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#1 Jan 12, 2007 at 2:16 am

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Shane,

I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the fence as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software upgrades for display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average consumer. If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would have a very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting out in the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the television industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me. Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort food. You buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more until it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the blue collar world which is where many of my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly upgrade their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard. Just my two cents.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

----- Original Message ----
From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday

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I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4 cents
per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to have
one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.

Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
end-user speaking here...

Shane Sturgeon

Jason Burroughs wrote:
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>
> Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
> charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
> industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
> company information (although Philips developed an optional encryption
> method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
> locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
> It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
>
> Jason
>
> Shane Sturgeon wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
>> really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
>> 1.3 can't?
>>
>> Shane Sturgeon
>>
>>
>> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
>>> but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
>>> term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
>>> monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
>>> the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all the way
>>> up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
>>> really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation interface,
>>> but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
>>> acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
>>> 1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
>>> required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
>>> address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
>>> protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better support for
>>> multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital format to
>>> another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's easy
>>> to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
>>> converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major issues
>>> the come up will likely be more on the software side than hardware -
>>> as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
>>> anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
>>> monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
>>> 'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
>>> thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable box
>>> (for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
>>> protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as DVI
>>> and HDMI.
>>>
>>> Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
>>> into reality if needed!
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
>>>> say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all digital
>>>> video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
>>>> dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI, what
>>>> happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the article
>>>> in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
>>>> compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
>>>> there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
>>>> boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
>>>> technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
>>>> settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
>>>> driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
>>>> occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
>>>> with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
>>>> 2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
>>>> televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
>>>>
>>>> Anthony R.
>>>> Orlando, FL
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
>>>> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
>>>> HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
>>>> sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
>>>> especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
>>>>
>>>> Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
>>>>
>>>> I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say "wiki
>>>> it"!
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>> I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
>>>>> provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
>>>>> Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the journalist
>>>>> was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
>>>>> purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the purchase
>>>>> of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was quite
>>>>> possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI interface in
>>>>> favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
>>>>> alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
>>>>> effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
>>>>> comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony R.
>>>>> Orlando, FL
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#2 Jan 12, 2007 at 6:40 pm

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Wow... you hit that one on the head but...

I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...

Quote: Servicer not needed

We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25 years
and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things have
really changed for me.

It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
$500-$1500 more...

end quote.

So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort it sure
seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change quite a
bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.

Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the inability
to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing ourselves
in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that? On the
other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology? Based
on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you bet!
forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went from 16
bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it takes!
Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be deemed as
good enough.

I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya know, we
can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite young,
bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew remained
the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream as it is
our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant rising
tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
capitalist system.

We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.

Richard Fisher
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
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>
> Shane,
>
> I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the fence as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software upgrades for display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average consumer. If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would have a very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting out in the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the television industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me. Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort food. You buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more until it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the blue collar world which is where many of
my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly upgrade their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard. Just my two cents.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
> Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4 cents
> per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to have
> one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
>
> Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
> making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
> end-user speaking here...
>
> Shane Sturgeon
>
>
> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
>>charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
>>industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
>>company information (although Philips developed an optional encryption
>>method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
>>locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
>>It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>Shane Sturgeon wrote:
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
>>>really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
>>>1.3 can't?
>>>
>>>Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>Jason Burroughs wrote:
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
>>>>but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
>>>>term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
>>>>monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
>>>>the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all the way
>>>>up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
>>>>really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation interface,
>>>>but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
>>>>acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
>>>>1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
>>>>required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
>>>>address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
>>>>protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better support for
>>>>multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital format to
>>>>another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's easy
>>>>to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
>>>>converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major issues
>>>>the come up will likely be more on the software side than hardware -
>>>>as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
>>>>anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
>>>>monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
>>>>'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
>>>>thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable box
>>>>(for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
>>>>protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as DVI
>>>>and HDMI.
>>>>
>>>>Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
>>>>into reality if needed!
>>>>
>>>>Jason
>>>>
>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
>>>>>say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all digital
>>>>>video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
>>>>>dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI, what
>>>>>happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the article
>>>>>in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
>>>>>compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
>>>>>there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
>>>>>boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
>>>>>technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
>>>>>settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
>>>>>driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
>>>>>occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
>>>>>with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
>>>>>2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
>>>>>televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>>>From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
>>>>>To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
>>>>>HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
>>>>>sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
>>>>>especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
>>>>>
>>>>>Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
>>>>>
>>>>>I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say "wiki
>>>>>it"!
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
>>>>>>provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
>>>>>>Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the journalist
>>>>>>was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
>>>>>>purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the purchase
>>>>>>of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was quite
>>>>>>possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI interface in
>>>>>>favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
>>>>>>alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
>>>>>>effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
>>>>>>comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>>>
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#3 Jan 13, 2007 at 4:55 pm

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Where did they buy the TV?

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Richard,
>
> I quite agree with your assessment of our throwaway society.
>
> Problem is it makes manufactures think it's the right path....i.e....
>
> My parents are almost 80 years old.... they finally made the plunge with a
> Mitsubishi DLP HDTV.
>
> After less than one year old it required almost $800 worth of repairs!
>
> My mom wrote a letter to Mits asking them to stand behind a relative new
> product......she never even got a response!!!
>
>
> I find that pathetic!!
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Q
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
>
> Wow... you hit that one on the head but...
>
> I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...
>
> Quote: Servicer not needed
>
> We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
> anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25 years
> and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
> important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things have
> really changed for me.
>
> It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
> $500-$1500 more...
>
> end quote.
>
> So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort it sure
> seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
> probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
> change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change quite a
> bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.
>
> Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the inability
> to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing ourselves
> in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that? On the
> other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
> replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology? Based
> on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you bet!
> forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
> insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went from 16
> bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
> artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it takes!
> Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be deemed as
> good enough.
>
> I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya know, we
> can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite young,
> bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
> your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew remained
> the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream as it is
> our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant rising
> tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
> capitalist system.
>
> We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.
>
>

