
>> >
>> > There are other factors as well that may
>> contribute to viewers'
>> > misperception of standard definition DVD. The
>> brighter plasma and flat
>> > panel
>> > displays are certainly a major factor with
>> measured contrast ratios in
>> > some
>> > sets up to 3000:1. The heightened brightness along
>> with the improved
>> > contrast helps explain the public's erroneous
>> perception of standard DVD
>> > as
>> > an HD resolution medium.
>> >
>> > HD cameras fitted with 1440 x 1080 imagers make a
>> related point as
>> > contrast
>> > falls off sharply approaching the 1440 horizontal
>> pixel resolution.
>> > Destined
>> > for ultimate 1920 X 1080 display, the diminished
>> contrast at the 1440
>> > cut-off obviates the need to capture additional
>> detail up to 1920 because
>> > viewers are unlikely to perceive any additional
>> detail beyond 1440
>> > horizontal resolution anyway.
>> >
>> > If the industry can accept limits on viewer's
>> perception of resolution in
>> > HD
>> > cameras, why can't it accept comparable viewer
>> limits in perception of
>> > resolution in the DVD context? Aren't viewer's
>> perceptions or
>> > misperceptions
>> > regarding "high definition" DVD just as valid?
>> >
>> > The public's apparent confusion over DVD's
>> presumed resolution can be
>> > attributed also to the consumer format's 16 x 9
>> aspect ratio, which many
>> > viewers associate automatically with high
>> definition. This is made a bit
>> > more understandable if one looks at the history of
>> 16 x 9. Raphael's
>> > School
>> > of Athens in the 16th century recognized the
>> seductive power of the
>> > "Golden
>> > Rectangle".
>> >
>> > Centuries later in 1958, American Express arrived
>> at the same realization,
>> > adopting the "widescreen" format for its newly
>> introduced credit card.
>> > Widescreen 16 x 9 in whatever context, be it in
>> the arts, personal finance
>> > or television, has always been a hot seller, its
>> appeal synonymous with
>> > the
>> > cutting edge and most recently at least, in the
>> public's perception, with
>> > high definition.
>> >
>> > And then there is the sound issue. In the last few
>> years, DVD viewers in
>> > increasing numbers have abandoned the tiny single
>> speaker in the TV
>> > cabinet
>> > that used to be good enough. Today, with the
>> proliferation of elaborate
>> > home
>> > theatres, audio reproduction has achieved
>> astounding fidelity and clarity,
>> > with potent 5.1 playback systems linked to larger
>> and more competent
>> > speaker
>> > arrays approaching in many ways the auditory
>> experience of commercial
>> > cinemas.
>> >
>> > It's no secret that improved audio can elevate the
>> perceived quality and
>> > resolution of the associated images. Perhaps this
>> is what is happening
>> > here
>> > to some degree as audiences feeling more immersed
>> in the audio experience,
>> > extend that intensity to DVD's visual experience
>> as well.
>> >
>> > The bottom line is, for a variety of reasons, much
>> of the public believes
>> > they are already watching high-definition DVDs.
>> The industry can try to
>> > convince them otherwise, but it's going to take
>> some doing and massive
>> > marketing.
>> >
>> > Powerful interests on both sides of the
>> HD-DVD/Blu-ray divide are
>> > currently
>> > engaged in a rough-and-tough epic struggle. But if
>> consumers
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#6
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Could easily be SACD and DVD-Audio all over again. WE have discussed
this point several times over the last year.

Me... I am buying as soon as they figure out what the hell they are
going to sell!

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Interesting article...would love to hear some comments.
>
> http://videosystems.com/e-newsletters/H ... DVD102605/
>
> High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
>
> Barry Braverman
>
> Oct 26, 2005 3:45 PM
>
>
> We've all heard it a hundred times: I just bought a new super-size
> LCD-DLP-plasma -LCoS flat screen and it's just fantastic being finally able
> to see my DVDs in HD. Huh? What's this? Absurd, you say? Never mind the
> currently raging high-definition format war, the fact is there are a great
> many folks out there who think DVD is already a high-definition format.
>
> After all, if it looks like HD and sounds like HD, it must be HD, right?
>
> For some reason, this point tends to be overlooked in the current HD-DVD
> versus Blu-ray discussion. Truth is, most viewers at a normal viewing
> distance from their TV can't distinguish between HD and SD resolution
> images. Even at a relatively huge 62-inches, today's displays are invariably
> too small for most Americans to see any difference, sitting on average about
> 9-10 feet from their screens. It is a different story in Japan of course
> where living rooms and family rooms are substantially smaller.
