This just makes me sooo mad ...

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#1
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Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case, only
480p?


-- M. Shane Sturgeon




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I hate it as well but it does say: "HDTV compatible with 720P,1080I & DVI with HDCP compatible" So
if you feed it a 720p signal it will be displayed...but not as 720p.

While I have not run into this problem with FP, I probably run into someone once a week who tells me
he can purchase a HDTV cheap and it's always a poorly worded ad..........well actually it is well
written for the manufacturer or retailer.

Hugh




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Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
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#3
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That, to me, borders on the deceitful and unethical. Someone should start a
website or something to bring this to the public's attention ... oh, wait
... ;-)

-- M. Shane Sturgeon



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I hate it as well but it does say: "HDTV compatible with 720P,1080I & DVI
with HDCP compatible" So
if you feed it a 720p signal it will be displayed...but not as 720p.

While I have not run into this problem with FP, I probably run into someone
once a week who tells me
he can purchase a HDTV cheap and it's always a poorly worded
ad..........well actually it is well
written for the manufacturer or retailer.

Hugh




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To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:05 PM
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

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Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case, only
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Because no one is educating the public at large on what exactly HDTV is.
Worse, most of the sales people at the chain outlets don't know much
more than the consumers. It just goes from bad to worse and ultimately
things like the projector you list below will leave many consumers with
a bad taste for HDTV. This, more than inflated programing costs will
hurt the cause.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL


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Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


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Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case,
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#5
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They get away with it because it's literally true, that the device is
compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you can feed it 720p or 1080i
programming and it will accept the signal but display it converted to its
native rate. This is what most CRT HDTVs have been doing all along. It's
also what EDTV plasmas have been doing. You already know this. There are
definite potential advantages to being able to display an HDTV signal, even
at reduced resolution. Some of these advantages are: wider aspect ratio,
digital signal, better color, better contrast, higher resolution than analog
NTSC, etc.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


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Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater Projector

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Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
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#6
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Shane,

What makes me sooo mad....... is TNTHD listing ALL of it's programs as
HD - even though they are 480i upconverted and stretched. I don't like
what they are doing with the images (stretch) BUT - you can't tell the
REAL HD from the FAKE HD on your listings (or any one else's listings).

THAT you should be able to do something about.

Dave Hancock

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>Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
>Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case, only
>480p?
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#7
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Granted, it's better than analog, but that doesn't make it HD. And while
it may be factual to call it "HDTV Compatible" ... you can't argue that
upon first glance most people will think this is an HDTV Projector, which
it clearly is not upon further inspection. This just screams "Marketing" to
me.

How many consumers (out of 10) do you think would be confused by this? Is
marketing like this slowing the adoption of HDTV?

-- M. Shane Sturgeon



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They get away with it because it's literally true, that the device is
compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you can feed it 720p or
1080i
programming and it will accept the signal but display it converted to its
native rate. This is what most CRT HDTVs have been doing all along. It's
also what EDTV plasmas have been doing. You already know this. There are
definite potential advantages to being able to display an HDTV signal, even
at reduced resolution. Some of these advantages are: wider aspect ratio,
digital signal, better color, better contrast, higher resolution than
analog
NTSC, etc.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater Projector

http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp


Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case, only
480p?


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#8
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Such maketing tatics are not productive to the
transition. As i tell my clients, if the display does
not prouduce full resolution of at least 720p , then
it is not hd. I clearly explain that ed and hd
compatible
will provide a better picture than they had before but
it is not HD.
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>
> Granted, it's better than analog, but that doesn't
> make it HD. And while
> it may be factual to call it "HDTV Compatible" ...
> you can't argue that
> upon first glance most people will think this is an
> HDTV Projector, which
> it clearly is not upon further inspection. This just
> screams "Marketing" to
> me.
>
> How many consumers (out of 10) do you think would be
> confused by this? Is
> marketing like this slowing the adoption of HDTV?
>
> -- M. Shane Sturgeon
>
>
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>
> They get away with it because it's literally true,
> that the device is
> compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you
> can feed it 720p or
> 1080i
> programming and it will accept the signal but
> display it converted to its
> native rate. This is what most CRT HDTVs have been
> doing all along. It's
> also what EDTV plasmas have been doing. You already
> know this. There are
> definite potential advantages to being able to
> display an HDTV signal, even
> at reduced resolution. Some of these advantages
> are: wider aspect ratio,
> digital signal, better color, better contrast,
> higher resolution than
> analog
> NTSC, etc.
>
> Best regards and beautiful pictures,
> Alan Brown, President
> CinemaQuest, Inc.
>
> "Advancing the art and science of electronic
> imaging"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater
> Projector
>
>
http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp
>
>
> Why do companies continue to get away with calling
> products "HDTV
> Compatible" when they display less than HD
> resolution? In this case, only
> 480p?
>
>
> -- M. Shane Sturgeon
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#9
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Nice try,

You have clients?

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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:44 PM
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Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...

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Such maketing tatics are not productive to the transition. As i tell my
clients, if the display does not prouduce full resolution of at least
720p , then it is not hd. I clearly explain that ed and hd compatible
will provide a better picture than they had before but it is not HD.
--- [email protected] wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> Granted, it's better than analog, but that doesn't make it HD. And
> while it may be factual to call it "HDTV Compatible" ...
> you can't argue that
> upon first glance most people will think this is an HDTV Projector,
> which it clearly is not upon further inspection. This just screams
> "Marketing" to me.
>
> How many consumers (out of 10) do you think would be confused by this?

