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Larry,
I noticed that you were left worried about HD content protection.
As long as the rules of 5c (DTCP content protection system for Firewire) of copy once, never, etc,
are followed by the pieces connected by the 1394 network (your Mitsu, STB, external D-VHS or DVR,
etc) I see no problem for the DVR or external D-VHS to perform its duties with content that is
allowed to be time shifted/archived.
It is certainly implied that DTCP will inherit and respond to other content protection rules, such
as transporting HD with HDCP over HDMI or DVI, as well responding to broadcasts that eventually
could be protected with the broadcast flag (13 systems courtesy of the FCC). If a program is
allowed for recording the DVR should allow it regardless where the DVR is located in the signal
path, within a TV or separate like the Symbio or RCA units, always connected with two- way 1394.
One front that is fortunately turning the tables lately to allow more sharing of HD content within a
home is what is happening with HD DVD and Blu-ray to permit networking to other devices that a
viewer might legally want to view/share the content with. I can see that this front would
eventually affect the rulings the FCC made, regarding how to implement the broadcast flag intended
for blocking internet distribution on a perfectly valid home network (a smaller internet if you
will).
For more details about your concerns with HD content protection feel free to go to www.hdtvetc.com
and find the article I wrote about all HD content protection (issue # 4), it shows a graph with all
possible corners of cable/satellite/OTA protection rules, and protection transformations along the
signal path to get to the viewer (due to magazine copyrights I can not paste the article here, my
own article).
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:58 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Rodolfo,
Thanks again for your explanation. I was hoping Displays that would
include DVR's might eventually let you record whatever signal that was being
fed to it. It sounds like that, due to copy protection would never let that
occur.
Thanks Again,
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:31 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Larry,
Regarding your statement: "So what I thought is correct is that the only way
that set can record HD
is when the signal is received over their supplied tuner".
I did not address that part, I just addressed the fact that you wanted a
satellite signal feeding
the unit.
It might happen that the set can receive 1394 from an external device and
let the signal be recorded
by its internal DVR, I did not do that research because the satellite
limitation was enough to
address your question.
A quick look at the user manual on their web site could provide the answer.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:07 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Rodolfo,
Thanks for your, as always, detailed response. I did not buy this display
and your answer confirmed what I figured would be the case.
So what I thought is correct is that the only way that set can record HD is
when the signal is received over their supplied tuner.
I also agree that the most "universal" way for the Manufacturers to provide
displays would be to provide a "monitor" only and let the customer concern
himself with providing the signal to be feed it (as well dispensing with
those cheap speakers included with the sets). That also would be best in
cost options for the consumer.
Thanks Again!!
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:33 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Larry,
Without getting into the features of connectivity/external acceptance of
that model in particular I
believe that a general response could provide you with the information you
need, unfortunately, as
follows:
The HDTV does not have a satellite tuner, no TV has, except for first
generations RCA HDTV CRTs back
in the late 90s. Which means you need an external HD-STB for satellite to
tune the channel.
The problem is how do you take that signal out of that HD-STB for recording,
these boxes are famous
for their of lack 1394 outputs, no HD-STB for satellite can take an HD
signal out via 1394 in
compressed form for external recording, other than certain modification the
company www.169time.com
does to some satellite STBs to provide exactly that capability, expensive
though, which I do not
think is your case.
The satellite box would typically give you component analog, VGA 15 pin
D-sub, DVI or HDMI,
connections, but no 1394. Cable and OTA boxes do, they are mandated by the
FCC (actually, satellite
was mandated as well but they fly under the radar ignoring the small print
in the footnotes of the
official FCC documents, but that is for another book).
So regardless if your Mitsubishi "was or not" beautifully equipped with
external ability to receive
1394 from outside sources and store it on the internal DVR (in addition to
store what it tunes), and
regardless the extra money you paid for OTA and Cable integrated tuners you
might not need, and for
the DVR, and for the 1394 HAVi network, if you are a satellite subscriber
you are unable to use all
that functionality for your primary purpose of recording satellite, because
there is no way you can
take the HD signal out from the satellite HD-STB to feed your Mitsu, or to
feed an external
DVR/D-VHS for the case. The only option would be an HD-DVR satellite STB,
duplicating the Mitsu DVR
cost, and the OTA tuner cost.
Have you hear from me over the years the pros/cons about the extra cost of
integration (now
complicated with internal DVRs) for satellite subscribers? Sorry your
pocket is finding it the hard
way.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:28 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Rodolfo and Richard,
The 2006 Mits Micro-Displays are said to come with ATSC tuners and 250 GB HD
DVR. Can these displays even record HD from a Satellite source or just the
Cable Card slot they come with?
Thanks,
Larry
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Larry,
I noticed that you were left worried about HD content protection.
