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Ya know, I should have suggested you corner Sony and the PS3 on this 24
frame issue... that is another PROMISED feature but can't say that came
from an official press release...
I hope someone can porve it is official...
Richard Fisher
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Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
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>
> Regarding the 24fps subject of the two Toshiba players, I confirm my
> statements below after further discussions with Toshiba at CES.
>
> The 2nd generation unit that is already out would do 1080p but not 24fps.
> There is no plan to upgrade the unit. There was no statement if such
> upgrade, if it ever happens, would be HS or SW only, not even unofficially,
> and believe me, I wasted 1 hr at their booth (with Andy from this list,
> great to see you Andy), went to 3 levels of technical support to make
> absolutely sure we have no surprises or misunderstandings.
>
> The unit that is planned for spring will have 1080p outputs, but as of now
> there is no 24fps functionality on it, Toshiba declared that the complete
> spec was not finalized yet, and it "might" happen that such feature be added
> before the unit is out (but that was said as a shot from the hip after my
> insistence of outputting the exact format recorded on the HD-DVD for film
> content).
>
> I assume that if enough pressure from consumers is made to include such
> feature, in addition to the pressure of Blu-ray already having it, could
> make Toshiba change their mind; it happened before with other manufacturers.
>
> Sorry for the bad news to those looking for 24fps for the purity of
> reproduction of film content, but is better to know well, than to guess,
> buy, wait and be disappointed later.
>
> We are wrapping CES in a couple of hours so I have to move on.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> P.S. Richard you can publish these statements on the forum thread for this
> subject if you like.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Rodolfo La Maestra
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:17 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
>
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>
> I would be cautious with this new Toshiba player if anyone really needs
> 1080p 24fps.
>
> On a meeting tonight Toshiba did not assure me that the unit would be
> firmware upgradeable after I pointed the flaw to them on their press
> presentation.
>
> They were reluctant to disclose or advance any information regarding 24fps,
> they did not want to commit an official word that such feature would
> actually be firmware upgrade, or if they were expecting consumers to wait
> for the 3rd gen player.
>
> That reaction is sufficient to make me look somewhere else if I would still
> be looking for a player with 24fps, and not run the risk of assuming the
> best.
>
> It would have not taken more than a couple of words on the press release
> stating that the misleading 1080p spec meant only 60fps, and informing of
> the possibility of a near future 24fps firmware upgrade, but nothing was
> said in written not verbally, and the response to my inquire was evasive,
> which gave me the answer itself.
>
> I had a long discussion with the Toshiba person in charge of the technical
> presentation, and he agreed with me on the subject but he admitted that
> Toshiba did not seem to listen or care for the subject, he confessed that he
> ran 24fps obtained from telecined flagged HD DVDs by the VP50, which got rid
> of the extra fields, he did that to show how better is 24fps than anything
> else, side by side on the CES truck.
>
> He said that it was easy by the scaler because all HD DVD film based movies
> so far have consistently used the telecine flag and the VP50 scaler did not
> have to do much work to remove the fields added by the player, looking for
> the flag, rather than detecting the film cadence (when flag presence is
> erratic). He agreed with me that such extra video processing was better to
> be avoided for the signal to be cleaner if the player would output 24fps
> like Blu-ray.
>
> Such overlook, intentional or not, when they had the opportunity to
> incorporate 1080p outputs correctly on a second generation, and with the
> time to do it, and under the competitive pressure of Blu-ray having such
> feature, is enough for me to ignore Toshiba all together until further
> notice.
>
> Now, for people not interested on 24fps, Toshiba is still a good alternative
> specially at the price.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> HDTV Magazine
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:32 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
>
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>
> Hello,
>
> A new bulletin has been posted to the HDTV Magazine website:
>
> Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
> by Shane Sturgeon
>
> Excerpt:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> At CES, Toshiba is introducing the new HD-A20, which is expected to retail
> at $599.99. With the 1080p capabilities of the HD-A20, Toshiba has taken
> high definition to the next level at an attractive price point. The HD-A20
> joins the existing Toshiba HD DVD line-up which includes the entry level
> HD-A2 and the top of the line model, HD-XA2. This expanded line of products
> offers...
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Full Bulletin:
> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/news/2007/0 ... ounc_1.php
>
> Enjoy,
>
> -- Dale & Shane
> HDTV Magazine
>
>
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Ya know, I should have suggested you corner Sony and the PS3 on this 24
frame issue... that is another PROMISED feature but can't say that came
from an official press release...
