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Bob,
I agree with you. The buzz generated by theatrical viewing is what drives high DVD sales.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: B Car <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:45:30
To:HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The Broadcast Flag
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Richard, I have no argument with any of your
comments in the Library post. And though it may
seem a contradiction to my previous TIPS post, I
concur with your observations.
However, I draw a fine line of exception between
the general public and ardent advocates of
Digital-HDTV, such as yourself and other regular
TIPS members. As I previously stated, I seldom
visit the local movie theaters any more.
But if I didn't have my 53-inch RPT with Dolby
Digital, I probably would pay to see more of the
spectacular movies.
I can understand how the report might state that
attendence is down 17 percent, yet box-office
gross receipts continue to bring in the mulitple
millions - the price of a single ticket keeps
increasing.
Hugh's post reminded me of the "Death Sentence"
that was issued concerning the future of movie
theaters during the early Sixties. Once Color TV
became established as the preferred source of home
entertainment, movie-going dropped off so severly
that local theaters were closing by the dozens in
towns across the country. The doom-sayers
predicted the early demise of Hollywood's movie
industry. Now, almost 40 years later, the
multiplex cinemas devour movies faster than
Hollywood can turn them out.
But one can envision a radical change in what is
offered by local theaters - as you referenced -
the "IMAX" theater experience may become the next
new standard. Especially as more and more
consumers are able to experience "true" HDTV (or
Video/Audio Quality that approaches HDTV) in their
own living rooms. There will have to be some
greater incentive to draw people into the
theaters; similar to Hollywood turning to the
"WIDE-SCREEN" (Panorama - Cinemascope) aspect,
(and their brief, ill-fated experiment with 3-D)
in order to recapture the TV viewers.
But all of this will become "moot" a hundred years
from now. By then everyone will have an embedded
"neural-chip" with an HDMI-type input... after
paying an annual subscription fee, one will simply
"connect" to their preferred "signal-source" and
be immediately immersed within a Virtual-Reality
Experience of their choice. It will certainly
make all of our "discussions" and concerns about
HDTV seem ridiculous! (But we will be long gone
by then, so will be spared any embarassment) For
now, we will have to be content with 'plain-old'
HDTV... Ahh - if we could only get HDTV! :>)
All the best;
Bob C.
[email protected]
http://HDTVInfoPort.com
HDTV Demystified!
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard
To: HDTV Magazine
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
Broadcast Flag
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
On that note check out this news item...
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5349
Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
B Car wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Before DVD's replace or cause the closing of
> Movie
> Theaters, some major changes will have to take
> place in the mind set of the general public.
> Just
> observe the 2-day, 3-day, or 4-day gross theater
> receipts for the Top 3 to 6 new movie openings.
> Depending on the type an quality of the
> individual
> films it is common to see figures in the range
> of:
> $30 Million - $22 Million - $18 Million - $12
> Million; and even the low grossing movies return
> $5 Million and up. Mind you, this is usually
> just
> for the opening weekend, and only for the TOP
> several films; the total dollars for the
> following
> weeks - prior to release on DVD are generally
> only
> mentioned for the super block-buster movies.
> And before anyone comments about the
> $multiple-millions these films cost to produce,
> that is additional evidence that this is a
> business that is not about to go under ... these
> Millions of dollars to produce a movie would not
> be invested if the producers didn't believe the
> could make a substantial profit.
> I, personally, am not a frequent theater-patron;
> it amazes me that so many people do pay to view
> movies in theaters. Theaters continue to draw
> incredible lines of customers waiting to eagerly
> pay $9.00 and UP
> to see a 90 - 120 minute movie. If you haven't
> noticed, take a look at the average
> "movie-theater" in most communities - they have
> become huge multiplexes, capable of showing
> dozens
> of movies simultaneously. When is the last time
> you saw reports of empty theaters? The time may
> come when movie-theaters are declared extinct -
> but I don't think they are on the
> "endangered-species" list yet. Movie-going is
> probably a cultural phenomena deeply embedded
> within society; perhaps in part due to the
> natural
> "herd-instinct" ... and the experience of
> viewing
> movies on the "Big" - uh, make that "Gigantic"
> Screen, with the overwhelming Audio blasting
> from
> every direction, while clutching a "Super-sized
> Barrel" of pop-corn - that cost as much as the
> admittance ticket!
