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Response to Robert about 1080p over HDMI (and DVI)

Started by Rodolfo • Sep 15, 2005 • 12 posts
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#1
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At 08:50 PM 9/14/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks Robert for the background of how you got this information,
>the ones that provided it are
>wrong, HDMI supports 1080p, and DVI as well.

Thank you, Rodolfo, for the clarification on this matter. Yes, a lot
of people at CEDIA were claiming that "HDMI does not yet support
1080p and when it does we'll provide products with that specification."

Obviously, they are wrong because there have been a bunch of products
which generate 1080p through HDMI connections and have ever since the
connector was introduced. There were a lot of scalers shown, for
example, that produce 1080p output and the connector is HDMI so this
is obvious. I'm going to be purchasing one such unit, the DVDO
iScanVP30, their new HD scaler, when it comes out later this month,
mostly for its switching capabilities since it offers me a "one cable
solution" for digital output. The number of 1080p displays that do
not yet support 1080p input (because they lack the necessary chip set
at the HDMI input to do this) was a bit surprising. Once again, some
of the vendors claimed that this was because "HDMI doesn't support
1080p yet" After reading through a large portion of the HDMI v1.2
Specification Volume I think that these people (some vendors) are
misrepresenting HDMI because they are quoting the "minimum specs"
rather than giving us the whole picture. Obviously implementing
1080p inputs involves some additional circuitry to accomplish this
and I suspect a bit of cost cutting here (although I can't imagine
that it could be that much).

Like you and the HDMI people said, this is misleading information
and, in the long run, does a disservice to people trying to sort all
of this out. It's not HDMI that is holding back 1080p inputs, but
the manufacturers who refuse to supply the necessary circuitry.

I'll spread the word as best that I can. There is no reason not to
include 1080p inputs on display devices capable of handling 1080p
information. And blaming it on lack of 1080p source material or
misrepresenting HDMI specs doesn't help one bit (no pun
intended). Based on this scenario I'm going to re-think any decision
to purchase one of SONY's newly introduced SXRD 50" sets since they
lack 1080p input. I saw a nice HP Monitor that does have 1080p
inputs and I might just have to rethink my position on this whole
matter. True, right now I'm probably going to feed whatever new set
I get something less than 1080p and the set (or an external scaler)
will scale it up to 1080p. However, it won't be long before 1080p
content is out there in greater amounts (maybe the Sony Playstation 3
with Blu-Ray capability??) and when that happens it doesn't make
sense to down scale the signal so that a 1080p display that doesn't
handle 1080p input can upscale the image to 1080p after it enters the
set. That's two steps that are not needed and can only cause
unwanted side effects and picture degradation.

Keep the faith and spread the word!


-- RAF


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Thanks Robert for the background of how you got this information, the ones that provided it are
wrong, HDMI supports 1080p, and DVI as well.

By the way I did not go to CEDIA, I am working on the CES report and this year is overwhelming.

Samsung (H. Chris Kim, VP, PDP Sales & Marketing) declared a similar claim to justify why their
1080p sets do not accept 1080p on the Display Search conference, when he finished and in private I
set him straight, he then declared that the information "that was supplied to him" might have been
wrong and I told him "you bet it was and they can not blame HDMI" for their lack of vision, too late
by then, his speech is recorded on HDNet now.

I have been working closely with Silicon Image for quite a bit Robert, I work mainly with Paul Wolf,
one of the main engineers that wrote the HDMI specs since day one, that is the level I want for my
discussions, purely technical. All of the specs I wrote about DVI and HDMI were published yearly
since 2003 and again on my CES 2005 report (section of digital connectivity, pages 116 to 121).

Last year, with the mess some journalists were creating with their claims of "only stereo HDMI", I
decided to fight back with the complete true and asked Paul to work with me, the 2005 report
DVI/HDMI subject was validated word by word by Silicon Image, it is all there in the digital
connectivity section. Paul also helped on completing the inner details of the new receiver chips.