>
> Richard Fisher
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Shane,
> >
> > I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the fence
> as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My
> problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for
> consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software upgrades for
> display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average consumer.
> If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would have a
> very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is
> probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting out in
> the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the television
> industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me.
> Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort food. You
> buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more until
> it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the blue
> collar world which is where many of
> my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly upgrade
> their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard. Just my
> two cents.
> >
> > Anthony R.
> > Orlando, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
> > To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4 cents
> > per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to have
> > one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
> >
> > Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
> > making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
> > end-user speaking here...
> >
> > Shane Sturgeon
> >
> >
> > Jason Burroughs wrote:
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
> >>charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
> >>industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
> >>company information (although Philips developed an optional encryption
> >>method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
> >>locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
> >>It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
> >>
> >>Jason
> >>
> >>Shane Sturgeon wrote:
> >>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
> >>>really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
> >>>1.3 can't?
> >>>
> >>>Shane Sturgeon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Jason Burroughs wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>>
> >>>>Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
> >>>>but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
> >>>>term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
> >>>>monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
> >>>>the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all the way
> >>>>up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
> >>>>really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation interface,
> >>>>but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
> >>>>acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
> >>>>1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
> >>>>required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
> >>>>address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
> >>>>protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better support for
> >>>>multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital format to
> >>>>another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's easy
> >>>>to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
> >>>>converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major issues
> >>>>the come up will likely be more on the software side than hardware -
> >>>>as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
> >>>>anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
> >>>>monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
> >>>>'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
> >>>>thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable box
> >>>>(for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
> >>>>protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as DVI
> >>>>and HDMI.
> >>>>
> >>>>Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
> >>>>into reality if needed!
> >>>>
> >>>>Jason
> >>>>
> >>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
> >>>>>say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all digital
> >>>>>video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
> >>>>>dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI, what
> >>>>>happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the article
> >>>>>in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
> >>>>>compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
> >>>>>there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
> >>>>>boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
> >>>>>technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
> >>>>>settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
> >>>>>driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
> >>>>>occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
> >>>>>with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
> >>>>>2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
> >>>>>televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Anthony R.
> >>>>>Orlando, FL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
> >>>>>To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
> >>>>>HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
> >>>>>sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
> >>>>>especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say "wiki
> >>>>>it"!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jason
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
> >>>>>>provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
> >>>>>>Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the journalist
> >>>>>>was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
> >>>>>>purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the purchase
> >>>>>>of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was quite
> >>>>>>possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI interface in
> >>>>>>favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
> >>>>>>alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
> >>>>>>effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
> >>>>>>comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Anthony R.
> >>>>>>Orlando, FL
> >>>>>>
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#4 Jan 13, 2007 at 4:57 pm

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Richard,

I quite agree with your assessment of our throwaway society.

Problem is it makes manufactures think it's the right path....i.e....

My parents are almost 80 years old.... they finally made the plunge with a
Mitsubishi DLP HDTV.

After less than one year old it required almost $800 worth of repairs!

My mom wrote a letter to Mits asking them to stand behind a relative new
product......she never even got a response!!!

I find that pathetic!!

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard Fisher
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Q

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Wow... you hit that one on the head but...

I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...

Quote: Servicer not needed

We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25 years
and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things have
really changed for me.

It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
$500-$1500 more...

end quote.

So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort it sure
seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change quite a
bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.

Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the inability
to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing ourselves
in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that? On the
other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology? Based
on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you bet!
forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went from 16
bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it takes!
Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be deemed as
good enough.

I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya know, we
can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite young,
bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew remained
the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream as it is
our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant rising
tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
capitalist system.

We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.

Richard Fisher
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Shane,
>
> I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the fence
as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My
problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for
consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software upgrades for
display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average consumer.
If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would have a
very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is
probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting out in
the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the television
industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me.
Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort food. You
buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more until
it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the blue
collar world which is where many of
my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly upgrade
their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard. Just my
two cents.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
> Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4 cents
> per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to have
> one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
>
> Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
> making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
> end-user speaking here...
>
> Shane Sturgeon
>
>
> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
>>charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
>>industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
>>company information (although Philips developed an optional encryption
>>method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
>>locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
>>It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>Shane Sturgeon wrote:
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
>>>really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
>>>1.3 can't?
>>>
>>>Shane Sturgeon
>>>
>>>
>>>Jason Burroughs wrote:
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
>>>>but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
>>>>term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
>>>>monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
>>>>the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all the way
>>>>up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
>>>>really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation interface,
>>>>but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
>>>>acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
>>>>1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
>>>>required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
>>>>address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
>>>>protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better support for
>>>>multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital format to
>>>>another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's easy
>>>>to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
>>>>converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major issues
>>>>the come up will likely be more on the software side than hardware -
>>>>as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
>>>>anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
>>>>monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
>>>>'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
>>>>thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable box
>>>>(for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
>>>>protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as DVI
>>>>and HDMI.
>>>>
>>>>Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
>>>>into reality if needed!
>>>>
>>>>Jason
>>>>
>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
>>>>>say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all digital
>>>>>video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
>>>>>dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI, what
>>>>>happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the article
>>>>>in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
>>>>>compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
>>>>>there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
>>>>>boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
>>>>>technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
>>>>>settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
>>>>>driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
>>>>>occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
>>>>>with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
>>>>>2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
>>>>>televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>>>From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
>>>>>To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
>>>>>HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
>>>>>sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
>>>>>especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
>>>>>
>>>>>Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
>>>>>
>>>>>I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say "wiki
>>>>>it"!
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
>>>>>>provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
>>>>>>Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the journalist
>>>>>>was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
>>>>>>purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the purchase
>>>>>>of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was quite
>>>>>>possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI interface in
>>>>>>favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
>>>>>>alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
>>>>>>effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
>>>>>>comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To unsubscribe please click: [email protected]
>>>>>>
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#5 Jan 13, 2007 at 5:14 pm

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CQ,

They bought from some dealer (probably from some Big Box store) in Peoria,
AZ where they live.

