Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

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Dave,

Check my comments on January CES 2005 report about these units.

When they came out they were released without 1394 connections (and I believe they are still not
updated), the lack of those connections means that the tuned signal can not be output for D-VHS
archival, if you ever need to store a HDTV copy of a program the unit will not allow you to do it.
I point out this weakness over a year ago before the CES report came out on an article at HDTVetc
magazine, and at the Tips List as well.

It is important to note that the FCC has mandated all cable tuners to be suited with 1394 by April
2004 (and with DVI/HDMI by July 2005), a subscriber with a leased STB could request the cable
provider one newer STB with those features (they will not supply one unless your request it), the
actual situation is that they are dragging their feet supplying those units, but the important
difference is that if you buy the unit (Sony in this case) you are stuck.

-----------------------------------------------

This is the excerpt of the agreement (full detail on page 16 of 2005 report):

"A cable agreement plan was also approved for phased-in use of two digital interface connectors on
new digital cable-ready TVs and/or cable set-top converter boxes, including a) Starting April 1st
2004, IEEE-1394 'FireWire/iLink

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Thanks for the info Rodolfo, it was most helpful.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodolfo La Maestra" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Dave,
>
> Check my comments on January CES 2005 report about these units.
>
> When they came out they were released without 1394 connections (and I
> believe they are still not
> updated), the lack of those connections means that the tuned signal can
> not be output for D-VHS
> archival, if you ever need to store a HDTV copy of a program the unit will
> not allow you to do it.
> I point out this weakness over a year ago before the CES report came out
> on an article at HDTVetc
> magazine, and at the Tips List as well.
>
> It is important to note that the FCC has mandated all cable tuners to be
> suited with 1394 by April
> 2004 (and with DVI/HDMI by July 2005), a subscriber with a leased STB
> could request the cable
> provider one newer STB with those features (they will not supply one
> unless your request it), the
> actual situation is that they are dragging their feet supplying those
> units, but the important
> difference is that if you buy the unit (Sony in this case) you are stuck.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> This is the excerpt of the agreement (full detail on page 16 of 2005
> report):
>
> "A cable agreement plan was also approved for phased-in use of two digital
> interface connectors on
> new digital cable-ready TVs and/or cable set-top converter boxes,
> including a) Starting April 1st
> 2004, IEEE-1394 'FireWire/iLink' connections with Digital Transmission
> Content Protection (DTCP) for
> recordable and networkable compressed video streams, and b) By July 1,
> 2005, the non-recordable
> DVI/HDMI with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) connections
> on digital televisions
> and cable set-top boxes."
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Additionally, on page 94 you will find the full detail of the Sony cable
> boxes (as follows):
>
> In 2004, Sony announced the following 2004/5 models:
>
> HD QAM Cable STBs with DVR
> On Sony's press release of February 04, the company announced the future
> introduction (by fall 04)
> of two new Cable HD-STBs with DVR capabilities, featuring ATSC/NTSC/QAM
> CableCARD tuners
> implementing Sony Passage integrated decryption technology. The boxes
> were said to be suited with
> HDMI/HDCP, Gemstar integrated EPG, component output, flexible AR settings,
> DD 5.1 w/optical audio
> out, USB data ports, and memory stick for JPEG and MPEG1, as follows:
>
> DHG-HDD100 $700, TTM fall 04, 120GB HDD, 120 hours SD, 12 hours HD
> DHG-HDD200 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 200 hours SD, 25 hours HD
>
> However, later, in August 04, Sony issued a different press release
> announcing the future
> introduction of other models, as follows:
>
> DHG-HDD250 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 20 hours of HD recording
> DHG-HDD500 $1000, TTM fall 04, 500GB HDD (two 250GB HDDs), 60 hours of HD
>
> At CES 2005, Sony has confirmed that they decided to replace the two
> original models (100 and 200)
> even before they were expected to appear in fall 04.
>
> It is important to note that these HD-STBs have a connectivity limitation:
> they lack IEEE1394
> Firewire T input/outputs. This means that a tuned/stored HD content would
> not be able to be output
> to a D-VHS recorder for HD tape archival, nor it could be part of digital
> networking of compressed
> HD video with other devices or displays.
>
> Additionally, such limitation does not comply with a specification
> requiring 1394 digital
> connectivity on Cable HD-STBs established in the plug-and-play agreement
> made by the Cable and
> Consumer Electronics industry, and approved by the FCC. If you are
> interested in more details, this
> subject was covered on my article "HDTV Integrated Tuners and You" that
> appeared on the second issue
> of the HDTVetc magazine.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> When they released these units with such handicap even after the FCC
> mandate (to comply be April
> 2004) I frankly lost my interest on following up with Sony after 18
> months, I assume they are still
> without 1394 as originally released.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> David O. Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:43 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Anyone have experience or knowledge about the HD VCR listed below:
>
> Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
> I was told that when the HD VCR's came out, they wouldn't work with
> my
> older Toshiba 16x 9 HD TV, because the VCR would not have component
> outputs.
> So much for that rumor, this HD-VCR does have component outputs.
>
> Anyone have one? Heard anything good or bad about it? Goes for $638
> at
> Old Abes. Sounds like a dooable price.
>
> Just wondered
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
> Janesville, WI
>
>
>
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Rodolfo,

Do you know if the April 2004 and July 2005 dates were ever revised.

Here in St. Louis, Charter sells the MOXI DVR, and as far as I'm aware it
doesn't have a functional DVI (though it does have the port on the back
panel).

Any idea what sort of penalty is applicable for non-compliance?

Regards, Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 21:11
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Dave,

Check my comments on January CES 2005 report about these units.