In other words, this game of blaming growing specifications, and old chips manufacturers still use
while their first stage on TVs can not handle the bandwidth of 1080p (not the cable, not the
connector, not the specs, not Silicon Image) is a mess that does not help the decision making of
consumers, and those are the people I stand for, no one else.

I just crossed emails with Paul again and he confirmed my position a few minutes ago as follows:

---------------------

Rodolfo,

You are correct about HDMI's 1080p capability - it has always been there
(this is also true of DVI single-link). 1080p is 148MHz pixel rate and
HDMI/DVI single-link were spec'd at 165MHz pixel rate.

Samsung has made that statement in the past and we've corrected them.
Either the message is too embedded within Samsung or else they are just
trying to deflect criticism from their own product decisions, or, most
likely, it's just a matter of wishful thinking that it's the spec's
fault and not theirs. In any case, the spec has always supported it and
there have been receiver chips that support it for well over a year now.
Anything you can do to make that clear would be appreciated.

_Paul

-------------------------

I hope we can all set all these people straight one by one to help on this confusion that hits the
pockets of consumers all the time, if you need me I am here.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra



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Dr Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:01 AM
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At 12:23 AM 9/14/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for the information, Sony would be on a better competitive
>position bringing down their 1080p
>prices.
>
>Please provide a source to support your comment that the HDMI
>standard does not yet implement 1080p.

Hello Rodolfo,

Sorry we didn't link up at CEDIA. I was so busy (as I'm sure you
were) that this would have been difficult. Maybe next time.

As to HDMI not yet implementing 1080p in its current version (1.2 as
of 08/22/05) I was surprised to learn of this since I just assumed
that HDMI was supporting 1080p at the moment. When I went to Michael
Heiss' always interesting and sometimes enlightening "New
Technologies" presentation he was talking about the latest version of
the standard (1.2) which has added SACD audio to the mix. (1.1 added
DVD-A). He then threw out the comment that 1080p support "wouldn't
be implemented for another 16 or 24 months" and I was shocked to
learn this. I always assumed that 1080p is already part of the
implemented minimum standard and not something that is optional at
this point. So I went to my copy of the HDMI 1.2 standard and found
this in Section 6 (starting on page 67):

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Note: I tried to cut and paste the appropriate section here but the
list will only accept plain text and kept spitting my reply back to me.)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------

I don't see 1080p listed there anywhere. Of course I realize that
this is just the minimum video standard and it doesn't prevent
manufacturers from passing 1080p out through their HDMI outputs (or
accepting 1080p in through HDMI inputs). It's just not yet a
requirement so one can't just assume that if you connect equipment
via HDMI you always have the capability of giving or receiving
HDMI. One more thing to confuse the average consumer.

Naturally there are some manufacturers providing 1080p output via
HDMI. At CEDIA I saw that magnificent Classe CDP-300 DVD player that
outputs 1080p via its internal scaler (an eye-opener both visually
and performance wise for those with deep pockets at $6500). I'm also
going to be purchasing a DVDO iScanVP300 when it is released later in
the month. This versatile digital scaler/switcher outputs 1080p via
HDMI. And the list goes on.

In reading over my original message I now realize that when I stated
that "the HDMI standard doesn't yet implement it" I probably should
have said "the HDMI standard doesn't yet REQUIRE it" when talking
about 1080p. What I mean is that the vast majority of new 1080p sets
that I saw have HDMI digital inputs but that doesn't guarantee that
these inputs can accept 1080p. The signal can be sent over the wire,
of course, but if the set doesn't have the chip sets to handle 1080p
it doesn't mean a thing. The form doesn't guarantee the function, if
you know what I mean. Until there are a lot of native 1080p sources
out there I'm not too concerned about my 1080p set accepting native
1080p (I'm leaning toward a 50" SXRD SONY to replace my PRO-75 as I
mentioned in my previous post). Yes, I realize that this limits me
to the performance of SONY's internal scaler to create the 1080p
picture (which looked good to me) and doesn't give me the option of
using an external scaler to create the 1080p for pass-through to the
SXRD. But since technology never stands still, by the time that
1080p inputs are standard across the board there will be improvements
in other areas that might require an upgrade path. One never buys a
piece of equipment forever. I think that the fact that I got 15
years out of my Pioneer PRO-75 RPM very fortuitous, and my grandkids
(without critical eyes) will enjoy this 4:3 set for many years to
come. I'll focus my 1080p input device acquisition to my front
projector, but I have no problem waiting for some time since my
current projector (Runco CL-710) is doing just fine at 720p and 1080p
projectors will be way out of my price range for some time to come.