I hope someone can porve it is official...
Richard Fisher
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Regarding the 24fps subject of the two Toshiba players, I confirm my
> statements below after further discussions with Toshiba at CES.
>
> The 2nd generation unit that is already out would do 1080p but not 24fps.
> There is no plan to upgrade the unit. There was no statement if such
> upgrade, if it ever happens, would be HS or SW only, not even unofficially,
> and believe me, I wasted 1 hr at their booth (with Andy from this list,
> great to see you Andy), went to 3 levels of technical support to make
> absolutely sure we have no surprises or misunderstandings.
>
> The unit that is planned for spring will have 1080p outputs, but as of now
> there is no 24fps functionality on it, Toshiba declared that the complete
> spec was not finalized yet, and it "might" happen that such feature be added
> before the unit is out (but that was said as a shot from the hip after my
> insistence of outputting the exact format recorded on the HD-DVD for film
> content).
>
> I assume that if enough pressure from consumers is made to include such
> feature, in addition to the pressure of Blu-ray already having it, could
> make Toshiba change their mind; it happened before with other manufacturers.
>
> Sorry for the bad news to those looking for 24fps for the purity of
> reproduction of film content, but is better to know well, than to guess,
> buy, wait and be disappointed later.
>
> We are wrapping CES in a couple of hours so I have to move on.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> P.S. Richard you can publish these statements on the forum thread for this
> subject if you like.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Rodolfo La Maestra
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:17 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I would be cautious with this new Toshiba player if anyone really needs
> 1080p 24fps.
>
> On a meeting tonight Toshiba did not assure me that the unit would be
> firmware upgradeable after I pointed the flaw to them on their press
> presentation.
>
> They were reluctant to disclose or advance any information regarding 24fps,
> they did not want to commit an official word that such feature would
> actually be firmware upgrade, or if they were expecting consumers to wait
> for the 3rd gen player.
>
> That reaction is sufficient to make me look somewhere else if I would still
> be looking for a player with 24fps, and not run the risk of assuming the
> best.
>
> It would have not taken more than a couple of words on the press release
> stating that the misleading 1080p spec meant only 60fps, and informing of
> the possibility of a near future 24fps firmware upgrade, but nothing was
> said in written not verbally, and the response to my inquire was evasive,
> which gave me the answer itself.
>
> I had a long discussion with the Toshiba person in charge of the technical
> presentation, and he agreed with me on the subject but he admitted that
> Toshiba did not seem to listen or care for the subject, he confessed that he
> ran 24fps obtained from telecined flagged HD DVDs by the VP50, which got rid
> of the extra fields, he did that to show how better is 24fps than anything
> else, side by side on the CES truck.
>
> He said that it was easy by the scaler because all HD DVD film based movies
> so far have consistently used the telecine flag and the VP50 scaler did not
> have to do much work to remove the fields added by the player, looking for
> the flag, rather than detecting the film cadence (when flag presence is
> erratic). He agreed with me that such extra video processing was better to
> be avoided for the signal to be cleaner if the player would output 24fps
> like Blu-ray.
>
> Such overlook, intentional or not, when they had the opportunity to
> incorporate 1080p outputs correctly on a second generation, and with the
> time to do it, and under the competitive pressure of Blu-ray having such
> feature, is enough for me to ignore Toshiba all together until further
> notice.
>
> Now, for people not interested on 24fps, Toshiba is still a good alternative
> specially at the price.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> HDTV Magazine
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:32 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: News Bulletin: Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hello,
>
> A new bulletin has been posted to the HDTV Magazine website:
>
> Toshiba Announces Mid-range 1080p HD DVD Player
> by Shane Sturgeon
>
> Excerpt:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> At CES, Toshiba is introducing the new HD-A20, which is expected to retail
> at $599.99. With the 1080p capabilities of the HD-A20, Toshiba has taken
> high definition to the next level at an attractive price point. The HD-A20
> joins the existing Toshiba HD DVD line-up which includes the entry level
> HD-A2 and the top of the line model, HD-XA2. This expanded line of products
> offers...
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Full Bulletin:
> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/news/2007/0 ... ounc_1.php
>
> Enjoy,
>
> -- Dale & Shane
> HDTV Magazine
>
>
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