> Interestingly, while box-office revenues
> increase,
> so too, DVD sales and rentals continue to soar.
> The more important question may be, how long can
> Hollywood continue to feed the public's
> voracious
> appetite for non-stop entertainment? After
> HD-TV
> & HD-Movies, what's left? Bring back the Roman
> Games?
>
> Life's great - isn't it?
>
> all the best;
>
> Bob C.
> [email protected]
> http://HDTVInfoPort.com
> HDTV Demystified!
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hugh Campbell
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
> Broadcast Flag
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Doug,
>
> That is a very interesting scenario; however, I
> believe MPAA, etc. are
> trying to prevent something from happening that
> they assume will happen and
> not something that has already taken place. If
> you have so called perfect
> copies of movies floating around the internet (a
> big assumption) the studios
> will lose hundred of millions in lost revenue
> from
> the sale of DVD's. DVD's
> have taken over the movie business or at least
> they are about to wipe out
> theaters.....in my opinion. A recent survey
> showed that 75% of the public
> would rather watch a movie at home rather than
> go
> to a theater. With High
> Definition DVD's soon to take over and with HDTV
> people will be able to
> watch a picture at home that looks and sounds as
> good as one in a theater.
>
> MPAA knows what happened with songs and napster
> and they are trying to
> prevent even the chance that it might happen to
> them with movies. Many
> actors get a piece of the action so this is not
> only a studio problem but
> also an actors problem......or so they think.
>
> Look at it this way, if you had a patented
> product
> you were selling and some
> new technology was coming along that might
> possibly duplicate your product
> very cheaply by millions of people rendering
> your
> product worthless to you,
> you'd be trying to protect it from being copied
> as
> well.
>
> Personally, I believe that if it comes into my
> house I can do with it as I
> please unless I try to sell it but I can
> understand MPAA's concern until
> they find out it is not going to happen to
> them.
> Too much money at stake
> for them to take a chance on what might happen.
>
> Hugh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Weil" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
> Broadcast Flag
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>I'm reposting a note that I sent to the list the
>>last time the Broadcast
>>Flag discussion came up. I don't think it ever
>>appeared here, as my eMail
>>bounced back to me and I wasn't able to figure
>>out why. And then, the
>
> second
>
>>send attempt also bounced.
>>
>>Hopefully this will make it through this time.
>>But if you've seen this
>
> note
>
>>previously, I apologize for the repeat.
>>
>>The reason for trying to post this again is that
>>I'd like to see someone
>>throw down the gauntlet to the broadcast
>>industry and the Hollywood
>
> studios
>
>>and challenge them document, in an auditable
>>fashion, just a single
>
> instance
>
>>where the current copyright protection regime is
>>causing tangible,
>>dollars-and-cents damage totaling $100 million.
>>Keep reading and you'll
>
> see
>
>>why I've chosen that particularly benchmark for
>>damage.
>>
>>Of course, I do believe that there is some
>>revenue lost as a result of
>>unauthorized use of copyrighted works, but I
>>think that legitimate
>>time-shifting by consumers, and even the
>>subsequent secondary "illicit"
>>distribution that results from virtually
>>unchecked consumer copying, is
>>completely and utterly innocuous when you look
>>at the big picture.
>>
>>I think my Seinfeld example below is a very
>>good, though by no means
>>perfect, example of how widespread consumer
>>copying actually does little
>
> to
>
>>harm the market value of a television series or
>>theatrical release, so
>
> long
>
>>as that creative work is something that people
>>actually value enough want
>
> to
>
>>own the genuine article.