I hope this clears up some of my ambiguous comments.

Take care.



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Robert, the VP30 looks very interesting...it even appears to accept
digital input (HDMI) and output analog HD. If this is true, it would
mean those of us with component-only TVs could watch DVI/HDMI-only
devices. I wonder if this is only possible because the broadcast flag
was shot down.

At almost $2k it's expensive, but is it the magic black box we've been
looking for?

jason

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Dr Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:03 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Response to Robert about 1080p over HDMI (and DVI)

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At 08:50 PM 9/14/2005 -0400, you wrote:
I'm going to be purchasing one such unit, the DVDO iScanVP30, their new
HD scaler, when it comes out later this month, mostly for its switching
capabilities since it offers me a "one cable solution" for digital
output.

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Nice try...

"The iScan VP30 does process an HDCP-encrypted signal and output the
signal on the HDMI output with the HDCP encryption intact. If the
input signal is HDCP-encrypted then the analog outputs of the iScan
VP30 must be turned off for legal constraints."

http://www.dvdo.com/faq/faq_isvp30.php

On Sep 15, 2005, at 12:13 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Robert, the VP30 looks very interesting...it even appears to accept
> digital input (HDMI) and output analog HD. If this is true, it would
> mean those of us with component-only TVs could watch DVI/HDMI-only
> devices. I wonder if this is only possible because the broadcast flag
> was shot down.
>

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Robert,

You have covered the subject well, and I am glad that you see all the issues I was talking all
along.

TV manufacturers design cheaply their set's input stage (after they get the signal from the HDMI
connector) to handle it as 1080i with a lower bandwidth requirement. It is also a way to help
release the next line that has that improvement and charge more for it, or find a reason to maintain
price ranges that otherwise should go down naturally due to time (add new features and have
consumers pay the same they did for the previous model).

Processing correctly signals at 1080p level requires a lot of juice and smart processing. I had an
exchange with Faroudja when all this non-sense started almost a year ago and it gave me one more
reason for trusting what a company like them do for quality video, and they did 1080p for a good
number of years for hi end CRT projectors.

Triggered by this mess I responded to the help Paul from Silicon Image requested, I decided I will
be working with them on a paper/article that hopefully would help the public know better these HDMI
and DVI issues, this work would be in addition to the material I already wrote and I have to update
to include these issues.

And of course the impact on HDMI specs and chips due to new codecs like the recently introduced "DD
True HD" lossless multi-channel codec that will use HDMI and 1394 for transport (or the stupid multi
analog wiring of DVD-A), but no coax and Toslink, they would not carry that signal. You see, this
gets messy every day, it use to be that one had to change a receiver to get DTS when having only DD,
those were internal decoders, now one to add to that the connection spec and sender/receiver HDMI
chip into the equation of the "evolution" of new video/audio codecs/advances, imagine changing a
$5000 receiver just for that, reason by which modularity by using removable cards on expensive
equipment (like a PC) is the way to go to have some chance of "not loosing that much".

The problem I have is lack of time, I am in the middle of the prep for the CES 2006 report, and I
was requested to complete a number of articles, one about 1080p, that I have no way to wrap up, so I
am giving priority to the dynamic medium on the Tips list to get the points across hoping that the
effort gets distributed wider.

When you look into 1080p sets do not forget to look into Brillian LCoS new RPTV, it has 1080p
inputs, and also the newer 1080p JVC 70" DILA HD70FH96 that has now dropped its anticipated price of
$9000 to just $6000, no 1080p input on specs
http://www.jvc.com/press/index.jsp?item=470&pageID=1
As well as the new Toshibas and Mitsus.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra
















-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Dr Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:03 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Response to Robert about 1080p over HDMI (and DVI)


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At 08:50 PM 9/14/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks Robert for the background of how you got this information,
>the ones that provided it are
>wrong, HDMI supports 1080p, and DVI as well.

