Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

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I am not surprised...
HD Radio - just what is it and is it really HD?
http://hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22078

QUALITY: Compressed snot. Now if they had provided true HD audio
streaming like SACD or DVD audio they would have hit the 5 times
difference easily and rolled many an eye!

CONTENT: that played a huge role for the sat services

MANDATE: there was none and frankly if DTV did not have one we would
still be mostly NTSC analog and HDTV would have failed. HD disc is
another story... but it is riding on the coat tails of the HDTV
revolution that put all these HD displays in our homes.

LIES: how can you possibly call this system HD radio when the truth is
it is basically hi bit rate MP3 multichannel and below 16/44 sampling.
Digital radio is far more accurate.

From the article you posted...
So for most people, FM is good enough. They don

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Richard,

Excellent, well taken points.

Here in Phoenix, the number of HD stations has multiplied over the past
year. Notwithstanding your observations about MP3 streams, etc., to me,
the sound quality of these HD-broadcasting stations improved even
without using an HD receiver. In particular, the golden oldies on KOOL
sound more detailed with better separation of the instruments and better
defined bass, particularly the material from the late 60s onward. Maybe
it's "just my imagination" but they sound better to me. Is it
technically possible that conversion to HD would improve how we receive
the standard FM signal?

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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

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I am not surprised...
HD Radio - just what is it and is it really HD?
http://hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22078

QUALITY: Compressed snot. Now if they had provided true HD audio
streaming like SACD or DVD audio they would have hit the 5 times
difference easily and rolled many an eye!

CONTENT: that played a huge role for the sat services

MANDATE: there was none and frankly if DTV did not have one we would
still be mostly NTSC analog and HDTV would have failed. HD disc is
another story... but it is riding on the coat tails of the HDTV
revolution that put all these HD displays in our homes.

LIES: how can you possibly call this system HD radio when the truth is
it is basically hi bit rate MP3 multichannel and below 16/44 sampling.
Digital radio is far more accurate.

From the article you posted...
So for most people, FM is good enough. They don't need a problematic but
slightly better sounding AC station in HD if they can hear a completely
acceptable sounding AC station on FM. It comes in better and doesn't
cost anything.

Top all that off, quality audio is fading along with the generation that
wanted it. I never would have thought that the day would come that music
is delivered by ipods and MP3 while motion picture soundtracks use HD
audio codecs.

WOW....

Richard Fisher
ISF and HAA certified
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com Publisher
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Skip Acuff wrote:
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> http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772
>
> I submit this may be of interest to others here who are dismayed when

> fellow homo sapiens profess they cannot see the difference between HD
> and SD television pictures. (we all have such stories, right?)
>
> The article suggests that HD radio is suffering far more than HDTV
> ever did. Pearls before swine, say I.
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I am sure there is improvement but how much? Recall for HDTV the
pioneers insisted it had to be 5 times better than NTSC for consumers to
pay the price.

Where is the improvement? Separation big time! FM is no better than 20db
for left right. If they also stopped running dynamic range compression
there is another.

Since you are having the experience please tell us... is it 5 times
better than FM?

