Mitsubishi Promise

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At 01:15 PM 2/21/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>They did have a $1000 "promise module" for a while that added
>firewire to earlier WS-XXXXX models. I think they would claim that
>DVI/HDMI falls outside "near-future". In other words, it wasn't much
>of a promise.

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They did have a $1000 "promise module" for a while that added
firewire to earlier WS-XXXXX models. I think they would claim that
DVI/HDMI falls outside "near-future". In other words, it wasn't much
of a promise.

On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Ronnie A wrote:

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> I am an early adopter with a Mitsu WS-73711, which has the regular
> hook-ups
> plus Firewire IEEE-1394. I still have the catalog, and in it Mitsu
> has the
> "MITSUBISHI UBGRADEABILITY PROMISE," wherein they are promising
> that "We
> will engineer and manufacture the upgrades necessary so the HD-
> Upgradeable
> television you purchase today can be made compatible with near-future
> advances in digital television and digital interconnectivity."
> So now, as far as I know, I cannot upgrade to HDMI (or other
> upgrades of
> which I am aware).
> What is anyone hearing about this situation?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ronnie A.
>
>
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Ronnie,

Please check the 2004 and 2005 reports (page 90 of the 2005), both are free from the web site. I
covered this subject in detail.

One main problem is that they cannot create a "promise" box that inputs HDMI/HDCP and outputs
component or IEEE1394 even with 5c on it, if they want to maintain their license.

One thing on their favor is that they were the ONLY manufacturer that offered some kind of future
upgrade for early generation sets, not cheap but something.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra



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Ronnie A
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:15 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Mitsubishi Promise


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I am an early adopter with a Mitsu WS-73711, which has the regular hook-ups
plus Firewire IEEE-1394. I still have the catalog, and in it Mitsu has the
"MITSUBISHI UBGRADEABILITY PROMISE," wherein they are promising that "We
will engineer and manufacture the upgrades necessary so the HD-Upgradeable
television you purchase today can be made compatible with near-future
advances in digital television and digital interconnectivity."
So now, as far as I know, I cannot upgrade to HDMI (or other upgrades of
which I am aware).
What is anyone hearing about this situation?

Thanks,

Ronnie A.



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I think the Promise was an unmitigated ripoff, particularly for buyers of
Mitsubishi's first-generation sets which didn't even include a component
input capable of handling 480p.

It's incredibly lame for Mitsuhishi to turn around and expect you to reward
their stupidity with another $1000 of your hard-earned cash.

Regards,


Doug
Clearly Resolved Image & Sound

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Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993

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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 14:27
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise

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Ronnie,

Please check the 2004 and 2005 reports (page 90 of the 2005), both are free
from the web site. I
covered this subject in detail.

One main problem is that they cannot create a "promise" box that inputs
HDMI/HDCP and outputs
component or IEEE1394 even with 5c on it, if they want to maintain their
license.

One thing on their favor is that they were the ONLY manufacturer that
offered some kind of future
upgrade for early generation sets, not cheap but something.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Ronnie A
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:15 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Mitsubishi Promise


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I am an early adopter with a Mitsu WS-73711, which has the regular
hook-ups
plus Firewire IEEE-1394. I still have the catalog, and in it Mitsu has the
"MITSUBISHI UBGRADEABILITY PROMISE," wherein they are promising that "We
will engineer and manufacture the upgrades necessary so the HD-Upgradeable
television you purchase today can be made compatible with near-future
advances in digital television and digital interconnectivity."
So now, as far as I know, I cannot upgrade to HDMI (or other
upgrades of
which I am aware).
What is anyone hearing about this situation?

Thanks,

Ronnie A.



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Doug,

On the surface, when you look at it from the perspective of today, 3/4 years later, it seems that
way.

But look at it from the point of view that at that time TVs were much more expensive, not $3000, and
no other manufacturer offered ANY option other than waiting and replacing the expensive TV with a
future model with DVI/HDCP, and even then, most sets did not even use IEEE1394 (like Mitsubishi did
for a HAVi digital network), only a few used it but as iLink for camcorders (Sony).

The plan was not perfect, it was not cheap, but no other manufacturer stepped forward as they did to
give some hope of a future upgrade path, just because of that they deserve some credit.

Not even today manufacturers offer hardware upgrade paths, there is not one that can offer to
replace your component input to DVI, or your DVI by HDMI, or your HDMI 1.0 chip receiver to a 1.2
chip version, not even as a costly option, they all expect you to replace the TV.