Thank you, Rodolfo, for the clarification on this matter. Yes, a lot
of people at CEDIA were claiming that "HDMI does not yet support
1080p and when it does we'll provide products with that specification."

Obviously, they are wrong because there have been a bunch of products
which generate 1080p through HDMI connections and have ever since the
connector was introduced. There were a lot of scalers shown, for
example, that produce 1080p output and the connector is HDMI so this
is obvious. I'm going to be purchasing one such unit, the DVDO
iScanVP30, their new HD scaler, when it comes out later this month,
mostly for its switching capabilities since it offers me a "one cable
solution" for digital output. The number of 1080p displays that do
not yet support 1080p input (because they lack the necessary chip set
at the HDMI input to do this) was a bit surprising. Once again, some
of the vendors claimed that this was because "HDMI doesn't support
1080p yet" After reading through a large portion of the HDMI v1.2
Specification Volume I think that these people (some vendors) are
misrepresenting HDMI because they are quoting the "minimum specs"
rather than giving us the whole picture. Obviously implementing
1080p inputs involves some additional circuitry to accomplish this
and I suspect a bit of cost cutting here (although I can't imagine
that it could be that much).

Like you and the HDMI people said, this is misleading information
and, in the long run, does a disservice to people trying to sort all
of this out. It's not HDMI that is holding back 1080p inputs, but
the manufacturers who refuse to supply the necessary circuitry.

I'll spread the word as best that I can. There is no reason not to
include 1080p inputs on display devices capable of handling 1080p
information. And blaming it on lack of 1080p source material or
misrepresenting HDMI specs doesn't help one bit (no pun
intended). Based on this scenario I'm going to re-think any decision
to purchase one of SONY's newly introduced SXRD 50" sets since they
lack 1080p input. I saw a nice HP Monitor that does have 1080p
inputs and I might just have to rethink my position on this whole
matter. True, right now I'm probably going to feed whatever new set
I get something less than 1080p and the set (or an external scaler)
will scale it up to 1080p. However, it won't be long before 1080p
content is out there in greater amounts (maybe the Sony Playstation 3
with Blu-Ray capability??) and when that happens it doesn't make
sense to down scale the signal so that a 1080p display that doesn't
handle 1080p input can upscale the image to 1080p after it enters the
set. That's two steps that are not needed and can only cause
unwanted side effects and picture degradation.

Keep the faith and spread the word!


-- RAF


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Jason,

The unit does not do that with protected content. I met them at Display Search and talked about
exactly this subject.

I would not count the MPAA out of the broadcast flag because of the court ruling against the FCC,
the storm is coming back stronger than it started, look at the new effort MS is doing for protection
and the new Hi Def DVD multi-layer of protection that would self destroy players, the MPAA is all
over to make sure they cover all the bases, and licensing CSS, DTCP, and HDCP is one of their tools
to control manufacturing freedom (comply or close your business due to no license).

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:13 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Response to Robert about 1080p over HDMI (and DVI)


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Robert, the VP30 looks very interesting...it even appears to accept
digital input (HDMI) and output analog HD. If this is true, it would
mean those of us with component-only TVs could watch DVI/HDMI-only
devices. I wonder if this is only possible because the broadcast flag
was shot down.

At almost $2k it's expensive, but is it the magic black box we've been
looking for?

jason

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Dr Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:03 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Response to Robert about 1080p over HDMI (and DVI)

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At 08:50 PM 9/14/2005 -0400, you wrote:
I'm going to be purchasing one such unit, the DVDO iScanVP30, their new
HD scaler, when it comes out later this month, mostly for its switching
capabilities since it offers me a "one cable solution" for digital
output.

