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Richard,
Coming back to you on this matter of 24fps on 1080p on these Toshiba
players.
After discussing again with two Toshiba high-ranking representatives I got
the same official response regarding no plans for 24fps on these two 1080p
players, this is one of the feedback messages:
"I cannot officially comment on if and/or when such products might support
24P, nor can I comment on whether other models might be introduced that do
support such a feature"
In other words, if there were any plans they are not official, my gut
feeling is that they might be forced to do something to be competitive on
that area, but it is up to each individual reader to trust Toshiba on
unofficial promises.
Our position representing the HDTV magazine must be not to mislead with
unofficial claims, or to allow for the public to be mislead using our own
channels of communication without proper clarification, an activity that
could cause consumer loses when their purchases are based in unofficial
information.
Again, I really hope the 24fps feature is implemented, but our official
position for now should be to be cautious until Toshiba officially announces
the feature.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 5:01 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
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Richard,
Mark Knox, the person in charge of the HD VD promotion group, also told me
that he did not hear about any plans for 24fps from Toshiba, the person in
charge of the press presentation and HD DVD demo at CES also told me the
same after we killed the subject for a long meeting, Toshiba's Group manager
at CES also confirmed the same after my insistence, I can not say that this
is a problem of management down, do I have to go to the EVP?
Because of this exchange, I asked Toshiba to provide me with a written
confirmation of the subject.
However, the readers of this thread should read carefully how both positions
were presented here.
These people are assuring that there is a plan; I am just saying "be
cautious" (the exact words I used when I started my response). I never said
they are wrong or uninformed but anything is possible.
I have a responsibility to inform what I know as accurately as possible,
with my analysis, no misleading, no agenda, no misrepresentation to make
people buy a product that could not be backed up later by contradicted
plans.
The way I see it is very simple:
If the buyer does not have a way to use the 24fps output (most of the
people) then this thread is not for that person, so why argue.
If the buyer has the system to put the 24fps feature to work in their
benefit then that person has at least 3 options within the next two months:
A) Buy Blu-ray (Sony, Pioneer), from $1000 up MSRP, now.
B) Buy the LG combo HD-DVD / Blu-ray player for $1,200 MSRP, Feb 07.
C) Buy the Toshiba HD-DVD for $1000 MSRP, and trust that their contradictory
statements (management and technical statements) would end up in a later
24fps upgrade.
The first two are assured, the investment is safe for that 24fps feature,
the third option is not assured until Toshiba actually releases a viable
upgrade, if they ever do, that is why I am saying "be cautious", I am not
saying "do not buy", and more importantly, who is going to take
responsibility if those buyers never get the upgrade?
That is the major difference on this exchange. I do not trust ANY plans of
ANY manufacturer until they are actually done, and that is the way we should
maintain the exchange, rather than assuring readers something that is not
there and is not under the control of the person to make the upgrade or
compensate buyers if the upgrade never happens.
Regardless of what Toshiba confirms after my request, my statements are
still valid because one should always be "cautious" with promises,
especially after investing $1000 with that hope, especially when
contradictory statements are fed to consumers and the press.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard Fisher
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:24 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
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"Toshiba's 1080p 24 Hz commitment to me is 100% solid. You can count on
it."
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6873
Why oh why is Toshiba being so wishy washy in their ranks? Seems like
this element may be from the top on down...
Either it will or it will not!
Richard Fisher
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Publisher
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Richard,
>
> When Toshiba said the 24fps was to be added?
>
> There might be no denying.
>
> The blog does not seem as coming from a direct conversation with Toshiba
or
> from a press conference, with the names of authorized official
> representatives (to speak for the company) providing an official
statement.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:57 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD
Player
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thanks Rodolfo...
>
> Interesting how these things are said and then denied...
>
>
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6873
>
> the first post is a news link about the inclusion of Deep Color AND 24
> frames...
>
> Richard Fisher
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> Publisher
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
>
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>>
>>Regarding the 24fps subject of the two Toshiba players, I confirm my
>>statements below after further discussions with Toshiba at CES.
>>
>>The 2nd generation unit that is already out would do 1080p but not 24fps.
