My choice

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#1
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At 11:02 AM 1/24/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm still
>trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've seen the
>messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think the actual
>viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is really not
>worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.

Well, I'm going to be 64 this year (I hear a Beatles' song somewhere
in that line <g>) and I, for one, want my next set to have 1080p
input capability since I'm hoping to be around at least long enough
to enjoy it. This has been discussed here many times and Rodolfo has
made a strong case for 1080p input acceptance on a 1080p set as being
something that you will want, probably this year. I thought the
picture on the SXRD was great when I saw it at CEDIA and that the
1080p HP was at least in the same general category. But the HP's
ability to accept native 1080p input is what tipped the scales for me
in that direction. The only fly in the ointment was that my first HP
MD5880n arrived DOA on December 19th and I'm expecting delivery of
the replacement set from HP in a few hours. My fingers are crossed
that this set will be acceptable or else I'm sending it back to them
for a full refund. At That point I'll wait until the SXRD has the
1080p input capability, or maybe the Samsung if it has the same. Stay tuned...


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#2
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Joe:

My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality of
its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general price
range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think that it rivals
the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that the 50" is the next
evolutionary step in the development of this technology (LCoS) by Sony
under its product name of SXRD. I believe that it's also on sale at Best
Buy this week for $3,500. The 60" version, which looks just as good, is
also on sale I believe for $4,500.

Tom

"Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
Subject: Buy Me A TV

I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
which tv would you buy and why?

Joe Soprano
San Diego"


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#3
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I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm still
trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've seen the
messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think the actual
viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is really not
worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.

Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:01 AM
Subject: My choice


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>
> Joe:
>
> My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality of
> its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general price
> range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think that it
> rivals the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that the 50" is
> the next evolutionary step in the development of this technology (LCoS) by
> Sony under its product name of SXRD. I believe that it's also on sale at
> Best Buy this week for $3,500. The 60" version, which looks just as good,
> is also on sale I believe for $4,500.
>
> Tom
>
> "Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
> Subject: Buy Me A TV
>
> I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
> the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
> you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
> best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
> which tv would you buy and why?
>
> Joe Soprano
> San Diego"
>
>
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> or
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#4
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We've had the 60" SXRD in our home for around 3 months. It was great out of
the box; but even better after a recent ISF. I couldn't agree more with
those recommending it.

True, it doesn't currently have 1080P inputs. But I don't use it for a
computer monitor or playing games; and I don't expect to see any 1080P
broadcasting during the life of the set in my home. It does state of the
art deinterlacing and scaling. It does inverse-telecine on both 480i and
1080i film sources and motion based deinterlacing on video. Bottom line, it
goes from 1080i to 1080P keeping it's full resolution (does not drop back to
540P).

>From my perspective, I believe it will take a better set of eyes than mine
to see the difference between it's deinterlacing of a Blu Ray 1080i signal
(starts out 1080P/24 on the disc which is no more information than 1080i)
and a 1080P signal from the Blu Ray into a 1080P input on next year's TV.
During that time, I will have had a year of enjoying what I consider to be a
truly exceptional picture.

Regards,
Richard


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: My choice


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>
> I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm still
> trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've seen the
> messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think the actual
> viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is really not
> worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.
>
> Jack
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:01 AM
> Subject: My choice
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Joe:
>>
>> My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality of
>> its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general price
>> range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think that it
>> rivals the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that the 50" is
>> the next evolutionary step in the development of this technology (LCoS)
>> by Sony under its product name of SXRD. I believe that it's also on sale
>> at Best Buy this week for $3,500. The 60" version, which looks just as
>> good, is also on sale I believe for $4,500.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> "Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Buy Me A TV
>>
>> I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
>> the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
>> you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
>> best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
>> which tv would you buy and why?
>>
>> Joe Soprano
>> San Diego"
>>
>>
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>> or
>> stupidity.
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#5
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I'm curious, Richard, how well does the SXRD do with SD?
My CRT RPTV does a splendid job. May I hope for equal or better with the
SXRD?

Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard and Carrie Bray" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: My choice


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>
> We've had the 60" SXRD in our home for around 3 months. It was great out
> of the box; but even better after a recent ISF. I couldn't agree more
> with those recommending it.
>
> True, it doesn't currently have 1080P inputs. But I don't use it for a
> computer monitor or playing games; and I don't expect to see any 1080P
> broadcasting during the life of the set in my home. It does state of the
> art deinterlacing and scaling. It does inverse-telecine on both 480i and
> 1080i film sources and motion based deinterlacing on video. Bottom line,
> it goes from 1080i to 1080P keeping it's full resolution (does not drop
> back to 540P).
>
> From my perspective, I believe it will take a better set of eyes than mine
> to see the difference between it's deinterlacing of a Blu Ray 1080i signal
> (starts out 1080P/24 on the disc which is no more information than 1080i)
> and a 1080P signal from the Blu Ray into a 1080P input on next year's TV.
> During that time, I will have had a year of enjoying what I consider to be
> a truly exceptional picture.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: My choice
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm
>> still trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've
>> seen the messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think
>> the actual viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is
>> really not worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.
>>
>> Jack
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:01 AM
>> Subject: My choice
>>
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Joe:
>>>
>>> My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality
>>> of its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general
>>> price range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think that
>>> it rivals the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that the
>>> 50" is the next evolutionary step in the development of this technology
>>> (LCoS) by Sony under its product name of SXRD. I believe that it's also
>>> on sale at Best Buy this week for $3,500. The 60" version, which looks
>>> just as good, is also on sale I believe for $4,500.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> "Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Buy Me A TV
>>>
>>> I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
>>> the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
>>> you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
>>> best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
>>> which tv would you buy and why?
>>>
>>> Joe Soprano
>>> San Diego"
>>>
>>>
>>> Be slow to attribute to malice what can be simply explained by ignorance
>>> or
>>> stupidity.
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#6
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Jack,

My prior HD TV was a Mitsubishi 55" RPTV that had been ISF'ed. It still had
a poor SD picture, so I added a Lumagen video processor to upconvert 480i to
1080i. Then I felt my SD picture was as good as it was going to get.

I thought I might still use the Lumagen with the SXRD; but was pleasantly
surprised to find that the SXRD does a very good job upconverting 480i to
1080P. The Lumagen has been permanently retired and I believe my current SD
pictures are at least as good as with the Lumagen-Mitsubishi combination
(considering my current screen is 5" bigger). General consensus on AVS
forum seems to be that the SXRD does as good or better (in many cases much
better) with SD than any of the other current 1080P sets.

Regards,
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: My choice


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I'm curious, Richard, how well does the SXRD do with SD?
> My CRT RPTV does a splendid job. May I hope for equal or better with the
> SXRD?
>
> Jack
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard and Carrie Bray" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: My choice
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> We've had the 60" SXRD in our home for around 3 months. It was great out
>> of the box; but even better after a recent ISF. I couldn't agree more
>> with those recommending it.
>>
>> True, it doesn't currently have 1080P inputs. But I don't use it for a
>> computer monitor or playing games; and I don't expect to see any 1080P
>> broadcasting during the life of the set in my home. It does state of the
>> art deinterlacing and scaling. It does inverse-telecine on both 480i and
>> 1080i film sources and motion based deinterlacing on video. Bottom line,
>> it goes from 1080i to 1080P keeping it's full resolution (does not drop
>> back to 540P).
>>
>> From my perspective, I believe it will take a better set of eyes than
>> mine to see the difference between it's deinterlacing of a Blu Ray 1080i
>> signal (starts out 1080P/24 on the disc which is no more information than
>> 1080i) and a 1080P signal from the Blu Ray into a 1080P input on next
>> year's TV. During that time, I will have had a year of enjoying what I
>> consider to be a truly exceptional picture.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jack" <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: My choice
>>
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm
>>> still trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've
>>> seen the messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think
>>> the actual viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is
>>> really not worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live
>>> forever.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:01 AM
>>> Subject: My choice
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> Joe:
>>>>
>>>> My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality
>>>> of its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general
>>>> price range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think that
>>>> it rivals the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that the
>>>> 50" is the next evolutionary step in the development of this technology
>>>> (LCoS) by Sony under its product name of SXRD. I believe that it's
>>>> also on sale at Best Buy this week for $3,500. The 60" version, which
>>>> looks just as good, is also on sale I believe for $4,500.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> "Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
>>>> From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: Buy Me A TV
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
>>>> the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
>>>> you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
>>>> best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
>>>> which tv would you buy and why?
>>>>
>>>> Joe Soprano
>>>> San Diego"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be slow to attribute to malice what can be simply explained by
>>>> ignorance or
>>>> stupidity.
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#7
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I would echo Richard's comments about the way the SXRD handles SD. While I
don't own one I did get a chance to view one at a friend's house and I spend
quite some time seeing just how well it handles SD and it was better than my
Pioneer Elite Pro520HD (RPTV).