When they came out they were released without 1394 connections (and I
believe they are still not
updated), the lack of those connections means that the tuned signal can not
be output for D-VHS
archival, if you ever need to store a HDTV copy of a program the unit will
not allow you to do it.
I point out this weakness over a year ago before the CES report came out on
an article at HDTVetc
magazine, and at the Tips List as well.

It is important to note that the FCC has mandated all cable tuners to be
suited with 1394 by April
2004 (and with DVI/HDMI by July 2005), a subscriber with a leased STB could
request the cable
provider one newer STB with those features (they will not supply one unless
your request it), the
actual situation is that they are dragging their feet supplying those units,
but the important
difference is that if you buy the unit (Sony in this case) you are stuck.

-----------------------------------------------

This is the excerpt of the agreement (full detail on page 16 of 2005
report):

"A cable agreement plan was also approved for phased-in use of two digital
interface connectors on
new digital cable-ready TVs and/or cable set-top converter boxes, including
a) Starting April 1st
2004, IEEE-1394 'FireWire/iLink' connections with Digital Transmission
Content Protection (DTCP) for
recordable and networkable compressed video streams, and b) By July 1, 2005,
the non-recordable
DVI/HDMI with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) connections
on digital televisions
and cable set-top boxes."

----------------------------------------------

Additionally, on page 94 you will find the full detail of the Sony cable
boxes (as follows):

In 2004, Sony announced the following 2004/5 models:

HD QAM Cable STBs with DVR
On Sony's press release of February 04, the company announced the future
introduction (by fall 04)
of two new Cable HD-STBs with DVR capabilities, featuring ATSC/NTSC/QAM
CableCARD tuners
implementing Sony Passage integrated decryption technology. The boxes were
said to be suited with
HDMI/HDCP, Gemstar integrated EPG, component output, flexible AR settings,
DD 5.1 w/optical audio
out, USB data ports, and memory stick for JPEG and MPEG1, as follows:

DHG-HDD100 $700, TTM fall 04, 120GB HDD, 120 hours SD, 12 hours HD
DHG-HDD200 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 200 hours SD, 25 hours HD

However, later, in August 04, Sony issued a different press release
announcing the future
introduction of other models, as follows:

DHG-HDD250 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 20 hours of HD recording
DHG-HDD500 $1000, TTM fall 04, 500GB HDD (two 250GB HDDs), 60 hours of HD

At CES 2005, Sony has confirmed that they decided to replace the two
original models (100 and 200)
even before they were expected to appear in fall 04.

It is important to note that these HD-STBs have a connectivity limitation:
they lack IEEE1394
Firewire T input/outputs. This means that a tuned/stored HD content would
not be able to be output
to a D-VHS recorder for HD tape archival, nor it could be part of digital
networking of compressed
HD video with other devices or displays.

Additionally, such limitation does not comply with a specification requiring
1394 digital
connectivity on Cable HD-STBs established in the plug-and-play agreement
made by the Cable and
Consumer Electronics industry, and approved by the FCC. If you are
interested in more details, this
subject was covered on my article "HDTV Integrated Tuners and You" that
appeared on the second issue
of the HDTVetc magazine.

-----------------------------------------------

When they released these units with such handicap even after the FCC mandate
(to comply be April
2004) I frankly lost my interest on following up with Sony after 18 months,
I assume they are still
without 1394 as originally released.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
David O. Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:43 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anyone have experience or knowledge about the HD VCR listed below:

Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

I was told that when the HD VCR's came out, they wouldn't work with my
older Toshiba 16x 9 HD TV, because the VCR would not have component outputs.
So much for that rumor, this HD-VCR does have component outputs.

Anyone have one? Heard anything good or bad about it? Goes for $638 at
Old Abes. Sounds like a dooable price.

Just wondered

Thanks

Dave
Janesville, WI







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Doug,

I have not received any material that indicates that such dates were changed.

They changed the dates for the tuner mandate on the remaining sets, and there was a petition to
change the timing of CableCARD incorporation into Cable STBs.

Everyone is dragging their feet even when subscribers request it.

>From VA I had to handle a case of a client in FL who subscribes to Comcast 2 months ago and it was
certainly a struggle with 3 levels of supervisors, but he got a DVI box at least from Pace Micro,
rather than the obsolete box he had. The highest level supervisor claimed that he did not know of
the 1394 date agreement. There were no spelled out penalties for non-compliance when the
regulations were approved a couple of years ago (read the section of Cable card of the CES reports,
any of them, but the 2005 has all the updates), the FCC seems unsuited to enforce all the mandates
they establish, other than rejecting imports of equipment that should have integrated tuners on
their respective size.

Ironically the set I installed for the person in Fort Myers FL was a CRT RPTV 730i Pioneer Elite
(just before they were gone) and the DVI connection would bring a digital signal that would have to
be internally converted to analog for driving the tubes, he mentioned he did not find much
difference in image quality (with the quality of Comcast content) but having DVI would position his
system better just in case the HDCP mess hits his system with protected content and the analog hole
of component analog YPbPr.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Doug Weil
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:28 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Rodolfo,

Do you know if the April 2004 and July 2005 dates were ever revised.

Here in St. Louis, Charter sells the MOXI DVR, and as far as I'm aware it
doesn't have a functional DVI (though it does have the port on the back
panel).

Any idea what sort of penalty is applicable for non-compliance?

Regards, Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 21:11
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Dave,

Check my comments on January CES 2005 report about these units.

When they came out they were released without 1394 connections (and I
believe they are still not
updated), the lack of those connections means that the tuned signal can not
be output for D-VHS
archival, if you ever need to store a HDTV copy of a program the unit will
not allow you to do it.
I point out this weakness over a year ago before the CES report came out on
an article at HDTVetc
magazine, and at the Tips List as well.