>
> Ditto for the viewing distance in your local mega electronics store where
> gawking customers in the aisles routinely pass within inches of the mammoth
> TVs. You'd have to be blind to miss HD's superior resolution under these
> conditions. All of which supports my point: under typical television viewing
> conditions especially in the U.S., the actual resolution of DVD images above
> a certain point is moot. From every indication, standard definition in the
> home environment is good enough if viewers can't tell what is HD resolution
> and what (like DVD) is not.
>
> There are other factors as well that may contribute to viewers'
> misperception of standard definition DVD. The brighter plasma and flat panel
> displays are certainly a major factor with measured contrast ratios in some
> sets up to 3000:1. The heightened brightness along with the improved
> contrast helps explain the public's erroneous perception of standard DVD as
> an HD resolution medium.
>
> HD cameras fitted with 1440 x 1080 imagers make a related point as contrast
> falls off sharply approaching the 1440 horizontal pixel resolution. Destined
> for ultimate 1920 X 1080 display, the diminished contrast at the 1440
> cut-off obviates the need to capture additional detail up to 1920 because
> viewers are unlikely to perceive any additional detail beyond 1440
> horizontal resolution anyway.
>
> If the industry can accept limits on viewer's perception of resolution in HD
> cameras, why can't it accept comparable viewer limits in perception of
> resolution in the DVD context? Aren't viewer's perceptions or misperceptions
> regarding "high definition" DVD just as valid?
>
> The public's apparent confusion over DVD's presumed resolution can be
> attributed also to the consumer format's 16 x 9 aspect ratio, which many
> viewers associate automatically with high definition. This is made a bit
> more understandable if one looks at the history of 16 x 9. Raphael's School
> of Athens in the 16th century recognized the seductive power of the "Golden
> Rectangle".
>
> Centuries later in 1958, American Express arrived at the same realization,
> adopting the "widescreen" format for its newly introduced credit card.
> Widescreen 16 x 9 in whatever context, be it in the arts, personal finance
> or television, has always been a hot seller, its appeal synonymous with the
> cutting edge and most recently at least, in the public's perception, with
> high definition.
>
> And then there is the sound issue. In the last few years, DVD viewers in
> increasing numbers have abandoned the tiny single speaker in the TV cabinet
> that used to be good enough. Today, with the proliferation of elaborate home
> theatres, audio reproduction has achieved astounding fidelity and clarity,
> with potent 5.1 playback systems linked to larger and more competent speaker
> arrays approaching in many ways the auditory experience of commercial
> cinemas.
>
> It's no secret that improved audio can elevate the perceived quality and
> resolution of the associated images. Perhaps this is what is happening here
> to some degree as audiences feeling more immersed in the audio experience,
> extend that intensity to DVD's visual experience as well.
>
> The bottom line is, for a variety of reasons, much of the public believes
> they are already watching high-definition DVDs. The industry can try to
> convince them otherwise, but it's going to take some doing and massive
> marketing.
>
> Powerful interests on both sides of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray divide are currently
> engaged in a rough-and-tough epic struggle. But if consumers can't perceive
> any difference or advantage in a true HD-resolution DVD, will they actually
> spring for the new players and discs of whatever format prevails and
> ultimately becomes available?
>
>
> Jason
>
>
>
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#7
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HOW TRUE
--- "Aaron W. Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Most people still use a vcr with a composite or RF
> connection. We have a
> long way to go to educate people on HD.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicetry" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
>
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Personally speaking there are some Excellent
> points in
> > the article .There are a large majority of people
> who
> > think having a widecreen tv is hd . Have run into
> this
> > problem frequently and then burst the bubble by
> asking
> > them where is the settop box to provide the hd
> signal.
> >
> > There needs to be a massive education effort on
> part
> > of manufactuers and the uninformed sales force to
> > eradicate the misformation campaign that is
> ongoing
> > to move product.
> >
> > Hd dvd will be wonderful provided the calibrated
> > display can deliver the native hd source at full
> > resolution with seating and lighting calculated
> for
> > proper viewing enviroment.
> >
> > The public must be informed so that they can be
> > comfortable in their purchasing decisions as a
> casual
> > viewer or videophile.
