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Anthony,
To my knowledge this subject was not brought up at this level of detail before.
I am still at Vegas and cranking up text, but just as heads up.
Both formats to release units by Spring, Toshiba is ahead by one month, and with a rock bottom
price, but a rock bottom 1080p handling, both formats with a collection of movies shown at CES, and
the typical circus of "I am better watch me".
---------------------
HD DVD zoo:
Toshiba announced $500 and $800 players: same performance, same electronic design, same connections,
no 1080p, no 1080i over analog until DVD forum decides, $300 difference pays for remote/fancy
electronic front door/RS-232/cabinet isolated legs, finish, etc.
---------------------
Blu-ray zoo:
General $ range $1000
Pioneer Elite $1800,
outputs 1080p 24/60 fps and certainly 1080i 30 fps over HDMI selectable from menu,
no 1394,
RJ45 jack,
no 1080i over analog component until Blu-ray Association decides (allow me to rephrase that: until
the MPAA member of the Association decides),
black lacquer front as usual on Elite,
DTS-HD and True DD, multi-channel analog audio outputs, etc.
Info is sourced verbally at the booth, I have a recording to put all pieces together later, and plan
to contact Pioneer directly upon my return, I do not trust anyone at CES unless is written.
Sony:
1080p 60 fps over HDMI (24fps converted to 60 within the player),
no 1080i over component analog until the Blu-ray Association decides.
Info from the booth, verbally and graphically, "1080p 60fps is confirmed".
PS3 will come out at a price range that might motivate Blu-ray followers to avoid paying more for a
stand-alone player, courtesy of Sony's muscle that foots the loss (like Toshiba seems to foot theirs
with the $500 player).
--------------------
In other words, the main differentiators "on the recent announcements" seem to be:
price muscling,
1080p handling,
30 day timing on arrival,
(and of course all the other known such as disc itself/capacity, etc.)
Pick your poison.
I believe that the market of FPTV HT buyers would go with Blu-ray due to 1080p for better resolution
on large screens and 1080p inputs on their FP and because they usually invest well on better quality
image, HD DVD wants to muscle up the format with low prices.
IMOP it comes down to winning the royalty revenues generated from the licensing for decades to come,
it is not about a player or Hi Def capacity, the money is on the future earnings of licensing, so
muscling the launching is crucial for that future (and to recover all the R&D investment), not to
mention the name image of saying "I won".
Wait until I finish my meetings with Taiwan's FVD Hi Def DVD, $250 player, $6 WM9 movies played with
red laser, US independent film making, titles growing, their own copy protection, no AACS, HDMI,
1080i over analog. The subject will have an article by itself like last year.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:59 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: iscan vp 30
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Rodolfo,
I've been out of the loop for about a week so I apologize if I'm going over
old news. Blue Ray is definitely going to output 1080p in both 24 and 60
fps? Is Pioneer the only manufacturer offering this? What software will be
available?
Anthony R.
Orlando, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:50 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: iscan vp 30
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Nicetry,
What is your overall purpose of using the VP30, output resolution for your
display?
I assume that someone wanting such product has a quality FPTV system and
expects 1080p processing,
especially having Blu-ray outputting 1080p 24 and 60 fps over HDMI in May by
Pioneer (if you have
$1800 in addition to the $2K of the VP30).
The VP30 deinterlaces 1080i interpolating pixels on each 540 filed to create
one 1080p frame, not
weaving the two 540 fields with pixel-by-pixel motion adaptation
inter-fields and frames as it
should be if you expect maximum quality, it could show badly on large FP
screens.
They are working on their next model that would do that, the showed the new
chip and a new scaler
will be available for late 2006; they will have exchange programs crediting
an amount of what the
VP30 costs (more than the 50%) toward the purchase of the newer model, as
they do today with the
owners of their other models, nice feature of this company.
The new implementation requires an entirely different design and larger
bandwidth to been able to
handle what proper 1080i deinterlacing requires, this upgrade is not as
simple as opening the VP30
and changing a chip or the entire board, it will require replacing power
supply, board, memory,
speed of processing for double the bandwidth, the entire box. This quality
is what Faroudja does
with their 1080p processors, reason by which they gained such respect.
Another issue is the lack of 1080p pass-thru, which is something they
indicated they will take care
of it on the VP-30.
I have all my notes on my CES meeting in a voice recorder, so I am just
recalling part of the
detail, the complete version will appear on the CES 2006 report, or a
separate article if I am not
able to produce one this year.
If you have a display device like the plasma Elite that syncs and
upconverts-frames at 3:3 72Hz for
24fps I would not use the VP30 for Blu-ray Elite, just send HDMI directly
bypassing the VP30, let
the plasma do the 24 to 72 magic, no fields, no 3:2 pull-down artifacts.
If you have (or plan to have) a FPTV that accepts 1080p 24fps or 60 fps,
like the new 1080p
projectors would do (Ruby, Qualia 004 w/upgrade, Optoma 81, new Sharp, etc.)
I would do the same,
send the 1080p directly.
For other video processing than 1080p I would be careful about locking
myself on any scaler that
does not properly deinterlace 1080i and the upgrade is not sw based, but as
with everything in
high-end video/audio at the end of the day you choose your own poison,
perhaps it does not look that
bad to your eyes, maybe is less bad than waiting, perhaps you might want to
choose another scaler
now.
I was planning to buy one myself for a 1080p projector/blu-ray combination,
and I am changing gears
after my meeting with DVDO.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Nicetry
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:12 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: iscan vp 30
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Anybody have experience with the Iscan vp 30 ?