It is important to note that the FCC has mandated all cable tuners to be
suited with 1394 by April
2004 (and with DVI/HDMI by July 2005), a subscriber with a leased STB could
request the cable
provider one newer STB with those features (they will not supply one unless
your request it), the
actual situation is that they are dragging their feet supplying those units,
but the important
difference is that if you buy the unit (Sony in this case) you are stuck.

-----------------------------------------------

This is the excerpt of the agreement (full detail on page 16 of 2005
report):

"A cable agreement plan was also approved for phased-in use of two digital
interface connectors on
new digital cable-ready TVs and/or cable set-top converter boxes, including
a) Starting April 1st
2004, IEEE-1394 'FireWire/iLink' connections with Digital Transmission
Content Protection (DTCP) for
recordable and networkable compressed video streams, and b) By July 1, 2005,
the non-recordable
DVI/HDMI with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) connections
on digital televisions
and cable set-top boxes."

----------------------------------------------

Additionally, on page 94 you will find the full detail of the Sony cable
boxes (as follows):

In 2004, Sony announced the following 2004/5 models:

HD QAM Cable STBs with DVR
On Sony's press release of February 04, the company announced the future
introduction (by fall 04)
of two new Cable HD-STBs with DVR capabilities, featuring ATSC/NTSC/QAM
CableCARD tuners
implementing Sony Passage integrated decryption technology. The boxes were
said to be suited with
HDMI/HDCP, Gemstar integrated EPG, component output, flexible AR settings,
DD 5.1 w/optical audio
out, USB data ports, and memory stick for JPEG and MPEG1, as follows:

DHG-HDD100 $700, TTM fall 04, 120GB HDD, 120 hours SD, 12 hours HD
DHG-HDD200 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 200 hours SD, 25 hours HD

However, later, in August 04, Sony issued a different press release
announcing the future
introduction of other models, as follows:

DHG-HDD250 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 20 hours of HD recording
DHG-HDD500 $1000, TTM fall 04, 500GB HDD (two 250GB HDDs), 60 hours of HD

At CES 2005, Sony has confirmed that they decided to replace the two
original models (100 and 200)
even before they were expected to appear in fall 04.

It is important to note that these HD-STBs have a connectivity limitation:
they lack IEEE1394
Firewire T input/outputs. This means that a tuned/stored HD content would
not be able to be output
to a D-VHS recorder for HD tape archival, nor it could be part of digital
networking of compressed
HD video with other devices or displays.

Additionally, such limitation does not comply with a specification requiring
1394 digital
connectivity on Cable HD-STBs established in the plug-and-play agreement
made by the Cable and
Consumer Electronics industry, and approved by the FCC. If you are
interested in more details, this
subject was covered on my article "HDTV Integrated Tuners and You" that
appeared on the second issue
of the HDTVetc magazine.

-----------------------------------------------

When they released these units with such handicap even after the FCC mandate
(to comply be April
2004) I frankly lost my interest on following up with Sony after 18 months,
I assume they are still
without 1394 as originally released.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
David O. Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:43 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anyone have experience or knowledge about the HD VCR listed below:

Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

I was told that when the HD VCR's came out, they wouldn't work with my
older Toshiba 16x 9 HD TV, because the VCR would not have component outputs.
So much for that rumor, this HD-VCR does have component outputs.

Anyone have one? Heard anything good or bad about it? Goes for $638 at
Old Abes. Sounds like a dooable price.

Just wondered

Thanks

Dave
Janesville, WI







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Rodolfo,

Thanks for the quick follow-up on this.

It's interesting that the FCC issues mandates and then only enforces them
when it comes to importation of equipment. Maybe I'm overly jaded on this
point, but I don't think it's coincidental that the cable companies use
largely US-built boxes, such as Scientific Atlanta, General Instrument and
Motorola.

This seems like another example of how the FCC picks and chooses its fights
based on the easy (foreign) targets.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:13
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Doug,

I have not received any material that indicates that such dates were
changed.

They changed the dates for the tuner mandate on the remaining sets, and
there was a petition to
change the timing of CableCARD incorporation into Cable STBs.

Everyone is dragging their feet even when subscribers request it.

>From VA I had to handle a case of a client in FL who subscribes to Comcast 2
months ago and it was
certainly a struggle with 3 levels of supervisors, but he got a DVI box at
least from Pace Micro,
rather than the obsolete box he had. The highest level supervisor claimed
that he did not know of
the 1394 date agreement. There were no spelled out penalties for
non-compliance when the
regulations were approved a couple of years ago (read the section of Cable
card of the CES reports,
any of them, but the 2005 has all the updates), the FCC seems unsuited to
enforce all the mandates
they establish, other than rejecting imports of equipment that should have
integrated tuners on
their respective size.

Ironically the set I installed for the person in Fort Myers FL was a CRT
RPTV 730i Pioneer Elite
(just before they were gone) and the DVI connection would bring a digital
signal that would have to
be internally converted to analog for driving the tubes, he mentioned he did
not find much
difference in image quality (with the quality of Comcast content) but having
DVI would position his
system better just in case the HDCP mess hits his system with protected
content and the analog hole
of component analog YPbPr.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Doug Weil
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:28 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Rodolfo,

Do you know if the April 2004 and July 2005 dates were ever revised.

Here in St. Louis, Charter sells the MOXI DVR, and as far as I'm aware it
doesn't have a functional DVI (though it does have the port on the back
panel).

Any idea what sort of penalty is applicable for non-compliance?

Regards, Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 21:11
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Dave,

Check my comments on January CES 2005 report about these units.

When they came out they were released without 1394 connections (and I
believe they are still not
updated), the lack of those connections means that the tuned signal can not
be output for D-VHS
archival, if you ever need to store a HDTV copy of a program the unit will
not allow you to do it.
I point out this weakness over a year ago before the CES report came out on
an article at HDTVetc
magazine, and at the Tips List as well.

