Sony SXRD

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At 09:02 PM 11/24/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Thanks Joe, good to hear. For what it's worth here is the link to the
>AVSforum site:

Please. Take whatever you read over on the AVS forum with a grain of
salt. I've been a long time member of that forum but refuse to post
there any more on a regular basis because of the type of petty stuff
that goes on there daily. True, they have a large volume of messages
about just about any topic or piece of equipment, but once the thread
reaches a couple of pages or so, the vultures appear and the thread
generally disintegrates into name calling and disbelief. There are
some very knowledgeable people over on the AVS but, unfortunately,
the inmates have been allowed to take over the asylum and you can't
always believe what you read there. The true experts are often
overtaken by the pseudo-experts who think they know what they are
talking about.

In other words, although perfection doesn't exist with any consumer
product, you'd be led to believe that everything out there is a piece
of garbage which is clearly not the case. I saw the SONYs in
question at CEDIA and my only reservation was the fact that 1080p is
not accepted as an input on these sets. This eliminates using an
external scaler on those sets which leaves you at the mercy of the
quality of the internal scaler. While it might be fine now, I
suspect that scaler improvements in the relatively near future may
cause people to be sorry that they purchased this set within it's
normal life span. However, if you like the picture and can live with
how the SONY performs scaling to 1080p then you should consider these
sets on your short list. I find it humorous (and a bit unsettling)
that people are being told over there what they should like and that
if they don't agree with the complainers then they must not know what
they are seeing. That's just plain ridiculous.




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Hugh,
I haven't seen the descriptions on the AVS forum but the store I work in
sells the sets and we've had 0 failures so far and the folks that have
bought them love them.

Cheers,
Joe Hart


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From: Hugh Campbell [email protected]
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:51:17 -0500
To: [email protected]
Subject: Sony SXRD


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I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony SXRD
sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had any
problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
if
it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his first
HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.

Hugh


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Thanks Joe, good to hear. For what it's worth here is the link to the
AVSforum site:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... ost6593964

Hugh



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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD


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Hugh,
I haven't seen the descriptions on the AVS forum but the store I work in
sells the sets and we've had 0 failures so far and the folks that have
bought them love them.

Cheers,
Joe Hart


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From: Hugh Campbell [email protected]
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:51:17 -0500
To: [email protected]
Subject: Sony SXRD


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I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony SXRD
sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had any
problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
if
it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his first
HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.

Hugh


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Isn't there only one 1080P RP set on sale right now that will accept 1080P
over the HDMI? The HP 1080P DLP sets. My Samsung will accept 1080P but only
over the VGA input, which really shines on 1080P WMV-HD content.
I would think that the 2006 models from everyone will accept 1080P over the
HDMI. I know at least that Samsung has stated publicly that their sets will.

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To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD


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>
> At 09:02 PM 11/24/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>Thanks Joe, good to hear. For what it's worth here is the link to the
>>AVSforum site:
>
> Please. Take whatever you read over on the AVS forum with a grain of salt.
> I've been a long time member of that forum but refuse to post there any
> more on a regular basis because of the type of petty stuff that goes on
> there daily. True, they have a large volume of messages about just about
> any topic or piece of equipment, but once the thread reaches a couple of
> pages or so, the vultures appear and the thread generally disintegrates
> into name calling and disbelief. There are some very knowledgeable people
> over on the AVS but, unfortunately, the inmates have been allowed to take
> over the asylum and you can't always believe what you read there. The
> true experts are often overtaken by the pseudo-experts who think they know
> what they are talking about.
>
> In other words, although perfection doesn't exist with any consumer
> product, you'd be led to believe that everything out there is a piece of
> garbage which is clearly not the case. I saw the SONYs in question at
> CEDIA and my only reservation was the fact that 1080p is not accepted as
> an input on these sets. This eliminates using an external scaler on those
> sets which leaves you at the mercy of the quality of the internal scaler.
> While it might be fine now, I suspect that scaler improvements in the
> relatively near future may cause people to be sorry that they purchased
> this set within it's normal life span. However, if you like the picture
> and can live with how the SONY performs scaling to 1080p then you should
> consider these sets on your short list. I find it humorous (and a bit
> unsettling) that people are being told over there what they should like
> and that if they don't agree with the complainers then they must not know
> what they are seeing. That's just plain ridiculous.
>
>
>
>
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At 11:44 PM 11/24/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Isn't there only one 1080P RP set on sale right now that will accept 1080P
>over the HDMI? The HP 1080P DLP sets. My Samsung will accept 1080P but only
>over the VGA input, which really shines on 1080P WMV-HD content.
>I would think that the 2006 models from everyone will accept 1080P over the
>HDMI. I know at least that Samsung has stated publicly that their sets will.