Thanks
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Anthony,
To my knowledge this subject was not brought up at this level of detail before.
I am still at Vegas and cranking up text, but just as heads up.
Both formats to release units by Spring, Toshiba is ahead by one month, and with a rock bottom
price, but a rock bottom 1080p handling, both formats with a collection of movies shown at CES, and
the typical circus of "I am better watch me".
---------------------
HD DVD zoo:
Toshiba announced $500 and $800 players: same performance, same electronic design, same connections,
no 1080p, no 1080i over analog until DVD forum decides, $300 difference pays for remote/fancy
electronic front door/RS-232/cabinet isolated legs, finish, etc.
---------------------
Blu-ray zoo:
General $ range $1000
Pioneer Elite $1800,
outputs 1080p 24/60 fps and certainly 1080i 30 fps over HDMI selectable from menu,
no 1394,
RJ45 jack,
no 1080i over analog component until Blu-ray Association decides (allow me to rephrase that: until
the MPAA member of the Association decides),
black lacquer front as usual on Elite,
DTS-HD and True DD, multi-channel analog audio outputs, etc.
Info is sourced verbally at the booth, I have a recording to put all pieces together later, and plan
to contact Pioneer directly upon my return, I do not trust anyone at CES unless is written.
Sony:
1080p 60 fps over HDMI (24fps converted to 60 within the player),
no 1080i over component analog until the Blu-ray Association decides.
Info from the booth, verbally and graphically, "1080p 60fps is confirmed".
PS3 will come out at a price range that might motivate Blu-ray followers to avoid paying more for a
stand-alone player, courtesy of Sony's muscle that foots the loss (like Toshiba seems to foot theirs
with the $500 player).
--------------------
In other words, the main differentiators "on the recent announcements" seem to be:
price muscling,
1080p handling,
30 day timing on arrival,
(and of course all the other known such as disc itself/capacity, etc.)
Pick your poison.
I believe that the market of FPTV HT buyers would go with Blu-ray due to 1080p for better resolution
on large screens and 1080p inputs on their FP and because they usually invest well on better quality
image, HD DVD wants to muscle up the format with low prices.
IMOP it comes down to winning the royalty revenues generated from the licensing for decades to come,
it is not about a player or Hi Def capacity, the money is on the future earnings of licensing, so
muscling the launching is crucial for that future (and to recover all the R&D investment), not to
mention the name image of saying "I won".
Wait until I finish my meetings with Taiwan's FVD Hi Def DVD, $250 player, $6 WM9 movies played with
red laser, US independent film making, titles growing, their own copy protection, no AACS, HDMI,
1080i over analog. The subject will have an article by itself like last year.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:59 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: iscan vp 30
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Rodolfo,
I've been out of the loop for about a week so I apologize if I'm going over
old news. Blue Ray is definitely going to output 1080p in both 24 and 60
fps? Is Pioneer the only manufacturer offering this? What software will be
available?
Anthony R.
Orlando, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:50 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: iscan vp 30
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Nicetry,
What is your overall purpose of using the VP30, output resolution for your
display?
I assume that someone wanting such product has a quality FPTV system and
expects 1080p processing,
especially having Blu-ray outputting 1080p 24 and 60 fps over HDMI in May by
Pioneer (if you have
$1800 in addition to the $2K of the VP30).
The VP30 deinterlaces 1080i interpolating pixels on each 540 filed to create
one 1080p frame, not
weaving the two 540 fields with pixel-by-pixel motion adaptation
inter-fields and frames as it
should be if you expect maximum quality, it could show badly on large FP
screens.
They are working on their next model that would do that, the showed the new
chip and a new scaler
will be available for late 2006; they will have exchange programs crediting
an amount of what the
VP30 costs (more than the 50%) toward the purchase of the newer model, as
they do today with the
owners of their other models, nice feature of this company.
The new implementation requires an entirely different design and larger
bandwidth to been able to
handle what proper 1080i deinterlacing requires, this upgrade is not as
simple as opening the VP30
and changing a chip or the entire board, it will require replacing power
supply, board, memory,
speed of processing for double the bandwidth, the entire box. This quality
is what Faroudja does
with their 1080p processors, reason by which they gained such respect.
Another issue is the lack of 1080p pass-thru, which is something they
indicated they will take care
of it on the VP-30.
I have all my notes on my CES meeting in a voice recorder, so I am just
recalling part of the
detail, the complete version will appear on the CES 2006 report, or a
separate article if I am not
able to produce one this year.
If you have a display device like the plasma Elite that syncs and
upconverts-frames at 3:3 72Hz for
24fps I would not use the VP30 for Blu-ray Elite, just send HDMI directly
bypassing the VP30, let
the plasma do the 24 to 72 magic, no fields, no 3:2 pull-down artifacts.
If you have (or plan to have) a FPTV that accepts 1080p 24fps or 60 fps,
like the new 1080p
projectors would do (Ruby, Qualia 004 w/upgrade, Optoma 81, new Sharp, etc.)
I would do the same,
send the 1080p directly.
For other video processing than 1080p I would be careful about locking
myself on any scaler that
does not properly deinterlace 1080i and the upgrade is not sw based, but as
with everything in
high-end video/audio at the end of the day you choose your own poison,
perhaps it does not look that
bad to your eyes, maybe is less bad than waiting, perhaps you might want to
choose another scaler
now.
I was planning to buy one myself for a 1080p projector/blu-ray combination,
and I am changing gears
after my meeting with DVDO.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Nicetry
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:12 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: iscan vp 30
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Anybody have experience with the Iscan vp 30 ?
Thanks
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