Thanks

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Skip Acuff wrote:
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>
> Richard,
>
> Excellent, well taken points.
>
> Here in Phoenix, the number of HD stations has multiplied over the past
> year. Notwithstanding your observations about MP3 streams, etc., to me,
> the sound quality of these HD-broadcasting stations improved even
> without using an HD receiver. In particular, the golden oldies on KOOL
> sound more detailed with better separation of the instruments and better
> defined bass, particularly the material from the late 60s onward. Maybe
> it's "just my imagination" but they sound better to me. Is it
> technically possible that conversion to HD would improve how we receive
> the standard FM signal?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> On Behalf Of Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:55 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I am not surprised...
> HD Radio - just what is it and is it really HD?
> http://hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22078
>
> QUALITY: Compressed snot. Now if they had provided true HD audio
> streaming like SACD or DVD audio they would have hit the 5 times
> difference easily and rolled many an eye!
>
> CONTENT: that played a huge role for the sat services
>
> MANDATE: there was none and frankly if DTV did not have one we would
> still be mostly NTSC analog and HDTV would have failed. HD disc is
> another story... but it is riding on the coat tails of the HDTV
> revolution that put all these HD displays in our homes.
>
> LIES: how can you possibly call this system HD radio when the truth is
> it is basically hi bit rate MP3 multichannel and below 16/44 sampling.
> Digital radio is far more accurate.
>
> From the article you posted...
> So for most people, FM is good enough. They don't need a problematic but
> slightly better sounding AC station in HD if they can hear a completely
> acceptable sounding AC station on FM. It comes in better and doesn't
> cost anything.
>
> Top all that off, quality audio is fading along with the generation that
> wanted it. I never would have thought that the day would come that music
> is delivered by ipods and MP3 while motion picture soundtracks use HD
> audio codecs.
>
> WOW....
>
> Richard Fisher
> ISF and HAA certified
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com Publisher
> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Skip Acuff wrote:
>
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>>
>>http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772
>>
>>I submit this may be of interest to others here who are dismayed when
>
>
>>fellow homo sapiens profess they cannot see the difference between HD
>>and SD television pictures. (we all have such stories, right?)
>>
>>The article suggests that HD radio is suffering far more than HDTV
>>ever did. Pearls before swine, say I.
>>
>>
>>Skip Acuff
>>Phoenix
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Reading over what you said let me try again...

Yes, the analog delivery could easily be improved by using the same feed
for the digital broadcast for the analog. Note the last post on that
thread from a station engineer...

FM does not have to sound bad and can sound quite good... The story
parallels NTSC and 480p done right - that always makes a difference! I
suggest with digital that is what is happening hence the feed comment.

Richard Fisher
ISF and HAA certified
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Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Skip Acuff wrote:
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>
> Richard,
>
> Excellent, well taken points.
>
> Here in Phoenix, the number of HD stations has multiplied over the past
> year. Notwithstanding your observations about MP3 streams, etc., to me,
> the sound quality of these HD-broadcasting stations improved even
> without using an HD receiver. In particular, the golden oldies on KOOL
> sound more detailed with better separation of the instruments and better
> defined bass, particularly the material from the late 60s onward. Maybe
> it's "just my imagination" but they sound better to me. Is it
> technically possible that conversion to HD would improve how we receive
> the standard FM signal?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> On Behalf Of Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:55 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I am not surprised...
> HD Radio - just what is it and is it really HD?
> http://hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22078
>
> QUALITY: Compressed snot. Now if they had provided true HD audio
> streaming like SACD or DVD audio they would have hit the 5 times
> difference easily and rolled many an eye!
>
> CONTENT: that played a huge role for the sat services
>
> MANDATE: there was none and frankly if DTV did not have one we would
> still be mostly NTSC analog and HDTV would have failed. HD disc is
> another story... but it is riding on the coat tails of the HDTV
> revolution that put all these HD displays in our homes.
>
> LIES: how can you possibly call this system HD radio when the truth is
> it is basically hi bit rate MP3 multichannel and below 16/44 sampling.
> Digital radio is far more accurate.
>
> From the article you posted...
> So for most people, FM is good enough. They don't need a problematic but
> slightly better sounding AC station in HD if they can hear a completely
> acceptable sounding AC station on FM. It comes in better and doesn't
> cost anything.
>
> Top all that off, quality audio is fading along with the generation that
> wanted it. I never would have thought that the day would come that music
> is delivered by ipods and MP3 while motion picture soundtracks use HD
> audio codecs.
>
> WOW....
>
> Richard Fisher
> ISF and HAA certified
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com Publisher
> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Skip Acuff wrote:
>
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>>
>>
>>http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772
>>
>>I submit this may be of interest to others here who are dismayed when
>
>
>>fellow homo sapiens profess they cannot see the difference between HD
>>and SD television pictures. (we all have such stories, right?)
>>
>>The article suggests that HD radio is suffering far more than HDTV
>>ever did. Pearls before swine, say I.
>>
>>
>>Skip Acuff
>>Phoenix
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Thanks for the additional info.

