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James, Bob,
Not quite.
James said he has a 45" (no model # mentioned), unfortunately, no 45" LCD from Sharp has
specifications in the order of 4ms, not yet.
The new one just released in Mar 06 as part of the D40U line goes as low as 6ms, while the others
generally still in the 12ms speed.
The new 57" is the only one claiming 4ms, TTM Mar 06, 1080p, of D90 line, the 45" of the same line
is still 6 ms, which is still quite an improvement from the 12ms.
Even the 65" which transformed since Nov 05 to the current model was originally 12ms, and is not yet
in the 4ms range, and that unit was introduced for $21000 back then with just 12ms and is now 6ms
http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelL ... _LC-65D90U
When I viewed this set as a prototype with 12ms it was unacceptable to my eyes, remember $21000 as
an innovation, now at half the lag it is to be expected to have improved, but I have seen so many
large LCDs at the show that I can not possibly remember how it compared with the year before, but I
remember that a common denominator was that they were all going better and faster, and certainly
1080p with 1080p inputs.
Quick Shoot is the name of that circuitry and is progressing to lower and lower response times even
on sets that did not even change the model number to jump from 12ms to 6 ms, such as the 65" model.
For the complete detail of how these sets progressed in technical development over the last years
please consult the last 3 yearly reports on the LCD panel section.
Again, James, enjoy what you have to the fullest, ignore the spec and do not look for artifacts when
you are actually enjoying the content and the quality of the image presented to your eyes, the
primary objective.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:13 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Westinghouse LCD image
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James,
Sharp is claming a 4ms response time for your Aquos. Maybe that speed has solved the problem.
Bob
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: James Healy <[email protected]>
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>
>
> I have not seen this on my 45" Sharp Aquos. Maybe I am not looking hard
> enough.
>
>
>
> On 6/7/06 9:42 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Rodolfo,
> > Based on what you said, I would not consider burying a large LCD flat panel
> > display until this problem is greatly imporved.
> >
> > Bob Bullock
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> Richard,
> >>
> >> Yes. Since they came out as prototypes at CES on the 45"+ range, at that
> >> time
> >> they were on the 12ms
> >> speed but I still see the effect even on the 8ms improved units, not to
> >> mention
> >> on other lower class
> >> 20ms of other brands, they are very annoying. When the artifacts are first
> >> noticed all one sees is
> >> just the artifact, not the content, unfortunately.
> >>
> >> Large LCD displays are gradually going faster and faster in response time, so
> >> at
> >> least they have
> >> recognized that is a problem to correct.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >> Richard Fisher
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:38 PM
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Re: Westinghouse LCD image
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> Does your experience include the Sharp Aquas LCD panels?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Richard Fisher
> >> HD Library is Published by Tech Services
> >> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
> >> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
> >>
> >> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
> >>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>> Phil,
> >>>
> >>> I see now what you are referring to.
> >>>
> >>> It might be that is not much you can do externally with a better scaler to
> >> improve this problem.
> >>>
> >>> The loss of facial detail is most probably produced by the lag that is
> >>> common
> >> on most LCDs that
> >> are
> >>> not fast enough for active images, reason by which I do not consider worth
> >> investing in large LCD
> >>> panels that are not yet on the 4ms range.
> >>>
> >>> This could also be the reason for the pin stripes disappearing when Leno
> >> moves.
> >>>
> >>> Pay attention to that effect and you would notice that when a person's head
> >> moves quickly the
> >> pixels
> >>> inside the skin area are not moving in sync to that speed and appear as the
> >> porous of the person's
> >>> face is moving independently of the head movement.
> >>>
> >>> On other type of content the lag problem could be masked by what is
> >>> displayed
> >> on the image, but I
> >>> find easier to detect on the faces of people.