It is important to note that the FCC has mandated all cable tuners to be
suited with 1394 by April
2004 (and with DVI/HDMI by July 2005), a subscriber with a leased STB could
request the cable
provider one newer STB with those features (they will not supply one unless
your request it), the
actual situation is that they are dragging their feet supplying those units,
but the important
difference is that if you buy the unit (Sony in this case) you are stuck.

-----------------------------------------------

This is the excerpt of the agreement (full detail on page 16 of 2005
report):

"A cable agreement plan was also approved for phased-in use of two digital
interface connectors on
new digital cable-ready TVs and/or cable set-top converter boxes, including
a) Starting April 1st
2004, IEEE-1394 'FireWire/iLink' connections with Digital Transmission
Content Protection (DTCP) for
recordable and networkable compressed video streams, and b) By July 1, 2005,
the non-recordable
DVI/HDMI with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) connections
on digital televisions
and cable set-top boxes."

----------------------------------------------

Additionally, on page 94 you will find the full detail of the Sony cable
boxes (as follows):

In 2004, Sony announced the following 2004/5 models:

HD QAM Cable STBs with DVR
On Sony's press release of February 04, the company announced the future
introduction (by fall 04)
of two new Cable HD-STBs with DVR capabilities, featuring ATSC/NTSC/QAM
CableCARD tuners
implementing Sony Passage integrated decryption technology. The boxes were
said to be suited with
HDMI/HDCP, Gemstar integrated EPG, component output, flexible AR settings,
DD 5.1 w/optical audio
out, USB data ports, and memory stick for JPEG and MPEG1, as follows:

DHG-HDD100 $700, TTM fall 04, 120GB HDD, 120 hours SD, 12 hours HD
DHG-HDD200 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 200 hours SD, 25 hours HD

However, later, in August 04, Sony issued a different press release
announcing the future
introduction of other models, as follows:

DHG-HDD250 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 20 hours of HD recording
DHG-HDD500 $1000, TTM fall 04, 500GB HDD (two 250GB HDDs), 60 hours of HD

At CES 2005, Sony has confirmed that they decided to replace the two
original models (100 and 200)
even before they were expected to appear in fall 04.

It is important to note that these HD-STBs have a connectivity limitation:
they lack IEEE1394
Firewire T input/outputs. This means that a tuned/stored HD content would
not be able to be output
to a D-VHS recorder for HD tape archival, nor it could be part of digital
networking of compressed
HD video with other devices or displays.

Additionally, such limitation does not comply with a specification requiring
1394 digital
connectivity on Cable HD-STBs established in the plug-and-play agreement
made by the Cable and
Consumer Electronics industry, and approved by the FCC. If you are
interested in more details, this
subject was covered on my article "HDTV Integrated Tuners and You" that
appeared on the second issue
of the HDTVetc magazine.

-----------------------------------------------

When they released these units with such handicap even after the FCC mandate
(to comply be April
2004) I frankly lost my interest on following up with Sony after 18 months,
I assume they are still
without 1394 as originally released.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
David O. Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:43 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anyone have experience or knowledge about the HD VCR listed below:

Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

I was told that when the HD VCR's came out, they wouldn't work with my
older Toshiba 16x 9 HD TV, because the VCR would not have component outputs.
So much for that rumor, this HD-VCR does have component outputs.

Anyone have one? Heard anything good or bad about it? Goes for $638 at
Old Abes. Sounds like a dooable price.

Just wondered

Thanks

Dave
Janesville, WI







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Doug, my Comcast Motorola 6412 is built in Taiwan

I believe the SA boxes are built in Juarez Mexico these days.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Doug Weil
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Rodolfo,
>
> Thanks for the quick follow-up on this.
>
> It's interesting that the FCC issues mandates and then only enforces them
> when it comes to importation of equipment. Maybe I'm overly jaded on this
> point, but I don't think it's coincidental that the cable companies use
> largely US-built boxes, such as Scientific Atlanta, General Instrument and
> Motorola.
>
> This seems like another example of how the FCC picks and chooses its
> fights
> based on the easy (foreign) targets.
>
> Doug
>
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Thanks, Bob. Does your Motorola box include DVI/HDMI and/or Firewire?

Also, Rodolfo, in pursuing this locally, someone raised the question whether
this is a "blanket requirement," or whether a cable company simply needs to
be able to offer a DVI/HDMI or Firewire solution if someone requires it.

I suspect that it's not a blanket requirement, but it's interesting that the
MOXI (DVR) box offered here by Charter currently has neither, and offering
an alternative would mean giving up DVR capabilities, so the net effect is
pretty ineffectual.

Regards,


Doug
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:44
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

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Doug, my Comcast Motorola 6412 is built in Taiwan

I believe the SA boxes are built in Juarez Mexico these days.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Doug Weil
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Rodolfo,
>
> Thanks for the quick follow-up on this.
>
> It's interesting that the FCC issues mandates and then only enforces them
> when it comes to importation of equipment. Maybe I'm overly jaded on this
> point, but I don't think it's coincidental that the cable companies use
> largely US-built boxes, such as Scientific Atlanta, General Instrument and
> Motorola.
>
> This seems like another example of how the FCC picks and chooses its
> fights
> based on the easy (foreign) targets.
>
> Doug
>
>


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I don't know of any HD DVR that also has firewire. You have to choose
one or the other in my market.

Jason Burroughs


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Of Doug Weil
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:40 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Thanks, Bob. Does your Motorola box include DVI/HDMI and/or Firewire?

Also, Rodolfo, in pursuing this locally, someone raised the question
whether
this is a "blanket requirement," or whether a cable company simply needs
to
be able to offer a DVI/HDMI or Firewire solution if someone requires it.