> >
> > As a acknowledged casual viewer they will not
> > spreading
> > the myth to their neighours to come over & watch
> >
> > hd after buying a new bigscreen tv. they will
> acccept
> > the fact that fact their viewing will be much
> better
> > than before but is not hd.
> >
> > --- Hugh Campbell <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> I believe this guy is only talking about high
> >> definition DVD and if so he is
> >> not far off when you consider the average person
> >> comparing a movie at 480p
> >> vs 1080i such as with a D-VHS. I've viewed
> several
> >> and the difference is
> >> not like watching a televised event in 720p or
> 1080i
> >> versus SD. I've had a
> >> hard time trying to figure out why the majority
> of
> >> people who already have a
> >> movie would spend the money to get one in high
> def.
> >> It's not like going
> >> from VHS to DVD. I personally can't wait but for
> >> the masses...............?
> >>
> >> Hugh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]>
> >> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> >> <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:41 PM
> >> Subject: High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
> >>
> >>
> >> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >> >
> >> > Interesting article...would love to hear some
> >> comments.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
http://videosystems.com/e-newsletters/H ... DVD102605/
> >> >
> >> > High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
> >> >
> >> > Barry Braverman
> >> >
> >> > Oct 26, 2005 3:45 PM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We've all heard it a hundred times: I just
> bought
> >> a new super-size
> >> > LCD-DLP-plasma -LCoS flat screen and it's just
> >> fantastic being finally
> >> > able
> >> > to see my DVDs in HD. Huh? What's this? Absurd,
> >> you say? Never mind the
> >> > currently raging high-definition format war,
> the
> >> fact is there are a great
> >> > many folks out there who think DVD is already a
> >> high-definition format.
> >> >
> >> > After all, if it looks like HD and sounds like
> HD,
> >> it must be HD, right?
> >> >
> >> > For some reason, this point tends to be
> overlooked
> >> in the current HD-DVD
> >> > versus Blu-ray discussion. Truth is, most
> viewers
> >> at a normal viewing
> >> > distance from their TV can't distinguish
> between
> >> HD and SD resolution
> >> > images. Even at a relatively huge 62-inches,
> >> today's displays are
> >> > invariably
> >> > too small for most Americans to see any
> >> difference, sitting on average
> >> > about
> >> > 9-10 feet from their screens. It is a different
> >> story in Japan of course
> >> > where living rooms and family rooms are
> >> substantially smaller.
> >> >
> >> > Ditto for the viewing distance in your local
> mega
> >> electronics store where
> >> > gawking customers in the aisles routinely pass
> >> within inches of the
> >> > mammoth
> >> > TVs. You'd have to be blind to miss HD's
> superior
> >> resolution under these
> >> > conditions. All of which supports my point:
> under
> >> typical television
> >> > viewing
> >> > conditions especially in the U.S., the actual
> >> resolution of DVD images
> >> > above
> >> > a certain point is moot. From every indication,
> >> standard definition in the
> >> > home environment is good enough if viewers
> can't
> >> tell what is HD
> >> > resolution
> >> > and what (like DVD) is not.
> >> >
> >> > There are other factors as well that may
> >> contribute to viewers'
> >> > misperception of standard definition DVD. The
> >> brighter plasma and flat
> >> > panel
> >> > displays are certainly a major factor with
> >> measured contrast ratios in
> >> > some
> >> > sets up to 3000:1. The heightened brightness
> along
> >> with the improved
> >> > contrast helps explain the public's erroneous
> >> perception of standard DVD
> >> > as
> >> > an HD resolution medium.
> >> >
> >> > HD cameras fitted with 1440 x 1080 imagers make
> a
> >> related point as
> >> > contrast
> >> > falls off sharply approaching the 1440
> horizontal
> >> pixel resolution.
> >> > Destined
> >> > for ultimate 1920 X 1080 display, the
> diminished
> >> contrast at the 1440
> >> > cut-off obviates the need to capture additional
> >> detail up to 1920 because
> >> > viewers are unlikely to perceive any additional
> >> detail beyond 1440
>
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#8
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As I said recently, the odds are great that this is going to go the way of
laser disc, a strong but limited market. I don't think the manufacturers
are going to get the quick return they are anticipating, particularly the
way they're hamstringing it by eliminating many of the first adopters and
the very great potential for alienating others if this nonsense about a
required hook up to the internet proves to be true.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:02 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Could easily be SACD and DVD-Audio all over again. WE have discussed
this point several times over the last year.

Me... I am buying as soon as they figure out what the hell they are
going to sell!