> >>>
> >>> I have noticed the effect you mention even on higher priced sets. I have no
> >> problem in tolerating
> >>> this defect on a 20" set for my kitchen, but I do with a 40"+ panel that
> >>> could
> >> otherwise be
> >> replaced
> >>> by a good plasma that does not have that speed problem.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >>> Phil Pasteur
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:56 AM
> >>> To: HDTV Magazine
> >>> Subject: Deinterlacing 1080i to 1080P was: 720 projector vs. 1080p
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>> The display does accept 1080P input through two DVI, one HDMI and two sets
> >>> of component inputs.
> >>> The question of whether a 1080P input actually is left untouched by the
> >>> internal scaler is a good one. I think that it is always in use as there is
> >>> a "fill" function that is active even when I send 1080P from the Helois up
> >>> converting DVD player. Several reviewers commented that they thought the
> >>> scaler in the display was very good. The reason I was looking for a good
> >>> 18080i to 1080P deinterlacer was that it seems that for certain program
> >>> material the image loses detail when there is movement. The example that I
> >>> was talking about with Leno was that he had a pinstripe suit on. When he
> >>> would move, the stripes would disappear. When he was still, they were
> >>> plainly visible. In other cases I have seen loss of facial detail with
> >>> movement. Interestingly this is not consistent across all program material.
> >>> Perhaps it is the source material rather than the display as was suggested.
> >>> I am using a Directv H20 receiver set to native mode, in which it is
> >>> supposed to pass through whatever format that it receives to feed the
> >>> display. I get Leno OTA if this makes any difference.
> >>>
> >>> I will keep in mind your suggestion about Lumagen and calibration.
> >>>
> >>> Phil P.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >>> Richard Fisher
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:45 AM
> >>> To: HDTV Magazine
> >>> Subject: Re: 720 projector vs. 1080p
> >>>
> >>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>> It seems by the answers that the is not much that will do the job as
> >>> of now
> >>>> that is not an exotic/ unaffordable (for me) unit
> >>>
> >>> Actually there may be no solution if the display does not accept a 1080P
> >>> signal and even then it would need to be tested to confirm that doing so
> >>> actually bypasses the internal scaler.
> >>>
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James, Bob,
Not quite.
James said he has a 45" (no model # mentioned), unfortunately, no 45" LCD from Sharp has
specifications in the order of 4ms, not yet.
The new one just released in Mar 06 as part of the D40U line goes as low as 6ms, while the others
generally still in the 12ms speed.
The new 57" is the only one claiming 4ms, TTM Mar 06, 1080p, of D90 line, the 45" of the same line
is still 6 ms, which is still quite an improvement from the 12ms.
Even the 65" which transformed since Nov 05 to the current model was originally 12ms, and is not yet
in the 4ms range, and that unit was introduced for $21000 back then with just 12ms and is now 6ms
http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelL ... _LC-65D90U
When I viewed this set as a prototype with 12ms it was unacceptable to my eyes, remember $21000 as
an innovation, now at half the lag it is to be expected to have improved, but I have seen so many
large LCDs at the show that I can not possibly remember how it compared with the year before, but I
remember that a common denominator was that they were all going better and faster, and certainly
1080p with 1080p inputs.
Quick Shoot is the name of that circuitry and is progressing to lower and lower response times even
on sets that did not even change the model number to jump from 12ms to 6 ms, such as the 65" model.
For the complete detail of how these sets progressed in technical development over the last years
please consult the last 3 yearly reports on the LCD panel section.
Again, James, enjoy what you have to the fullest, ignore the spec and do not look for artifacts when
you are actually enjoying the content and the quality of the image presented to your eyes, the
primary objective.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:13 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Westinghouse LCD image
----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
James,
Sharp is claming a 4ms response time for your Aquos. Maybe that speed has solved the problem.
Bob
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: James Healy <[email protected]>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> I have not seen this on my 45" Sharp Aquos. Maybe I am not looking hard
> enough.
>
>
>
> On 6/7/06 9:42 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Rodolfo,
> > Based on what you said, I would not consider burying a large LCD flat panel
> > display until this problem is greatly imporved.