I suspect that it's not a blanket requirement, but it's interesting that
the
MOXI (DVR) box offered here by Charter currently has neither, and
offering
an alternative would mean giving up DVR capabilities, so the net effect
is
pretty ineffectual.

Regards,


Doug
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:44
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

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Doug, my Comcast Motorola 6412 is built in Taiwan

I believe the SA boxes are built in Juarez Mexico these days.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of
> Doug Weil
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Rodolfo,
>
> Thanks for the quick follow-up on this.
>
> It's interesting that the FCC issues mandates and then only enforces
them
> when it comes to importation of equipment. Maybe I'm overly jaded on
this
> point, but I don't think it's coincidental that the cable companies
use
> largely US-built boxes, such as Scientific Atlanta, General Instrument
and
> Motorola.
>
> This seems like another example of how the FCC picks and chooses its
> fights
> based on the easy (foreign) targets.
>
> Doug
>
>


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Doug, mine has DVI, 1394, USB, Ethernet and SPDIF.

A new model of this box just rolling out now also includes HDMI, SATA and a
RF port. While I haven't seen one, someone posted the chipset spec on
avsforum. This Phase III box is a leap forward from the previous model. The
chipset supports multiple HD streams, two set support w/PIP on both sets,
Tivo drivers embedded, DOCSIS 2.0 compliant and VOIP is onboard. It uses a
64-bit MIPS CPU core and has a pretty fast memory interface. Pretty good
amount of horsepower for a STB.

I'm guessing here, but that looks to be the platform for both a home media
server and Tivo rollout they hinted at for next year. It has to be a fairly
significant jump in cost over the 6412 I have now. I don't think they would
deploy this without a plan in mind, especially since they could potentially
put between 500k and 1 million of these in homes in the next 12 months.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
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> Doug Weil
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:40 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thanks, Bob. Does your Motorola box include DVI/HDMI and/or Firewire?
>
> Also, Rodolfo, in pursuing this locally, someone raised the question
> whether
> this is a "blanket requirement," or whether a cable company simply needs
> to
> be able to offer a DVI/HDMI or Firewire solution if someone requires it.
>
> I suspect that it's not a blanket requirement, but it's interesting that
> the
> MOXI (DVR) box offered here by Charter currently has neither, and offering
> an alternative would mean giving up DVR capabilities, so the net effect is
> pretty ineffectual.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Doug
> Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>
> Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
> Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
>
> eMail: [email protected]
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>
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My motorola 6412 has a 1394 port and an open rear slot
for another device / hard drive ?
I do not know if the 1394 is active, since my TV has
no connection and my PCs do not either.


--- Doug Weil <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thanks, Bob. Does your Motorola box include DVI/HDMI
> and/or Firewire?
>
> Also, Rodolfo, in pursuing this locally, someone
> raised the question whether
> this is a "blanket requirement," or whether a cable
> company simply needs to
> be able to offer a DVI/HDMI or Firewire solution if
> someone requires it.
>
> I suspect that it's not a blanket requirement, but
> it's interesting that the
> MOXI (DVR) box offered here by Charter currently has
> neither, and offering
> an alternative would mean giving up DVR
> capabilities, so the net effect is
> pretty ineffectual.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Doug
> Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>
> Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
> Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
>
> eMail: [email protected]
> Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
>
> Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
> http://www.imagingscience.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> Bob Mankin
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:44
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital
> Video Recorder
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Doug, my Comcast Motorola 6412 is built in Taiwan
>
>
> I believe the SA boxes are built in Juarez Mexico
> these days.
>
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of
> > Doug Weil
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:12 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition
> Digital Video Recorder
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Rodolfo,
> >
> > Thanks for the quick follow-up on this.
> >
> > It's interesting that the FCC issues mandates and
> then only enforces them
> > when it comes to importation of equipment. Maybe
> I'm overly jaded on this
> > point, but I don't think it's coincidental that
> the cable companies use
> > largely US-built boxes, such as Scientific
> Atlanta, General Instrument and
> > Motorola.
> >
> > This seems like another example of how the FCC
> picks and chooses its
> > fights
> > based on the easy (foreign) targets.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
>
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The 1394 port on the 6412 is active. I use it to archive programs to my JVC
HD300000.

Ed
Ed Romain
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Vrolyk" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> My motorola 6412 has a 1394 port and an open rear slot
> for another device / hard drive ?
> I do not know if the 1394 is active, since my TV has
> no connection and my PCs do not either.
>
>
> --- Doug Weil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Thanks, Bob. Does your Motorola box include DVI/HDMI
>> and/or Firewire?
>>
>> Also, Rodolfo, in pursuing this locally, someone
>> raised the question whether
>> this is a "blanket requirement," or whether a cable
>> company simply needs to
>> be able to offer a DVI/HDMI or Firewire solution if
>> someone requires it.
>>
>> I suspect that it's not a blanket requirement, but
>> it's interesting that the
>> MOXI (DVR) box offered here by Charter currently has
>> neither, and offering
>> an alternative would mean giving up DVR
>> capabilities, so the net effect is
>> pretty ineffectual.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Doug
>> Clearly Resolved Image & Sound
>>
>> Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
>> Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993
>>
>> eMail: [email protected]
>> Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com
>>
>> Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
>> http://www.imagingscience.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine
>> On Behalf
>> Of
>> Bob Mankin
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:44
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital
>> Video Recorder
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Doug, my Comcast Motorola 6412 is built in Taiwan
>>
>>
>> I believe the SA boxes are built in Juarez Mexico
>> these days.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: HDTV Magazine
>> On Behalf
>> Of
>> > Doug Weil
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:12 PM
>> > To: HDTV Magazine
>> > Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition
>> Digital Video Recorder
>> >
>> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>> >
>> > Rodolfo,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the quick follow-up on this.
>> >
>> > It's interesting that the FCC issues mandates and
>> then only enforces them
>> > when it comes to importation of equipment. Maybe
>> I'm overly jaded on this
>> > point, but I don't think it's coincidental that
>> the cable companies use
>> > largely US-built boxes, such as Scientific
>> Atlanta, General Instrument and
>> > Motorola.
>> >
>> > This seems like another example of how the FCC
>> picks and chooses its
>> > fights
>> > based on the easy (foreign) targets.
>> >
>> > Doug
>> >
>> >
>>
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Rudolpho;