>>
>>And while it's not perfect, I believe my
>>scenario is certainly a better
>>illustration of the "no damage" argument than
>>anything that's been offered
>>up as justification for over-controlling,
>>anal-retentive nonsense such as
>>the broadcast flag.
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>Let's consider the recently issued "Seinfeld"
>>DVD box set.
>>
>>Can anyone think of a recent television series
>>that has had more exposure
>>than "Seinfeld" since it first went into
>>syndication in the early 1990s? I
>>think it's reasonable to estimate that each and
>>every episode of
>
> "Seinfeld"
>
>>has been shown in every single television market
>>in the US at least 200
>>times. As a result, every "Seinfeld" episode has
>>been videotaped, DVRed,
>>burned to DVD, or "bit-torrented" around the
>>globe a few billion times.
>>
>>I really think it would be impossible to
>>exaggerate how EASY it is for
>>anyone, anywhere on the planet, at any moment in
>>time, to watch "Seinfeld"
>>-- because those shows are so readily available.
>>
>>So, to hear the MPAA or NAB talk, it would be a
>>complete and utter waste
>
> of
>
>>time for a studio to even think about issuing
>>the "Seinfeld" series on DVD
>>or videotape, never mind actually printing up
>>the discs, dubbing the tapes
>>and developing a marketing campaign -- because
>>there's obviously no way
>
> that
>
>>anyone would pay good money for a product that's
>>been so widely available
>
> to
>
>>the public and continues to be easily accessible
>>at virtually a moment's
>>notice.
>>
>>But guess what? The initial "Seinfeld" box set,
>>issued at the end of 2004,
>>has sold nearly 3 million units and generated
>>revenues of almost $100
>>million. It is the second or third best-selling
>>TV show available on DVD,
>>and the upcoming release of the fourth disc is
>>expected to put it over the
>>top as number one.
>>
>>If "Seinfeld" can survive the on-air
>>over-saturation it has endured and
>
> the
>
>>"illegitimate" copying and redistribution that
>>it's been subjected to as a
>>result, how could any other worthwhile video
>>property be threatened by
>>consumer time-shifting and copying?
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>Doug
>>Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>>
>>Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
>>Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
>>
>>eMail: [email protected]
>>Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
>>
>>Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
>>http://www.imagingscience.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine
>> On
>>Behalf Of
>
> B
>
>>Car
>>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:21
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
>>Broadcast Flag
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Well - I hope you Feel better now, having gotten
>>in your political digs... While it is
>>unfortunate
>>that politics is totally entwined around
>>Digital-HDTV (and most everything else that
>>affects "we the people!") this simple
>>illustrates - once again - that there is no
>>point
>>in introducing one's individual political
>>thoughts
>>into a civil discussion. It cannot be that
>>difficult to stay "politically neutral" in this
>>type of forum. We can go for months at a time
>>without any politics being interjected; but let
>>one person try to 'sneak' in a quick gibe from
>>their personal bias - and KABOOM! Certainly
>>there's no way to completely eliminate politics
>>from this topic - the politicians are among the
>>major players - plus the Federal Government.
>>But
>>it shouldn't be difficult to restrain one's self
>>from adding their own editorial 'wacks' at the
>>opposition - this is merely self-serving at
>>best!
>>All that one can hope to get out of doing this,
>>is
>>a momentary satisfaction - until someone on the
>>other side "wacks" back - harder and uglier.
>>But
>>I'm not looking at things through "rose-colored"
>>glasses. I have no illusion that anything I say
>>will cause anyone to "suddenly see the light" of
>>reason, and we all live happily ever after! :>)
>>Political gibes are like mosquito-bites... once
>>bitten the tendency is to scratch the itch!
>>Thus, if you feel the itch is so unbearable you
>>have to stike back, okay... but bear in mind
>>that
>>neither side of the political spectrum has clean
>>hands. They all have boody hands!
>>(Especially "you-know-who" from
>>"you-know-where")
>>... fill in the names that fit best with your
>>preferences!
>>
>>All the best...
>>Bob C.