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I'm trading in my IscanHD+ for $1000 toward the VP30. DVDO has a generous
trade in program. But for 1080P it still does bob and weave to convert 1080i
to 1080P, not that my Samsung 6168 will accept 1080P over the HDMI. But I
guess for non HDCP content I'll hopefully be able to input 1080P through the
VGA port since it will accept 1080P on that input. But I've only used it
with a PC so far at 1080P to view som WMV-HD clips. I never got my iscanHD+
to output the proper scan rate at 1080P for the TV to accept it.

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From: "Steve Martin" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: Response to Robert about 1080p over HDMI (and DVI)


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>
> Nice try...
>
> "The iScan VP30 does process an HDCP-encrypted signal and output the
> signal on the HDMI output with the HDCP encryption intact. If the input
> signal is HDCP-encrypted then the analog outputs of the iScan VP30 must
> be turned off for legal constraints."
>
> http://www.dvdo.com/faq/faq_isvp30.php
>
> On Sep 15, 2005, at 12:13 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robert, the VP30 looks very interesting...it even appears to accept
>> digital input (HDMI) and output analog HD. If this is true, it would
>> mean those of us with component-only TVs could watch DVI/HDMI-only
>> devices. I wonder if this is only possible because the broadcast flag
>> was shot down.
>>
>
> --
> Steve Martin
> [email protected]
>
>
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At 12:13 AM 9/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert, the VP30 looks very interesting...it even appears to accept
>digital input (HDMI) and output analog HD. If this is true, it would
>mean those of us with component-only TVs could watch DVI/HDMI-only
>devices. I wonder if this is only possible because the broadcast flag
>was shot down.
>
>At almost $2k it's expensive, but is it the magic black box we've been
>looking for?

Jason,

As others have pointed out, nice try but no cigar. We can't play
"Steal the Flag" with the VP30! ;)

The VP30 looks to be a very versatile performer (they had it in
action at CEDIA) and it is a perfect solution for my digital
switching and scaling needs now and in the immediate future. With
long length digital cables (over 100 feet if you require that) now
coming into the marketplace (check ACCELL and others) I can now reach
my Front Projector from the equipment rack (about a 60' run to get
the wire from front to back and up to the ceiling without being
obvious) so I want to run one wire and send all my video signals to
the FP digital input. The VP30 contains some of the latest
technology and should improve on the internal scaler of my Runco
CL-710 (which, while not bad, has chips that are probably 3-4 years
old in scaling technology). Also, by going to an external scaler I
can keep ahead of the upgrade curve since, as someone mentioned,
iScan has a very nice upgrade policy, etc.

One last note which may or may not be important to you. DVDO is
offering the VP-30 on their site for pre-order at 10% off with a
"free" cable thrown it (offer ends tonight). Unless you know a
dealer and are willing to wait until the dealer pricing is announced
this is one way to lessen the cost a bit.



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At 01:25 AM 9/15/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>You have covered the subject well, and I am glad that you see all
>the issues I was talking all
>along....

Rodolfo,

Yes, I've been following what you have been saying in the 1080p
"misinformation" wars and we are definitely on the same page
regarding the misconceptions and false information being
disseminated. I think a bit of this is due to semantics but I can't
dismiss the fact that some manufacturers are taking advantage of the
HDMI spec mentioning "minimum" standards. These manufacturers use
this excuse to not add chips and associated circuitry to their HDMI
inputs that would allow 1080p pass through now. The bottom line is
the prime mover here, I suspect. As I'm not interested in sending
audio over the HDMI cable (I'll send it through my pre-pro as I do
now) I've decided that I will focus on those manufacturers that offer
1080p input to their 1080p sets. There are enough choices out there
right now for me to look closely (thanks for your suggestions on
additional manufacturers) and by the time I'm ready to spring for a
new 1080p RPM to replace my "ancient" PRO-75 (probably this winter)
I'm sure the selection will be even greater.

Keep spreading the word and maybe, just maybe, the savvy consumer
will insist on 1080p inputs for 1080p displays for all the reasons
that we have been talking about and more.