As long as the rules of 5c (DTCP content protection system for Firewire) of copy once, never, etc,
are followed by the pieces connected by the 1394 network (your Mitsu, STB, external D-VHS or DVR,
etc) I see no problem for the DVR or external D-VHS to perform its duties with content that is
allowed to be time shifted/archived.
It is certainly implied that DTCP will inherit and respond to other content protection rules, such
as transporting HD with HDCP over HDMI or DVI, as well responding to broadcasts that eventually
could be protected with the broadcast flag (13 systems courtesy of the FCC). If a program is
allowed for recording the DVR should allow it regardless where the DVR is located in the signal
path, within a TV or separate like the Symbio or RCA units, always connected with two- way 1394.
One front that is fortunately turning the tables lately to allow more sharing of HD content within a
home is what is happening with HD DVD and Blu-ray to permit networking to other devices that a
viewer might legally want to view/share the content with. I can see that this front would
eventually affect the rulings the FCC made, regarding how to implement the broadcast flag intended
for blocking internet distribution on a perfectly valid home network (a smaller internet if you
will).
For more details about your concerns with HD content protection feel free to go to www.hdtvetc.com
and find the article I wrote about all HD content protection (issue # 4), it shows a graph with all
possible corners of cable/satellite/OTA protection rules, and protection transformations along the
signal path to get to the viewer (due to magazine copyrights I can not paste the article here, my
own article).
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:58 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Rodolfo,
Thanks again for your explanation. I was hoping Displays that would
include DVR's might eventually let you record whatever signal that was being
fed to it. It sounds like that, due to copy protection would never let that
occur.
Thanks Again,
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:31 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Larry,
Regarding your statement: "So what I thought is correct is that the only way
that set can record HD
is when the signal is received over their supplied tuner".
I did not address that part, I just addressed the fact that you wanted a
satellite signal feeding
the unit.
It might happen that the set can receive 1394 from an external device and
let the signal be recorded
by its internal DVR, I did not do that research because the satellite
limitation was enough to
address your question.
A quick look at the user manual on their web site could provide the answer.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:07 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Rodolfo,
Thanks for your, as always, detailed response. I did not buy this display
and your answer confirmed what I figured would be the case.
So what I thought is correct is that the only way that set can record HD is
when the signal is received over their supplied tuner.
I also agree that the most "universal" way for the Manufacturers to provide
displays would be to provide a "monitor" only and let the customer concern
himself with providing the signal to be feed it (as well dispensing with
those cheap speakers included with the sets). That also would be best in
cost options for the consumer.
Thanks Again!!
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:33 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Larry,
Without getting into the features of connectivity/external acceptance of
that model in particular I
believe that a general response could provide you with the information you
need, unfortunately, as
follows:
The HDTV does not have a satellite tuner, no TV has, except for first
generations RCA HDTV CRTs back
in the late 90s. Which means you need an external HD-STB for satellite to
tune the channel.
The problem is how do you take that signal out of that HD-STB for recording,
these boxes are famous
for their of lack 1394 outputs, no HD-STB for satellite can take an HD
signal out via 1394 in
compressed form for external recording, other than certain modification the
company www.169time.com
does to some satellite STBs to provide exactly that capability, expensive
though, which I do not
think is your case.
The satellite box would typically give you component analog, VGA 15 pin
D-sub, DVI or HDMI,
connections, but no 1394. Cable and OTA boxes do, they are mandated by the
FCC (actually, satellite
was mandated as well but they fly under the radar ignoring the small print
in the footnotes of the
official FCC documents, but that is for another book).
So regardless if your Mitsubishi "was or not" beautifully equipped with
external ability to receive
1394 from outside sources and store it on the internal DVR (in addition to
store what it tunes), and
regardless the extra money you paid for OTA and Cable integrated tuners you
might not need, and for
the DVR, and for the 1394 HAVi network, if you are a satellite subscriber
you are unable to use all
that functionality for your primary purpose of recording satellite, because
there is no way you can
take the HD signal out from the satellite HD-STB to feed your Mitsu, or to
feed an external
DVR/D-VHS for the case. The only option would be an HD-DVR satellite STB,
duplicating the Mitsu DVR
cost, and the OTA tuner cost.
Have you hear from me over the years the pros/cons about the extra cost of
integration (now
complicated with internal DVRs) for satellite subscribers? Sorry your
pocket is finding it the hard
way.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Larry Megugorac
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:28 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Mitsubishi VideWD-62927 : 62"
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Rodolfo and Richard,
The 2006 Mits Micro-Displays are said to come with ATSC tuners and 250 GB HD
DVR. Can these displays even record HD from a Satellite source or just the
Cable Card slot they come with?
Thanks,
Larry
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