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Jason,
The mandate includes any equipment that had a NTSC tuner before.
A plasma panel for the office or computing purposes, with industrial specifications, never had a
tuner, any tuner, would hopefully have a non-tuner replacement.
The HT projector that never had a tuner before would also continue to be a monitor.
Most RPTVs are sold with ATSC/Cable CARD tuners, except the discontinued lines.
Next are the smaller sets up to 13" and NTSC VCRs, DVD recorders, anything that had an NTSC tuner.
Just as an example, these two 50" Pioneer Elite models:
Monitor $12,000 MSRP
:http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4125_136753531_tab=B,00.html?compName=
PNA_ProductDetailComponent
Integrated $13,500 MSRP :
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/p ... compName=P
NA_ProductDetailComponent
A local Tweeter sells them for $6500 the monitor and $7500 the integrated set, all their monitors in
BO are sold out upon arrival from their warehouse, the only you can get now is integrated.
The difference, a tuner (within the added media receiver), speakers, an extra component analog in
the back, 1394 due to the tuner, in other words otherwise the same set according to specs and to the
retailer.
Good luck on getting a monitor in your near future.
$1,500 MSRP difference, $1,000 retailer difference, in other words just a bit more than the $50
tuner "people that know" talk about, only talk.
If you hear Motorola today they will take a couple of years to come up with such cheap boxes (in
volume) for the OTA TVs to continue working.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
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I'm referring to an LCD, DLP, LCOS, D-ILA, or plasma - depending on what
the best is at the time. Maybe I don't quite understand the mandate, but
it doesn't include all monitors...
Jason Burroughs
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Jason,
I hate to rain on your dream parade. Your dream of no tuner is over,
unless you watch HDTV on a
small set.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
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That's a great synopsis of what is currently available! It's true that
if you're not happy with what's available on 1080i, the move to 1080p
won't much interest you (garbage in, garbage out, as they say).
Personally, I watch about 5-6 shows a season on OTA HD, plus a few on
HBO and Showtime, as well as Discovery and inHD. I believe this content
will look better upconverted to 1080p - but, like you, I'm not scrapping
my $5k 1080i RPTV just yet! When they have a fixed pixel device that
accepts 1080p from an external source, no tuner, with multiple HDMI
inputs, I'm sold. At that point, I'll be expecting an MPEG-4 solution
from Dish and/or Time Warner cable that outputs 1080p, HD DVD or bluray
outputting 1080p, and my computer would be set to output 1080p. Until
that day comes, I'm happy with what I've got.
Jason Burroughs
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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:59 PM
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Jason,
No question about it 480P is far superior to 480i. Having said that,
what
we are looking at primarily is the upconversion of existing 1080i
content.
Lets break that down a little more, from my perspective. I have cable.
I
receive roughly 12 HD Stations. At least five of those
only broadcast HD in the evening when they are broadcasting HD at all.
Two
of these stations are 720P. These are the broadcast networks I'm
referring
to, including FOX and UPN. Now on the cable side, I have Showtime and
H.B.O. which is a mix. A lot of their programming is unconverted motion
pictures which for the most part don't look all that great and I doubt
if up
converting it yet again would improve the situation. Truthfully it
would
probably make it look worse, with respect to artifacting. To continue,
I
also receive HD NET one and two and In HD one and two. At lease one of
the
HD Net channels is all movies, a lot of which are also unconverted. I
also
received Discovery HD, ESPN HD and TNT HD. A good deal of TNT's
programming
is stretched SD or unconverted and stretched SD. ESPN broadcasts a
great
deal in SD. That leave Discovery HD and INHD one and two as my primary
sources of native 1080i programming. Three channels which by no means
have
content that I want to watch on that regular of a basis. Some of it I
really like and a good portion of it I don't. Not to mention the
repetition
of programming on these channels. With the scenario I listed above, can
anyone other than an absolute junkie make a convincing argument as to
why
someone in my situation should run out and buy a 1080P display?
Anthony R.
Orlando,FL
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Yes, it just scales up, but it should be a dramatic difference. You get
the spatial resolution of 1080i and the temporal resolution of 720p (an
oversimplification). So that means it looks great with still shots and
great with sports.