Hugh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard and Carrie Bray" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: My choice


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Jack,
>
> My prior HD TV was a Mitsubishi 55" RPTV that had been ISF'ed. It still
> had a poor SD picture, so I added a Lumagen video processor to upconvert
> 480i to 1080i. Then I felt my SD picture was as good as it was going to
> get.
>
> I thought I might still use the Lumagen with the SXRD; but was pleasantly
> surprised to find that the SXRD does a very good job upconverting 480i to
> 1080P. The Lumagen has been permanently retired and I believe my current
> SD pictures are at least as good as with the Lumagen-Mitsubishi
> combination (considering my current screen is 5" bigger). General
> consensus on AVS forum seems to be that the SXRD does as good or better
> (in many cases much better) with SD than any of the other current 1080P
> sets.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: My choice
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I'm curious, Richard, how well does the SXRD do with SD?
>> My CRT RPTV does a splendid job. May I hope for equal or better with the
>> SXRD?
>>
>> Jack
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard and Carrie Bray" <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: My choice
>>
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> We've had the 60" SXRD in our home for around 3 months. It was great
>>> out of the box; but even better after a recent ISF. I couldn't agree
>>> more with those recommending it.
>>>
>>> True, it doesn't currently have 1080P inputs. But I don't use it for a
>>> computer monitor or playing games; and I don't expect to see any 1080P
>>> broadcasting during the life of the set in my home. It does state of
>>> the art deinterlacing and scaling. It does inverse-telecine on both
>>> 480i and 1080i film sources and motion based deinterlacing on video.
>>> Bottom line, it goes from 1080i to 1080P keeping it's full resolution
>>> (does not drop back to 540P).
>>>
>>> From my perspective, I believe it will take a better set of eyes than
>>> mine to see the difference between it's deinterlacing of a Blu Ray 1080i
>>> signal (starts out 1080P/24 on the disc which is no more information
>>> than 1080i) and a 1080P signal from the Blu Ray into a 1080P input on
>>> next year's TV. During that time, I will have had a year of enjoying
>>> what I consider to be a truly exceptional picture.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jack" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: My choice
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm
>>>> still trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've
>>>> seen the messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think
>>>> the actual viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is
>>>> really not worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live
>>>> forever.
>>>>
>>>> Jack
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
>>>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:01 AM
>>>> Subject: My choice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe:
>>>>>
>>>>> My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality
>>>>> of its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general
>>>>> price range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think
>>>>> that it rivals the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that
>>>>> the 50" is the next evolutionary step in the development of this
>>>>> technology (LCoS) by Sony under its product name of SXRD. I believe
>>>>> that it's also on sale at Best Buy this week for $3,500. The 60"
>>>>> version, which looks just as good, is also on sale I believe for
>>>>> $4,500.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> "Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
>>>>> From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Buy Me A TV
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
>>>>> the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
>>>>> you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
>>>>> best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
>>>>> which tv would you buy and why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Soprano
>>>>> San Diego"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Be slow to attribute to malice what can be simply explained by
>>>>> ignorance or
>>>>> stupidity.
>>>>>
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You old guys are everywhere. Nobody can see worth a darn. :)

Hugh (youthful 65)


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To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: My choice


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> At 11:02 AM 1/24/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>>I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm still
>>trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've seen the
>>messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think the actual
>>viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is really not
>>worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.
>
> Well, I'm going to be 64 this year (I hear a Beatles' song somewhere in
> that line <g>) and I, for one, want my next set to have 1080p input
> capability since I'm hoping to be around at least long enough to enjoy it.
> This has been discussed here many times and Rodolfo has made a strong case
> for 1080p input acceptance on a 1080p set as being something that you will
> want, probably this year. I thought the picture on the SXRD was great
> when I saw it at CEDIA and that the 1080p HP was at least in the same
> general category. But the HP's ability to accept native 1080p input is
> what tipped the scales for me in that direction. The only fly in the
> ointment was that my first HP MD5880n arrived DOA on December 19th and I'm
> expecting delivery of the replacement set from HP in a few hours. My
> fingers are crossed that this set will be acceptable or else I'm sending
> it back to them for a full refund. At That point I'll wait until the SXRD
> has the 1080p input capability, or maybe the Samsung if it has the same.
> Stay tuned...
>
>
> -- RAF
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Jack,
I am 64 also, but I do not want to spend my money on a 1080P set that will
not accept a 1080P signal from one of the new HD Blu-ray DVD players. I
intend to take Rodolfo's advice and wait for the next generation of sets
which might even be less expensive and include a 1080P input.

Bob Bullock

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jack
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:02 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm still
trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've seen the
messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think the actual
viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is really not
worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.

Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:01 AM
Subject: My choice


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>
> Joe:
>
> My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality of
> its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general price
> range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think that it
> rivals the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that the 50" is
> the next evolutionary step in the development of this technology (LCoS) by

> Sony under its product name of SXRD. I believe that it's also on sale at
> Best Buy this week for $3,500. The 60" version, which looks just as good,

> is also on sale I believe for $4,500.
>
> Tom
>
> "Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
> Subject: Buy Me A TV
>
> I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
> the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
> you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
> best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
> which tv would you buy and why?
>
> Joe Soprano
> San Diego"
>
>
> Be slow to attribute to malice what can be simply explained by ignorance
> or
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#10
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Robert,
Good for you!!! I hope the replacement set is ok, but I agree with you in
that I would wait for the SXRD with a 1080P input if the HP replacement set
is bad.

Bob Bullock

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dr
Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:15 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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At 11:02 AM 1/24/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm still
>trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've seen the
>messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think the actual
>viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is really not
>worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.

Well, I'm going to be 64 this year (I hear a Beatles' song somewhere
in that line <g>) and I, for one, want my next set to have 1080p
input capability since I'm hoping to be around at least long enough
to enjoy it. This has been discussed here many times and Rodolfo has
made a strong case for 1080p input acceptance on a 1080p set as being
something that you will want, probably this year. I thought the
picture on the SXRD was great when I saw it at CEDIA and that the
1080p HP was at least in the same general category. But the HP's
ability to accept native 1080p input is what tipped the scales for me
in that direction. The only fly in the ointment was that my first HP
MD5880n arrived DOA on December 19th and I'm expecting delivery of
the replacement set from HP in a few hours. My fingers are crossed
that this set will be acceptable or else I'm sending it back to them
for a full refund. At That point I'll wait until the SXRD has the
1080p input capability, or maybe the Samsung if it has the same. Stay
tuned...


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#11
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Robert,

They are coming this year, from Samsung, etc, details on the report soon.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Robert Bullock
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:01 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


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Jack,
I am 64 also, but I do not want to spend my money on a 1080P set that will
not accept a 1080P signal from one of the new HD Blu-ray DVD players. I
intend to take Rodolfo's advice and wait for the next generation of sets
which might even be less expensive and include a 1080P input.

Bob Bullock

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jack
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:02 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm still
trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've seen the
messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think the actual
viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is really not
worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.

Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:01 AM
Subject: My choice


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>
> Joe:
>
> My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality of
> its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general price
> range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think that it
> rivals the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that the 50" is
> the next evolutionary step in the development of this technology (LCoS) by

> Sony under its product name of SXRD. I believe that it's also on sale at
> Best Buy this week for $3,500. The 60" version, which looks just as good,

> is also on sale I believe for $4,500.
>
> Tom
>
> "Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
> Subject: Buy Me A TV
>
> I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
> the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
> you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
> best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
> which tv would you buy and why?
>
> Joe Soprano
> San Diego"
>
>
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> or
> stupidity.
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#12
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Jack,

No one can argue with your decision.

But, I would caution that unless (1) you watch little or no broadcast,
satellite, or cable TV; or (2) you plan to spend another couple thousand
dollars for an outboard processor; pay plenty of attention to how the TV
upconverts to 1080P. Most people will spend a lot more time watching
upconverted sources than they will watching a 1080P feed from their HD
Blu-Ray/DVD player.

Of course, I'm not considering those that primarily want a big computer
monitor or are dedicated "gamers".

Regards,
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Bullock" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: My choice


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Jack,
I am 64 also, but I do not want to spend my money on a 1080P set that will
not accept a 1080P signal from one of the new HD Blu-ray DVD players. I
intend to take Rodolfo's advice and wait for the next generation of sets
which might even be less expensive and include a 1080P input.

Bob Bullock

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jack
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:02 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I have seen the 60" SXRD for sale online for as little as $3500. I'm still
trying to sell my Hitachi SWX20B so I can make room for it. I've seen the
messages about waiting for the 1080p input but I really think the actual
viewing difference--what I can perceive with my own eyes--is really not
worth the wait. Besides, I'm 64 and not going to live forever.

Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas B Kemp" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:01 AM
Subject: My choice


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Joe:
>
> My vote would be for the Sony 50" SXRD RPTV. I think that the quality of
> its picture is at the top of all the sets in that size and general price
> range that I have seen over the past two years or so I think that it
> rivals the $13K Qualia 006 which is also SXRD but I think that the 50" is
> the next evolutionary step in the development of this technology (LCoS) by

> Sony under its product name of SXRD. I believe that it's also on sale at
> Best Buy this week for $3,500. The 60" version, which looks just as good,

> is also on sale I believe for $4,500.
>
> Tom
>
> "Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Joe Soprano dba Fun Services <[email protected]>
> Subject: Buy Me A TV
>
> I'm curious about the personal taste of each member of
> the tips list who chooses to respond. If someone gave
> you five thousand dollars and asked you to buy the
> best 42" to 52" tv you could find today, at retail,
> which tv would you buy and why?
>
> Joe Soprano
> San Diego"
>
>
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> or
> stupidity.
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#13
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At 02:09 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>You old guys are everywhere. Nobody can see worth a darn. :)
>
>Hugh (youthful 65)

Isn't it amazing that as our "discretionary income" grows our ability
to see and hear diminishes proportionally? There's a message in
there somewhere I guess but I can't see or hear it. <g>


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At 07:05 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert,
>Good for you!!! I hope the replacement set is ok, but I agree with you in
>that I would wait for the SXRD with a 1080P input if the HP replacement set
>is bad.

Bob,

I'm happy to report that the replacement HP MD5880n arrived late
yesterday and my initial impressions are that it is working just
fine! Not only does it not exhibit the major problems my original
set had, but it also appears to be free of the relatively minor
issues being talked about on the various message boards on the
internet. No pincushioning problems, no hiss from the speakers, no
noisy color wheel, etc. While my fingers are still crossed I'm
pleased to be seeing some great pictures from all my HD Dish
channels. Some of the stations (Equator, DiscoveryHD and even
HDNews) look stunning. The picture far surpasses my Panasonic 37"
Plasma and the 720p Runco on the large (110") Stewart Screen. As
good as HD looks on the latter two sources, the HP truly looks like a
window to the world, if you get my analogy.

Over the next few days I'll be rewiring my complete setup in the HT
to incorporate my new DVDO iScan VP30. While I purchased this mainly
to use as a distribution hub for all my video sources (I still prefer
to pass all audio through my Lexicon MC-8 as this avoids any HDMI
audio issues) I'm planning on feeding 1080p to my new HP and 720p
into my Runco. I'm anxious to see how all the source material
looks when fed into each unit at it's native resolution. Without the
1080p input capability on the HP I wouldn't have been able to use
this approach.

Finally, even though I'm and "old guy" I still consider myself a
gamer so the 1080p input ability of the HP is attractive in that
regard as well. I'm taking delivery of a new laptop with DVI output
(Dell M170) and I look forward to also using the HP as a computer
monitor at times as well.

Bring on Blu-ray!


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At 07:23 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Of course, I'm not considering those that primarily want a big computer
>monitor or are dedicated "gamers".

And, of course, that's a bit of icing on the cake when getting a set
with 1080p input capability via HDMI as well as VGA input. While it
wasn't my prime reason for seeking out the HP MD5880n, it sure
pleases the 63 year old "gamer" in me. ;)


-- RAF


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I have had the 65" HP for about 3 weeks now and I am wafting for a
replacement set which should come on Monday. The screen has black specks
which look like dirt somewhere in the projection path. I a hoping for a good
set on Monday. If it isn't I will returning it for a full refund and waiting
for the Sony KDS-R60XBR1 with 1080P inputs.

An interesting thing - I spoke with Tweeter Etc. today about the Sony and
they told me it accepts 1080P on HDMI1 (not 2). He also told me that Sony
had sent a 1080P demo loop to display on the TV.

So then I called Sony Style and asked them to confirm and they told me both
accept 1080P. The person I spoke too I knew was clueless.

So I downloaded the PDF version of the owners manual from Amazon.com and
looked in the specs section - it clearly states the HDMI inputs only accept
up to 1080i

Does anyone know when the Sony will truly accept 1080P or if there will be
an upgrade kit for the current sets?

Thanks
Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dr
Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:15 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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At 07:05 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert,
>Good for you!!! I hope the replacement set is ok, but I agree with you
>in that I would wait for the SXRD with a 1080P input if the HP
>replacement set is bad.

Bob,

I'm happy to report that the replacement HP MD5880n arrived late yesterday
and my initial impressions are that it is working just fine! Not only does
it not exhibit the major problems my original set had, but it also appears
to be free of the relatively minor issues being talked about on the various
message boards on the internet. No pincushioning problems, no hiss from the
speakers, no noisy color wheel, etc. While my fingers are still crossed I'm
pleased to be seeing some great pictures from all my HD Dish channels. Some
of the stations (Equator, DiscoveryHD and even
HDNews) look stunning. The picture far surpasses my Panasonic 37"
Plasma and the 720p Runco on the large (110") Stewart Screen. As good as HD
looks on the latter two sources, the HP truly looks like a window to the
world, if you get my analogy.

Over the next few days I'll be rewiring my complete setup in the HT to
incorporate my new DVDO iScan VP30. While I purchased this mainly to use as
a distribution hub for all my video sources (I still prefer to pass all
audio through my Lexicon MC-8 as this avoids any HDMI audio issues) I'm
planning on feeding 1080p to my new HP and 720p
into my Runco. I'm anxious to see how all the source material
looks when fed into each unit at it's native resolution. Without the 1080p
input capability on the HP I wouldn't have been able to use this approach.

Finally, even though I'm and "old guy" I still consider myself a gamer so
the 1080p input ability of the HP is attractive in that regard as well. I'm
taking delivery of a new laptop with DVI output (Dell M170) and I look
forward to also using the HP as a computer monitor at times as well.

Bring on Blu-ray!


-- RAF


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Michael,

Your question can not be responded with a flat YES or NO. You know what you want, and you deserve
analysis when the info is not 100% disclosed, so here I go:

Sony declared at CES that they will announce the details of how these sets will be replaced at their
usual spring official company news release. 1080p acceptance was discussed as an important issue, we
talked long, but I never was given the green light for official write-ups, so I do not want to
create a snow ball that will eventually hit in my nose.

Additionally I am still analyzing new material on all manufacturers, and I got burn before with
advancing too early, I do not want to make mistakes. Besides, documents are very tricky, in some
cases these "key features" are sitting as "relatively unimportant" couple of words on a corner of
500-words company papers.