>>[email protected]
>>http://HDTVInfoPort.com
>>HDTV Demystified!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Original Message -----
>>From: Erik Gaderlund
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 6:20 AM
>>Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
>>Broadcast Flag
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Actually not really. It seems despite here
>>'liberal' upbrinning,
>>she's just as beholden to her local industries,
>>and carries water for
>>them. But, it's weird that the other side, the
>>party of private
>>property and rights and responsibilities, would
>>not want to infringe
>>on one's 'fair use' rights, but, I guess 'follow
>>the money'.
>>
>>erik g
>>
>>At 05:32 PM -0700 06/24/05, Bob Caplan wrote:
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Erik,
>>>
>>>Well, maybe you were going tongue in cheek
>>>here,
>>>but
>>>Feinstein is a Democrat from San Francisco. In
>>>fact,
>>>she is a former mayor of the same city. She
>>>is,
>>>obviously, a favorite here in California. I
>>>agree
>>>with you on the bipartison BS.
>>>
>>>Bobby C
>>>
>>>--- Erik Gaderlund <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> Well, actually Feinstein (D-Hollywood) is
>>>>pretty
>>>> well bought by the
>>>> MPAA/RIAA (like Sen. Hatch R-Disney who's
>>>>been
>>>>going
>>>> after 'fair use'
>>>> for his corporate sponsors), so she'll most
>>>>likely
>>>> be the
>>>> (co-)sponsor of whatever new BF amendment
>>>>that
>>>>comes
>>>> out. It shows
>>>> that Democrat or Repub, both side pretty
>>>>much
>>>>make a
>>>> mockery of
>>>> campaign finance.
>>>>
>>>> erik g
>>>>
>>>> At 02:35 PM -0400 06/24/05, Anthony Rizzuto
>>>>wrote:
>>>> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>> >
>>>> >Not suprising, look at who his Senator is.
>>>>Not as
>>>> bad as Barbara Boxer
>>>> >but a close second!
>>>> >
>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: HDTV Magazine
>>>> On
>>>>Behalf
>>>> >Of Larry Megugorac
>>>> >Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:14 PM
>>>> >To: HDTV Magazine
>>>> >Subject: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
>>>>Broadcast
>>>> Flag
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>> >
>>>> >Has anyone heard from their Senator RE the
>>>> Broadcast flag?
>>>> >
>>>> >Below is the CRAP I got from mine.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Dear Mr. Megugorac:
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you for writing to me about the
>>>>digital
>>>> broadcast flag. I
>>>> >appreciate hearing from you.
>>>> >
>>>> > I feel strongly that we must prevent the
>>>>theft of
>>>> copyrighted
>>>> >works, and that includes digital television
>>>>(DTV)
>>>> programming.
>>>> >As we move forward in the digital age, it
>>>>is
>>>> increasingly easy for
>>>> >unauthorized copies of copyrighted works to
>>>>be made
>>>> and illegally
>>>> >distributed. Over-the-air digital content
>>>>is
>>>>the
>>>> easiest to pirate.
>>>> >
>>>> > As we contemplate the use of new
>>>>technologies to
>>>> protect
>>>> >copyrighted works, we must pay careful
>>>>attention to
>>>> ensure that a
>>>> >balance is struck between competitive
>>>>protections
>>>> and individual
>>>> >consumer interests. It is important to
>>>>allow
>>>>for
>>>> the continued fair use
>>>> >of copyrighted material, even while we seek
>>>>to stop
>>>> unauthorized
>>>> >reproductions from being illegally
>>>>distributed
>>>> outside the home and over
>>>> >the Internet.
>>>> >
>>>> > Again, thank you for writing. Please know
>>>>that as
>>>> the Senate
>>>> >considers legislation of the broadcast
>>>>flag,
>>>>I will
>>>> be sure to keep your
>>>> >views in mind. If you should have any
>>>>questions,
>>>> please feel free to
>>>> >contact my Washington, DC staff at (202)
>>>>224-3841.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Sincerely yours,
>>>> >
>>>> > Dianne Feinstein
>>>> > United States Senator
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Larry
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Bob,
I agree with you. The buzz generated by theatrical viewing is what drives high DVD sales.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: B Car <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:45:30
To:HDTV Magazine <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The Broadcast Flag
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
Richard, I have no argument with any of your
comments in the Library post. And though it may
seem a contradiction to my previous TIPS post, I
concur with your observations.