Yes. that's the only model I saw at CEDIA that accepts 1080p (and the
model that I am currently working on getting for myself). You are
probably right that next year's CEDIA will include a lot more 1080p
input capable models (maybe even by CES) so to me (and to others like
Rodolfo) it seems to be prudent to wait a bit if HP isn't your set of
choice or if you don't want DLP.


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I read through part of the AVS discussion on the SXRD sets, and this
definitely brings to mind all of the problems that have been reported in the
past with variants of LCoS technology.

Toshiba was one of the first companies to sell an LCoS RPTV set, and
although the picture quality was great when the sets were working properly,
they suffered significant failures in the field and I know of at least two
customers personally who received full refunds when Toshiba withdrew from
the LCoS market.

Phillips also made a major commitment to LCoS manufacturing and they
ultimately shut down the entire project, taking a loss of a couple hundred
million dollars (IIRC). At one point, Intel was considered the great hope
for LCoS manufacturing, but it killed its LCoS project after not even a year
of effort. Although Intel never officially explained why it dropped out of
the LCoS game, difficulties in manufacturing were cited by several analysts
at the time.

JVC has been selling LCoS-based projectors (D-ILA) for several years and
RPTVs for the past 18 months or so. The projector sales volume has been low,
and I haven't had enough direct experience with the RPTVs to say whether
there's a defect risk there. I've only calibrated three of these sets. When
I recently checked in with one of these customers, he informed me that his
set failed and he was waiting for replacement of the light engine. I don't
consider this is particularly relevant considering the small sample, and I
haven't heard of a large volume of complaints about the JVC RPTVs.

Sony has its own version of LCoS known as SXRD. The early reports have been
very positive, for the $30K projector and the initial $13K RPTV. I think
it's worth pointing out that neither of those products were volume sellers,
and it's quite feasible that Sony made an extra effort on QA for those
products to reduce the risk of SXRD getting associated with past LCoS
failures. Along with the ability to work the "early adopter" crowd for
maximum margin, the higher price could easily justify a heightened QA
effort.

The newest Sony SXRD sets are obviously priced more for volume business, so
it's not entirely surprising to hear reports that QA is not as consistent as
the early low-volume SXRD products. Maybe the QA process now and before is
absolutely identical and the higher defect report rate is merely a function
of volume -- or maybe not.

I generally counsel customers to avoid jumping on a new technology bandwagon
early, and I think this still applies to LCoS in general, and Sony SXRD
specifically. If it's my $6K to spend, I either spend it elsewhere or hang
on another 12 to 18 months before committing to an LCoS display. No doubt
that's a very cautious approach, and is geared toward buyers who don't want
to repeat a $5K+ purchase every year. If a customer is oriented toward
spending several thousand dollars every few years on a new TV, then there
isn't any reason to hold back on SXRD, IMO.

I'll also concede that this "avoid new technology" approach isn't foolproof.
After being skeptical of the Samsung DLP sets the first couple of model
years, I became an enthusiastic advocate for them with the arrival and
shakeout of the HL-P series. Then, Samsung came along with the HL-R series
and took a significant step backward, making its edge enhancement "feature"
(DNIe) undefeatable and removing the service access required to properly
align the color decoder.

So, now I'm telling customers to avoid HL-R models and be on the lookout for
the HL-Ps on closeout.

FWIW, in the same vein, I've steered customers away from the HP 1080p sets,
which I think have two major strikes against them -- new 1080p technology
and the fact that HP has even less experience in the consumer TV business
than Westinghouse (which goes back 30 years).

Regards,


Doug
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Hugh Campbell
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 20:02
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD

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Thanks Joe, good to hear. For what it's worth here is the link to the
AVSforum site:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... ost6593964

Hugh



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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD


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Hugh,
I haven't seen the descriptions on the AVS forum but the store I work in
sells the sets and we've had 0 failures so far and the folks that have
bought them love them.