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Interesting article...would love to hear some comments.
>
> http://videosystems.com/e-newsletters/H ... DVD102605/
>
> High Definition DVD: Who Needs It?
>
> Barry Braverman
>
> Oct 26, 2005 3:45 PM
>
>
> We've all heard it a hundred times: I just bought a new super-size
> LCD-DLP-plasma -LCoS flat screen and it's just fantastic being finally
able
> to see my DVDs in HD. Huh? What's this? Absurd, you say? Never mind the
> currently raging high-definition format war, the fact is there are a great
> many folks out there who think DVD is already a high-definition format.
>
> After all, if it looks like HD and sounds like HD, it must be HD, right?
>
> For some reason, this point tends to be overlooked in the current HD-DVD
> versus Blu-ray discussion. Truth is, most viewers at a normal viewing
> distance from their TV can't distinguish between HD and SD resolution
> images. Even at a relatively huge 62-inches, today's displays are
invariably
> too small for most Americans to see any difference, sitting on average
about
> 9-10 feet from their screens. It is a different story in Japan of course
> where living rooms and family rooms are substantially smaller.
>
> Ditto for the viewing distance in your local mega electronics store where
> gawking customers in the aisles routinely pass within inches of the
mammoth
> TVs. You'd have to be blind to miss HD's superior resolution under these
> conditions. All of which supports my point: under typical television
viewing
> conditions especially in the U.S., the actual resolution of DVD images
above
> a certain point is moot. From every indication, standard definition in the
> home environment is good enough if viewers can't tell what is HD
resolution
> and what (like DVD) is not.
>
> There are other factors as well that may contribute to viewers'
> misperception of standard definition DVD. The brighter plasma and flat
panel
> displays are certainly a major factor with measured contrast ratios in
some
> sets up to 3000:1. The heightened brightness along with the improved
> contrast helps explain the public's erroneous perception of standard DVD
as
> an HD resolution medium.
>
> HD cameras fitted with 1440 x 1080 imagers make a related point as
contrast
> falls off sharply approaching the 1440 horizontal pixel resolution.
Destined
> for ultimate 1920 X 1080 display, the diminished contrast at the 1440
> cut-off obviates the need to capture additional detail up to 1920 because
> viewers are unlikely to perceive any additional detail beyond 1440
> horizontal resolution anyway.
>
> If the industry can accept limits on viewer's perception of resolution in
HD
> cameras, why can't it accept comparable viewer limits in perception of
> resolution in the DVD context? Aren't viewer's perceptions or
misperceptions
> regarding "high definition" DVD just as valid?
>
> The public's apparent confusion over DVD's presumed resolution can be
> attributed also to the consumer format's 16 x 9 aspect ratio, which many
> viewers associate automatically with high definition. This is made a bit
> more understandable if one looks at the history of 16 x 9. Raphael's
School
> of Athens in the 16th century recognized the seductive power of the
"Golden
> Rectangle".
>
> Centuries later in 1958, American Express arrived at the same realization,
> adopting the "widescreen" format for its newly introduced credit card.
> Widescreen 16 x 9 in whatever context, be it in the arts, personal finance
> or television, has always been a hot seller, its appeal synonymous with
the
> cutting edge and most recently at least, in the public's perception, with
> high definition.
>
> And then there is the sound issue. In the last few years, DVD viewers in
> increasing numbers have abandoned the tiny single speaker in the TV
cabinet
> that used to be good enough. Today, with the proliferation of elaborate
home
> theatres, audio reproduction has achieved astounding fidelity and clarity,
> with potent 5.1 playback systems linked to larger and more competent
speaker
> arrays approaching in many ways the auditory experience of commercial
> cinemas.
>
> It's no secret that improved audio can elevate the perceived quality and
> resolution of the associated images. Perhaps this is what is happening
here
> to some degree as audiences feeling more immersed in the audio experience,
> extend that intensity to DVD's visual experience as well.
>
> The bottom line is, for a variety of reasons, much of the public believes
> they are already watching high-definition DVDs. The industry can try to
> convince them otherwise, but it's going to take some doing and massive
> marketing.
>
> Powerful interests on both sides of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray divide are
currently
> engaged in a rough-and-tough epic struggle. But if consumers can't
perceive
> any difference or advantage in a true HD-resolution DVD, will they
actually
> spring for the new players and discs of whatever format prevails and
> ultimately becomes available?
>
>
> Jason
>
>
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