Does this ruling also apply to the HD receivers from DirecTV and
DishNetwork?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodolfo La Maestra" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Dave,
>
> Check my comments on January CES 2005 report about these units.
>
> When they came out they were released without 1394 connections (and I
> believe they are still not
> updated), the lack of those connections means that the tuned signal can
> not be output for D-VHS
> archival, if you ever need to store a HDTV copy of a program the unit will
> not allow you to do it.
> I point out this weakness over a year ago before the CES report came out
> on an article at HDTVetc
> magazine, and at the Tips List as well.
>
> It is important to note that the FCC has mandated all cable tuners to be
> suited with 1394 by April
> 2004 (and with DVI/HDMI by July 2005), a subscriber with a leased STB
> could request the cable
> provider one newer STB with those features (they will not supply one
> unless your request it), the
> actual situation is that they are dragging their feet supplying those
> units, but the important
> difference is that if you buy the unit (Sony in this case) you are stuck.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> This is the excerpt of the agreement (full detail on page 16 of 2005
> report):
>
> "A cable agreement plan was also approved for phased-in use of two digital
> interface connectors on
> new digital cable-ready TVs and/or cable set-top converter boxes,
> including a) Starting April 1st
> 2004, IEEE-1394 'FireWire/iLink' connections with Digital Transmission
> Content Protection (DTCP) for
> recordable and networkable compressed video streams, and b) By July 1,
> 2005, the non-recordable
> DVI/HDMI with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) connections
> on digital televisions
> and cable set-top boxes."
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Additionally, on page 94 you will find the full detail of the Sony cable
> boxes (as follows):
>
> In 2004, Sony announced the following 2004/5 models:
>
> HD QAM Cable STBs with DVR
> On Sony's press release of February 04, the company announced the future
> introduction (by fall 04)
> of two new Cable HD-STBs with DVR capabilities, featuring ATSC/NTSC/QAM
> CableCARD tuners
> implementing Sony Passage integrated decryption technology. The boxes
> were said to be suited with
> HDMI/HDCP, Gemstar integrated EPG, component output, flexible AR settings,
> DD 5.1 w/optical audio
> out, USB data ports, and memory stick for JPEG and MPEG1, as follows:
>
> DHG-HDD100 $700, TTM fall 04, 120GB HDD, 120 hours SD, 12 hours HD
> DHG-HDD200 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 200 hours SD, 25 hours HD
>
> However, later, in August 04, Sony issued a different press release
> announcing the future
> introduction of other models, as follows:
>
> DHG-HDD250 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 20 hours of HD recording
> DHG-HDD500 $1000, TTM fall 04, 500GB HDD (two 250GB HDDs), 60 hours of HD
>
> At CES 2005, Sony has confirmed that they decided to replace the two
> original models (100 and 200)
> even before they were expected to appear in fall 04.
>
> It is important to note that these HD-STBs have a connectivity limitation:
> they lack IEEE1394
> Firewire T input/outputs. This means that a tuned/stored HD content would
> not be able to be output
> to a D-VHS recorder for HD tape archival, nor it could be part of digital
> networking of compressed
> HD video with other devices or displays.
>
> Additionally, such limitation does not comply with a specification
> requiring 1394 digital
> connectivity on Cable HD-STBs established in the plug-and-play agreement
> made by the Cable and
> Consumer Electronics industry, and approved by the FCC. If you are
> interested in more details, this
> subject was covered on my article "HDTV Integrated Tuners and You" that
> appeared on the second issue
> of the HDTVetc magazine.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> When they released these units with such handicap even after the FCC
> mandate (to comply be April
> 2004) I frankly lost my interest on following up with Sony after 18
> months, I assume they are still
> without 1394 as originally released.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> David O. Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:43 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Anyone have experience or knowledge about the HD VCR listed below:
>
> Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
> I was told that when the HD VCR's came out, they wouldn't work with
> my
> older Toshiba 16x 9 HD TV, because the VCR would not have component
> outputs.
> So much for that rumor, this HD-VCR does have component outputs.
>
> Anyone have one? Heard anything good or bad about it? Goes for $638
> at
> Old Abes. Sounds like a dooable price.
>
> Just wondered
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
> Janesville, WI
>
>
>
>
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Hi David,

Caught this out of the 210 messages that are in my box.

Ordered one, using it, seems to work, correct black levels via
component, TV Guide works but sucks all at the same time, cable card
required to get your digital cable channels to map correctly, tuner
sensitivity does not seem any better than my sammy 151 or Zenith HDR230,
don;t much care for driving the thing but it works and most importantly...

If you wanna play and record at the same time you can!

Still checking signal integrity... I almost have to say no matter since
there really isn;t much of a choice out there so you takes what you can
get...

Charter has cable cards on back order... ARGH!