Just look at the difference between DVD interlaced and progressive.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but DVD video is interlaced on disc,
and converted to 480p either by the player or the TV. It's pretty
obvious that 480p is noticeably better than 480i.
Jason Burroughs
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I had a long weekend so I'm sorry for not responding sooner. All I can
say
is thanks so much for your response Rodolfo it is illuminating as
always.
In light of your response which would suggest that it could be a while
to
say the least before we have pre-recorded DVD's that could display a
1080P
image, what content then would these new televisions display in 1080P?
Would it be nothing more than upconversion or scaling of 1080i
broadcast?
Anthony R.
Orlando, FL
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Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:36 PM
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Anthony,
No need to go all the way up to $4K, a decent 1080p scaler could be
obtained
from $1500 up.
A scaler does not display, it converts; the TV displays, to its native
1080p
if one of those sets.
Technology wise, I believe that 1080p for "film based video" has a good
chance to be implemented at
24fps with flags, like current 480i DVD is for film content. Space
wise,
there is no sense in
converting 24fps to 30 fps interlaced video for storage in the disc, it
would waste 25% of
additional space just on those extra 6 framesxsec. Doing 3:2 pulldown
of
that and convert it to
60fps for a progressive output would also be very similar to what
current
DVDs do.
Once you take that step on the design of a player, using that circuitry
to
double up video based
1080i and output to 1080p should also be pretty straight forward, like a
DVD
player does. I think
that would be the case for most HDTV videos that originate as 1080i and
could get transferred and
stored into High Def DVD that way, the player would upconvert to p when
playing back, no need to
waste space on storing a p version with interpolated pixels/lines.
The last time I discussed the subject I was told that 1080p was beyond
the
current technical
parameters of the DVD forum, but that was Toshiba making a statement
based
on their HD DVD format,
not Blu-ray.
Blu-ray does not follow DVD Forum's rules, having 1080p features in one
might push the other to end
up as I explained above.
When confronted with further technical questions, both fronts passed the
ball to the content
providers regarding having 1080p on the disc, and both declared that it
was
possible on the player
(Blu-ray said it did output that already if a 1080p disc was inserted).
So my hopes are that we will end up as described above (1080p 24fps for
film
stored as interlaced
video with flags, 1080i 30fps for video stored as interlaced, both
reproduced as 1080p), otherwise,
if missing this opportunity and just output 1080i, we will be back to
the
era previous to
progressive DVD players, and then you would need the scaler you mention,
or
cross the fingers the
1080p TV does a good job converting 1080i to p.
In the middle of this technical situation, pulling the strings, we have
the
MPAA and the content
protection nightmare, those are the ones that could ruin your dinner,
Toshiba and Sony (and their
partners) could do wonders with technology but have to follow the rules
to
maintain their licenses.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
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Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:00 PM
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Thanks for not giving up Hugh! I still want to know why someone would
pay
4k plus for a glorified scaler that probably won't be able to display
1080p
native. Pehaps when they release DVD's in 1080i it will make more sense.
Am
I the only one who is tired of the half steps? Since nothing is set in
stone anyway on Blu Ray or HD DVD, why not go all the way and make these
players and discs 1080p? From a marketing standpoint it might make more
sense.
Anthony R.
Orlando, FL
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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:49 PM
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Here's the email I received from Quantum Vision on their progress toward
a
1080P CRT RPTV.
> Hugh,
>
> Thanks for your interest. We have been demonstrating 1080p capable
CRTs
> for some time, but have been working on the desired brightness. The
> inherent grayscale, dynamic range and black levels of CRTS allow one
to
> appreciate that much resolution. The only problem with today's CRTs is
> that the powder phosphor anode and its output (and compromised optical
> lenses) do not allow one to resolve a <70 micron spot size. We fix
that
> problem along with color, life and image burn-in problems. We hope our
> current process work will allow us to deliver on the full promise of a
> resonant micro-cavity CRT this Summer. It will clearly be the
performance
> leader by a wide margin, as your questions imply you understand.
>
> Best,
> Rolland Von Stroh
>
> 707-537-1500 (O)
> 707-321-0564 (C)
>
>
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