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Thanks Rodolfo, but the brother in law is my sister's husband. I'm not THAT nice of a person! lol
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From: Rodolfo La Maestra <
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To: HDTV Magazine <
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Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2006 11:41:26 AM
Subject: Re: Tepid interest seen for next-gen DVDs in 2006
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Perry,
Personally I believe that the market will end up with panels for direct view, and front projectors
for HT, but RPTVs will begin to give up their dominance no matter the technology they use.
Higher cost was one main reason panels did not take over RPTVs sooner, but is happening gradually,
within the next 12 to 18 months we will see LCD panels reaching plasma panel prices at the same
size, with 1080p, better response times, more discerning blacks, etc.
I have added a new section on the report that brings all the newer technologies, all of them are
flat.
DLP will grow when 3-chip 1080p without color-wheels and LED backlights are commonly used for lower
range lines, but I do not see DLP going away anytime soon due to the technology itself other than
above's takeover.
Regarding front projectors, just take a look at the light output of the Sony Ruby and the light
output of the newer 1080p DLP front projectors, soon to be on the streets. The Ruby has wonderful
resolution but is way too dim compared to DLP, great for a film lover that wants to reproduce the
low FL seen at the local cinema, too dim for ones accustomed to DLP striking whites, blacks and
depth.
I do not see DLP going away on that area, I see it growing firmer with 3 chip 1080p DMDs, no color
wheel, etc.
In a few months try to get to an Optoma dealer, ask them to give a demo of the future H81 1080p DLP
front projector and send me an email when you jaw stops dropping. Or do the same with the near
future Sharp 1080p model XV-Z20000. Both DLP, both in the range of 10-12K, both available in a few
months. Check my reviews and specs on the report. DLP going away? no way, TI is just getting their
lips wet with the 1080p dream at consumer homes.
Regarding your wait for a 60"+ plasma at lower prices, look for the soon to be available 65" Panny,
quoted to be as low as $8-9K, MSRP upon introduction (you know what that means for mail order
pricing after a couple of months of introduction), a stunning set indeed.
Regarding when they will start using the token, I suppose by when they consider they should stop
shooting their own feet with content protection for early adopters, how long is that? no official
word has been released about time.
Interestingly enough I made a full analysis of what that means for the current market of early
adopters on the Hidef DVD section, and the disaster it could be for either format to impose downrez
on 10 million people that have demonstrated to have the means to spend more for quality, just after
that, the Token was announced as not to be used by some studios; my second name must have been
Nostradamus, or I scared them enough.
I believe the opportunity of initially not using the Token would also bring the chance for properly
evaluating what an analog 1080i actually means for piracy.
If they measure the loses and profits correctly, not like the over inflated numbers the RIAA did for
CDs and the MPAA did for DVDs, it might show that using the Token is more harmful than beneficial in
the long run as well, due to the reuse of the existing 10 million sets for 2nd and 3rd rooms counted
within the 285 million sets that need to be replaced, a very large part of them identified as
standalone sets for prerecorded media and games, which is going the direction of, you guess: 1080p
Hidef DVD quality; so those 2nd and 3rd room sets would be limited on the resolution when the media
they are destined to play is full resolution. In other words, the Token might not actually be
implemented if the full scenario is seen as a business profit and loss picture, not as a "I want it
all scenario".
Sorry to hear about your personal situation, I was also broke for many years on my first divorce,
economically and otherwise, but you will get back on your feet Perry, you will see, hang in there
and your plasma will arrive in no time. You are indeed an excellent person when giving away your
Elite to the brother of the person you just split with, I do not see that everyday.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Perry Yastrov
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:23 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tepid interest seen for next-gen DVDs in 2006
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Hi Rodolfo,
Thanks for the thorough response. I understand your response regarding DLP, it just doesn't feel
like a long term winning technology to me. A non analytic response, yes.
I have a 42" plasma in my master bedroom. If and when LCD and/or Plasma is able to fully support
1080p at a reasonable cost, in the 60" range, then I will be interested. I do not have a spot for my
Pioneer, once I decide to replace it, so its going out the door when that time comes. Probably be
given to my bother in-law for the cost to ship it to him (he'll probably come and get it).
I'm pleased that the studios are not downrezing, yet. I'm wondering if that will continue, and if
so, what was the argument for having the flag to begin with?
I haven't missed out on DVD. I rent, I just don't buy. I rarely watch things more than once anyway.
My ex bought a lot of DVD's and took them with her when we split. I was one of those people who
bought up to about 300 laser disks, and still have them, but don't even have my laser disk player
hooked up anymore. Having been "burned" by that, I've learned my lesson, and do not intend to keep
throwing money into the same content in different formats, over and over again.
My financial situation has changed since I bought the Pioneer. I can no longer afford to be an early
adopter, so I must be patient until I am comfortable that my investment will be safe for a longer
period of time than I have in the past.
I watch a great deal of 1080i content over cable and over-air, with HDD recording capability for
both, so I'm not lacking for HD content.
Thanks again for your most thorough response.