I would not say that the analog broadcasts taken from a digital feed now
sound five times better than before. Hard to quantify, but maybe 50% or
75% better. It was enough to induce me to listen to these stations more
often. Fortunately, the stations are highly diverse, so depending on
mood there is a lot to choose from.

I do not have satellite radio, so I can't compare the sound quality in
those broadcasts. Is that signal anything like DVD-A or SACD?

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From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
On Behalf Of Richard Fisher
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:38 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

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Reading over what you said let me try again...

Yes, the analog delivery could easily be improved by using the same feed
for the digital broadcast for the analog. Note the last post on that
thread from a station engineer...

FM does not have to sound bad and can sound quite good... The story
parallels NTSC and 480p done right - that always makes a difference! I
suggest with digital that is what is happening hence the feed comment.

Richard Fisher
ISF and HAA certified
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com Publisher
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Skip Acuff wrote:
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>
> Richard,
>
> Excellent, well taken points.
>
> Here in Phoenix, the number of HD stations has multiplied over the
> past year. Notwithstanding your observations about MP3 streams, etc.,

> to me, the sound quality of these HD-broadcasting stations improved
> even without using an HD receiver. In particular, the golden oldies
> on KOOL sound more detailed with better separation of the instruments
> and better defined bass, particularly the material from the late 60s
> onward. Maybe it's "just my imagination" but they sound better
> to me. Is it technically possible that conversion to HD would improve

> how we receive the standard FM signal?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> On Behalf Of Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:55 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I am not surprised...
> HD Radio - just what is it and is it really HD?
> http://hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22078
>
> QUALITY: Compressed snot. Now if they had provided true HD audio
> streaming like SACD or DVD audio they would have hit the 5 times
> difference easily and rolled many an eye!
>
> CONTENT: that played a huge role for the sat services
>
> MANDATE: there was none and frankly if DTV did not have one we would
> still be mostly NTSC analog and HDTV would have failed. HD disc is
> another story... but it is riding on the coat tails of the HDTV
> revolution that put all these HD displays in our homes.
>
> LIES: how can you possibly call this system HD radio when the truth is

> it is basically hi bit rate MP3 multichannel and below 16/44 sampling.
> Digital radio is far more accurate.
>
> From the article you posted...
> So for most people, FM is good enough. They don't need a problematic
> but slightly better sounding AC station in HD if they can hear a
> completely acceptable sounding AC station on FM. It comes in better
> and doesn't cost anything.
>
> Top all that off, quality audio is fading along with the generation
> that wanted it. I never would have thought that the day would come
> that music is delivered by ipods and MP3 while motion picture
> soundtracks use HD audio codecs.
>
> WOW....
>
> Richard Fisher
> ISF and HAA certified
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com Publisher
> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Skip Acuff wrote:
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>
>>http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772
>>
>>I submit this may be of interest to others here who are dismayed when
>
>
>>fellow homo sapiens profess they cannot see the difference between HD
>>and SD television pictures. (we all have such stories, right?)
>>
>>The article suggests that HD radio is suffering far more than HDTV
>>ever did. Pearls before swine, say I.
>>
>>
>>Skip Acuff
>>Phoenix
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Richard,


I know you are still into quality audio....don't give up. If Sony was smart
they would get High Res Audio going on to Blu-ray....I'm still hoping they
do!

I like to listen to SmoothJazz.com....they have a site (Octoshape) where you
can log onto for free that generates commercial free Jazz @ 192Kbps.

Sounds pretty good for internet radio!


Cheers,


Larry



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Richard Fisher
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:55 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

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I am not surprised...
HD Radio - just what is it and is it really HD?
http://hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22078

QUALITY: Compressed snot. Now if they had provided true HD audio
streaming like SACD or DVD audio they would have hit the 5 times
difference easily and rolled many an eye!

CONTENT: that played a huge role for the sat services

MANDATE: there was none and frankly if DTV did not have one we would
still be mostly NTSC analog and HDTV would have failed. HD disc is
another story... but it is riding on the coat tails of the HDTV
revolution that put all these HD displays in our homes.