However, I draw a fine line of exception between
the general public and ardent advocates of
Digital-HDTV, such as yourself and other regular
TIPS members. As I previously stated, I seldom
visit the local movie theaters any more.
But if I didn't have my 53-inch RPT with Dolby
Digital, I probably would pay to see more of the
spectacular movies.
I can understand how the report might state that
attendence is down 17 percent, yet box-office
gross receipts continue to bring in the mulitple
millions - the price of a single ticket keeps
increasing.
Hugh's post reminded me of the "Death Sentence"
that was issued concerning the future of movie
theaters during the early Sixties. Once Color TV
became established as the preferred source of home
entertainment, movie-going dropped off so severly
that local theaters were closing by the dozens in
towns across the country. The doom-sayers
predicted the early demise of Hollywood's movie
industry. Now, almost 40 years later, the
multiplex cinemas devour movies faster than
Hollywood can turn them out.
But one can envision a radical change in what is
offered by local theaters - as you referenced -
the "IMAX" theater experience may become the next
new standard. Especially as more and more
consumers are able to experience "true" HDTV (or
Video/Audio Quality that approaches HDTV) in their
own living rooms. There will have to be some
greater incentive to draw people into the
theaters; similar to Hollywood turning to the
"WIDE-SCREEN" (Panorama - Cinemascope) aspect,
(and their brief, ill-fated experiment with 3-D)
in order to recapture the TV viewers.
But all of this will become "moot" a hundred years
from now. By then everyone will have an embedded
"neural-chip" with an HDMI-type input... after
paying an annual subscription fee, one will simply
"connect" to their preferred "signal-source" and
be immediately immersed within a Virtual-Reality
Experience of their choice. It will certainly
make all of our "discussions" and concerns about
HDTV seem ridiculous! (But we will be long gone
by then, so will be spared any embarassment) For
now, we will have to be content with 'plain-old'
HDTV... Ahh - if we could only get HDTV! :>)
All the best;
Bob C.
[email protected]
http://HDTVInfoPort.com
HDTV Demystified!
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard
To: HDTV Magazine
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
Broadcast Flag
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
On that note check out this news item...
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5349
Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
B Car wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Before DVD's replace or cause the closing of
> Movie
> Theaters, some major changes will have to take
> place in the mind set of the general public.
> Just
> observe the 2-day, 3-day, or 4-day gross theater
> receipts for the Top 3 to 6 new movie openings.
> Depending on the type an quality of the
> individual
> films it is common to see figures in the range
> of:
> $30 Million - $22 Million - $18 Million - $12
> Million; and even the low grossing movies return
> $5 Million and up. Mind you, this is usually
> just
> for the opening weekend, and only for the TOP
> several films; the total dollars for the
> following
> weeks - prior to release on DVD are generally
> only
> mentioned for the super block-buster movies.
> And before anyone comments about the
> $multiple-millions these films cost to produce,
> that is additional evidence that this is a
> business that is not about to go under ... these
> Millions of dollars to produce a movie would not
> be invested if the producers didn't believe the
> could make a substantial profit.
> I, personally, am not a frequent theater-patron;
> it amazes me that so many people do pay to view
> movies in theaters. Theaters continue to draw
> incredible lines of customers waiting to eagerly
> pay $9.00 and UP
> to see a 90 - 120 minute movie. If you haven't
> noticed, take a look at the average
> "movie-theater" in most communities - they have
> become huge multiplexes, capable of showing
> dozens
> of movies simultaneously. When is the last time
> you saw reports of empty theaters? The time may
> come when movie-theaters are declared extinct -
> but I don't think they are on the
> "endangered-species" list yet. Movie-going is
> probably a cultural phenomena deeply embedded
> within society; perhaps in part due to the
> natural
> "herd-instinct" ... and the experience of
> viewing
> movies on the "Big" - uh, make that "Gigantic"
> Screen, with the overwhelming Audio blasting
> from
> every direction, while clutching a "Super-sized
> Barrel" of pop-corn - that cost as much as the
> admittance ticket!
