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Yes, I know it is quite apparent. What I meant was it would not be
noticeable to the people who listen to MP3 players all the time. And they
are the ones who buy in volume. The separate formats was a huge problem but
even with just one format I think it would be for a very selective audience.
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tilghman" <
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To: "HDTV Magazine" <
[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: No 1080P on Blu-Ray
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" When you listen to either DVD A or SACD on a good system, the
difference is quite apparent."
Yes it is Hugh, although a lot of SACDs are only 2 channel. One big problem
was the competing formats - Beatles on one and Stones on the other, for
example. And just try to find the available discs in the stores. What a
mess.
Bill T.
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:06 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: No 1080P on Blu-Ray
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Hugh,
I agree with your assessment of the situation with the windfall for the
studios with regards to High resolution DVD's. I must say though that I
disagree that the difference in High resolution audio is only slight. When
you listen to either DVD A or SACD on a good system, the difference is quite
apparent.
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Hugh Campbell
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:40 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: No 1080P on Blu-Ray
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Just an opinion but I don't think high def. will fail. It is not like
DVD-Audio or SACD where the difference is so slight that almost no one could
hear the difference between either one and a standard CD. Today's buyers of
CD's, the ones sellers like to cultivate, are used to listening to MP3.
Movie makers stand to make too much money off the sale of high def. DVD's to
allow it to fail. It may take longer but I think it will happen. As long
as the software is plentiful it will succeed.
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tilghman" <
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To: "HDTV Magazine" <
[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: No 1080P on Blu-Ray
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" It sure sounds like 1080P DVD players as well as displays are still a
ways off."
Again (IMO), high-def DVD is unfortunately going to fail, at least in the
short run. These mega-corporations are blowing it big time, and killing the
second coming of the golden goose. And we're the real losers. WHAT A SHAME.
Bill T.
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:54 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: No 1080P on Blu-Ray
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Rodolfo,
As always Rodolfo ever flowing with up to date and accurate info.
It sure sounds like 1080P DVD players as well as displays are still a ways
off.
Can't wait to read your 200 page elephant!
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:42 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: No 1080P on Blu-Ray
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Thanks Jeff for searching the response that I issued earlier for a similar
question, it really
helps.
In general the information still valid.
However, there was another Tip email I sent shortly after about the HD DVD
format, I found that the
RCA player was quoted as having 1080p output, for about $500 I believe. The
spec did not say if
there will be a menu option to directly out 24fps from film based content,
or everything will be
converted to 60p, as the Sony does.
People that use projectors most probably have 1080p inputs, and have 1080p
good quality scalers, and
if I would be one of them I would rather have the option of the player
outputting 24fps or 60fps
(internally converting the 24fps with 3:2 pulldown for the 60fps), because
the scaler or the
projector could do a better job now that everything is kept in the digital
domain with HDMI cabling.
With component analog it was an issue of several D/A and A/D conversions
that could counteract the
benefit of having an external unit doing the job, not anymore with HDMI.
We have to see the RCA unit when out, but if money is no object and 1080p is
important I would wait
a bit longer and get a Blu-ray Pioneer Elite with 24fps output, or a Sony
with 60fps output (even
when there might not be a menu option for 24fps). Both companies would be
under pressure to bring
down their prices to be competitive to HD DVD, and to the give away of PS3.
That unless you want Taiwan's FVD for $250, 1080p output, red laser using
WM9 codec, $6 per movie,
720p /1080i/p recorded content and output, 30 companies, target of 100
titles from independent and
some major labels, and 3 million players planned output for 2006 (including
US and Europe), 1080i
OVER COMPONENT ANALOG (they use their own copy protection, not AACS).
Wait a bit longer for my report coming out in a few days. The FVD team
seemed to be good people at
my meetings, seemed very organized, more down the earth than the other 3 hi
Def DVD Chinese formats
because FVD recognized the need of appealing and protected content with good
titles not just a low
cost player. A full article is coming later.
Important for 1080p players people, if looking for a good 1080p scaler, make
sure it passes-thru
1080p INTACT (the 1080p signal coming from the Hi Def DVD player MUST not be
touched, unless there
is a need to change the 1080p frame rate (24fps player to an incompatible
60fps 1080p TV input).
Some bring down that 1080p input to a limited 1080i internal circuitry
limited bandwidth, and up
again for the p output. Check also the Sil HDMI chip model # to make sure
is not old (I have them
all on my reports), the HDMI spec was always 1080p since day one, chips are
another story and almost
all the manufacturers keep blaming HDMI spec for not having 1080p because
version 1.3 is not yet
out, baloney, is their TV or the cheap HDMI chip they used, not HDMI specs,
get the right chip and
voila, 1080p at the back panel.
I have to get back to my hole and finish this, I am close but the elephant
is about 200 pages this
year.
Thanks again Jeff, invaluable help.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jeff Odell
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:09 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: No 1080P on Blu-Ray
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I did a quick search of my Tips archive and found this CES report from
Rodolfo. I am pasting the relevant part below.
__________________________________
Begin Rodolfo qoute
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HD DVD zoo:
Toshiba announced $500 and $800 players: same performance, same
electronic design, same connections, no 1080p, no 1080i over analog
until DVD forum decides, $300 difference pays for remote/fancy
electronic front door/RS-232/cabinet isolated legs, finish, etc.
---------------------
Blu-ray zoo:
General $ range $1000
Pioneer Elite $1800,
outputs 1080p 24/60 fps and certainly 1080i 30 fps over HDMI
selectable from menu,
no 1394, RJ45 jack, no 1080i over analog component until Blu-ray
Association decides (allow me to rephrase that: until the MPAA member
of the Association decides),
black lacquer front as usual on Elite, DTS-HD and True DD,
multi-channel analog audio outputs, etc.
Info is sourced verbally at the booth, I have a recording to put all
pieces together later, and plan to contact Pioneer directly upon my
return, I do not trust anyone at CES unless is written.
Sony:
1080p 60 fps over HDMI (24fps converted to 60 within the player),
no 1080i over component analog until the Blu-ray Association decides.
Info from the booth, verbally and graphically, "1080p 60fps is confirmed".
PS3 will come out at a price range that might motivate Blu-ray
followers to avoid paying more for a stand-alone player, courtesy of
Sony's muscle that foots the loss (like Toshiba seems to foot theirs
with the $500 player).
--------------------
In other words, the main differentiators "on the recent announcements"
seem to be:
price muscling,
1080p handling,
30 day timing on arrival,
(and of course all the other known such as disc itself/capacity, etc.)
Pick your poison.
I believe that the market of FPTV HT buyers would go with Blu-ray due
to 1080p for better resolution on large screens and 1080p inputs on
their FP and because they usually invest well on better quality image,
HD DVD wants to muscle up the format with low prices.
_______________________________
So unless something has changed since January, it seems that Blu-Ray
will support 1080P outputs on at least a few players.
Jeff
On 2/24/06, Anthony Rizzuto <
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> Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,
> Sorry I haven't been as active as I had been in the past. Some of you are
probably happy about
that!
. That will change soon. I just got off the phone with a good
friend who works at LMG which
is one of the largest av companies in the country, he said that a good
friend of his read in a
projector mag yesterday (I'll provide the name of the publication tomorrow,
he's left for the day)
that Blu-Ray is not going to offer 1080P. Perhaps this has already been a
topic of discussion and I
missed it. If so I can only blame my Yahoo account as I'm not sure how much
of the tips list I am
getting. If this does in fact prove to be true, then to me it's a no brainer
> Toshiba wins hands down and we end up with VHS instead of Beta again.
Curious if anyone else has
heard about this.
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
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