Thanks,

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:55 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Q

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Where did they buy the TV?

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Richard,
>
> I quite agree with your assessment of our throwaway society.
>
> Problem is it makes manufactures think it's the right path....i.e....
>
> My parents are almost 80 years old.... they finally made the plunge with a
> Mitsubishi DLP HDTV.
>
> After less than one year old it required almost $800 worth of repairs!
>
> My mom wrote a letter to Mits asking them to stand behind a relative new
> product......she never even got a response!!!
>
>
> I find that pathetic!!
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Q
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
>
> Wow... you hit that one on the head but...
>
> I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...
>
> Quote: Servicer not needed
>
> We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
> anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25 years
> and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
> important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things have
> really changed for me.
>
> It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
> $500-$1500 more...
>
> end quote.
>
> So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort it sure
> seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
> probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
> change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change quite a
> bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.
>
> Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the inability
> to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing ourselves
> in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that? On the
> other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
> replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology? Based
> on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you bet!
> forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
> insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went from 16
> bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
> artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it takes!
> Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be deemed as
> good enough.
>
> I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya know, we
> can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite young,
> bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
> your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew remained
> the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream as it is
> our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant rising
> tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
> capitalist system.
>
> We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.
>
>

>
> Richard Fisher
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Shane,
> >
> > I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the
fence
> as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My
> problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for
> consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software upgrades for
> display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average
consumer.
> If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would have a
> very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is
> probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting out in
> the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the television
> industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me.
> Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort food.
You
> buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more until
> it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the blue
> collar world which is where many of
> my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly upgrade
> their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard. Just
my
> two cents.
> >
> > Anthony R.
> > Orlando, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
> > To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4 cents
> > per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to have
> > one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
> >
> > Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
> > making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
> > end-user speaking here...
> >
> > Shane Sturgeon
> >
> >
> > Jason Burroughs wrote:
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
> >>charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
> >>industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
> >>company information (although Philips developed an optional encryption
> >>method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
> >>locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
> >>It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
> >>
> >>Jason
> >>
> >>Shane Sturgeon wrote:
> >>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
> >>>really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
> >>>1.3 can't?
> >>>
> >>>Shane Sturgeon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Jason Burroughs wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>>
> >>>>Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
> >>>>but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
> >>>>term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
> >>>>monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
> >>>>the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all the way
> >>>>up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
> >>>>really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation interface,
> >>>>but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
> >>>>acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
> >>>>1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
> >>>>required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
> >>>>address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
> >>>>protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better support for
> >>>>multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital format to
> >>>>another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's easy
> >>>>to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
> >>>>converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major issues
> >>>>the come up will likely be more on the software side than hardware -
> >>>>as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
> >>>>anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
> >>>>monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
> >>>>'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
> >>>>thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable box
> >>>>(for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
> >>>>protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as DVI
> >>>>and HDMI.
> >>>>
> >>>>Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
> >>>>into reality if needed!
> >>>>
> >>>>Jason
> >>>>
> >>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
> >>>>>say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all digital
> >>>>>video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
> >>>>>dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI, what
> >>>>>happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the article
> >>>>>in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
> >>>>>compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
> >>>>>there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
> >>>>>boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
> >>>>>technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
> >>>>>settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
> >>>>>driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
> >>>>>occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
> >>>>>with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
> >>>>>2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
> >>>>>televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Anthony R.
> >>>>>Orlando, FL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
> >>>>>To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
> >>>>>HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
> >>>>>sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
> >>>>>especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say "wiki
> >>>>>it"!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jason
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>>I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
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> >>>>>>Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the journalist
> >>>>>>was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
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> >>>>>>of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was quite
> >>>>>>possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI interface in
> >>>>>>favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
> >>>>>>alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
> >>>>>>effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
> >>>>>>comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
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#6 Jan 13, 2007 at 5:20 pm

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Did their retailer not attempt to intervene in some manner or compensate for
Mitsubishi's lack of support? I no longer sell or recommend Sharp projectors
due to their abuse of their customers. As a manufacturer I have fired 3 of my
component parts suppliers over the years because they would not provide even
minimal courtesy, respect, due diligence and communication. Providing genuine
value for people's hard earned money is becoming increasingly rare.

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>
> CQ,
>
>
> They bought from some dealer (probably from some Big Box store) in Peoria,
> AZ where they live.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:55 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Q
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Where did they buy the TV?
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I quite agree with your assessment of our throwaway society.
> >
> > Problem is it makes manufactures think it's the right path....i.e....
> >
> > My parents are almost 80 years old.... they finally made the plunge with a
> > Mitsubishi DLP HDTV.
> >
> > After less than one year old it required almost $800 worth of repairs!
> >
> > My mom wrote a letter to Mits asking them to stand behind a relative new
> > product......she never even got a response!!!
> >
> >
> > I find that pathetic!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> > Richard Fisher
> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: Q
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow... you hit that one on the head but...
> >
> > I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...
> >
> > Quote: Servicer not needed
> >
> > We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
> > anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25 years
> > and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
> > important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things have
> > really changed for me.
> >
> > It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
> > $500-$1500 more...
> >
> > end quote.
> >
> > So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort it sure
> > seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
> > probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
> > change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change quite a
> > bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.
> >
> > Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the inability
> > to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing ourselves
> > in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that? On the
> > other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
> > replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology? Based
> > on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you bet!
> > forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
> > insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went from 16
> > bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
> > artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it takes!
> > Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be deemed as
> > good enough.
> >
> > I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya know, we
> > can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite young,
> > bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
> > your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew remained
> > the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream as it is
> > our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant rising
> > tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
> > capitalist system.
> >
> > We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.
> >
> >

> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> > Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
> >
> > Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > Shane,
> > >
> > > I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the
> fence
> > as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My
> > problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for
> > consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software upgrades for
> > display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average
> consumer.
> > If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would have a
> > very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is
> > probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting out in
> > the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the television
> > industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me.
> > Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort food.
> You
> > buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more until
> > it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the blue
> > collar world which is where many of
> > my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly upgrade
> > their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard. Just
> my
> > two cents.
> > >
> > > Anthony R.
> > > Orlando, FL
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
> > > To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4 cents
> > > per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to have
> > > one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
> > >
> > > Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
> > > making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
> > > end-user speaking here...
> > >
> > > Shane Sturgeon
> > >
> > >
> > > Jason Burroughs wrote:
> > >
> > >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>
> > >>Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
> > >>charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
> > >>industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
> > >>company information (although Philips developed an optional encryption
> > >>method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
> > >>locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
> > >>It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
> > >>
> > >>Jason
> > >>
> > >>Shane Sturgeon wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>
> > >>>compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
> > >>>really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
> > >>>1.3 can't?
> > >>>
> > >>>Shane Sturgeon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Jason Burroughs wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
> > >>>>but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
> > >>>>term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
> > >>>>monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
> > >>>>the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all the way
> > >>>>up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
> > >>>>really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation interface,
> > >>>>but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
> > >>>>acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
> > >>>>1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
> > >>>>required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
> > >>>>address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
> > >>>>protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better support for
> > >>>>multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital format to
> > >>>>another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's easy
> > >>>>to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
> > >>>>converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major issues
> > >>>>the come up will likely be more on the software side than hardware -
> > >>>>as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
> > >>>>anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
> > >>>>monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
> > >>>>'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
> > >>>>thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable box
> > >>>>(for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
> > >>>>protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as DVI
> > >>>>and HDMI.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
> > >>>>into reality if needed!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Jason
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
> > >>>>>say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all digital
> > >>>>>video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
> > >>>>>dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI, what
> > >>>>>happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the article
> > >>>>>in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
> > >>>>>compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
> > >>>>>there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
> > >>>>>boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
> > >>>>>technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
> > >>>>>settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
> > >>>>>driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
> > >>>>>occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
> > >>>>>with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
> > >>>>>2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
> > >>>>>televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony R.
> > >>>>>Orlando, FL
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
> > >>>>>To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
> > >>>>>Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
> > >>>>>HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
> > >>>>>sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
> > >>>>>especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say "wiki
> > >>>>>it"!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jason
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
> > >>>>>>provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
> > >>>>>>Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the journalist
> > >>>>>>was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
> > >>>>>>purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the purchase
> > >>>>>>of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was quite
> > >>>>>>possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI interface in
> > >>>>>>favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
> > >>>>>>alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
> > >>>>>>effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
> > >>>>>>comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Anthony R.
> > >>>>>>Orlando, FL
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#7 Jan 13, 2007 at 5:37 pm

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Mitsubishi DLP's have a 1 year manufacturers warranty don't they?

On Jan 13, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Larry Megugorac wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Richard,
>
> I quite agree with your assessment of our throwaway society.
>
> Problem is it makes manufactures think it's the right path....i.e....
>
> My parents are almost 80 years old.... they finally made the plunge
> with a
> Mitsubishi DLP HDTV.
>
> After less than one year old it required almost $800 worth of repairs!
>
> My mom wrote a letter to Mits asking them to stand behind a
> relative new
> product......she never even got a response!!!
>
>
> I find that pathetic!!
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On
> Behalf Of
> Richard Fisher
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Q
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
>
> Wow... you hit that one on the head but...
>
> I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...
>
> Quote: Servicer not needed
>
> We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
> anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25 years
> and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
> important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things have
> really changed for me.
>
> It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
> $500-$1500 more...
>
> end quote.
>
> So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort it
> sure
> seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
> probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
> change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change
> quite a
> bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.
>
> Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the inability
> to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing
> ourselves
> in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that? On
> the
> other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
> replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology?
> Based
> on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you bet!
> forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
> insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went
> from 16
> bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
> artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it takes!
> Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be
> deemed as
> good enough.
>
> I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya
> know, we
> can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite young,
> bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
> your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew remained
> the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream as
> it is
> our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant
> rising
> tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
> capitalist system.
>
> We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.
>
>

>
> Richard Fisher
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Shane,
>>
>> I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of
>> the fence
> as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My
> problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for
> consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software
> upgrades for
> display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average
> consumer.
> If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would
> have a
> very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is
> probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting
> out in
> the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the
> television
> industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me.
> Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort
> food. You
> buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or
> more until
> it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the
> blue
> collar world which is where many of
> my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly
> upgrade
> their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard.
> Just my
> two cents.
>>
>> Anthony R.
>> Orlando, FL
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
>> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4
>> cents
>> per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to
>> have
>> one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
>>
>> Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
>> making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
>> end-user speaking here...
>>
>> Shane Sturgeon
>>
>>
>> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
>>> charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
>>> industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
>>> company information (although Philips developed an optional
>>> encryption
>>> method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
>>> locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
>>> It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> Shane Sturgeon wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
>>>> really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
>>>> 1.3 can't?
>>>>
>>>> Shane Sturgeon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
>>>>> but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
>>>>> term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
>>>>> monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
>>>>> the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all
>>>>> the way
>>>>> up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
>>>>> really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation
>>>>> interface,
>>>>> but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
>>>>> acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
>>>>> 1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
>>>>> required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
>>>>> address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
>>>>> protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better
>>>>> support for
>>>>> multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital
>>>>> format to
>>>>> another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's
>>>>> easy
>>>>> to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
>>>>> converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major
>>>>> issues
>>>>> the come up will likely be more on the software side than
>>>>> hardware -
>>>>> as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
>>>>> anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
>>>>> monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
>>>>> 'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
>>>>> thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable
>>>>> box
>>>>> (for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
>>>>> protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as
>>>>> DVI
>>>>> and HDMI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
>>>>> into reality if needed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
>>>>>> say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all
>>>>>> digital
>>>>>> video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
>>>>>> dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI,
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the
>>>>>> article
>>>>>> in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
>>>>>> compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
>>>>>> there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
>>>>>> boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
>>>>>> technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
>>>>>> settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
>>>>>> driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
>>>>>> occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
>>>>>> with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
>>>>>> 2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
>>>>>> televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony R.
>>>>>> Orlando, FL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
>>>>>> HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
>>>>>> sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
>>>>>> especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say
>>>>>> "wiki
>>>>>> it"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
>>>>>>> provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
>>>>>>> Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the
>>>>>>> journalist
>>>>>>> was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
>>>>>>> purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the purchase
>>>>>>> of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI
>>>>>>> interface in
>>>>>>> favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
>>>>>>> alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
>>>>>>> effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
>>>>>>> comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthony R.
>>>>>>> Orlando, FL
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#8 Jan 13, 2007 at 5:39 pm

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CQ,

I think once the ever so warm & fuzzy 90 warranty expires it's out of the
store's control....again that is pathetic!