LIES: how can you possibly call this system HD radio when the truth is
it is basically hi bit rate MP3 multichannel and below 16/44 sampling.
Digital radio is far more accurate.

From the article you posted...
So for most people, FM is good enough. They don't need a problematic but
slightly better sounding AC station in HD if they can hear a completely
acceptable sounding AC station on FM. It comes in better and doesn't
cost anything.

Top all that off, quality audio is fading along with the generation that
wanted it. I never would have thought that the day would come that music
is delivered by ipods and MP3 while motion picture soundtracks use HD
audio codecs.

WOW....

Richard Fisher
ISF and HAA certified
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com
Publisher http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Skip Acuff wrote:
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>
> http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772
>
> I submit this may be of interest to others here who are dismayed when
> fellow homo sapiens profess they cannot see the difference between HD
> and SD television pictures. (we all have such stories, right?)
>
> The article suggests that HD radio is suffering far more than HDTV ever
> did. Pearls before swine, say I.
>
>
> Skip Acuff
> Phoenix
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Skip,

You don't mean XM or Sirus Radio do you? They both sound horrible!

I can't even listen in my Wife's car to XM....AM radio puts it to shame!

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List On
Behalf Of Skip Acuff
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:55 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

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Thanks for the additional info.

I would not say that the analog broadcasts taken from a digital feed now
sound five times better than before. Hard to quantify, but maybe 50% or
75% better. It was enough to induce me to listen to these stations more
often. Fortunately, the stations are highly diverse, so depending on
mood there is a lot to choose from.

I do not have satellite radio, so I can't compare the sound quality in
those broadcasts. Is that signal anything like DVD-A or SACD?

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
On Behalf Of Richard Fisher
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:38 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Reading over what you said let me try again...

Yes, the analog delivery could easily be improved by using the same feed
for the digital broadcast for the analog. Note the last post on that
thread from a station engineer...

FM does not have to sound bad and can sound quite good... The story
parallels NTSC and 480p done right - that always makes a difference! I
suggest with digital that is what is happening hence the feed comment.

Richard Fisher
ISF and HAA certified
HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com Publisher
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php

Skip Acuff wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Richard,
>
> Excellent, well taken points.
>
> Here in Phoenix, the number of HD stations has multiplied over the
> past year. Notwithstanding your observations about MP3 streams, etc.,

> to me, the sound quality of these HD-broadcasting stations improved
> even without using an HD receiver. In particular, the golden oldies
> on KOOL sound more detailed with better separation of the instruments
> and better defined bass, particularly the material from the late 60s
> onward. Maybe it's "just my imagination" but they sound better
> to me. Is it technically possible that conversion to HD would improve

> how we receive the standard FM signal?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> On Behalf Of Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:55 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I am not surprised...
> HD Radio - just what is it and is it really HD?
> http://hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22078
>
> QUALITY: Compressed snot. Now if they had provided true HD audio
> streaming like SACD or DVD audio they would have hit the 5 times
> difference easily and rolled many an eye!
>
> CONTENT: that played a huge role for the sat services
>
> MANDATE: there was none and frankly if DTV did not have one we would
> still be mostly NTSC analog and HDTV would have failed. HD disc is
> another story... but it is riding on the coat tails of the HDTV
> revolution that put all these HD displays in our homes.
>
> LIES: how can you possibly call this system HD radio when the truth is

> it is basically hi bit rate MP3 multichannel and below 16/44 sampling.
> Digital radio is far more accurate.
>
> From the article you posted...
> So for most people, FM is good enough. They don't need a problematic
> but slightly better sounding AC station in HD if they can hear a
> completely acceptable sounding AC station on FM. It comes in better
> and doesn't cost anything.
>
> Top all that off, quality audio is fading along with the generation
> that wanted it. I never would have thought that the day would come
> that music is delivered by ipods and MP3 while motion picture
> soundtracks use HD audio codecs.
>
> WOW....
>
> Richard Fisher
> ISF and HAA certified
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com Publisher
> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Skip Acuff wrote:
>
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>>http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772
>>
>>I submit this may be of interest to others here who are dismayed when
>
>
>>fellow homo sapiens profess they cannot see the difference between HD
>>and SD television pictures. (we all have such stories, right?)
>>
>>The article suggests that HD radio is suffering far more than HDTV
>>ever did. Pearls before swine, say I.
>>
>>
>>Skip Acuff
>>Phoenix
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----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Larry,

No, as I mention I have not listened to satellite. But our digitally
fed analog broadcasts sound remarkably better than they did before
switching to dual HD and SD fm formats.