Cheers,
Joe Hart


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Hugh Campbell [email protected]
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:51:17 -0500
To: [email protected]
Subject: Sony SXRD


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I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony SXRD
sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had any
problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
if
it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his first
HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.

Hugh


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Doug Weil
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:49 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Sony SXRD
>
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>
> .............
>
>
> I'll also concede that this "avoid new technology" approach isn't
> foolproof.
> After being skeptical of the Samsung DLP sets the first couple of model
> years, I became an enthusiastic advocate for them with the arrival and
> shakeout of the HL-P series. Then, Samsung came along with the HL-R series
> and took a significant step backward, making its edge enhancement
> "feature"
> (DNIe) undefeatable and removing the service access required to properly
> align the color decoder.
>
> So, now I'm telling customers to avoid HL-R models and be on the lookout
> for
> the HL-Ps on closeout.
>
>

Doug, have you read through the lengthy AVS thread on disabling individual
settings on the Samsung 1080P which seem to effectively turn off DNIe?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. Did the HLP series _not_ have service
menu access like the HLR does?

When I compared the HLR to the HLP, I could notice a difference in PQ. Now
the price difference between these models had widened and it may not make
sense $$ wise.

I have trouble with the whole HDMI marketing machine. It's a great royalty
stream for the involved companies, but on the consumer side you're paying
$75-$100 on average for glorified cat6 cable technology, IMO. Has it been
shown that HDMI will support 1080P without issues? Remember the earlier 5.1
audio situation?

Bob
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I have a 6168 also. The picture is vastly improved with the DNIe turned off
isn't it?

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From: "Bob Mankin" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD


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>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Doug Weil
>> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:49 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: Sony SXRD
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> .............
>>
>>
>> I'll also concede that this "avoid new technology" approach isn't
>> foolproof.
>> After being skeptical of the Samsung DLP sets the first couple of model
>> years, I became an enthusiastic advocate for them with the arrival and
>> shakeout of the HL-P series. Then, Samsung came along with the HL-R
>> series
>> and took a significant step backward, making its edge enhancement
>> "feature"
>> (DNIe) undefeatable and removing the service access required to properly
>> align the color decoder.
>>
>> So, now I'm telling customers to avoid HL-R models and be on the lookout
>> for
>> the HL-Ps on closeout.
>>
>>
>
> Doug, have you read through the lengthy AVS thread on disabling individual
> settings on the Samsung 1080P which seem to effectively turn off DNIe?
>
> Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. Did the HLP series _not_ have
> service
> menu access like the HLR does?
>
> When I compared the HLR to the HLP, I could notice a difference in PQ. Now
> the price difference between these models had widened and it may not make
> sense $$ wise.
>
> I have trouble with the whole HDMI marketing machine. It's a great royalty
> stream for the involved companies, but on the consumer side you're paying
> $75-$100 on average for glorified cat6 cable technology, IMO. Has it been
> shown that HDMI will support 1080P without issues? Remember the earlier
> 5.1
> audio situation?
>
> Bob
> Happily enjoying my freshly calibrated HL-R6168
>
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Bob,

The HL-P series has comprehensive service menu access for all the things
needed to calibrate those sets for an accurate image -- it's arguable that
no consumer television has provided greater scope.

Note that there were several different firmware versions for the HL-Ps and
the breadth of the service settings does vary a fair bit depending on the
firmware version of a particular set. I assume that the firmware on a
lagging HL-P set could be upgraded, but I've not actually attempted this.

I have seen the thread discussing how to disable DNIe, but the last I
checked a lot of it was inconclusive. I've attempted to implement some of
those suggested changes and some of them helped, while others did not. Also,
some of the DNIe-based settings have starting values of 12000 or 6000, and
it's not really viable to spend hours and hours during a calibration waiting
for those values to be reduced to zero. So, I'm feeling pretty negative
about the DNIe in the HL-Rs until Samsung makes it easily user-defeatable.

On HDMI, I'm not aware this being a consumer rip-off -- maybe it is and
maybe it isn't, but in any event it's not the first time consumers are being
forced pay a high price for something they may not need (built-in ATSC
tuners come to mind).

I don't know of any reason that HDMI can't support 1080p, but I'm not an
expert on this. My understanding is that HDMI was designed to support the
datastream necessary to support a full 1080p datastream, but that initial
HDMI chip sets were limited to 1080i bandwidth for the practical reason that
this was the most demanding signal available.