Perry
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From: Rodolfo La Maestra <
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To: HDTV Magazine <
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Sent: Friday, May 5, 2006 1:38:31 PM
Subject: RE: Tepid interest seen for next-gen DVDs in 2006
Perry,
Your RPTV is one of the best sets ever created, now discontinued, and should give you many more
years of enjoyment, regardless what can 1080p give to the few pieces out there that can actually
handle it correctly.
Regarding the lamp cost on some DLPs, consider this: a couple hundred dollar lamp would renew the
DLP light output to about the same level when your TV was new, in other words, zero mileage light
output again. Do you want to know how much is to do the same on your triple-CRT Elite RPTV? ,
usually enough to consider trashing the set at the time it needs it due to the high price, which
what most people do. Lamp replacement is also a good way to extend the life of many sets that are
aligned to other places of the house.
There are several large LCD panels that can do 1080x1920 over the 40", just for a quick view check
the first page of the LCD panel section of last year (2005) report, free, a couple of dozens listed.
This year I did not produce a summary listing of that size range but they are detailed as usual
within the LCD section, at more reasonable prices, their problem was and still is that only a few
have gone down to 4 ms in response time, and their blacks are so deep that different black textures
together (like people hair) become a mass of even black, but they are getting there, Sharp is the
specialist on the technology.
In plasmas there were a couple of models for 1080p last year but got bumped to availability just
this year (LG 71" and Samsung 80" , if you are a millionaire, 150K for the Samsung), and now a few
others are joining that resolution such as Panasonic up to 65" and Pioneer Elite 50" (no 1080p
replacement for their 61"), with also smaller sizes than the 70+ of last year of LG. Plasmas will
be all the way up to 103" from Panasonic, 1080p as well.
Regarding you Hidef DVD dilemma, so far it looks as several studios have chosen to actually not use
the Token that downrez component analog of Hidef DVD outputs, so you might even squeeze a few more
years of your set life for 1080i pre-recorded content of the new Hidef DVD technology before newer
discs begin to use the Token , maybe within 5 years, depending of what the industry feels about 10
million early adopters replacement schedule for HDMI suited sets.
My take is that no matter if you are able and ready to replace you excellent Elite with a HDMI
suited set, that Elite would usually be put to service in another place of the house, and that place
would continue suffering the downrez limitation, so the pain of an impacted investment is not over,
regardless what the replacement standard the industry says is normal.
All those HDTVs are part of the 285 million NTSC sets that need to be replaced eventually as 1st,
2nd, 3rd room, etc, and should be counted out as the investment expected from the public for the
transition, a high price as an early adopter.
But the lack of planning for proper connectivity without obsolescence that disables earlier
capabilities, such as 1080i, should be a price the consumers should no pay, the effort of developing
and implementing the needed connectivity standard, whatever that would be, should have been done in
parallel to the HDTV development, certainly before the first HDTV was on the street in 1998.
The industry is not adding DVI and HDMI to just to improve our viewing, is because protection from a
few pirates is more important than millions of satisfied consumers, this overlook from day one
should be paid by some else, even the FCC not to mention the MPAA, not the consumer that helped
since 1998 with big bucks all the R&D for the sets we see today, today's sets are cheaper but in
many cases not necessarily better than your Elite.
Ironically the MPAA was also out and late when the 16x9 format was selected for HDTV, and complained
after.
If you have held yourself out of the DVD steamroller since 2000 I say that you certainly are a
disciplined person, resisting temptations indeed, but I believe that you have missed the beauty of
480p DVD on your set unnecessarily.
The DVD discs are cheap compared with what videophiles paid on the 90s for letterboxed LD (over 40$
a pop, I even paid higher than that, just letterboxed, not anamorphic), they are anamorphic to
maximize the vertical resolution, and they have 720 horizontal pixels of resolution, higher than
even LD, not to mention the under $20 price of the disc.
It will take a while before you see a good collection of HiDef DVDs on the street, so it is not too
late to consider having some content in the DVD format. But since you seem a person that does not
get affected by long waiting perhaps the soon to become available hybrid discs would allow you to
play back the DVD version on secondary DVD players on other rooms, houses, and capitalize on the
investment, if at the right price.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Perry Yastrov
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:55 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tepid interest seen for next-gen DVDs in 2006
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I'm in the same boat. Component-in TV, waiting see what happens with the format war, and looking for
the next dominant display technology. I don't care for LCD or Plasma for anything larger than around
40" as they are 720p displays, and I prefer 1080i, or eventually 1080p. I don't think DLP is a long
term contender, replacement of the lamp is too costly for the masses.
So I'm still using my 5 year old Pioneer Elite Pro-720HD, very happy with it, and as long as I can
get HD content over component I'm not replacing it.
If the high def DVD player's prices drop to say around $200, and the format war gets sorted out, and
I can use the component connection, then I will be ready to go for it. I've been putting off buying
DVD's since 2000, because I've been waiting for the high def DVD's to come out, so I'm still waiting
and watching.
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From: Jordan Meschkow <
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To: HDTV Magazine <
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Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2006 7:46:19 PM
Subject: Tepid interest seen for next-gen DVDs in 2006
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Fact or fiction? I kind of feel like this with a component-in only HDTV,
for now.
<http://news.com.com/Tepid+interest+seen+for+next-gen+DVDs+in+2006/2100-1041
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