Especially on the fixed income my parents rely on!

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:20 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Q

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Did their retailer not attempt to intervene in some manner or compensate for

Mitsubishi's lack of support? I no longer sell or recommend Sharp
projectors
due to their abuse of their customers. As a manufacturer I have fired 3 of
my
component parts suppliers over the years because they would not provide even

minimal courtesy, respect, due diligence and communication. Providing
genuine
value for people's hard earned money is becoming increasingly rare.

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> CQ,
>
>
> They bought from some dealer (probably from some Big Box store) in Peoria,
> AZ where they live.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:55 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Q
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Where did they buy the TV?
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I quite agree with your assessment of our throwaway society.
> >
> > Problem is it makes manufactures think it's the right path....i.e....
> >
> > My parents are almost 80 years old.... they finally made the plunge with
a
> > Mitsubishi DLP HDTV.
> >
> > After less than one year old it required almost $800 worth of repairs!
> >
> > My mom wrote a letter to Mits asking them to stand behind a relative new
> > product......she never even got a response!!!
> >
> >
> > I find that pathetic!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of
> > Richard Fisher
> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: Q
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow... you hit that one on the head but...
> >
> > I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...
> >
> > Quote: Servicer not needed
> >
> > We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
> > anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25 years
> > and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
> > important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things have
> > really changed for me.
> >
> > It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
> > $500-$1500 more...
> >
> > end quote.
> >
> > So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort it sure

> > seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
> > probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
> > change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change quite a

> > bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.
> >
> > Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the inability
> > to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing ourselves
> > in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that? On the
> > other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
> > replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology? Based
> > on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you bet!
> > forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
> > insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went from 16
> > bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
> > artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it takes!
> > Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be deemed as
> > good enough.
> >
> > I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya know, we

> > can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite young,
> > bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
> > your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew remained
> > the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream as it is

> > our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant rising
> > tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
> > capitalist system.
> >
> > We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.
> >
> >

> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> > Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
> >
> > Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > Shane,
> > >
> > > I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the
> fence
> > as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My
> > problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for
> > consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software upgrades
for
> > display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average
> consumer.
> > If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would have a
> > very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is
> > probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting out
in
> > the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the
television
> > industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me.
> > Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort food.
> You
> > buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more
until
> > it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the blue
> > collar world which is where many of
> > my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly
upgrade
> > their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard. Just
> my
> > two cents.
> > >
> > > Anthony R.
> > > Orlando, FL
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
> > > To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4 cents

> > > per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to have

> > > one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
> > >
> > > Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
> > > making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
> > > end-user speaking here...
> > >
> > > Shane Sturgeon
> > >
> > >
> > > Jason Burroughs wrote:
> > >
> > >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>
> > >>Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
> > >>charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
> > >>industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
> > >>company information (although Philips developed an optional encryption

> > >>method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
> > >>locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
> > >>It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
> > >>
> > >>Jason
> > >>
> > >>Shane Sturgeon wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>
> > >>>compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
> > >>>really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
> > >>>1.3 can't?
> > >>>
> > >>>Shane Sturgeon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Jason Burroughs wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
> > >>>>but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
> > >>>>term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
> > >>>>monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
> > >>>>the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all the way

> > >>>>up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
> > >>>>really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation interface,

> > >>>>but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
> > >>>>acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
> > >>>>1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
> > >>>>required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
> > >>>>address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
> > >>>>protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better support for

> > >>>>multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital format to
> > >>>>another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's easy
> > >>>>to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
> > >>>>converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major issues
> > >>>>the come up will likely be more on the software side than hardware -

> > >>>>as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
> > >>>>anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
> > >>>>monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
> > >>>>'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
> > >>>>thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable box
> > >>>>(for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
> > >>>>protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as DVI
> > >>>>and HDMI.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
> > >>>>into reality if needed!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Jason
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
> > >>>>>say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all digital

> > >>>>>video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
> > >>>>>dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI, what
> > >>>>>happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the article

> > >>>>>in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
> > >>>>>compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
> > >>>>>there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
> > >>>>>boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
> > >>>>>technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
> > >>>>>settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
> > >>>>>driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
> > >>>>>occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
> > >>>>>with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
> > >>>>>2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
> > >>>>>televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony R.
> > >>>>>Orlando, FL
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
> > >>>>>To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
> > >>>>>Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
> > >>>>>HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
> > >>>>>sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
> > >>>>>especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say "wiki
> > >>>>>it"!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jason
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
> > >>>>>>provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
> > >>>>>>Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the journalist

> > >>>>>>was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
> > >>>>>>purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the purchase
> > >>>>>>of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was quite

> > >>>>>>possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI interface in

> > >>>>>>favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
> > >>>>>>alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
> > >>>>>>effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
> > >>>>>>comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Anthony R.
> > >>>>>>Orlando, FL
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#9 Jan 13, 2007 at 6:10 pm

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From the Mitubusihi WWW site...

----

This is a partial summary of warranty information. Please see actual
written warranties included with each product for specific terms,
conditions, and exclusions.

Big Screen televisions: Thirty days on screen, one year on all other
parts. One year on labor. In-home service on all models. VCRs: Ninety
days over-the-counter exchange. Bring to authorized dealer where
purchased. D-VHS VCRs: One year on parts. Ninety days on labor. Carry-
in service. DVD players: Six month over-the-counter exchange. Take to
authorized dealer where purchased. LCD TVs: One year on parts. One
year on labor. Carry in service. Plasma displays: One year on parts.
One year on labor. In-home service on all models.