I've also read reports that some manufacturers have said that HDMI/DVI
limitations was the reason that their initial 1080p sets don't handle a
1080p signal. But apparently there are chipsets available capable of higher
bandwidth and this appears to be a design decision, not a technology
limitation.

But, I can't vouch for the 100% accuracy of any of the situation on HDMI and
1080p -- it's probably best treated as rumor or speculation at this point.

Regards,


Doug
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:13
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Doug Weil
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:49 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: Sony SXRD
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> .............
>
>
> I'll also concede that this "avoid new technology" approach isn't
> foolproof.
> After being skeptical of the Samsung DLP sets the first couple of model
> years, I became an enthusiastic advocate for them with the arrival and
> shakeout of the HL-P series. Then, Samsung came along with the HL-R series
> and took a significant step backward, making its edge enhancement
> "feature"
> (DNIe) undefeatable and removing the service access required to properly
> align the color decoder.
>
> So, now I'm telling customers to avoid HL-R models and be on the lookout
> for
> the HL-Ps on closeout.
>
>

Doug, have you read through the lengthy AVS thread on disabling individual
settings on the Samsung 1080P which seem to effectively turn off DNIe?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. Did the HLP series _not_ have service
menu access like the HLR does?

When I compared the HLR to the HLP, I could notice a difference in PQ. Now
the price difference between these models had widened and it may not make
sense $$ wise.

I have trouble with the whole HDMI marketing machine. It's a great royalty
stream for the involved companies, but on the consumer side you're paying
$75-$100 on average for glorified cat6 cable technology, IMO. Has it been
shown that HDMI will support 1080P without issues? Remember the earlier 5.1
audio situation?

Bob
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Sony KDSR60XBR1, KDSR50XBR1 Reviews
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5783

Richard Fisher
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Hugh Campbell wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Thanks Joe, good to hear. For what it's worth here is the link to the
> AVSforum site:
> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... ost6593964
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Sony SXRD
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> Hugh,
> I haven't seen the descriptions on the AVS forum but the store I work in
> sells the sets and we've had 0 failures so far and the folks that have
> bought them love them.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe Hart
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Hugh Campbell [email protected]
> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:51:17 -0500
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Sony SXRD
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony SXRD
> sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had any
> problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
> Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
> if
> it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his first
> HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.
>
> Hugh
>
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Richard,

Thanks for the links. I read that review in Home Theater Mag. when it came
out. That is the reason I looked closely at the set but you never know what
issues are going to come along until you have had one in your house for a
few weeks or months. I've seen the set in CC, BB and Sears and except for
CC it had the best PQ of any set I have looked at in a store. Then I saw
the comments on the AVSforum and started wondering about the issues Doug
mentioned including the problems Toshiba had with the manufacturing. I
guess it will take until about this time next year to see how it all shakes
out.

Hugh



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Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD


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> Sony KDSR60XBR1, KDSR50XBR1 Reviews
> http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5783
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Hugh Campbell wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Thanks Joe, good to hear. For what it's worth here is the link to the
>> AVSforum site:
>> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... ost6593964
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Sony SXRD
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>
>> Hugh,
>> I haven't seen the descriptions on the AVS forum but the store I work in
>> sells the sets and we've had 0 failures so far and the folks that have
>> bought them love them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Joe Hart
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Hugh Campbell [email protected]
>> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:51:17 -0500
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Sony SXRD
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony
>> SXRD
>> sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had any
>> problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
>> Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
>> if
>> it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his
>> first
>> HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.
>>
>> Hugh
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We've had a 60" SXRD in our home for around a month. To date, I'm "thrilled
with it". It's picture is "amazing".

I'm not the type that is happy with all my audio/video purchases. As I've
said before, when I got my Mitsubishi RPTV four years ago; I wasn't
satisfied until it had been fully ISF'ed and I had added a Lumagen to make
standard definition acceptable.