I never liked Mitsubishi cornering themselves "for so long" into a IEEE1394-only digital
connectivity solution, ignoring the large wave of DVI and HDMI (which eventually cost the job of
their Chief), but at least they had a vision of digital connectivity and interactivity (HAVi) that
no one else was close to do, every one else was full steam into component analog only. It was only
until some integrated sets arrived with IEEE1394 dual connections that those manufacturers boarded
the train of digital networking, 4 years later.

Mitsubishi had a vision, and commitment to that vision, it was not perfect, but the ideal was way
ahead of the rest, choosing a digital direction in the analog-only market, and in the middle of high
uncertainty regarding what connections would be used in the future.

They should have moved faster into adding DVI and HDMI on their sets in addition to their 1394
innovation, right in their 2003 lines, they waited 2 years longer than necessary, holding all the
bets to their 1394 model, that was the big mistake, they did not count with HDCP in the middle of
permitted digital to analog conversions, if DVI and HDMI would have been implemented without HDCP
their box could have had some chance to still be useful if the price was right.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra
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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Doug Weil
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:48 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise


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I think the Promise was an unmitigated ripoff, particularly for buyers of
Mitsubishi's first-generation sets which didn't even include a component
input capable of handling 480p.

It's incredibly lame for Mitsuhishi to turn around and expect you to reward
their stupidity with another $1000 of your hard-earned cash.

Regards,


Doug
Clearly Resolved Image & Sound

Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993

eMail: [email protected]
Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com

Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 14:27
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise

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Ronnie,

Please check the 2004 and 2005 reports (page 90 of the 2005), both are free
from the web site. I
covered this subject in detail.

One main problem is that they cannot create a "promise" box that inputs
HDMI/HDCP and outputs
component or IEEE1394 even with 5c on it, if they want to maintain their
license.

One thing on their favor is that they were the ONLY manufacturer that
offered some kind of future
upgrade for early generation sets, not cheap but something.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Ronnie A
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:15 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Mitsubishi Promise


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I am an early adopter with a Mitsu WS-73711, which has the regular
hook-ups
plus Firewire IEEE-1394. I still have the catalog, and in it Mitsu has the
"MITSUBISHI UBGRADEABILITY PROMISE," wherein they are promising that "We
will engineer and manufacture the upgrades necessary so the HD-Upgradeable
television you purchase today can be made compatible with near-future
advances in digital television and digital interconnectivity."
So now, as far as I know, I cannot upgrade to HDMI (or other
upgrades of
which I am aware).
What is anyone hearing about this situation?

Thanks,

Ronnie A.



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Rodolfo,

Thank you for that response and I agree 100% with your conclusion. Mits
deserves Kudos for even attempting to do this and some grief for putting
off DVI/HDMI longer than necessary in their push for 1394.

At this point no one is cut off from anything yet we expect the worst to
come.

The fat lady may be clearing her voice but she ain't sung yet!



Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
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>
>
> Doug,
>
> On the surface, when you look at it from the perspective of today, 3/4 years later, it seems that
> way.
>
> But look at it from the point of view that at that time TVs were much more expensive, not $3000, and
> no other manufacturer offered ANY option other than waiting and replacing the expensive TV with a
> future model with DVI/HDCP, and even then, most sets did not even use IEEE1394 (like Mitsubishi did
> for a HAVi digital network), only a few used it but as iLink for camcorders (Sony).
>
> The plan was not perfect, it was not cheap, but no other manufacturer stepped forward as they did to
> give some hope of a future upgrade path, just because of that they deserve some credit.
>
> Not even today manufacturers offer hardware upgrade paths, there is not one that can offer to
> replace your component input to DVI, or your DVI by HDMI, or your HDMI 1.0 chip receiver to a 1.2
> chip version, not even as a costly option, they all expect you to replace the TV.
>
> I never liked Mitsubishi cornering themselves "for so long" into a IEEE1394-only digital
> connectivity solution, ignoring the large wave of DVI and HDMI (which eventually cost the job of
> their Chief), but at least they had a vision of digital connectivity and interactivity (HAVi) that
> no one else was close to do, every one else was full steam into component analog only. It was only
> until some integrated sets arrived with IEEE1394 dual connections that those manufacturers boarded
> the train of digital networking, 4 years later.
>
> Mitsubishi had a vision, and commitment to that vision, it was not perfect, but the ideal was way
> ahead of the rest, choosing a digital direction in the analog-only market, and in the middle of high
> uncertainty regarding what connections would be used in the future.
>
> They should have moved faster into adding DVI and HDMI on their sets in addition to their 1394
> innovation, right in their 2003 lines, they waited 2 years longer than necessary, holding all the
> bets to their 1394 model, that was the big mistake, they did not count with HDCP in the middle of
> permitted digital to analog conversions, if DVI and HDMI would have been implemented without HDCP
> their box could have had some chance to still be useful if the price was right.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Doug Weil
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise
>
>
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>
> I think the Promise was an unmitigated ripoff, particularly for buyers of
> Mitsubishi's first-generation sets which didn't even include a component
> input capable of handling 480p.
>
> It's incredibly lame for Mitsuhishi to turn around and expect you to reward
> their stupidity with another $1000 of your hard-earned cash.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Doug
> Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>
> Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
> Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
>
> eMail: [email protected]
> Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
>
> Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
> http://www.imagingscience.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Rodolfo La Maestra
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 14:27
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Ronnie,
>
> Please check the 2004 and 2005 reports (page 90 of the 2005), both are free
> from the web site. I
> covered this subject in detail.
>
> One main problem is that they cannot create a "promise" box that inputs
> HDMI/HDCP and outputs
> component or IEEE1394 even with 5c on it, if they want to maintain their
> license.
>
> One thing on their favor is that they were the ONLY manufacturer that
> offered some kind of future
> upgrade for early generation sets, not cheap but something.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Ronnie A
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:15 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Mitsubishi Promise
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I am an early adopter with a Mitsu WS-73711, which has the regular
> hook-ups
> plus Firewire IEEE-1394. I still have the catalog, and in it Mitsu has the
> "MITSUBISHI UBGRADEABILITY PROMISE," wherein they are promising that "We
> will engineer and manufacture the upgrades necessary so the HD-Upgradeable
> television you purchase today can be made compatible with near-future
> advances in digital television and digital interconnectivity."
> So now, as far as I know, I cannot upgrade to HDMI (or other
> upgrades of
> which I am aware).
> What is anyone hearing about this situation?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ronnie A.
>
>
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Just curious, did Mitsubishi actually do anything for their customers that
purchased TV's under this promise? The only posts that I remember seeing
were for customers very frustrated and upset that Mitsubishi did not do
anything to stand by the promise.

If they did I would appreciate someone posting this information since I have
not heard of it.

If they haven't done anything why the kudos for offering the promise?
Unfulfilled promises no matter what the intent are still empty unfulfilled
and brought them more sales then they would have ever received without the
promise.


On 2/22/06 3:01 PM, "Richard Fisher" <[email protected]> wrote:

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>
> Rodolfo,
>
> Thank you for that response and I agree 100% with your conclusion. Mits
> deserves Kudos for even attempting to do this and some grief for putting
> off DVI/HDMI longer than necessary in their push for 1394.
>
> At this point no one is cut off from anything yet we expect the worst to
> come.
>
> The fat lady may be clearing her voice but she ain't sung yet!
>
>
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>
>> Doug,
>>
>> On the surface, when you look at it from the perspective of today, 3/4 years
>> later, it seems that
>> way.
>>
>> But look at it from the point of view that at that time TVs were much more
>> expensive, not $3000, and
>> no other manufacturer offered ANY option other than waiting and replacing the
>> expensive TV with a
>> future model with DVI/HDCP, and even then, most sets did not even use
>> IEEE1394 (like Mitsubishi did
>> for a HAVi digital network), only a few used it but as iLink for camcorders
>> (Sony).
>>
>> The plan was not perfect, it was not cheap, but no other manufacturer stepped
>> forward as they did to
>> give some hope of a future upgrade path, just because of that they deserve
>> some credit.
>>
>> Not even today manufacturers offer hardware upgrade paths, there is not one
>> that can offer to
>> replace your component input to DVI, or your DVI by HDMI, or your HDMI 1.0
>> chip receiver to a 1.2
>> chip version, not even as a costly option, they all expect you to replace the
>> TV.
>>
>> I never liked Mitsubishi cornering themselves "for so long" into a
>> IEEE1394-only digital
>> connectivity solution, ignoring the large wave of DVI and HDMI (which
>> eventually cost the job of
>> their Chief), but at least they had a vision of digital connectivity and
>> interactivity (HAVi) that
>> no one else was close to do, every one else was full steam into component
>> analog only. It was only
>> until some integrated sets arrived with IEEE1394 dual connections that those
>> manufacturers boarded
>> the train of digital networking, 4 years later.
>>
>> Mitsubishi had a vision, and commitment to that vision, it was not perfect,
>> but the ideal was way
>> ahead of the rest, choosing a digital direction in the analog-only market,
>> and in the middle of high
>> uncertainty regarding what connections would be used in the future.
>>
>> They should have moved faster into adding DVI and HDMI on their sets in
>> addition to their 1394
>> innovation, right in their 2003 lines, they waited 2 years longer than
>> necessary, holding all the
>> bets to their 1394 model, that was the big mistake, they did not count with
>> HDCP in the middle of
>> permitted digital to analog conversions, if DVI and HDMI would have been
>> implemented without HDCP
>> their box could have had some chance to still be useful if the price was
>> right.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Doug Weil
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:48 PM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I think the Promise was an unmitigated ripoff, particularly for buyers of
>> Mitsubishi's first-generation sets which didn't even include a component
>> input capable of handling 480p.
>>
>> It's incredibly lame for Mitsuhishi to turn around and expect you to reward
>> their stupidity with another $1000 of your hard-earned cash.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Doug
>> Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>>
>> Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
>> Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
>>
>> eMail: [email protected]
>> Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
>>
>> Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
>> http://www.imagingscience.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 14:27
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Ronnie,
>>
>> Please check the 2004 and 2005 reports (page 90 of the 2005), both are free
>> from the web site. I
>> covered this subject in detail.
>>
>> One main problem is that they cannot create a "promise" box that inputs
>> HDMI/HDCP and outputs
>> component or IEEE1394 even with 5c on it, if they want to maintain their
>> license.
>>
>> One thing on their favor is that they were the ONLY manufacturer that
>> offered some kind of future
>> upgrade for early generation sets, not cheap but something.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Ronnie A
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:15 PM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Mitsubishi Promise
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I am an early adopter with a Mitsu WS-73711, which has the regular
>> hook-ups
>> plus Firewire IEEE-1394. I still have the catalog, and in it Mitsu has the
>> "MITSUBISHI UBGRADEABILITY PROMISE," wherein they are promising that "We
>> will engineer and manufacture the upgrades necessary so the HD-Upgradeable
>> television you purchase today can be made compatible with near-future
>> advances in digital television and digital interconnectivity."
>> So now, as far as I know, I cannot upgrade to HDMI (or other
>> upgrades of
>> which I am aware).
>> What is anyone hearing about this situation?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ronnie A.
>>
>>
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James,

An earlier poster noted that there is an expensive delivery of the
promise module. For $1000 retail, you can purchase a module to add
firewire connectivity to an older component only MIts HDTV. Newer
Mits promise modules were actual STB that provided firewire, HDMI (I
think), component switching, ATSC tuning, etc. The price of this
module was also $1000 retail.

Most of the complaints are over the cost of the "promise" and the long
delays before Mits started providing DVI or HDMI inputs.