On Jan 13, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Larry Megugorac wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> CQ,
>
> I think once the ever so warm & fuzzy 90 warranty expires it's out
> of the
> store's control....again that is pathetic!
>
> Especially on the fixed income my parents rely on!
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On
> Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:20 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Q
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Did their retailer not attempt to intervene in some manner or
> compensate for
>
> Mitsubishi's lack of support? I no longer sell or recommend Sharp
> projectors
> due to their abuse of their customers. As a manufacturer I have
> fired 3 of
> my
> component parts suppliers over the years because they would not
> provide even
>
> minimal courtesy, respect, due diligence and communication. Providing
> genuine
> value for people's hard earned money is becoming increasingly rare.
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> CQ,
>>
>>
>> They bought from some dealer (probably from some Big Box store) in
>> Peoria,
>> AZ where they live.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On
>> Behalf Of
>> [email protected]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:55 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Q
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Where did they buy the TV?
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> I quite agree with your assessment of our throwaway society.
>>>
>>> Problem is it makes manufactures think it's the right
>>> path....i.e....
>>>
>>> My parents are almost 80 years old.... they finally made the
>>> plunge with
> a
>>> Mitsubishi DLP HDTV.
>>>
>>> After less than one year old it required almost $800 worth of
>>> repairs!
>>>
>>> My mom wrote a letter to Mits asking them to stand behind a
>>> relative new
>>> product......she never even got a response!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> I find that pathetic!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: HDTV Magazine On
>>> Behalf
> Of
>>> Richard Fisher
>>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM
>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>> Subject: Re: Q
>>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow... you hit that one on the head but...
>>>
>>> I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...
>>>
>>> Quote: Servicer not needed
>>>
>>> We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
>>> anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25
>>> years
>>> and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
>>> important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things
>>> have
>>> really changed for me.
>>>
>>> It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
>>> $500-$1500 more...
>>>
>>> end quote.
>>>
>>> So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort
>>> it sure
>
>>> seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
>>> probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
>>> change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change
>>> quite a
>
>>> bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.
>>>
>>> Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the
>>> inability
>>> to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing
>>> ourselves
>>> in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that?
>>> On the
>>> other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
>>> replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology?
>>> Based
>>> on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you
>>> bet!
>>> forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
>>> insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went
>>> from 16
>>> bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
>>> artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it
>>> takes!
>>> Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be
>>> deemed as
>>> good enough.
>>>
>>> I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya
>>> know, we
>
>>> can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite
>>> young,
>>> bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
>>> your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew
>>> remained
>>> the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream
>>> as it is
>
>>> our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant
>>> rising
>>> tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
>>> capitalist system.
>>>
>>> We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>> Richard Fisher
>>> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
>>> Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>>>
>>> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> Shane,
>>>>
>>>> I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the
>> fence
>>> as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of
>>> things. My
>>> problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level
>>> established for
>>> consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software
>>> upgrades
> for
>>> display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average
>> consumer.
>>> If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would
>>> have a
>>> very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest
>>> what is
>>> probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be
>>> sitting out
> in
>>> the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the
> television
>>> industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me.
>>> Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort
>>> food.
>> You
>>> buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more
> until
>>> it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and
>>> the blue
>>> collar world which is where many of
>>> my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly
> upgrade
>>> their televisions because the industry can't settle on a
>>> standard. Just
>> my
>>> two cents.
>>>>
>>>> Anthony R.
>>>> Orlando, FL
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
>>>> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4
>>>> cents
>
>>>> per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order
>>>> to have
>
>>>> one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
>>>> making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
>>>> end-user speaking here...
>>>>
>>>> Shane Sturgeon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
>>>>> charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
>>>>> industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
>>>>> company information (although Philips developed an optional
>>>>> encryption
>
>>>>> method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
>>>>> locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
>>>>> It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> Shane Sturgeon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI?
>>>>>> Do we
>>>>>> really need another connection type? What does it get me that
>>>>>> HDMI
>>>>>> 1.3 can't?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shane Sturgeon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after
>>>>>>> CES,
>>>>>>> but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
>>>>>>> term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
>>>>>>> monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with
>>>>>>> improvements in
>>>>>>> the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all
>>>>>>> the way
>
>>>>>>> up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
>>>>>>> really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation
>>>>>>> interface,
>
>>>>>>> but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
>>>>>>> acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
>>>>>>> 1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
>>>>>>> required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
>>>>>>> address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
>>>>>>> protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better
>>>>>>> support for
>
>>>>>>> multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital
>>>>>>> format to
>>>>>>> another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as
>>>>>>> it's easy
>>>>>>> to convert from one software protocol to another, when
>>>>>>> compared to
>>>>>>> converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major
>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>> the come up will likely be more on the software side than
>>>>>>> hardware -
>
>>>>>>> as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
>>>>>>> anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
>>>>>>> monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
>>>>>>> 'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
>>>>>>> thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort
>>>>>>> cable box
>>>>>>> (for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
>>>>>>> protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible
>>>>>>> as DVI
>>>>>>> and HDMI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me
>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>> into reality if needed!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct
>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>> say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all
>>>>>>>> digital
>
>>>>>>>> video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
>>>>>>>> dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with
>>>>>>>> HDMI, what
>>>>>>>> happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the
>>>>>>>> article
>
>>>>>>>> in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
>>>>>>>> compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
>>>>>>>> there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
>>>>>>>> technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is
>>>>>>>> willing to
>>>>>>>> settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
>>>>>>>> driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
>>>>>>>> occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
>>>>>>>> with cell phone and computer technology, but with price
>>>>>>>> points of
>>>>>>>> 2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
>>>>>>>> televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anthony R.
>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>> From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
>>>>>>>> HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It
>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>> sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
>>>>>>>> especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say
>>>>>>>> "wiki
>>>>>>>> it"!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at
>>>>>>>>> kindly
>>>>>>>>> provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
>>>>>>>>> Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the
>>>>>>>>> journalist
>
>>>>>>>>> was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
>>>>>>>>> purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the
>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>> of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it
>>>>>>>>> was quite
>
>>>>>>>>> possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI
>>>>>>>>> interface in
>
>>>>>>>>> favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
>>>>>>>>> alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
>>>>>>>>> comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anthony R.
>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL
>>>>>>>>>
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#10 Jan 13, 2007 at 6:13 pm