>>There is no plan to upgrade the unit. There was no statement if such
>>upgrade, if it ever happens, would be HS or SW only, not even
>
> unofficially,
>
>>and believe me, I wasted 1 hr at their booth (with Andy from this list,
>>great to see you Andy), went to 3 levels of technical support to make
>>absolutely sure we have no surprises or misunderstandings.
>>
>>The unit that is planned for spring will have 1080p outputs, but as of now
>>there is no 24fps functionality on it, Toshiba declared that the complete
>>spec was not finalized yet, and it "might" happen that such feature be
>
> added
>
>>before the unit is out (but that was said as a shot from the hip after my
>>insistence of outputting the exact format recorded on the HD-DVD for film
>>content).
>>
>>I assume that if enough pressure from consumers is made to include such
>>feature, in addition to the pressure of Blu-ray already having it, could
>>make Toshiba change their mind; it happened before with other
>
> manufacturers.
>
>>Sorry for the bad news to those looking for 24fps for the purity of
>>reproduction of film content, but is better to know well, than to guess,
>>buy, wait and be disappointed later.
>>
>>We are wrapping CES in a couple of hours so I have to move on.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>
>>P.S. Richard you can publish these statements on the forum thread for this
>>subject if you like.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>Rodolfo La Maestra
>>Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:17 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD
>
> Player
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>I would be cautious with this new Toshiba player if anyone really needs
>>1080p 24fps.
>>
>>On a meeting tonight Toshiba did not assure me that the unit would be
>>firmware upgradeable after I pointed the flaw to them on their press
>>presentation.
>>
>>They were reluctant to disclose or advance any information regarding
>
> 24fps,
>
>>they did not want to commit an official word that such feature would
>>actually be firmware upgrade, or if they were expecting consumers to wait
>>for the 3rd gen player.
>>
>>That reaction is sufficient to make me look somewhere else if I would
>
> still
>
>>be looking for a player with 24fps, and not run the risk of assuming the
>>best.
>>
>>It would have not taken more than a couple of words on the press release
>>stating that the misleading 1080p spec meant only 60fps, and informing of
>>the possibility of a near future 24fps firmware upgrade, but nothing was
>>said in written not verbally, and the response to my inquire was evasive,
>>which gave me the answer itself.
>>
>>I had a long discussion with the Toshiba person in charge of the technical
>>presentation, and he agreed with me on the subject but he admitted that
>>Toshiba did not seem to listen or care for the subject, he confessed that
>
> he
>
>>ran 24fps obtained from telecined flagged HD DVDs by the VP50, which got
>
> rid
>
>>of the extra fields, he did that to show how better is 24fps than anything
>>else, side by side on the CES truck.
>>
>>He said that it was easy by the scaler because all HD DVD film based
>
> movies
>
>>so far have consistently used the telecine flag and the VP50 scaler did
>
> not
>
>>have to do much work to remove the fields added by the player, looking for
>>the flag, rather than detecting the film cadence (when flag presence is
>>erratic). He agreed with me that such extra video processing was better
>
> to
>
>>be avoided for the signal to be cleaner if the player would output 24fps
>>like Blu-ray.
>>
>>Such overlook, intentional or not, when they had the opportunity to
>>incorporate 1080p outputs correctly on a second generation, and with the
>>time to do it, and under the competitive pressure of Blu-ray having such
>>feature, is enough for me to ignore Toshiba all together until further
>>notice.
>>
>>Now, for people not interested on 24fps, Toshiba is still a good
>
> alternative
>
>>specially at the price.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>>HDTV Magazine
>>Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:32 AM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>A new bulletin has been posted to the HDTV Magazine website:
>>
>>Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
>>by Shane Sturgeon
>>
>>Excerpt:
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>At CES, Toshiba is introducing the new HD-A20, which is expected to retail
>>at $599.99. With the 1080p capabilities of the HD-A20, Toshiba has taken
>>high definition to the next level at an attractive price point. The HD-A20
>>joins the existing Toshiba HD DVD line-up which includes the entry level
>>HD-A2 and the top of the line model, HD-XA2. This expanded line of
>
> products
>
>>offers...
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>Full Bulletin:
>>http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/news/2007/01/toshiba_announc_1.php
>>
>>Enjoy,
>>
>>-- Dale & Shane
>>HDTV Magazine
>>
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