> Interestingly, while box-office revenues
> increase,
> so too, DVD sales and rentals continue to soar.
> The more important question may be, how long can
> Hollywood continue to feed the public's
> voracious
> appetite for non-stop entertainment? After
> HD-TV
> & HD-Movies, what's left? Bring back the Roman
> Games?
>
> Life's great - isn't it?
>
> all the best;
>
> Bob C.
> [email protected]
> http://HDTVInfoPort.com
> HDTV Demystified!
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hugh Campbell
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
> Broadcast Flag
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Doug,
>
> That is a very interesting scenario; however, I
> believe MPAA, etc. are
> trying to prevent something from happening that
> they assume will happen and
> not something that has already taken place. If
> you have so called perfect
> copies of movies floating around the internet (a
> big assumption) the studios
> will lose hundred of millions in lost revenue
> from
> the sale of DVD's. DVD's
> have taken over the movie business or at least
> they are about to wipe out
> theaters.....in my opinion. A recent survey
> showed that 75% of the public
> would rather watch a movie at home rather than
> go
> to a theater. With High
> Definition DVD's soon to take over and with HDTV
> people will be able to
> watch a picture at home that looks and sounds as
> good as one in a theater.
>
> MPAA knows what happened with songs and napster
> and they are trying to
> prevent even the chance that it might happen to
> them with movies. Many
> actors get a piece of the action so this is not
> only a studio problem but
> also an actors problem......or so they think.
>
> Look at it this way, if you had a patented
> product
> you were selling and some
> new technology was coming along that might
> possibly duplicate your product
> very cheaply by millions of people rendering
> your
> product worthless to you,
> you'd be trying to protect it from being copied
> as
> well.
>
> Personally, I believe that if it comes into my
> house I can do with it as I
> please unless I try to sell it but I can
> understand MPAA's concern until
> they find out it is not going to happen to
> them.
> Too much money at stake
> for them to take a chance on what might happen.
>
> Hugh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Weil" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
> Broadcast Flag
>
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>I'm reposting a note that I sent to the list the
>>last time the Broadcast
>>Flag discussion came up. I don't think it ever
>>appeared here, as my eMail
>>bounced back to me and I wasn't able to figure
>>out why. And then, the
>
> second
>
>>send attempt also bounced.
>>
>>Hopefully this will make it through this time.
>>But if you've seen this
>
> note
>
>>previously, I apologize for the repeat.
>>
>>The reason for trying to post this again is that
>>I'd like to see someone
>>throw down the gauntlet to the broadcast
>>industry and the Hollywood
>
> studios
>
>>and challenge them document, in an auditable
>>fashion, just a single
>
> instance
>
>>where the current copyright protection regime is
>>causing tangible,
>>dollars-and-cents damage totaling $100 million.
>>Keep reading and you'll
>
> see
>
>>why I've chosen that particularly benchmark for
>>damage.
>>
>>Of course, I do believe that there is some
>>revenue lost as a result of
>>unauthorized use of copyrighted works, but I
>>think that legitimate
>>time-shifting by consumers, and even the
>>subsequent secondary "illicit"
>>distribution that results from virtually
>>unchecked consumer copying, is
>>completely and utterly innocuous when you look
>>at the big picture.
>>
>>I think my Seinfeld example below is a very
>>good, though by no means
>>perfect, example of how widespread consumer
>>copying actually does little
>
> to
>
>>harm the market value of a television series or
>>theatrical release, so
>
> long
>
>>as that creative work is something that people
>>actually value enough want
>
> to
>
>>own the genuine article.