Sony has never been easy to anticipate, but one thing is clear, they want to have a complete 1080p
loop of Blu-ray player/PS3 and capable display device. They do have the Ruby front projector suited
with 1080p inputs, and the Qualia 004 (upgradeable when you sell the car).

Without doing a dedicated lab test to actually see what version of the HDMI chip they used (not what
the AVS forum says they used), and without getting down to the absolute true if their design after
the HDMI receiver is able or not to work with high enough bandwidth to handle 1080p 60fps, we have
to trust what Sony declares, and that is NO.

Due to lack of time, I am not planning to do with Sony what I did with Brillian. I did it with them
because they were unique (as HP) on the 1080p60fps input feature in their first generation, and also
because they were LCoS (you have to have a lot of guts to bet your house on building a company
around LCoS, considering the withdrawals over the last couple of years, including Intel, Philips,
Mitsubishi, etc). So they deserved all my attention, and they had it, good people.

I wrote it also because people that know better deserve to have the full true of it, not only a line
on a spec pdf that some times is inaccurate, although unfortunately accurate in your Sony case.

Regarding what you were told at the stores, they USUALLY do not know more than the basic features.
Try to stretch them a bit and they do not even take the time to research well to find the correct
answer for you.

Do not take wrong, there are many good sales people out there that read and invest personal time on
knowing better for their customers, but I feel sorry for consumers in that those sales people are
the exception, even after 8 years of HDTV on the stores.

I was told by Sony that they can not even disclose if the replacement line will be the slim line
they introduced at the show; it is possible, but at least I know they are considering the
importance of 1080p.

Now, let us analyze this from another corner:

One thing that is giving a lot of clue is that their Blu-ray player is UPCONVERTING everything to
1080p 60fps, now you tell me, what sort of benefit a Sony consumer could see on having something
like that on a hi-end player when the same company produce only display devices that can not receive
it? We will know "officially" soon, but they are very reserved as usual.

Regarding upgrades, they do it with a $30K projector (if you want to pay another $3K), would they do
it for a $4000 RPPT? Uhhm, this is so difficult to guess !!

I would not count with a freebie upgrade of 1080p/60ps on DVI/HDMI inputs on their $4K current sets,
I doubt they would have implemented the current sets with just software limitations and the HW is
actually in place, if they would have done that, they would have declared that a software upgrade
for that feature will become available long time ago, and certainly if I would be Sony I would have
announced that the minute the sets were released as a future-proof sales speech nobody else could
beat.

I do not see them sending service technicians to each home to change HW and SW for just 1080p
inputs, although who knows, and here is the final part of the analysis:

They are willing to loose money on PS3s that would sell for half the price of the stand-alone
player, the upgrade TV move might be a good back up plan strategy to facilitate the dominance of
Blu-ray, in other words: "give consumers also 1080p input capabilities on their sets before they
switch to HD DVD in despair", a feature that Toshiba HD DVD ignores blatantly on their first
version.

Actions like this could help tilt the balance in the middle of a war that could last a year before
one of them calls it quits, the first version could be the one that decides format dominance,
Toshiba HD DVD made its first move without 1080p outputs, and their TVs do not even support 1080p
inputs as well, and will not in 2006, as yet announced.

What I meant is an strategy could be "give ALL of the Sony display owners 1080p inputs on current
sets and Blu-ray would have gained an immediate large supporting crowd of existing and future Sony
owners, not to mention hard-core PS3 gamers on all ages."

We will have to wait a bit until they make their next move to hint the direction for their Spring
announcement.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Michael Iantosca
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


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I have had the 65" HP for about 3 weeks now and I am wafting for a
replacement set which should come on Monday. The screen has black specks
which look like dirt somewhere in the projection path. I a hoping for a good
set on Monday. If it isn't I will returning it for a full refund and waiting
for the Sony KDS-R60XBR1 with 1080P inputs.

An interesting thing - I spoke with Tweeter Etc. today about the Sony and
they told me it accepts 1080P on HDMI1 (not 2). He also told me that Sony
had sent a 1080P demo loop to display on the TV.

So then I called Sony Style and asked them to confirm and they told me both
accept 1080P. The person I spoke too I knew was clueless.

So I downloaded the PDF version of the owners manual from Amazon.com and
looked in the specs section - it clearly states the HDMI inputs only accept
up to 1080i

Does anyone know when the Sony will truly accept 1080P or if there will be
an upgrade kit for the current sets?

Thanks
Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dr
Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:15 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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At 07:05 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert,
>Good for you!!! I hope the replacement set is ok, but I agree with you
>in that I would wait for the SXRD with a 1080P input if the HP
>replacement set is bad.

Bob,

I'm happy to report that the replacement HP MD5880n arrived late yesterday
and my initial impressions are that it is working just fine! Not only does
it not exhibit the major problems my original set had, but it also appears
to be free of the relatively minor issues being talked about on the various
message boards on the internet. No pincushioning problems, no hiss from the
speakers, no noisy color wheel, etc. While my fingers are still crossed I'm
pleased to be seeing some great pictures from all my HD Dish channels. Some
of the stations (Equator, DiscoveryHD and even
HDNews) look stunning. The picture far surpasses my Panasonic 37"
Plasma and the 720p Runco on the large (110") Stewart Screen. As good as HD
looks on the latter two sources, the HP truly looks like a window to the
world, if you get my analogy.

Over the next few days I'll be rewiring my complete setup in the HT to
incorporate my new DVDO iScan VP30. While I purchased this mainly to use as
a distribution hub for all my video sources (I still prefer to pass all
audio through my Lexicon MC-8 as this avoids any HDMI audio issues) I'm
planning on feeding 1080p to my new HP and 720p
into my Runco. I'm anxious to see how all the source material
looks when fed into each unit at it's native resolution. Without the 1080p
input capability on the HP I wouldn't have been able to use this approach.

Finally, even though I'm and "old guy" I still consider myself a gamer so
the 1080p input ability of the HP is attractive in that regard as well. I'm
taking delivery of a new laptop with DVI output (Dell M170) and I look
forward to also using the HP as a computer monitor at times as well.

Bring on Blu-ray!


-- RAF


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#18
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Hi Rodolfo,

Thank you so much for very detailed analysis. I think I am going to return
my HP and wait for a few months until I hear what is going on with Sony's
1080P inputs.

Is Sony's spring announcement usually in March?

I guess I will wheel by big 65" monster Mitz RPTV back into the family room
for another few months - my wife is going to love that - she was loving the
new HP and extra floor space it freed up.

I am going to Tweeter to see the Sony running on the test loop and ask the
salesman to take a look at the owners manual so he can see the 1080i
limitation for himself.

Thanks again
Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:03 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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Michael,

Your question can not be responded with a flat YES or NO. You know what you
want, and you deserve analysis when the info is not 100% disclosed, so here
I go:

Sony declared at CES that they will announce the details of how these sets
will be replaced at their usual spring official company news release. 1080p
acceptance was discussed as an important issue, we talked long, but I never
was given the green light for official write-ups, so I do not want to create
a snow ball that will eventually hit in my nose.

Additionally I am still analyzing new material on all manufacturers, and I
got burn before with advancing too early, I do not want to make mistakes.
Besides, documents are very tricky, in some cases these "key features" are
sitting as "relatively unimportant" couple of words on a corner of 500-words
company papers.

Sony has never been easy to anticipate, but one thing is clear, they want to
have a complete 1080p loop of Blu-ray player/PS3 and capable display device.
They do have the Ruby front projector suited with 1080p inputs, and the
Qualia 004 (upgradeable when you sell the car).

Without doing a dedicated lab test to actually see what version of the HDMI
chip they used (not what the AVS forum says they used), and without getting
down to the absolute true if their design after the HDMI receiver is able or
not to work with high enough bandwidth to handle 1080p 60fps, we have to
trust what Sony declares, and that is NO.

Due to lack of time, I am not planning to do with Sony what I did with
Brillian. I did it with them because they were unique (as HP) on the
1080p60fps input feature in their first generation, and also because they
were LCoS (you have to have a lot of guts to bet your house on building a
company around LCoS, considering the withdrawals over the last couple of
years, including Intel, Philips, Mitsubishi, etc). So they deserved all my
attention, and they had it, good people.