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I understand your point Larry and it is pathetic. I purchased a Sony direct view 32" 4 x 3 HD and took the extended warranty on it. They eventually had to replace it because the power supply kept going bad. The unit they replaced it with two years ago just died for exactly the same reason, bad power supply and this one is not under warranty. I hate to think what it's going to cost me to fix this one. I contacted Sony and as you stated, even though I had the same bad experience with two different sets their attitude was, it's out of warranty, go pound sand.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Megugorac <[email protected]>
To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:39:17 PM
Subject: Re: Q

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CQ,

I think once the ever so warm & fuzzy 90 warranty expires it's out of the
store's control....again that is pathetic!

Especially on the fixed income my parents rely on!

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:20 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Q

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Did their retailer not attempt to intervene in some manner or compensate for

Mitsubishi's lack of support? I no longer sell or recommend Sharp
projectors
due to their abuse of their customers. As a manufacturer I have fired 3 of
my
component parts suppliers over the years because they would not provide even

minimal courtesy, respect, due diligence and communication. Providing
genuine
value for people's hard earned money is becoming increasingly rare.

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> CQ,
>
>
> They bought from some dealer (probably from some Big Box store) in Peoria,
> AZ where they live.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:55 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Q
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Where did they buy the TV?
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I quite agree with your assessment of our throwaway society.
> >
> > Problem is it makes manufactures think it's the right path....i.e....
> >
> > My parents are almost 80 years old.... they finally made the plunge with
a
> > Mitsubishi DLP HDTV.
> >
> > After less than one year old it required almost $800 worth of repairs!
> >
> > My mom wrote a letter to Mits asking them to stand behind a relative new
> > product......she never even got a response!!!
> >
> >
> > I find that pathetic!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of
> > Richard Fisher
> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: Q
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow... you hit that one on the head but...
> >
> > I said somewhere else today in a rather lengthy thread...
> >
> > Quote: Servicer not needed
> >
> > We have become a rich nation. So rich that people don't fix things
> > anymore for what ever the reason. I have been doing this for 25 years
> > and saving half was saving half and that used to mean something
> > important. Over the last 2 years and especially this year things have
> > really changed for me.
> >
> > It just blows my mind how folks are so free and easy to go spend
> > $500-$1500 more...
> >
> > end quote.
> >
> > So while the older generation grieves over their loss of comfort it sure

> > seems the next generation has no issue with spending money and that
> > probably is due to our now 50% throw away society and the constant
> > change wrought by new technologies. My repair world could change quite a

> > bit in about three years regardless of how good things seem now.
> >
> > Adapt and change appears to be necessary and I too loath the inability
> > to simply coast for a while. On one hand are we not torturing ourselves
> > in our efforts to have the latest and greatest? Do we need that? On the
> > other hand 1080P always was the goal for the philes but do we now
> > replace for deep color and 2k X 4k pixel microdisplay technology? Based
> > on my recent experience of imaging science 720p versus 1080P you bet!
> > forget 2X4K chips, 4X8K has always been the magic number and the
> > insiders knew it all along. Just think of audio and how we went from 16
> > bit 44K to 24 bit 192K or DSD from Sony. You want a truly near 100%
> > artifact free image like we can do with sound? That is what it takes!
> > Bet we don't get past 2X4k because like 24 bit 96k it will be deemed as
> > good enough.
> >
> > I was discussing this with my wife the other day and said, " ya know, we

> > can always go back 100 years ago and you would be married quite young,
> > bear some children and work in the house and kitchen for the rest of
> > your life. That was easy, nothing ever changed, what you knew remained
> > the same for a long time". But ya know that too is a pipe dream as it is

> > our natural inquisitive human nature that is behind the constant rising
> > tide of newer and better ways of doing things best supported by the
> > capitalist system.
> >
> > We are the source and cause of it all... May God help us all.
> >
> >

> >
> > Richard Fisher
> > HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
> > Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
> >
> > Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > Shane,
> > >
> > > I'm inclined to agree with you but I come from the same side of the
> fence
> > as you do on this. Jason comes from the computer side of things. My
> > problem with this is there needs to be a comfort level established for
> > consumers. This constant changing of connectors and software upgrades
for
> > display connections is far beyond the comprehension of the average
> consumer.
> > If I were selling this stuff which thank heavens I'm not, I would have a
> > very difficult time knowing that I'm asking someone to invest what is
> > probably a lot of money to them, knowing that they could be sitting out
in
> > the cold six months later. Quite frankly this invasion of the
television
> > industry by the computer side of things is more than annoying to me.
> > Television is, in my mind, for lack of a better analogy, comfort food.
> You
> > buy one, set it up, and there it sits for eight to ten years or more
until
> > it dies. I live between two worlds, the one on this board and the blue
> > collar world which is where many of
> > my friends reside, and trust me they have no desire to constantly
upgrade
> > their televisions because the industry can't settle on a standard. Just
> my
> > two cents.
> > >
> > > Anthony R.
> > > Orlando, FL
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Shane Sturgeon <[email protected]>
> > > To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > I think I read somewhere that the royalty fee for HDMI is like 4 cents

> > > per unit. I, as a consumer, am willing to absorb that in order to have

> > > one less wire behind my TV. But maybe that's just me.
> > >
> > > Keep in mind I know NOTHING about DisplayPort, and am quite likely
> > > making some LARGE assumptions to what it is (and isn't). Just an
> > > end-user speaking here...
> > >
> > > Shane Sturgeon
> > >
> > >
> > > Jason Burroughs wrote:
> > >
> > >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>
> > >>Oh I left that part out completely. HDMI is owned by HDMI, LLC and
> > >>charges royalty fees (like many technologies). DisplayPort is an
> > >>industry standard that does not involve much, if any, proprietary
> > >>company information (although Philips developed an optional encryption