There are numerous SXRD threads on AVS, and since I'm retired (i.e., have
the time) I'm familiar with all the input. One complaint is that I believe
two people had severe "image retention" (Sony immediately replaced those
sets). Additionally, a few people have either blue or purple "splotches" at
various points on the active screen. However, the most common problem
(maybe 10 people) is that people say they can see some blue, purple, or
green on a totally dark screen. Only a few can see it if there is any light
in the room or on an active (has a picture) part of the screen. It's at the
point where people crouch right in front of the screen (with contrast and
brightness turned way up), with no light in the room, and place the set on
an inactive input and say they may be able to see some blue of maybe light
in one corner or another--but they are not sure. Most feel that it is the
light engine. It's amazing how some people become "paranoid" about
something that "may be" wrong with their set. Sony has scheduled a couple
light engine replacements for people who wanted them. But most of owners
are so happy with the set, despite "maybe seeing some blue", they are afraid
that a replacement or new light engine would leave them with some inferior
to they currently have in their home. Most of them are waiting to see if a
new light engine takes away the "hint of or possible blue" on their totally
dark screens or the black bars on SD.

Back to my set. As I said no problems that I can see with my eyes in a dark
room or well lit room (by the way, these sets are absolutely great in a sun
lit room during the day). Right out of the box it looked great; however,
the sets have a very broad range of customer level adjustments. I played
with Avia and DVE screens for several days, found no problems, and got the
normal user adjustments to where I was happy. Last week I finally used the
DVE disk and the user adjustments for gray scale . I'm sure mine wouldn't
be perfect on ISF quality instruments; however it now looks perfect to my
eyes (which is probably the most important thing). The gray scale
adjustments did improve the picture.

I know the set does not accept 1080p. However, I am not a gamer, do not
plan to ever use it as a computer screen, and don't expect to see any 1080p
broadcasting for years. It does a good enough job on interlaced signals
that I probably would never feel the need for an outboard processor. I'm
just as happy with it on 480i D* signals as I was with the
Lumagen/Mitsubishi combination. With it's ability to handle good 1080i, I
would be amazed if native 1080p could be noticeably better.

Bottom line: Now that I've had the SXRD in my house for a month, you could
not get it away from me no matter what "may" be coming next year.

Regards,
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Campbell" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 4:51 PM
Subject: Sony SXRD


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> I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony SXRD
> sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had any
> problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
> Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
> if it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his
> first HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.
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I thought you were the folks who had one. Glad to hear you are impressed
and enjoying it. It's got the best picture I've ever seen in a store or
house next to the Sony Qualia 006. Sometimes I wonder if some of the people
on the AVSforum don't work for the competition or have an interest of some
nature.

Hugh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard and Carrie Bray" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD


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>
> We've had a 60" SXRD in our home for around a month. To date, I'm
> "thrilled with it". It's picture is "amazing".
>
> I'm not the type that is happy with all my audio/video purchases. As I've
> said before, when I got my Mitsubishi RPTV four years ago; I wasn't
> satisfied until it had been fully ISF'ed and I had added a Lumagen to make
> standard definition acceptable.
>
> There are numerous SXRD threads on AVS, and since I'm retired (i.e., have
> the time) I'm familiar with all the input. One complaint is that I
> believe two people had severe "image retention" (Sony immediately replaced
> those sets). Additionally, a few people have either blue or purple
> "splotches" at various points on the active screen. However, the most
> common problem (maybe 10 people) is that people say they can see some
> blue, purple, or green on a totally dark screen. Only a few can see it if
> there is any light in the room or on an active (has a picture) part of the
> screen. It's at the point where people crouch right in front of the
> screen (with contrast and brightness turned way up), with no light in the
> room, and place the set on an inactive input and say they may be able to
> see some blue of maybe light in one corner or another--but they are not
> sure. Most feel that it is the light engine. It's amazing how some
> people become "paranoid" about something that "may be" wrong with their
> set. Sony has scheduled a couple light engine replacements for people who
> wanted them. But most of owners are so happy with the set, despite "maybe
> seeing some blue", they are afraid that a replacement or new light engine
> would leave them with some inferior to they currently have in their home.
> Most of them are waiting to see if a new light engine takes away the "hint
> of or possible blue" on their totally dark screens or the black bars on
> SD.
>
> Back to my set. As I said no problems that I can see with my eyes in a
> dark room or well lit room (by the way, these sets are absolutely great in
> a sun lit room during the day). Right out of the box it looked great;
> however, the sets have a very broad range of customer level adjustments.
> I played with Avia and DVE screens for several days, found no problems,
> and got the normal user adjustments to where I was happy. Last week I
> finally used the DVE disk and the user adjustments for gray scale . I'm
> sure mine wouldn't be perfect on ISF quality instruments; however it now
> looks perfect to my eyes (which is probably the most important thing).
> The gray scale adjustments did improve the picture.
>
> I know the set does not accept 1080p. However, I am not a gamer, do not
> plan to ever use it as a computer screen, and don't expect to see any
> 1080p broadcasting for years. It does a good enough job on interlaced
> signals that I probably would never feel the need for an outboard
> processor. I'm just as happy with it on 480i D* signals as I was with the
> Lumagen/Mitsubishi combination. With it's ability to handle good 1080i, I
> would be amazed if native 1080p could be noticeably better.
>
> Bottom line: Now that I've had the SXRD in my house for a month, you
> could not get it away from me no matter what "may" be coming next year.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hugh Campbell" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 4:51 PM
> Subject: Sony SXRD
>
>
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>>
>> I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony
>> SXRD sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had
>> any problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
>> Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
>> if it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his
>> first HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.
>>
>> Hugh
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FWIW,