I wrote it also because people that know better deserve to have the full
true of it, not only a line on a spec pdf that some times is inaccurate,
although unfortunately accurate in your Sony case.

Regarding what you were told at the stores, they USUALLY do not know more
than the basic features.
Try to stretch them a bit and they do not even take the time to research
well to find the correct answer for you.

Do not take wrong, there are many good sales people out there that read and
invest personal time on knowing better for their customers, but I feel sorry
for consumers in that those sales people are the exception, even after 8
years of HDTV on the stores.

I was told by Sony that they can not even disclose if the replacement line
will be the slim line they introduced at the show; it is possible, but at
least I know they are considering the importance of 1080p.

Now, let us analyze this from another corner:

One thing that is giving a lot of clue is that their Blu-ray player is
UPCONVERTING everything to 1080p 60fps, now you tell me, what sort of
benefit a Sony consumer could see on having something like that on a hi-end
player when the same company produce only display devices that can not
receive it? We will know "officially" soon, but they are very reserved as
usual.

Regarding upgrades, they do it with a $30K projector (if you want to pay
another $3K), would they do it for a $4000 RPPT? Uhhm, this is so difficult
to guess !!

I would not count with a freebie upgrade of 1080p/60ps on DVI/HDMI inputs on
their $4K current sets, I doubt they would have implemented the current sets
with just software limitations and the HW is actually in place, if they
would have done that, they would have declared that a software upgrade for
that feature will become available long time ago, and certainly if I would
be Sony I would have announced that the minute the sets were released as a
future-proof sales speech nobody else could beat.

I do not see them sending service technicians to each home to change HW and
SW for just 1080p inputs, although who knows, and here is the final part of
the analysis:

They are willing to loose money on PS3s that would sell for half the price
of the stand-alone player, the upgrade TV move might be a good back up plan
strategy to facilitate the dominance of Blu-ray, in other words: "give
consumers also 1080p input capabilities on their sets before they switch to
HD DVD in despair", a feature that Toshiba HD DVD ignores blatantly on their
first version.

Actions like this could help tilt the balance in the middle of a war that
could last a year before one of them calls it quits, the first version could
be the one that decides format dominance, Toshiba HD DVD made its first move
without 1080p outputs, and their TVs do not even support 1080p inputs as
well, and will not in 2006, as yet announced.

What I meant is an strategy could be "give ALL of the Sony display owners
1080p inputs on current sets and Blu-ray would have gained an immediate
large supporting crowd of existing and future Sony owners, not to mention
hard-core PS3 gamers on all ages."

We will have to wait a bit until they make their next move to hint the
direction for their Spring announcement.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Michael Iantosca
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


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I have had the 65" HP for about 3 weeks now and I am wafting for a
replacement set which should come on Monday. The screen has black specks
which look like dirt somewhere in the projection path. I a hoping for a good
set on Monday. If it isn't I will returning it for a full refund and waiting
for the Sony KDS-R60XBR1 with 1080P inputs.

An interesting thing - I spoke with Tweeter Etc. today about the Sony and
they told me it accepts 1080P on HDMI1 (not 2). He also told me that Sony
had sent a 1080P demo loop to display on the TV.

So then I called Sony Style and asked them to confirm and they told me both
accept 1080P. The person I spoke too I knew was clueless.

So I downloaded the PDF version of the owners manual from Amazon.com and
looked in the specs section - it clearly states the HDMI inputs only accept
up to 1080i

Does anyone know when the Sony will truly accept 1080P or if there will be
an upgrade kit for the current sets?

Thanks
Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dr
Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:15 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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At 07:05 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert,
>Good for you!!! I hope the replacement set is ok, but I agree with you
>in that I would wait for the SXRD with a 1080P input if the HP
>replacement set is bad.

Bob,

I'm happy to report that the replacement HP MD5880n arrived late yesterday
and my initial impressions are that it is working just fine! Not only does
it not exhibit the major problems my original set had, but it also appears
to be free of the relatively minor issues being talked about on the various
message boards on the internet. No pincushioning problems, no hiss from the
speakers, no noisy color wheel, etc. While my fingers are still crossed I'm
pleased to be seeing some great pictures from all my HD Dish channels. Some
of the stations (Equator, DiscoveryHD and even
HDNews) look stunning. The picture far surpasses my Panasonic 37"
Plasma and the 720p Runco on the large (110") Stewart Screen. As good as HD
looks on the latter two sources, the HP truly looks like a window to the
world, if you get my analogy.

Over the next few days I'll be rewiring my complete setup in the HT to
incorporate my new DVDO iScan VP30. While I purchased this mainly to use as
a distribution hub for all my video sources (I still prefer to pass all
audio through my Lexicon MC-8 as this avoids any HDMI audio issues) I'm
planning on feeding 1080p to my new HP and 720p
into my Runco. I'm anxious to see how all the source material
looks when fed into each unit at it's native resolution. Without the 1080p
input capability on the HP I wouldn't have been able to use this approach.

Finally, even though I'm and "old guy" I still consider myself a gamer so
the 1080p input ability of the HP is attractive in that regard as well. I'm
taking delivery of a new laptop with DVI output (Dell M170) and I look
forward to also using the HP as a computer monitor at times as well.

Bring on Blu-ray!


-- RAF


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#19
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Michael,

Sony company announcements could run from March to June depending of the year, but the products
would most probably not become available until CEDIA (September), at least, sometimes even later.

In other words, you are facing a minimum waiting of 9 months from now to actually see a new set at a
place you can order, however, the announcement in Spring would give you at least an advance notice
and will reveal if the specs interest you for the waiting, but getting the set is another issue.

Most other major companies do the same, although I have seen Samsung doing it 3 times in a year,
imagine a cycle as short as 4 months discontinuation periods.

I would suggest you not to enter in a knowledge competition with any sales person that has already
giving you negative signs regarding not being open to learn, it could become nasty because they
usually do not like to be challenged in the sales floor when other customers come in and out the
area around your conversation.

But they still could perform a service to you if you want to buy, and make sure you just wisely
control the verbal exchanges to leave all the bad weed information out of your ears, it could be
confusing if you do not.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Michael Iantosca
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:06 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


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Hi Rodolfo,

Thank you so much for very detailed analysis. I think I am going to return
my HP and wait for a few months until I hear what is going on with Sony's
1080P inputs.

Is Sony's spring announcement usually in March?

I guess I will wheel by big 65" monster Mitz RPTV back into the family room
for another few months - my wife is going to love that - she was loving the
new HP and extra floor space it freed up.

I am going to Tweeter to see the Sony running on the test loop and ask the
salesman to take a look at the owners manual so he can see the 1080i
limitation for himself.

Thanks again
Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:03 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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Michael,

Your question can not be responded with a flat YES or NO. You know what you
want, and you deserve analysis when the info is not 100% disclosed, so here
I go:

Sony declared at CES that they will announce the details of how these sets
will be replaced at their usual spring official company news release. 1080p
acceptance was discussed as an important issue, we talked long, but I never
was given the green light for official write-ups, so I do not want to create
a snow ball that will eventually hit in my nose.

Additionally I am still analyzing new material on all manufacturers, and I
got burn before with advancing too early, I do not want to make mistakes.
Besides, documents are very tricky, in some cases these "key features" are
sitting as "relatively unimportant" couple of words on a corner of 500-words
company papers.

Sony has never been easy to anticipate, but one thing is clear, they want to
have a complete 1080p loop of Blu-ray player/PS3 and capable display device.
They do have the Ruby front projector suited with 1080p inputs, and the
Qualia 004 (upgradeable when you sell the car).

Without doing a dedicated lab test to actually see what version of the HDMI
chip they used (not what the AVS forum says they used), and without getting
down to the absolute true if their design after the HDMI receiver is able or
not to work with high enough bandwidth to handle 1080p 60fps, we have to
trust what Sony declares, and that is NO.

Due to lack of time, I am not planning to do with Sony what I did with
Brillian. I did it with them because they were unique (as HP) on the
1080p60fps input feature in their first generation, and also because they
were LCoS (you have to have a lot of guts to bet your house on building a
company around LCoS, considering the withdrawals over the last couple of
years, including Intel, Philips, Mitsubishi, etc). So they deserved all my
attention, and they had it, good people.