Thanks

--
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>
> Anyone have experience or knowledge about the HD VCR listed below:
>
> Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
> I was told that when the HD VCR's came out, they wouldn't work
> with my older Toshiba 16x 9 HD TV, because the VCR would not have
> component outputs. So much for that rumor, this HD-VCR does have
> component outputs.
>
> Anyone have one? Heard anything good or bad about it? Goes for
> $638 at Old Abes. Sounds like a dooable price.
>
> Just wondered
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
> Janesville, WI
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Richard,

If I read this right, you purchased this Sony box and have requested a cable
card from your Cable system so that you can receive the channels you have
paid for without renting one of their boxes.

If this is correct do all Cable systems have to supply a cable card if the
customer requests one? Or is is that Charter actually has one whereas others
do not?


On 8/18/05 8:14 PM, "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hi David,
>
> Caught this out of the 210 messages that are in my box.
>
> Ordered one, using it, seems to work, correct black levels via
> component, TV Guide works but sucks all at the same time, cable card
> required to get your digital cable channels to map correctly, tuner
> sensitivity does not seem any better than my sammy 151 or Zenith HDR230,
> don;t much care for driving the thing but it works and most importantly...
>
> If you wanna play and record at the same time you can!
>
> Still checking signal integrity... I almost have to say no matter since
> there really isn;t much of a choice out there so you takes what you can
> get...
>
> Charter has cable cards on back order... ARGH!
>
> Thanks



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Doug,

Only is a subscriber requests the features, but they are dragging their feet, as well as the
suppliers of their boxes, many boxes come with/without connections and with/without activation even
when the jacks are present, is a hit and match situation, but I would not give up if I would be a
cable subscriber.

For a better wording of the mandate please consult the report or the email I sent earlier at the
start of this exchange (sorry the delay, I am traveling on the west coast having a bad time with a
convertible and I do not connect until I get to the hotels). Fell free to use the text to show to
the cable company.


Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra



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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:40 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


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Thanks, Bob. Does your Motorola box include DVI/HDMI and/or Firewire?

Also, Rodolfo, in pursuing this locally, someone raised the question whether
this is a "blanket requirement," or whether a cable company simply needs to
be able to offer a DVI/HDMI or Firewire solution if someone requires it.

I suspect that it's not a blanket requirement, but it's interesting that the
MOXI (DVR) box offered here by Charter currently has neither, and offering
an alternative would mean giving up DVR capabilities, so the net effect is
pretty ineffectual.

Regards,


Doug
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:44
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder

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Doug, my Comcast Motorola 6412 is built in Taiwan

I believe the SA boxes are built in Juarez Mexico these days.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Doug Weil
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:12 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
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>
> Rodolfo,
>
> Thanks for the quick follow-up on this.
>
> It's interesting that the FCC issues mandates and then only enforces them
> when it comes to importation of equipment. Maybe I'm overly jaded on this
> point, but I don't think it's coincidental that the cable companies use
> largely US-built boxes, such as Scientific Atlanta, General Instrument and
> Motorola.
>
> This seems like another example of how the FCC picks and chooses its
> fights
> based on the easy (foreign) targets.
>
> Doug
>
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Ed,

Interesting enough they should be included as Multi channel providers, but when the FCC agreement
was issued they claimed that they were not invited and said "this is not over yet". Actually they
never did include themselves with such conditions (other than DVI/HDMI), you will not find a
satellite STB manufactured with 1394, except than www.169time.com aftermarket modifications to some
boxes.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

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Rudolpho;

Does this ruling also apply to the HD receivers from DirecTV and
DishNetwork?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodolfo La Maestra" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


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>
> Dave,
>
> Check my comments on January CES 2005 report about these units.
>
> When they came out they were released without 1394 connections (and I
> believe they are still not
> updated), the lack of those connections means that the tuned signal can
> not be output for D-VHS
> archival, if you ever need to store a HDTV copy of a program the unit will
> not allow you to do it.
> I point out this weakness over a year ago before the CES report came out
> on an article at HDTVetc
> magazine, and at the Tips List as well.
>
> It is important to note that the FCC has mandated all cable tuners to be
> suited with 1394 by April
> 2004 (and with DVI/HDMI by July 2005), a subscriber with a leased STB
> could request the cable
> provider one newer STB with those features (they will not supply one
> unless your request it), the
> actual situation is that they are dragging their feet supplying those
> units, but the important
> difference is that if you buy the unit (Sony in this case) you are stuck.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> This is the excerpt of the agreement (full detail on page 16 of 2005
> report):
>
> "A cable agreement plan was also approved for phased-in use of two digital
> interface connectors on
> new digital cable-ready TVs and/or cable set-top converter boxes,
> including a) Starting April 1st
> 2004, IEEE-1394 'FireWire/iLink' connections with Digital Transmission
> Content Protection (DTCP) for
> recordable and networkable compressed video streams, and b) By July 1,
> 2005, the non-recordable
> DVI/HDMI with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) connections
> on digital televisions
> and cable set-top boxes."
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Additionally, on page 94 you will find the full detail of the Sony cable
> boxes (as follows):
>
> In 2004, Sony announced the following 2004/5 models:
>
> HD QAM Cable STBs with DVR
> On Sony's press release of February 04, the company announced the future
> introduction (by fall 04)
> of two new Cable HD-STBs with DVR capabilities, featuring ATSC/NTSC/QAM
> CableCARD tuners
> implementing Sony Passage integrated decryption technology. The boxes
> were said to be suited with
> HDMI/HDCP, Gemstar integrated EPG, component output, flexible AR settings,
> DD 5.1 w/optical audio
> out, USB data ports, and memory stick for JPEG and MPEG1, as follows:
>
> DHG-HDD100 $700, TTM fall 04, 120GB HDD, 120 hours SD, 12 hours HD
> DHG-HDD200 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 200 hours SD, 25 hours HD
>
> However, later, in August 04, Sony issued a different press release
> announcing the future
> introduction of other models, as follows:
>
> DHG-HDD250 $800, TTM fall 04, 250GB HDD, 20 hours of HD recording
> DHG-HDD500 $1000, TTM fall 04, 500GB HDD (two 250GB HDDs), 60 hours of HD
>
> At CES 2005, Sony has confirmed that they decided to replace the two
> original models (100 and 200)
> even before they were expected to appear in fall 04.
>
> It is important to note that these HD-STBs have a connectivity limitation:
> they lack IEEE1394
> Firewire T input/outputs. This means that a tuned/stored HD content would
> not be able to be output
> to a D-VHS recorder for HD tape archival, nor it could be part of digital
> networking of compressed
> HD video with other devices or displays.
>
> Additionally, such limitation does not comply with a specification
> requiring 1394 digital
> connectivity on Cable HD-STBs established in the plug-and-play agreement
> made by the Cable and
> Consumer Electronics industry, and approved by the FCC. If you are
> interested in more details, this
> subject was covered on my article "HDTV Integrated Tuners and You" that
> appeared on the second issue
> of the HDTVetc magazine.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> When they released these units with such handicap even after the FCC
> mandate (to comply be April
> 2004) I frankly lost my interest on following up with Sony after 18
> months, I assume they are still
> without 1394 as originally released.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> David O. Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:43 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
>
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>
> Anyone have experience or knowledge about the HD VCR listed below:
>
> Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>
> I was told that when the HD VCR's came out, they wouldn't work with
> my
> older Toshiba 16x 9 HD TV, because the VCR would not have component
> outputs.
> So much for that rumor, this HD-VCR does have component outputs.
>
> Anyone have one? Heard anything good or bad about it? Goes for $638
> at
> Old Abes. Sounds like a dooable price.
>
> Just wondered
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
> Janesville, WI
>
>
>
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>If I read this right, you purchased this Sony box and have requested a
cable
>card from your Cable system so that you can receive the channels you have
>paid for without renting one of their boxes.