The "splotches" were one of the major issues with the Toshiba sets. In the
case of those, many viewers never saw them until months after their
purchase. Then, one day the spots appear, starting out small and growing
larger over time.

No idea what exactly causes this, but it does seem to be very specific to
the LCoS manufacturing process.

Hopefully Sony has found a way to reduce this and eventually eliminate it. I
agree that these sets have very promising out-of-the-box picture quality,
but until the LCoS track record is better, it still feels like a roll of the
dice.

Regards,


Doug
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard and Carrie Bray
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 14:10
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD

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We've had a 60" SXRD in our home for around a month. To date, I'm "thrilled

with it". It's picture is "amazing".

I'm not the type that is happy with all my audio/video purchases. As I've
said before, when I got my Mitsubishi RPTV four years ago; I wasn't
satisfied until it had been fully ISF'ed and I had added a Lumagen to make
standard definition acceptable.

There are numerous SXRD threads on AVS, and since I'm retired (i.e., have
the time) I'm familiar with all the input. One complaint is that I believe
two people had severe "image retention" (Sony immediately replaced those
sets). Additionally, a few people have either blue or purple "splotches" at

various points on the active screen. However, the most common problem
(maybe 10 people) is that people say they can see some blue, purple, or
green on a totally dark screen. Only a few can see it if there is any light

in the room or on an active (has a picture) part of the screen. It's at the

point where people crouch right in front of the screen (with contrast and
brightness turned way up), with no light in the room, and place the set on
an inactive input and say they may be able to see some blue of maybe light
in one corner or another--but they are not sure. Most feel that it is the
light engine. It's amazing how some people become "paranoid" about
something that "may be" wrong with their set. Sony has scheduled a couple
light engine replacements for people who wanted them. But most of owners
are so happy with the set, despite "maybe seeing some blue", they are afraid

that a replacement or new light engine would leave them with some inferior
to they currently have in their home. Most of them are waiting to see if a
new light engine takes away the "hint of or possible blue" on their totally
dark screens or the black bars on SD.

Back to my set. As I said no problems that I can see with my eyes in a dark

room or well lit room (by the way, these sets are absolutely great in a sun
lit room during the day). Right out of the box it looked great; however,
the sets have a very broad range of customer level adjustments. I played
with Avia and DVE screens for several days, found no problems, and got the
normal user adjustments to where I was happy. Last week I finally used the
DVE disk and the user adjustments for gray scale . I'm sure mine wouldn't
be perfect on ISF quality instruments; however it now looks perfect to my
eyes (which is probably the most important thing). The gray scale
adjustments did improve the picture.

I know the set does not accept 1080p. However, I am not a gamer, do not
plan to ever use it as a computer screen, and don't expect to see any 1080p
broadcasting for years. It does a good enough job on interlaced signals
that I probably would never feel the need for an outboard processor. I'm
just as happy with it on 480i D* signals as I was with the
Lumagen/Mitsubishi combination. With it's ability to handle good 1080i, I
would be amazed if native 1080p could be noticeably better.

Bottom line: Now that I've had the SXRD in my house for a month, you could
not get it away from me no matter what "may" be coming next year.