> > >>method). I think that is a key differentiator. Also, the connector
> > >>locks into place like Ethernet, and is keyed for easier insertion.
> > >>It's been touted as "hdmi for computers" by some.
> > >>
> > >>Jason
> > >>
> > >>Shane Sturgeon wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>
> > >>>compared with VGA and DVI, Agreed. But what about vs. HDMI? Do we
> > >>>really need another connection type? What does it get me that HDMI
> > >>>1.3 can't?
> > >>>
> > >>>Shane Sturgeon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Jason Burroughs wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Anthony, I'm also very interested in Rodolfo's comments after CES,
> > >>>>but I personally see DisplayPort as more than just another short
> > >>>>term standard. The venerable VGA cable has been present on
> > >>>>monitors/computers for probably 20 years, and with improvements in
> > >>>>the software, has kept the same form factor from 640x480 all the way

> > >>>>up to 1920x1080. DVI was a non-encrypted digital interface that
> > >>>>really wasn't up to the task of being the next generation interface,

> > >>>>but served to help LCD monitors overthrow CRT displays. Now that
> > >>>>acceptable encryption is here, and many displays go beyond DVI's
> > >>>>1920x1080 limit (correct me if I'm wrong, but "dual link DVI" is
> > >>>>required beyond 1920x1080/60), we must have something that can
> > >>>>address the multitude of higher res displays, compatibility with
> > >>>>protected content such as HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and better support for

> > >>>>multiple displays. Because we are moving from one digital format to
> > >>>>another, the "transition" should be MUCH less painful, as it's easy
> > >>>>to convert from one software protocol to another, when compared to
> > >>>>converted analog to digital and digital to analog. Any major issues
> > >>>>the come up will likely be more on the software side than hardware -

> > >>>>as in, this DVI monitor doesn't support HDCP, so I can't connect
> > >>>>anything with protected content to it. If there's a DisplayPort
> > >>>>monitor and a DVI computer (for example), there will likely be a
> > >>>>'dongle' cable that will convert from one to the other. The same
> > >>>>thing should go for an HDMI television with a DisplayPort cable box
> > >>>>(for example). Again, as long as they support the same software
> > >>>>protocols like HDCP, etc., they should be just as compatible as DVI
> > >>>>and HDMI.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Some of that is my own hope coming through, so please slap me back
> > >>>>into reality if needed!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Jason
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jason, Thanks for the link. You are absolutely correct when you
> > >>>>>say that it makes sense to move toward on connector for all digital

> > >>>>>video but what about consumers who have invested millions of
> > >>>>>dollars (collectively) in audio and video equipped with HDMI, what
> > >>>>>happens to them? (Rhetorical) Also, here we go again, the article

> > >>>>>in the link states that "the display port Video signal is not
> > >>>>>compatible with DVI or HDMI". The article further states that
> > >>>>>there is yet another competitor in the pipeline, UDI? This just
> > >>>>>boggles the mind. Not the fact that there are competing
> > >>>>>technologies but the fact that it seems that no one is willing to
> > >>>>>settle on a long term standard. I know that a lot of this is
> > >>>>>driven by the computer side but as I've said on more than one
> > >>>>>occasion, consumers grasp the concept of bigger, better, faster
> > >>>>>with cell phone and computer technology, but with price points of
> > >>>>>2.5k and up that is a difficult concept when it comes to
> > >>>>>televisions. Just my two cents. Thanks again for the info.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony R.
> > >>>>>Orlando, FL
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>From: Jason Burroughs <[email protected]>
> > >>>>>To: HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
> > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:54:24 AM
> > >>>>>Subject: Re: HDMI replaced? USA Today ariticle of last Thursday
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony, it's called DisplayPort, and it may eventually replace
> > >>>>>HDMI, as well as the interface between PCs and monitors. It makes
> > >>>>>sense to move toward one connector for all digital video -
> > >>>>>especially if it is "pin compatible" like DVI and HDMI are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I used to tell people "google for it", but now i usually say "wiki
> > >>>>>it"!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jason
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Anthony Rizzuto wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>I was in Boston last week and the hotel I was staying at kindly
> > >>>>>>provided a complimentary copy of USA Today to the guests. The
> > >>>>>>Thursday edition had on article on the CES in which the journalist

> > >>>>>>was making suggestions of what to purchase and what to wait on
> > >>>>>>purchasing. In the article he mentioned waiting on the purchase
> > >>>>>>of either Blu-Ray or HDDVD and further suggested that it was quite

> > >>>>>>possible that HD manufacturers might abandon the HDMI interface in

> > >>>>>>favor of something else, although he did not mention what the
> > >>>>>>alternative might be. Are there rumors in the industry to that
> > >>>>>>effect? That would certainly turn things upside down. Any
> > >>>>>>comments one way or the other would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Anthony R.
> > >>>>>>Orlando, FL
> > >>>>>>
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#11 Jan 13, 2007 at 6:34 pm

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Folks,
A less than one year old Mitsubishi set purchased from an authorized dealer
is under warranty.

The question I've got is what was the failure and the cause?

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Joe Hart

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#12 Jan 13, 2007 at 7:14 pm

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Hi Everyone,

Never the facts get in the way of a good story......just got off the phone
with the peeps.....it was closer to a year and half old....sorry about that.

But as far as extended warrantees go, I bought for my very first big screen,
my first Pioneer Elite, because I did not want to haul around a 300lb + TV.
When it finally needed service, the warranty company went out of business
and took my $500 Ext. Warranty with them.

I had to eventually haul mine to a repair facility in the back of a pickup
because I was told it could be repaired in my home.

I understand now that Warranty companies have to post a bond so that (going
out of business with your money) cannot happen anymore.

Still a year and a half is somewhat recent in my book but I know they have
to draw the line somewhere.

As far as the repair to my folks TV, they needed to have an entire circuit
board R & R'ed.

Sorry about the claim of under a year old.

Larry

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Folks,
A less than one year old Mitsubishi set purchased from an authorized dealer
is under warranty.

The question I've got is what was the failure and the cause?

Cheers,
Joe Hart

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