>>
>>And while it's not perfect, I believe my
>>scenario is certainly a better
>>illustration of the "no damage" argument than
>>anything that's been offered
>>up as justification for over-controlling,
>>anal-retentive nonsense such as
>>the broadcast flag.
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>Let's consider the recently issued "Seinfeld"
>>DVD box set.
>>
>>Can anyone think of a recent television series
>>that has had more exposure
>>than "Seinfeld" since it first went into
>>syndication in the early 1990s? I
>>think it's reasonable to estimate that each and
>>every episode of
>
> "Seinfeld"
>
>>has been shown in every single television market
>>in the US at least 200
>>times. As a result, every "Seinfeld" episode has
>>been videotaped, DVRed,
>>burned to DVD, or "bit-torrented" around the
>>globe a few billion times.
>>
>>I really think it would be impossible to
>>exaggerate how EASY it is for
>>anyone, anywhere on the planet, at any moment in
>>time, to watch "Seinfeld"
>>-- because those shows are so readily available.
>>
>>So, to hear the MPAA or NAB talk, it would be a
>>complete and utter waste
>
> of
>
>>time for a studio to even think about issuing
>>the "Seinfeld" series on DVD
>>or videotape, never mind actually printing up
>>the discs, dubbing the tapes
>>and developing a marketing campaign -- because
>>there's obviously no way
>
> that
>
>>anyone would pay good money for a product that's
>>been so widely available
>
> to
>
>>the public and continues to be easily accessible
>>at virtually a moment's
>>notice.
>>
>>But guess what? The initial "Seinfeld" box set,
>>issued at the end of 2004,
>>has sold nearly 3 million units and generated
>>revenues of almost $100
>>million. It is the second or third best-selling
>>TV show available on DVD,
>>and the upcoming release of the fourth disc is
>>expected to put it over the
>>top as number one.
>>
>>If "Seinfeld" can survive the on-air
>>over-saturation it has endured and
>
> the
>
>>"illegitimate" copying and redistribution that
>>it's been subjected to as a
>>result, how could any other worthwhile video
>>property be threatened by
>>consumer time-shifting and copying?
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>Doug
>>Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine
>> On
>>Behalf Of
>
> B
>
>>Car
>>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:21
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
>>Broadcast Flag
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Well - I hope you Feel better now, having gotten
>>in your political digs... While it is
>>unfortunate
>>that politics is totally entwined around
>>Digital-HDTV (and most everything else that
>>affects "we the people!") this simple
>>illustrates - once again - that there is no
>>point
>>in introducing one's individual political
>>thoughts
>>into a civil discussion. It cannot be that
>>difficult to stay "politically neutral" in this
>>type of forum. We can go for months at a time
>>without any politics being interjected; but let
>>one person try to 'sneak' in a quick gibe from
>>their personal bias - and KABOOM! Certainly
>>there's no way to completely eliminate politics
>>from this topic - the politicians are among the
>>major players - plus the Federal Government.
>>But
>>it shouldn't be difficult to restrain one's self
>>from adding their own editorial 'wacks' at the
>>opposition - this is merely self-serving at
>>best!
>>All that one can hope to get out of doing this,
>>is
>>a momentary satisfaction - until someone on the
>>other side "wacks" back - harder and uglier.
>>But
>>I'm not looking at things through "rose-colored"
>>glasses. I have no illusion that anything I say
>>will cause anyone to "suddenly see the light" of
>>reason, and we all live happily ever after! :>)
>>Political gibes are like mosquito-bites... once
>>bitten the tendency is to scratch the itch!
>>Thus, if you feel the itch is so unbearable you
>>have to stike back, okay... but bear in mind
>>that
>>neither side of the political spectrum has clean
>>hands. They all have boody hands!
>>(Especially "you-know-who" from
>>"you-know-where")
>>... fill in the names that fit best with your
>>preferences!
>>
>>All the best...
>>Bob C.