I wrote it also because people that know better deserve to have the full
true of it, not only a line on a spec pdf that some times is inaccurate,
although unfortunately accurate in your Sony case.

Regarding what you were told at the stores, they USUALLY do not know more
than the basic features.
Try to stretch them a bit and they do not even take the time to research
well to find the correct answer for you.

Do not take wrong, there are many good sales people out there that read and
invest personal time on knowing better for their customers, but I feel sorry
for consumers in that those sales people are the exception, even after 8
years of HDTV on the stores.

I was told by Sony that they can not even disclose if the replacement line
will be the slim line they introduced at the show; it is possible, but at
least I know they are considering the importance of 1080p.

Now, let us analyze this from another corner:

One thing that is giving a lot of clue is that their Blu-ray player is
UPCONVERTING everything to 1080p 60fps, now you tell me, what sort of
benefit a Sony consumer could see on having something like that on a hi-end
player when the same company produce only display devices that can not
receive it? We will know "officially" soon, but they are very reserved as
usual.

Regarding upgrades, they do it with a $30K projector (if you want to pay
another $3K), would they do it for a $4000 RPPT? Uhhm, this is so difficult
to guess !!

I would not count with a freebie upgrade of 1080p/60ps on DVI/HDMI inputs on
their $4K current sets, I doubt they would have implemented the current sets
with just software limitations and the HW is actually in place, if they
would have done that, they would have declared that a software upgrade for
that feature will become available long time ago, and certainly if I would
be Sony I would have announced that the minute the sets were released as a
future-proof sales speech nobody else could beat.

I do not see them sending service technicians to each home to change HW and
SW for just 1080p inputs, although who knows, and here is the final part of
the analysis:

They are willing to loose money on PS3s that would sell for half the price
of the stand-alone player, the upgrade TV move might be a good back up plan
strategy to facilitate the dominance of Blu-ray, in other words: "give
consumers also 1080p input capabilities on their sets before they switch to
HD DVD in despair", a feature that Toshiba HD DVD ignores blatantly on their
first version.

Actions like this could help tilt the balance in the middle of a war that
could last a year before one of them calls it quits, the first version could
be the one that decides format dominance, Toshiba HD DVD made its first move
without 1080p outputs, and their TVs do not even support 1080p inputs as
well, and will not in 2006, as yet announced.

What I meant is an strategy could be "give ALL of the Sony display owners
1080p inputs on current sets and Blu-ray would have gained an immediate
large supporting crowd of existing and future Sony owners, not to mention
hard-core PS3 gamers on all ages."

We will have to wait a bit until they make their next move to hint the
direction for their Spring announcement.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Michael Iantosca
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I have had the 65" HP for about 3 weeks now and I am wafting for a
replacement set which should come on Monday. The screen has black specks
which look like dirt somewhere in the projection path. I a hoping for a good
set on Monday. If it isn't I will returning it for a full refund and waiting
for the Sony KDS-R60XBR1 with 1080P inputs.

An interesting thing - I spoke with Tweeter Etc. today about the Sony and
they told me it accepts 1080P on HDMI1 (not 2). He also told me that Sony
had sent a 1080P demo loop to display on the TV.

So then I called Sony Style and asked them to confirm and they told me both
accept 1080P. The person I spoke too I knew was clueless.

So I downloaded the PDF version of the owners manual from Amazon.com and
looked in the specs section - it clearly states the HDMI inputs only accept
up to 1080i

Does anyone know when the Sony will truly accept 1080P or if there will be
an upgrade kit for the current sets?

Thanks
Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dr
Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:15 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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At 07:05 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert,
>Good for you!!! I hope the replacement set is ok, but I agree with you
>in that I would wait for the SXRD with a 1080P input if the HP
>replacement set is bad.

Bob,

I'm happy to report that the replacement HP MD5880n arrived late yesterday
and my initial impressions are that it is working just fine! Not only does
it not exhibit the major problems my original set had, but it also appears
to be free of the relatively minor issues being talked about on the various
message boards on the internet. No pincushioning problems, no hiss from the
speakers, no noisy color wheel, etc. While my fingers are still crossed I'm
pleased to be seeing some great pictures from all my HD Dish channels. Some
of the stations (Equator, DiscoveryHD and even
HDNews) look stunning. The picture far surpasses my Panasonic 37"
Plasma and the 720p Runco on the large (110") Stewart Screen. As good as HD
looks on the latter two sources, the HP truly looks like a window to the
world, if you get my analogy.

Over the next few days I'll be rewiring my complete setup in the HT to
incorporate my new DVDO iScan VP30. While I purchased this mainly to use as
a distribution hub for all my video sources (I still prefer to pass all
audio through my Lexicon MC-8 as this avoids any HDMI audio issues) I'm
planning on feeding 1080p to my new HP and 720p
into my Runco. I'm anxious to see how all the source material
looks when fed into each unit at it's native resolution. Without the 1080p
input capability on the HP I wouldn't have been able to use this approach.

Finally, even though I'm and "old guy" I still consider myself a gamer so
the 1080p input ability of the HP is attractive in that regard as well. I'm
taking delivery of a new laptop with DVI output (Dell M170) and I look
forward to also using the HP as a computer monitor at times as well.

Bring on Blu-ray!


-- RAF


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#20
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Again - thanks for your thoughtful comments.

I guess waiting another 9 months for the TV I really want is worth it. I
hope they announce that their current line will start shipping with 1080P
inputs as maybe an interim change before the "new" (maybe slimmer) models
come out so I don't have to wait until November

Based on last years introduction of the new sets in September - I am hopeful

As far as the salesman goes - I was going to gently tell him about what I
saw in the user manual - to hopefully spare other potential customers from
making an informed decision with faulty information.

Thanks
Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:46 AM
To: HDTV Magazine; [email protected]
Subject: RE: My choice

Michael,

Sony company announcements could run from March to June depending of the
year, but the products would most probably not become available until CEDIA
(September), at least, sometimes even later.

In other words, you are facing a minimum waiting of 9 months from now to
actually see a new set at a place you can order, however, the announcement
in Spring would give you at least an advance notice and will reveal if the
specs interest you for the waiting, but getting the set is another issue.

Most other major companies do the same, although I have seen Samsung doing
it 3 times in a year, imagine a cycle as short as 4 months discontinuation
periods.

I would suggest you not to enter in a knowledge competition with any sales
person that has already giving you negative signs regarding not being open
to learn, it could become nasty because they usually do not like to be
challenged in the sales floor when other customers come in and out the area
around your conversation.

But they still could perform a service to you if you want to buy, and make
sure you just wisely control the verbal exchanges to leave all the bad weed
information out of your ears, it could be confusing if you do not.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Michael Iantosca
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:06 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Hi Rodolfo,

Thank you so much for very detailed analysis. I think I am going to return
my HP and wait for a few months until I hear what is going on with Sony's
1080P inputs.

Is Sony's spring announcement usually in March?

I guess I will wheel by big 65" monster Mitz RPTV back into the family room
for another few months - my wife is going to love that - she was loving the
new HP and extra floor space it freed up.

I am going to Tweeter to see the Sony running on the test loop and ask the
salesman to take a look at the owners manual so he can see the 1080i
limitation for himself.

Thanks again
Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:03 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Michael,

Your question can not be responded with a flat YES or NO. You know what you
want, and you deserve analysis when the info is not 100% disclosed, so here
I go:

Sony declared at CES that they will announce the details of how these sets
will be replaced at their usual spring official company news release. 1080p
acceptance was discussed as an important issue, we talked long, but I never
was given the green light for official write-ups, so I do not want to create
a snow ball that will eventually hit in my nose.

Additionally I am still analyzing new material on all manufacturers, and I
got burn before with advancing too early, I do not want to make mistakes.
Besides, documents are very tricky, in some cases these "key features" are
sitting as "relatively unimportant" couple of words on a corner of 500-words
company papers.