Jeff

On 2/22/06, James Healy <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
> Just curious, did Mitsubishi actually do anything for their customers that
> purchased TV's under this promise? The only posts that I remember seeing
> were for customers very frustrated and upset that Mitsubishi did not do
> anything to stand by the promise.
>
> If they did I would appreciate someone posting this information since I have
> not heard of it.
>
> If they haven't done anything why the kudos for offering the promise?
> Unfulfilled promises no matter what the intent are still empty unfulfilled
> and brought them more sales then they would have ever received without the
> promise.
>
>
> On 2/22/06 3:01 PM, "Richard Fisher" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Rodolfo,
> >
> > Thank you for that response and I agree 100% with your conclusion. Mits
> > deserves Kudos for even attempting to do this and some grief for putting
> > off DVI/HDMI longer than necessary in their push for 1394.
> >
> > At this point no one is cut off from anything yet we expect the worst to
> > come.
> >
> > The fat lady may be clearing her voice but she ain't sung yet!
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> > A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
> >
> > Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>
> >> Doug,
> >>
> >> On the surface, when you look at it from the perspective of today, 3/4 years
> >> later, it seems that
> >> way.
> >>
> >> But look at it from the point of view that at that time TVs were much more
> >> expensive, not $3000, and
> >> no other manufacturer offered ANY option other than waiting and replacing the
> >> expensive TV with a
> >> future model with DVI/HDCP, and even then, most sets did not even use
> >> IEEE1394 (like Mitsubishi did
> >> for a HAVi digital network), only a few used it but as iLink for camcorders
> >> (Sony).
> >>
> >> The plan was not perfect, it was not cheap, but no other manufacturer stepped
> >> forward as they did to
> >> give some hope of a future upgrade path, just because of that they deserve
> >> some credit.
> >>
> >> Not even today manufacturers offer hardware upgrade paths, there is not one
> >> that can offer to
> >> replace your component input to DVI, or your DVI by HDMI, or your HDMI 1.0
> >> chip receiver to a 1.2
> >> chip version, not even as a costly option, they all expect you to replace the
> >> TV.
> >>
> >> I never liked Mitsubishi cornering themselves "for so long" into a
> >> IEEE1394-only digital
> >> connectivity solution, ignoring the large wave of DVI and HDMI (which
> >> eventually cost the job of
> >> their Chief), but at least they had a vision of digital connectivity and
> >> interactivity (HAVi) that
> >> no one else was close to do, every one else was full steam into component
> >> analog only. It was only
> >> until some integrated sets arrived with IEEE1394 dual connections that those
> >> manufacturers boarded
> >> the train of digital networking, 4 years later.
> >>
> >> Mitsubishi had a vision, and commitment to that vision, it was not perfect,
> >> but the ideal was way
> >> ahead of the rest, choosing a digital direction in the analog-only market,
> >> and in the middle of high
> >> uncertainty regarding what connections would be used in the future.
> >>
> >> They should have moved faster into adding DVI and HDMI on their sets in
> >> addition to their 1394
> >> innovation, right in their 2003 lines, they waited 2 years longer than
> >> necessary, holding all the
> >> bets to their 1394 model, that was the big mistake, they did not count with
> >> HDCP in the middle of
> >> permitted digital to analog conversions, if DVI and HDMI would have been
> >> implemented without HDCP
> >> their box could have had some chance to still be useful if the price was
> >> right.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Rodolfo La Maestra
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >> Doug Weil
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:48 PM
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> I think the Promise was an unmitigated ripoff, particularly for buyers of
> >> Mitsubishi's first-generation sets which didn't even include a component
> >> input capable of handling 480p.
> >>
> >> It's incredibly lame for Mitsuhishi to turn around and expect you to reward
> >> their stupidity with another $1000 of your hard-earned cash.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Doug
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >> Rodolfo La Maestra
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 14:27
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Promise
> >>
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> >>
> >> Ronnie,
> >>
> >> Please check the 2004 and 2005 reports (page 90 of the 2005), both are free
> >> from the web site. I
> >> covered this subject in detail.
> >>
> >> One main problem is that they cannot create a "promise" box that inputs
> >> HDMI/HDCP and outputs
> >> component or IEEE1394 even with 5c on it, if they want to maintain their
> >> license.
> >>
> >> One thing on their favor is that they were the ONLY manufacturer that
> >> offered some kind of future
> >> upgrade for early generation sets, not cheap but something.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >> Ronnie A
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:15 PM
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Mitsubishi Promise
> >>
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> >>
> >> I am an early adopter with a Mitsu WS-73711, which has the regular
> >> hook-ups
> >> plus Firewire IEEE-1394. I still have the catalog, and in it Mitsu has the
> >> "MITSUBISHI UBGRADEABILITY PROMISE," wherein they are promising that "We
> >> will engineer and manufacture the upgrades necessary so the HD-Upgradeable
> >> television you purchase today can be made compatible with near-future
> >> advances in digital television and digital interconnectivity."
> >> So now, as far as I know, I cannot upgrade to HDMI (or other
> >> upgrades of
> >> which I am aware).
> >> What is anyone hearing about this situation?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ronnie A.
> >>
> >>
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James,

Your question: "Did Mitsubishi actually do anything for their customers that purchased TV's under
this promise?"

Did you read my response before posting this question? It helps.

In addition to what Jeff added, thanks Jeff, what about a 120GB PVR with HDMI input and output, QAM
CableCARD/NTSC/ATSC tuners, MPEG-2 encoder, 1394 inputs/outputs, HAVi network, TV Guide On Screen
guide, etc.

In other words, a mix of features one could find in (and pay for) several products separately, a
Cable STB PVR (Sony introduced them for close to $1000), an ATSC PVR (several hundreds), a
scaler/switcher with multiple inputs/outputs (you put the price of your choice), a MPEG-2 encoder,
to mention a few.

I would recommend to check the entry points of information I already provided (the reports, even
with page #), then if you find it necessary, a quick search on the Mitsubishi web site for the model
# HD 6000 if you do not find what you need on the report.

Just to help you on a research that is available from the reports available at the Mag web site at
no cost, here is their promise, you be the judge:

Original Promise Module:
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