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
On Behalf Of Larry Megugorac
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:25 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Skip,

You don't mean XM or Sirus Radio do you? They both sound horrible!

I can't even listen in my Wife's car to XM....AM radio puts it to shame!

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
On Behalf Of Skip Acuff
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:55 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks for the additional info.

I would not say that the analog broadcasts taken from a digital feed now
sound five times better than before. Hard to quantify, but maybe 50% or
75% better. It was enough to induce me to listen to these stations more
often. Fortunately, the stations are highly diverse, so depending on
mood there is a lot to choose from.

I do not have satellite radio, so I can't compare the sound quality in
those broadcasts. Is that signal anything like DVD-A or SACD?

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
On Behalf Of Richard Fisher
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:38 PM
To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Reading over what you said let me try again...

Yes, the analog delivery could easily be improved by using the same feed
for the digital broadcast for the analog. Note the last post on that
thread from a station engineer...

FM does not have to sound bad and can sound quite good... The story
parallels NTSC and 480p done right - that always makes a difference! I
suggest with digital that is what is happening hence the feed comment.

Richard Fisher
ISF and HAA certified
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Skip Acuff wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Richard,
>
> Excellent, well taken points.
>
> Here in Phoenix, the number of HD stations has multiplied over the
> past year. Notwithstanding your observations about MP3 streams, etc.,

> to me, the sound quality of these HD-broadcasting stations improved
> even without using an HD receiver. In particular, the golden oldies
> on KOOL sound more detailed with better separation of the instruments
> and better defined bass, particularly the material from the late 60s
> onward. Maybe it's "just my imagination" but they sound better
> to me. Is it technically possible that conversion to HD would improve

> how we receive the standard FM signal?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> On Behalf Of Richard Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:55 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine Tips List
> Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Negative buzz about HD Radio
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I am not surprised...
> HD Radio - just what is it and is it really HD?
> http://hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22078
>
> QUALITY: Compressed snot. Now if they had provided true HD audio
> streaming like SACD or DVD audio they would have hit the 5 times
> difference easily and rolled many an eye!
>
> CONTENT: that played a huge role for the sat services
>
> MANDATE: there was none and frankly if DTV did not have one we would
> still be mostly NTSC analog and HDTV would have failed. HD disc is
> another story... but it is riding on the coat tails of the HDTV
> revolution that put all these HD displays in our homes.
>
> LIES: how can you possibly call this system HD radio when the truth is

> it is basically hi bit rate MP3 multichannel and below 16/44 sampling.
> Digital radio is far more accurate.
>
> From the article you posted...
> So for most people, FM is good enough. They don't need a problematic
> but slightly better sounding AC station in HD if they can hear a
> completely acceptable sounding AC station on FM. It comes in better
> and doesn't cost anything.
>
> Top all that off, quality audio is fading along with the generation
> that wanted it. I never would have thought that the day would come
> that music is delivered by ipods and MP3 while motion picture
> soundtracks use HD audio codecs.
>
> WOW....
>
> Richard Fisher
> ISF and HAA certified
> HD Library is provided by Techservicesusa.com Publisher
> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> Skip Acuff wrote:
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
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>>
>>http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772
>>
>>I submit this may be of interest to others here who are dismayed when
>
>
>>fellow homo sapiens profess they cannot see the difference between HD
>>and SD television pictures. (we all have such stories, right?)
>>
>>The article suggests that HD radio is suffering far more than HDTV
>>ever did. Pearls before swine, say I.
>>
>>
>>Skip Acuff
>>Phoenix
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