Sony has never been easy to anticipate, but one thing is clear, they want to
have a complete 1080p loop of Blu-ray player/PS3 and capable display device.
They do have the Ruby front projector suited with 1080p inputs, and the
Qualia 004 (upgradeable when you sell the car).

Without doing a dedicated lab test to actually see what version of the HDMI
chip they used (not what the AVS forum says they used), and without getting
down to the absolute true if their design after the HDMI receiver is able or
not to work with high enough bandwidth to handle 1080p 60fps, we have to
trust what Sony declares, and that is NO.

Due to lack of time, I am not planning to do with Sony what I did with
Brillian. I did it with them because they were unique (as HP) on the
1080p60fps input feature in their first generation, and also because they
were LCoS (you have to have a lot of guts to bet your house on building a
company around LCoS, considering the withdrawals over the last couple of
years, including Intel, Philips, Mitsubishi, etc). So they deserved all my
attention, and they had it, good people.

I wrote it also because people that know better deserve to have the full
true of it, not only a line on a spec pdf that some times is inaccurate,
although unfortunately accurate in your Sony case.

Regarding what you were told at the stores, they USUALLY do not know more
than the basic features.
Try to stretch them a bit and they do not even take the time to research
well to find the correct answer for you.

Do not take wrong, there are many good sales people out there that read and
invest personal time on knowing better for their customers, but I feel sorry
for consumers in that those sales people are the exception, even after 8
years of HDTV on the stores.

I was told by Sony that they can not even disclose if the replacement line
will be the slim line they introduced at the show; it is possible, but at
least I know they are considering the importance of 1080p.

Now, let us analyze this from another corner:

One thing that is giving a lot of clue is that their Blu-ray player is
UPCONVERTING everything to 1080p 60fps, now you tell me, what sort of
benefit a Sony consumer could see on having something like that on a hi-end
player when the same company produce only display devices that can not
receive it? We will know "officially" soon, but they are very reserved as
usual.

Regarding upgrades, they do it with a $30K projector (if you want to pay
another $3K), would they do it for a $4000 RPPT? Uhhm, this is so difficult
to guess !!

I would not count with a freebie upgrade of 1080p/60ps on DVI/HDMI inputs on
their $4K current sets, I doubt they would have implemented the current sets
with just software limitations and the HW is actually in place, if they
would have done that, they would have declared that a software upgrade for
that feature will become available long time ago, and certainly if I would
be Sony I would have announced that the minute the sets were released as a
future-proof sales speech nobody else could beat.

I do not see them sending service technicians to each home to change HW and
SW for just 1080p inputs, although who knows, and here is the final part of
the analysis:

They are willing to loose money on PS3s that would sell for half the price
of the stand-alone player, the upgrade TV move might be a good back up plan
strategy to facilitate the dominance of Blu-ray, in other words: "give
consumers also 1080p input capabilities on their sets before they switch to
HD DVD in despair", a feature that Toshiba HD DVD ignores blatantly on their
first version.

Actions like this could help tilt the balance in the middle of a war that
could last a year before one of them calls it quits, the first version could
be the one that decides format dominance, Toshiba HD DVD made its first move
without 1080p outputs, and their TVs do not even support 1080p inputs as
well, and will not in 2006, as yet announced.

What I meant is an strategy could be "give ALL of the Sony display owners
1080p inputs on current sets and Blu-ray would have gained an immediate
large supporting crowd of existing and future Sony owners, not to mention
hard-core PS3 gamers on all ages."

We will have to wait a bit until they make their next move to hint the
direction for their Spring announcement.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Michael Iantosca
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


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I have had the 65" HP for about 3 weeks now and I am wafting for a
replacement set which should come on Monday. The screen has black specks
which look like dirt somewhere in the projection path. I a hoping for a good
set on Monday. If it isn't I will returning it for a full refund and waiting
for the Sony KDS-R60XBR1 with 1080P inputs.

An interesting thing - I spoke with Tweeter Etc. today about the Sony and
they told me it accepts 1080P on HDMI1 (not 2). He also told me that Sony
had sent a 1080P demo loop to display on the TV.

So then I called Sony Style and asked them to confirm and they told me both
accept 1080P. The person I spoke too I knew was clueless.

So I downloaded the PDF version of the owners manual from Amazon.com and
looked in the specs section - it clearly states the HDMI inputs only accept
up to 1080i

Does anyone know when the Sony will truly accept 1080P or if there will be
an upgrade kit for the current sets?

Thanks
Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Dr
Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:15 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

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At 07:05 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert,
>Good for you!!! I hope the replacement set is ok, but I agree with you
>in that I would wait for the SXRD with a 1080P input if the HP
>replacement set is bad.

Bob,

I'm happy to report that the replacement HP MD5880n arrived late yesterday
and my initial impressions are that it is working just fine! Not only does
it not exhibit the major problems my original set had, but it also appears
to be free of the relatively minor issues being talked about on the various
message boards on the internet. No pincushioning problems, no hiss from the
speakers, no noisy color wheel, etc. While my fingers are still crossed I'm
pleased to be seeing some great pictures from all my HD Dish channels. Some
of the stations (Equator, DiscoveryHD and even
HDNews) look stunning. The picture far surpasses my Panasonic 37"
Plasma and the 720p Runco on the large (110") Stewart Screen. As good as HD
looks on the latter two sources, the HP truly looks like a window to the
world, if you get my analogy.

Over the next few days I'll be rewiring my complete setup in the HT to
incorporate my new DVDO iScan VP30. While I purchased this mainly to use as
a distribution hub for all my video sources (I still prefer to pass all
audio through my Lexicon MC-8 as this avoids any HDMI audio issues) I'm
planning on feeding 1080p to my new HP and 720p
into my Runco. I'm anxious to see how all the source material
looks when fed into each unit at it's native resolution. Without the 1080p
input capability on the HP I wouldn't have been able to use this approach.

Finally, even though I'm and "old guy" I still consider myself a gamer so
the 1080p input ability of the HP is attractive in that regard as well. I'm
taking delivery of a new laptop with DVI output (Dell M170) and I look
forward to also using the HP as a computer monitor at times as well.

Bring on Blu-ray!


-- RAF


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Rodolfo scores another 5-Star Rating! .....
In addition to sharing his extensive knowledge and
experience with TIPS Subscribers, even in the
midst of compiling his reknown, and exhaustive,
Annual Report - an incredibly time-consuming feat
in itself! - his sage counseling clearly shows the
importance of applying "wisdom" to knowledge.

Rodolfo's admonition: "... not to enter in a
knowledge competition with any sales person that
has already (given) you negative signs regarding
not being open to learn..." demonstrates a
remarkable personal restraint. It is a
magnificent illustration of "character-strength"
which derives from Wisdom.

Who among us, when confronted by this
"all-too-familiar" example of today's "Electronics
Retail Sales Associates," would not be more
inclined to exhibit the more dramatic reaction of
"engagement"?
To do so, while for the most part quite
justified - in contesting the continuing, rampant
spread of "Mis/Dis-Information" concerning the
basic elements of Digital-HDTV, (as well as, "The
Digital TV Transition") would most likely prove a
futile exercise.

Rodolfo - I salute you - for your dedication in
the pursuit of "Quality" as a tireless advocate
for HDTV;
but even more, for your selfless willingness to
share, instruct, teach, explain. For bringing
enlightenment
to many who stumble in the darkness. For
counseling in wisdom, rather than standing aloof
in your knowledge... For lighting a candle ...
when many only curse the darkness!

Thanks Rodolfo!



Bob C

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http://HDTVInfoPort.com
HDTV Demystified!


----- Original Message -----
From: Rodolfo La Maestra
To: HDTV Magazine
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: My choice


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Michael,

Sony company announcements could run from March to
June depending of the year, but the products
would most probably not become available until
CEDIA (September), at least, sometimes even later.

In other words, you are facing a minimum waiting
of 9 months from now to actually see a new set at
a
place you can order, however, the announcement in
Spring would give you at least an advance notice
and will reveal if the specs interest you for the
waiting, but getting the set is another issue.

Most other major companies do the same, although I
have seen Samsung doing it 3 times in a year,
imagine a cycle as short as 4 months
discontinuation periods.