I also have a cable box so technically I can watch it, when they make
me.

Ya, I have http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3629

I'm over it. Could care less about playing movies, no problem but with
TV? A DVR will spoil you and well, I am spoiled. I often times wonder if
this by itself is not the major hurdle to overcome for HDTV. Convenient
programming when I want to watch it. Most who were using a VCR moved on
to DVRs and they are more likely to want HD than VCR owners who have yet
to even migrate to DVD.

Back to the card.. here in Atlanta no Charter cards and... no HD STBs...
no HD DVRs... well not available in my area yet since January...it's all
a back order waiting line and in the end Comcast and Adelphia just seem
to rule!

So I am major league HD frustrated but this Sony seems real promising
even if again I shelled out to watch HD programming. I guess that is the
entrance fee to TV on my time and schedule... at least... it can play
and record at the same time. That !@$% Zenith was just like having a
VCR, literally in function, I was in disbelief but then like now there
simply wasn't much to choose from. It really stunk while my Panny 2 and
85 DVRs were simply lovely for SD.

>>If this is correct do all Cable systems have to supply a cable card
if the
customer requests one?

Supposedly yes. Charter claims back order, same with the STBs. I have
mentioned this back order stuff in the past here on the TIPS and
received little response.

>>Or is is that Charter actually has one whereas others do not?

From what I understand, the other way around. One of the few times in
my 15 years s a customer that I really dislike my cable company.

Thanks


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James Healy wrote:

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>
>Richard,
>
>If I read this right, you purchased this Sony box and have requested a cable
>card from your Cable system so that you can receive the channels you have
>paid for without renting one of their boxes.
>
>If this is correct do all Cable systems have to supply a cable card if the
>customer requests one? Or is is that Charter actually has one whereas others
>do not?
>
>
>On 8/18/05 8:14 PM, "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
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>>
>>Hi David,
>>
>>Caught this out of the 210 messages that are in my box.
>>
>>Ordered one, using it, seems to work, correct black levels via
>>component, TV Guide works but sucks all at the same time, cable card
>>required to get your digital cable channels to map correctly, tuner
>>sensitivity does not seem any better than my sammy 151 or Zenith HDR230,
>>don;t much care for driving the thing but it works and most importantly...
>>
>>If you wanna play and record at the same time you can!
>>
>>Still checking signal integrity... I almost have to say no matter since
>>there really isn;t much of a choice out there so you takes what you can
>>get...
>>
>>Charter has cable cards on back order... ARGH!
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>
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Richard:

Thanks for the info. I also have Charter. I will be interested to see how
the card works for you, once you get it.

Dave
Janesville, WI
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Hi David,
>
> Caught this out of the 210 messages that are in my box.
>
> Ordered one, using it, seems to work, correct black levels via component,
> TV Guide works but sucks all at the same time, cable card required to get
> your digital cable channels to map correctly, tuner sensitivity does not
> seem any better than my sammy 151 or Zenith HDR230, don;t much care for
> driving the thing but it works and most importantly...
>
> If you wanna play and record at the same time you can!
>
> Still checking signal integrity... I almost have to say no matter since
> there really isn;t much of a choice out there so you takes what you can
> get...
>
> Charter has cable cards on back order... ARGH!
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> David O. Lewis wrote:
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Anyone have experience or knowledge about the HD VCR listed below:
>>
>> Sony DHG-HDD250 High-Definition Digital Video Recorder
>>
>> I was told that when the HD VCR's came out, they wouldn't work with
>> my older Toshiba 16x 9 HD TV, because the VCR would not have component
>> outputs. So much for that rumor, this HD-VCR does have component outputs.
>>
>> Anyone have one? Heard anything good or bad about it? Goes for $638
>> at Old Abes. Sounds like a dooable price.
>>
>> Just wondered
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Dave
>> Janesville, WI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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