Regards,
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Campbell" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 4:51 PM
Subject: Sony SXRD


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> I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony SXRD

> sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had any
> problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
> Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
> if it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his
> first HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.
>
> Hugh
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Glad to hear a voice of reason. I sure don't want to shell out 5k plus
again for something that's going to be a boat anchor in less than five
years.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Doug Weil
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:49 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD


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I read through part of the AVS discussion on the SXRD sets, and this
definitely brings to mind all of the problems that have been reported in the
past with variants of LCoS technology.

Toshiba was one of the first companies to sell an LCoS RPTV set, and
although the picture quality was great when the sets were working properly,
they suffered significant failures in the field and I know of at least two
customers personally who received full refunds when Toshiba withdrew from
the LCoS market.

Phillips also made a major commitment to LCoS manufacturing and they
ultimately shut down the entire project, taking a loss of a couple hundred
million dollars (IIRC). At one point, Intel was considered the great hope
for LCoS manufacturing, but it killed its LCoS project after not even a year
of effort. Although Intel never officially explained why it dropped out of
the LCoS game, difficulties in manufacturing were cited by several analysts
at the time.

JVC has been selling LCoS-based projectors (D-ILA) for several years and
RPTVs for the past 18 months or so. The projector sales volume has been low,
and I haven't had enough direct experience with the RPTVs to say whether
there's a defect risk there. I've only calibrated three of these sets. When
I recently checked in with one of these customers, he informed me that his
set failed and he was waiting for replacement of the light engine. I don't
consider this is particularly relevant considering the small sample, and I
haven't heard of a large volume of complaints about the JVC RPTVs.

Sony has its own version of LCoS known as SXRD. The early reports have been
very positive, for the $30K projector and the initial $13K RPTV. I think
it's worth pointing out that neither of those products were volume sellers,
and it's quite feasible that Sony made an extra effort on QA for those
products to reduce the risk of SXRD getting associated with past LCoS
failures. Along with the ability to work the "early adopter" crowd for
maximum margin, the higher price could easily justify a heightened QA
effort.

The newest Sony SXRD sets are obviously priced more for volume business, so
it's not entirely surprising to hear reports that QA is not as consistent as
the early low-volume SXRD products. Maybe the QA process now and before is
absolutely identical and the higher defect report rate is merely a function
of volume -- or maybe not.

I generally counsel customers to avoid jumping on a new technology bandwagon
early, and I think this still applies to LCoS in general, and Sony SXRD
specifically. If it's my $6K to spend, I either spend it elsewhere or hang
on another 12 to 18 months before committing to an LCoS display. No doubt
that's a very cautious approach, and is geared toward buyers who don't want
to repeat a $5K+ purchase every year. If a customer is oriented toward
spending several thousand dollars every few years on a new TV, then there
isn't any reason to hold back on SXRD, IMO.

I'll also concede that this "avoid new technology" approach isn't foolproof.
After being skeptical of the Samsung DLP sets the first couple of model
years, I became an enthusiastic advocate for them with the arrival and
shakeout of the HL-P series. Then, Samsung came along with the HL-R series
and took a significant step backward, making its edge enhancement "feature"
(DNIe) undefeatable and removing the service access required to properly
align the color decoder.

So, now I'm telling customers to avoid HL-R models and be on the lookout for
the HL-Ps on closeout.

FWIW, in the same vein, I've steered customers away from the HP 1080p sets,
which I think have two major strikes against them -- new 1080p technology
and the fact that HP has even less experience in the consumer TV business
than Westinghouse (which goes back 30 years).

Regards,


Doug
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Hugh Campbell
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 20:02
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD

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Thanks Joe, good to hear. For what it's worth here is the link to the
AVSforum site:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... ost6593964

Hugh



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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Sony SXRD


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Hugh,
I haven't seen the descriptions on the AVS forum but the store I work in
sells the sets and we've had 0 failures so far and the folks that have
bought them love them.

Cheers,
Joe Hart


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From: Hugh Campbell [email protected]
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:51:17 -0500
To: [email protected]
Subject: Sony SXRD


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I believe that someone on here recently purchased one of the new Sony SXRD
sets, either the 50" or the 60". I was wondering if you have had any
problems with your set such as those being described on the AVSforum?
Normally only people with problems write in about them and you never know
if
it is just a few or something larger. My son is looking to buy his first
HDTV and I didn't want to suggest something with problems.

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