I would suggest you not to enter in a knowledge
competition with any sales person that has already
giving you negative signs regarding not being open
to learn, it could become nasty because they
usually do not like to be challenged in the sales
floor when other customers come in and out the
area around your conversation.

But they still could perform a service to you if
you want to buy, and make sure you just wisely
control the verbal exchanges to leave all the bad
weed information out of your ears, it could be
confusing if you do not.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine
On Behalf
Of
Michael Iantosca
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:06 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Hi Rodolfo,

Thank you so much for very detailed analysis. I
think I am going to return
my HP and wait for a few months until I hear what
is going on with Sony's
1080P inputs.

Is Sony's spring announcement usually in March?

I guess I will wheel by big 65" monster Mitz RPTV
back into the family room
for another few months - my wife is going to love
that - she was loving the
new HP and extra floor space it freed up.

I am going to Tweeter to see the Sony running on
the test loop and ask the
salesman to take a look at the owners manual so he
can see the 1080i
limitation for himself.

Thanks again
Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine
On Behalf
Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:03 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Michael,

Your question can not be responded with a flat YES
or NO. You know what you
want, and you deserve analysis when the info is
not 100% disclosed, so here
I go:

Sony declared at CES that they will announce the
details of how these sets
will be replaced at their usual spring official
company news release. 1080p
acceptance was discussed as an important issue, we
talked long, but I never
was given the green light for official write-ups,
so I do not want to create
a snow ball that will eventually hit in my nose.

Additionally I am still analyzing new material on
all manufacturers, and I
got burn before with advancing too early, I do not
want to make mistakes.
Besides, documents are very tricky, in some cases
these "key features" are
sitting as "relatively unimportant" couple of
words on a corner of 500-words
company papers.

Sony has never been easy to anticipate, but one
thing is clear, they want to
have a complete 1080p loop of Blu-ray player/PS3
and capable display device.
They do have the Ruby front projector suited with
1080p inputs, and the
Qualia 004 (upgradeable when you sell the car).

Without doing a dedicated lab test to actually see
what version of the HDMI
chip they used (not what the AVS forum says they
used), and without getting
down to the absolute true if their design after
the HDMI receiver is able or
not to work with high enough bandwidth to handle
1080p 60fps, we have to
trust what Sony declares, and that is NO.

Due to lack of time, I am not planning to do with
Sony what I did with
Brillian. I did it with them because they were
unique (as HP) on the
1080p60fps input feature in their first
generation, and also because they
were LCoS (you have to have a lot of guts to bet
your house on building a
company around LCoS, considering the withdrawals
over the last couple of
years, including Intel, Philips, Mitsubishi, etc).
So they deserved all my
attention, and they had it, good people.

I wrote it also because people that know better
deserve to have the full
true of it, not only a line on a spec pdf that
some times is inaccurate,
although unfortunately accurate in your Sony case.

Regarding what you were told at the stores, they
USUALLY do not know more
than the basic features.
Try to stretch them a bit and they do not even
take the time to research
well to find the correct answer for you.

Do not take wrong, there are many good sales
people out there that read and
invest personal time on knowing better for their
customers, but I feel sorry
for consumers in that those sales people are the
exception, even after 8
years of HDTV on the stores.

I was told by Sony that they can not even disclose
if the replacement line
will be the slim line they introduced at the show;
it is possible, but at
least I know they are considering the importance
of 1080p.

Now, let us analyze this from another corner:

One thing that is giving a lot of clue is that
their Blu-ray player is
UPCONVERTING everything to 1080p 60fps, now you
tell me, what sort of
benefit a Sony consumer could see on having
something like that on a hi-end
player when the same company produce only display
devices that can not
receive it? We will know "officially" soon, but
they are very reserved as
usual.

Regarding upgrades, they do it with a $30K
projector (if you want to pay
another $3K), would they do it for a $4000 RPPT?
Uhhm, this is so difficult
to guess !!

I would not count with a freebie upgrade of
1080p/60ps on DVI/HDMI inputs on
their $4K current sets, I doubt they would have
implemented the current sets
with just software limitations and the HW is
actually in place, if they
would have done that, they would have declared
that a software upgrade for
that feature will become available long time ago,
and certainly if I would
be Sony I would have announced that the minute the
sets were released as a
future-proof sales speech nobody else could beat.

I do not see them sending service technicians to
each home to change HW and
SW for just 1080p inputs, although who knows, and
here is the final part of
the analysis:

They are willing to loose money on PS3s that would
sell for half the price
of the stand-alone player, the upgrade TV move
might be a good back up plan
strategy to facilitate the dominance of Blu-ray,
in other words: "give
consumers also 1080p input capabilities on their
sets before they switch to
HD DVD in despair", a feature that Toshiba HD DVD
ignores blatantly on their
first version.

Actions like this could help tilt the balance in
the middle of a war that
could last a year before one of them calls it
quits, the first version could
be the one that decides format dominance, Toshiba
HD DVD made its first move
without 1080p outputs, and their TVs do not even
support 1080p inputs as
well, and will not in 2006, as yet announced.

What I meant is an strategy could be "give ALL of
the Sony display owners
1080p inputs on current sets and Blu-ray would
have gained an immediate
large supporting crowd of existing and future Sony
owners, not to mention
hard-core PS3 gamers on all ages."

We will have to wait a bit until they make their
next move to hint the
direction for their Spring announcement.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine
On Behalf
Of
Michael Iantosca
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I have had the 65" HP for about 3 weeks now and I
am wafting for a
replacement set which should come on Monday. The
screen has black specks
which look like dirt somewhere in the projection
path. I a hoping for a good
set on Monday. If it isn't I will returning it for
a full refund and waiting
for the Sony KDS-R60XBR1 with 1080P inputs.

An interesting thing - I spoke with Tweeter Etc.
today about the Sony and
they told me it accepts 1080P on HDMI1 (not 2). He
also told me that Sony
had sent a 1080P demo loop to display on the TV.

So then I called Sony Style and asked them to
confirm and they told me both
accept 1080P. The person I spoke too I knew was
clueless.

So I downloaded the PDF version of the owners
manual from Amazon.com and
looked in the specs section - it clearly states
the HDMI inputs only accept
up to 1080i

Does anyone know when the Sony will truly accept
1080P or if there will be
an upgrade kit for the current sets?

Thanks
Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine
On Behalf
Of Dr
Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:15 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: My choice

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

At 07:05 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert,
>Good for you!!! I hope the replacement set is
>ok, but I agree with you
>in that I would wait for the SXRD with a 1080P
>input if the HP
>replacement set is bad.

Bob,

I'm happy to report that the replacement HP
MD5880n arrived late yesterday
and my initial impressions are that it is working
just fine! Not only does
it not exhibit the major problems my original set
had, but it also appears
to be free of the relatively minor issues being
talked about on the various
message boards on the internet. No pincushioning
problems, no hiss from the
speakers, no noisy color wheel, etc. While my
fingers are still crossed I'm
pleased to be seeing some great pictures from all
my HD Dish channels. Some
of the stations (Equator, DiscoveryHD and even
HDNews) look stunning. The picture far surpasses
my Panasonic 37"
Plasma and the 720p Runco on the large (110")
Stewart Screen. As good as HD
looks on the latter two sources, the HP truly
looks like a window to the
world, if you get my analogy.

Over the next few days I'll be rewiring my
complete setup in the HT to
incorporate my new DVDO iScan VP30. While I
purchased this mainly to use as
a distribution hub for all my video sources (I
still prefer to pass all
audio through my Lexicon MC-8 as this avoids any
HDMI audio issues) I'm
planning on feeding 1080p to my new HP and 720p
into my Runco. I'm anxious to see how all the
source material
looks when fed into each unit at it's native
resolution. Without the 1080p
input capability on the HP I wouldn't have been
able to use this approach.

Finally, even though I'm and "old guy" I still
consider myself a gamer so
the 1080p input ability of the HP is attractive in
that regard as well. I'm
taking delivery of a new laptop with DVI output
(Dell M170) and I look
forward to also using the HP as a computer monitor
at times as well.

Bring on Blu-ray!


-- RAF


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