The 1080P60 Myth

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George,

I completely concur. 1080P60 is not on the ATSC table 3, only 1080/24P and 1080/30i & P. However, that is the broadcast standard, which I also agree everything SHOULD follow.

That's not to say that 1080P60 couldn't be achieved locally (i.e. DVD to TV, or Game Console to TV) if manufactures chose to do so.

Rob Raffaele

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From: "George C. Palmer" <[email protected]>
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> I have a challenge for the techies that lurk on this list. Try and find
> 1080P60 on any version of the ATSC Table 3. Then try to find any signal
> source (camera, video recorder, disk array, HD DVD or Blue Ray, signal
> generator, network, television/film post production company, etc.) that
> conforms to the 1080P60 image format. A little clue: the widest
> digital bandwidth for any LISTED format in Table 3 is 1.5gB (before any
> of the massive transmission compression schemes); the digital bandwidth
> for 1080P60 is double that number, at 3 gB. Not being on ATSC Table 3
> probably dooms 1080P60 for at least 7-10 years as a usable imaging format.
>
> So why is it bad to have more display capability than you need? For the
> same reason that "uprezzing" of lower resolution formats has always
> yielded just awfully mediocre results, the format conversion of lower
> order HD signals (1080i60 and 720P60) to 1080P60 will introduce
> artifacts that will simply obviate the good intentions of having a
> higher order display.
> --
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the main problem is content... Most content is 24 frame film.

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

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> George,
>
> I completely concur. 1080P60 is not on the ATSC table 3, only 1080/24P and 1080/30i & P. However, that is the broadcast standard, which I also agree everything SHOULD follow.
>
> That's not to say that 1080P60 couldn't be achieved locally (i.e. DVD to TV, or Game Console to TV) if manufactures chose to do so.
>
> Rob Raffaele
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "George C. Palmer" <[email protected]>
>
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>>
>>I have a challenge for the techies that lurk on this list. Try and find
>>1080P60 on any version of the ATSC Table 3. Then try to find any signal
>>source (camera, video recorder, disk array, HD DVD or Blue Ray, signal
>>generator, network, television/film post production company, etc.) that
>>conforms to the 1080P60 image format. A little clue: the widest
>>digital bandwidth for any LISTED format in Table 3 is 1.5gB (before any
>>of the massive transmission compression schemes); the digital bandwidth
>>for 1080P60 is double that number, at 3 gB. Not being on ATSC Table 3
>>probably dooms 1080P60 for at least 7-10 years as a usable imaging format.
>>
>>So why is it bad to have more display capability than you need? For the
>>same reason that "uprezzing" of lower resolution formats has always
>>yielded just awfully mediocre results, the format conversion of lower
>>order HD signals (1080i60 and 720P60) to 1080P60 will introduce
>>artifacts that will simply obviate the good intentions of having a
>>higher order display.
>>--
>>*_____________________________
>>GEORGE C. PALMER
>>/ HDPIX, INC./
>>* HD and Digital Imaging*
>>HD R_x for your HD Pix
>>/www.HDPIX.COM <www.hdpix.com>
>>www.angenieux.com
>><HDPIX_Signature.html>/**http://www.angenieux.com/pages/index_frame.php?page=301
>>.php*
>>*Business: (702) 496-0100
>>*
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I agree. If anything, I see the game console's going 1080/60p before
anything else.


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From: "Richard Fisher" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: The 1080P60 Myth


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> the main problem is content... Most content is 24 frame film.
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> [email protected] wrote:
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>>
>> George,
>>
>> I completely concur. 1080P60 is not on the ATSC table 3, only 1080/24P
>> and 1080/30i & P. However, that is the broadcast standard, which I also
>> agree everything SHOULD follow. That's not to say that 1080P60 couldn't
>> be achieved locally (i.e. DVD to TV, or Game Console to TV) if
>> manufactures chose to do so.
>>
>> Rob Raffaele
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: "George C. Palmer" <[email protected]>
>>
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>>>
>>>I have a challenge for the techies that lurk on this list. Try and find
>>>1080P60 on any version of the ATSC Table 3. Then try to find any signal
>>>source (camera, video recorder, disk array, HD DVD or Blue Ray, signal
>>>generator, network, television/film post production company, etc.) that
>>>conforms to the 1080P60 image format. A little clue: the widest digital
>>>bandwidth for any LISTED format in Table 3 is 1.5gB (before any of the
>>>massive transmission compression schemes); the digital bandwidth for
>>>1080P60 is double that number, at 3 gB. Not being on ATSC Table 3
>>>probably dooms 1080P60 for at least 7-10 years as a usable imaging
>>>format.
>>>
>>>So why is it bad to have more display capability than you need? For the
>>>same reason that "uprezzing" of lower resolution formats has always
>>>yielded just awfully mediocre results, the format conversion of lower
>>>order HD signals (1080i60 and 720P60) to 1080P60 will introduce artifacts
>>>that will simply obviate the good intentions of having a higher order
>>>display.
>>>--
>>>*_____________________________
>>>GEORGE C. PALMER
>>>/ HDPIX, INC./
>>>* HD and Digital Imaging*
>>>HD R_x for your HD Pix
>>>/www.HDPIX.COM <www.hdpix.com>
>>>www.angenieux.com
>>><HDPIX_Signature.html>/**http://www.angenieux.com/pages/index_frame.php?page=301
>>>.php*
>>>*Business: (702) 496-0100
>>>*
>>>
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