> >
> > Bob Bullock
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> Richard,
> >>
> >> Yes. Since they came out as prototypes at CES on the 45"+ range, at that
> >> time
> >> they were on the 12ms
> >> speed but I still see the effect even on the 8ms improved units, not to
> >> mention
> >> on other lower class
> >> 20ms of other brands, they are very annoying. When the artifacts are first
> >> noticed all one sees is
> >> just the artifact, not the content, unfortunately.
> >>
> >> Large LCD displays are gradually going faster and faster in response time, so
> >> at
> >> least they have
> >> recognized that is a problem to correct.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >> Richard Fisher
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:38 PM
> >> To: HDTV Magazine
> >> Subject: Re: Westinghouse LCD image
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >> Does your experience include the Sharp Aquas LCD panels?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Richard Fisher
> >> HD Library is Published by Tech Services
> >> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
> >> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
> >>
> >> Rodolfo La Maestra - HDTV Magazine wrote:
> >>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>> Phil,
> >>>
> >>> I see now what you are referring to.
> >>>
> >>> It might be that is not much you can do externally with a better scaler to
> >> improve this problem.
> >>>
> >>> The loss of facial detail is most probably produced by the lag that is
> >>> common
> >> on most LCDs that
> >> are
> >>> not fast enough for active images, reason by which I do not consider worth
> >> investing in large LCD
> >>> panels that are not yet on the 4ms range.
> >>>
> >>> This could also be the reason for the pin stripes disappearing when Leno
> >> moves.
> >>>
> >>> Pay attention to that effect and you would notice that when a person's head
> >> moves quickly the
> >> pixels
> >>> inside the skin area are not moving in sync to that speed and appear as the
> >> porous of the person's
> >>> face is moving independently of the head movement.
> >>>
> >>> On other type of content the lag problem could be masked by what is
> >>> displayed
> >> on the image, but I
> >>> find easier to detect on the faces of people.
> >>>
> >>> I have noticed the effect you mention even on higher priced sets. I have no
> >> problem in tolerating
> >>> this defect on a 20" set for my kitchen, but I do with a 40"+ panel that
> >>> could
> >> otherwise be
> >> replaced
> >>> by a good plasma that does not have that speed problem.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rodolfo La Maestra
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >>> Phil Pasteur
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:56 AM
> >>> To: HDTV Magazine
> >>> Subject: Deinterlacing 1080i to 1080P was: 720 projector vs. 1080p
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>> The display does accept 1080P input through two DVI, one HDMI and two sets
> >>> of component inputs.
> >>> The question of whether a 1080P input actually is left untouched by the
> >>> internal scaler is a good one. I think that it is always in use as there is
> >>> a "fill" function that is active even when I send 1080P from the Helois up
> >>> converting DVD player. Several reviewers commented that they thought the
> >>> scaler in the display was very good. The reason I was looking for a good
> >>> 18080i to 1080P deinterlacer was that it seems that for certain program
> >>> material the image loses detail when there is movement. The example that I
> >>> was talking about with Leno was that he had a pinstripe suit on. When he
> >>> would move, the stripes would disappear. When he was still, they were
> >>> plainly visible. In other cases I have seen loss of facial detail with
> >>> movement. Interestingly this is not consistent across all program material.
> >>> Perhaps it is the source material rather than the display as was suggested.
> >>> I am using a Directv H20 receiver set to native mode, in which it is
> >>> supposed to pass through whatever format that it receives to feed the
> >>> display. I get Leno OTA if this makes any difference.
> >>>
> >>> I will keep in mind your suggestion about Lumagen and calibration.
> >>>
> >>> Phil P.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> >>> Richard Fisher
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:45 AM
> >>> To: HDTV Magazine
> >>> Subject: Re: 720 projector vs. 1080p
> >>>
> >>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>> It seems by the answers that the is not much that will do the job as
> >>> of now
> >>>> that is not an exotic/ unaffordable (for me) unit
> >>>
> >>> Actually there may be no solution if the display does not accept a 1080P
> >>> signal and even then it would need to be tested to confirm that doing so
> >>> actually bypasses the internal scaler.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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