-- RAF


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At 11:16 AM 9/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a D-VHS, Cable, Satellite, and computer with digital video
>output. I wonder if I connect them all to the VP30, and output component
>to my TV, if and when will the signal not work? Would I be able to watch
>any or all of these signals?

I would assume that if there isn't any sort of copyright protection
on these signals that all should work. Supposedly the VP30 runs on
the theory of "any rez in - any rez out" and as long as each of your
sources works connected to your TV now it should also work when fed
through the VP30. What you gain here is only needing one cable to
the TV. Additionally, if the VP30 has better scaling capabilities
(newer chips) than any of your sources you could also ask the VP30 do
the scaling on selected inputs instead of simply acting as a
pass-through switching device. The menus that I saw at the DVDO
booth at CEDIA were extremely straightforward.

Remember, of course, that this product hasn't been released yet but
we were told that we were viewing a finished product, not a prototype.

Hope this helps.


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I have a D-VHS, Cable, Satellite, and computer with digital video
output. I wonder if I connect them all to the VP30, and output component
to my TV, if and when will the signal not work? Would I be able to watch
any or all of these signals?



Jason Burroughs


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Dr Robert A Fowkes
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:02 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Response to Robert about 1080p over HDMI (and DVI)

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At 12:13 AM 9/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert, the VP30 looks very interesting...it even appears to accept
>digital input (HDMI) and output analog HD. If this is true, it would
>mean those of us with component-only TVs could watch DVI/HDMI-only
>devices. I wonder if this is only possible because the broadcast flag
>was shot down.
>
>At almost $2k it's expensive, but is it the magic black box we've been
>looking for?

Jason,

As others have pointed out, nice try but no cigar. We can't play
"Steal the Flag" with the VP30! ;)

The VP30 looks to be a very versatile performer (they had it in
action at CEDIA) and it is a perfect solution for my digital
switching and scaling needs now and in the immediate future. With
long length digital cables (over 100 feet if you require that) now
coming into the marketplace (check ACCELL and others) I can now reach
my Front Projector from the equipment rack (about a 60' run to get
the wire from front to back and up to the ceiling without being
obvious) so I want to run one wire and send all my video signals to
the FP digital input. The VP30 contains some of the latest
technology and should improve on the internal scaler of my Runco
CL-710 (which, while not bad, has chips that are probably 3-4 years
old in scaling technology). Also, by going to an external scaler I
can keep ahead of the upgrade curve since, as someone mentioned,
iScan has a very nice upgrade policy, etc.

One last note which may or may not be important to you. DVDO is
offering the VP-30 on their site for pre-order at 10% off with a
"free" cable thrown it (offer ends tonight). Unless you know a
dealer and are willing to wait until the dealer pricing is announced
this is one way to lessen the cost a bit.



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My problem is that I have 4 digital devices and an analog tv. I'm using
the analog outputs on my digital devices through the inday switcher, but
would love to be able to use digital outputs to the vp30. I emailed
iscan about which devices are going to be using hdcp and I'll report
back.

I'm assuming this is the same problem as those with dvi that are
non-hdcp compliant.

So my question is still: which devices and software (ie cable providers)
use hdcp and which don't...?

Jason Burroughs


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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:24 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Response to Robert about 1080p over HDMI (and DVI)

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At 11:16 AM 9/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a D-VHS, Cable, Satellite, and computer with digital video
>output. I wonder if I connect them all to the VP30, and output
component
>to my TV, if and when will the signal not work? Would I be able to
watch
>any or all of these signals?

I would assume that if there isn't any sort of copyright protection
on these signals that all should work. Supposedly the VP30 runs on
the theory of "any rez in - any rez out" and as long as each of your
sources works connected to your TV now it should also work when fed
through the VP30. What you gain here is only needing one cable to
the TV. Additionally, if the VP30 has better scaling capabilities
(newer chips) than any of your sources you could also ask the VP30 do
the scaling on selected inputs instead of simply acting as a
pass-through switching device. The menus that I saw at the DVDO
booth at CEDIA were extremely straightforward.

Remember, of course, that this product hasn't been released yet but
we were told that we were viewing a finished product, not a prototype.

Hope this helps.


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