>>[email protected]
>>http://HDTVInfoPort.com
>>HDTV Demystified!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Original Message -----
>>From: Erik Gaderlund
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 6:20 AM
>>Subject: Re: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
>>Broadcast Flag
>>
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Actually not really. It seems despite here
>>'liberal' upbrinning,
>>she's just as beholden to her local industries,
>>and carries water for
>>them. But, it's weird that the other side, the
>>party of private
>>property and rights and responsibilities, would
>>not want to infringe
>>on one's 'fair use' rights, but, I guess 'follow
>>the money'.
>>
>>erik g
>>
>>At 05:32 PM -0700 06/24/05, Bob Caplan wrote:
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Erik,
>>>
>>>Well, maybe you were going tongue in cheek
>>>here,
>>>but
>>>Feinstein is a Democrat from San Francisco. In
>>>fact,
>>>she is a former mayor of the same city. She
>>>is,
>>>obviously, a favorite here in California. I
>>>agree
>>>with you on the bipartison BS.
>>>
>>>Bobby C
>>>
>>>--- Erik Gaderlund <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> Well, actually Feinstein (D-Hollywood) is
>>>>pretty
>>>> well bought by the
>>>> MPAA/RIAA (like Sen. Hatch R-Disney who's
>>>>been
>>>>going
>>>> after 'fair use'
>>>> for his corporate sponsors), so she'll most
>>>>likely
>>>> be the
>>>> (co-)sponsor of whatever new BF amendment
>>>>that
>>>>comes
>>>> out. It shows
>>>> that Democrat or Repub, both side pretty
>>>>much
>>>>make a
>>>> mockery of
>>>> campaign finance.
>>>>
>>>> erik g
>>>>
>>>> At 02:35 PM -0400 06/24/05, Anthony Rizzuto
>>>>wrote:
>>>> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>> >
>>>> >Not suprising, look at who his Senator is.
>>>>Not as
>>>> bad as Barbara Boxer
>>>> >but a close second!
>>>> >
>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: HDTV Magazine
>>>> On
>>>>Behalf
>>>> >Of Larry Megugorac
>>>> >Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:14 PM
>>>> >To: HDTV Magazine
>>>> >Subject: Senator's Talking Head RE: The
>>>>Broadcast
>>>> Flag
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>> >
>>>> >Has anyone heard from their Senator RE the
>>>> Broadcast flag?
>>>> >
>>>> >Below is the CRAP I got from mine.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Dear Mr. Megugorac:
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you for writing to me about the
>>>>digital
>>>> broadcast flag. I
>>>> >appreciate hearing from you.
>>>> >
>>>> > I feel strongly that we must prevent the
>>>>theft of
>>>> copyrighted
>>>> >works, and that includes digital television
>>>>(DTV)
>>>> programming.
>>>> >As we move forward in the digital age, it
>>>>is
>>>> increasingly easy for
>>>> >unauthorized copies of copyrighted works to
>>>>be made
>>>> and illegally
>>>> >distributed. Over-the-air digital content
>>>>is
>>>>the
>>>> easiest to pirate.
>>>> >
>>>> > As we contemplate the use of new
>>>>technologies to
>>>> protect
>>>> >copyrighted works, we must pay careful
>>>>attention to
>>>> ensure that a
>>>> >balance is struck between competitive
>>>>protections
>>>> and individual
>>>> >consumer interests. It is important to
>>>>allow
>>>>for
>>>> the continued fair use
>>>> >of copyrighted material, even while we seek
>>>>to stop
>>>> unauthorized
>>>> >reproductions from being illegally
>>>>distributed
>>>> outside the home and over
>>>> >the Internet.
>>>> >
>>>> > Again, thank you for writing. Please know
>>>>that as
>>>> the Senate
>>>> >considers legislation of the broadcast
>>>>flag,
>>>>I will
>>>> be sure to keep your
>>>> >views in mind. If you should have any
>>>>questions,
>>>> please feel free to
>>>> >contact my Washington, DC staff at (202)
>>>>224-3841.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Sincerely yours,
>>>> >
>>>> > Dianne Feinstein
>>>> > United States Senator
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Larry
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