> Is marketing like this slowing the adoption of HDTV?
>
> -- M. Shane Sturgeon
>
>
>
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> They get away with it because it's literally true, that the device is
> compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you can feed it 720p or

> 1080i programming and it will accept the signal but display it
> converted to its native rate. This is what most CRT HDTVs have been
> doing all along. It's also what EDTV plasmas have been doing. You
> already know this. There are definite potential advantages to being
> able to display an HDTV signal, even at reduced resolution. Some of
> these advantages
> are: wider aspect ratio,
> digital signal, better color, better contrast, higher resolution than
> analog NTSC, etc.
>
> Best regards and beautiful pictures,
> Alan Brown, President
> CinemaQuest, Inc.
>
> "Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater Projector
>
>
http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp
>
>
> Why do companies continue to get away with calling
> products "HDTV
> Compatible" when they display less than HD
> resolution? In this case, only
> 480p?
>
>
> -- M. Shane Sturgeon
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#10
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This whole DTV transition is confusing to anyone who has not taken the
initiative to educate themselves on the details. That applies to
"professionals" and consumers alike. I'm sometimes surprised by
professionals who should know better. It takes work and time to absorb and
comprehend the fundamentals. Many just don't take the time or put in the
work to be precise and sufficiently informed. That just happens to be human
nature and the world we live in.

It would be nice if they introduced this device as, say, "An enhanced
definition projector (EDTV), compatible with HDTV signals." Most consumers
wouldn't know what that really means, just like they don't know what HDTV
means. Most consumers probably never will understand what HDTV means. They
are happy to acknowledge that it's better than the old stuff. We on the
Tips List care about the details for a variety of reasons. I don't presume
that the masses will EVER want to know the details. They have their own
interests that have their own sets of details to master. In my case, I have
no interest in golf. I do know that there are plenty of details involved.
The subject just has no appeal to me.

I think ANY marketing that mentions HDTV in a favorable context will speed
the acceptance and adoption of the format. For 55 years now, I have
observed human behavior and attitudes. "Marketing" is not, in and of
itself, a negative term. Is Optoma's marketing department being consciously
deceptive? I don't think so. Could they be more precise? Yes. If they
were more precise and detailed, would their message make more sense and
inspire more people to buy the product? Maybe. Does Optoma's marketing
department know as much about how HDTV works as you or I? It's possible,
but not likely. Do they know more about marketing in general than you or I?
Probably, especially in my case.

Have you sent an e-mail with your concerns and suggestions to Optoma's
marketing department, or did you just want to vent? If you really want to
see a change in how they present a topic you care about, let them know. I'm
sure they don't get much mail from consumers with constructive suggestions.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:22 PM
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Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


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Granted, it's better than analog, but that doesn't make it HD. And while
it may be factual to call it "HDTV Compatible" ... you can't argue that
upon first glance most people will think this is an HDTV Projector, which
it clearly is not upon further inspection. This just screams "Marketing" to
me.

How many consumers (out of 10) do you think would be confused by this? Is
marketing like this slowing the adoption of HDTV?

-- M. Shane Sturgeon



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| | <[email protected]|
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| | Sent by: "HDTV |
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They get away with it because it's literally true, that the device is
compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you can feed it 720p or
1080i
programming and it will accept the signal but display it converted to its
native rate. This is what most CRT HDTVs have been doing all along. It's
also what EDTV plasmas have been doing. You already know this. There are
definite potential advantages to being able to display an HDTV signal, even
at reduced resolution. Some of these advantages are: wider aspect ratio,
digital signal, better color, better contrast, higher resolution than
analog
NTSC, etc.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater Projector

http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp


Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case, only
480p?


-- M. Shane Sturgeon




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I emailed them just prior to my first post on the topic. Any response I get
will be shared.

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This whole DTV transition is confusing to anyone who has not taken the
initiative to educate themselves on the details. That applies to
"professionals" and consumers alike. I'm sometimes surprised by
professionals who should know better. It takes work and time to absorb and
comprehend the fundamentals. Many just don't take the time or put in the
work to be precise and sufficiently informed. That just happens to be
human
nature and the world we live in.

It would be nice if they introduced this device as, say, "An enhanced
definition projector (EDTV), compatible with HDTV signals." Most consumers
wouldn't know what that really means, just like they don't know what HDTV
means. Most consumers probably never will understand what HDTV means.
They
are happy to acknowledge that it's better than the old stuff. We on the
Tips List care about the details for a variety of reasons. I don't presume
that the masses will EVER want to know the details. They have their own
interests that have their own sets of details to master. In my case, I
have
no interest in golf. I do know that there are plenty of details involved.
The subject just has no appeal to me.

I think ANY marketing that mentions HDTV in a favorable context will speed
the acceptance and adoption of the format. For 55 years now, I have
observed human behavior and attitudes. "Marketing" is not, in and of
itself, a negative term. Is Optoma's marketing department being
consciously
deceptive? I don't think so. Could they be more precise? Yes. If they
were more precise and detailed, would their message make more sense and
inspire more people to buy the product? Maybe. Does Optoma's marketing
department know as much about how HDTV works as you or I? It's possible,
but not likely. Do they know more about marketing in general than you or
I?
Probably, especially in my case.

Have you sent an e-mail with your concerns and suggestions to Optoma's
marketing department, or did you just want to vent? If you really want to
see a change in how they present a topic you care about, let them know.
I'm
sure they don't get much mail from consumers with constructive suggestions.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:22 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----


Granted, it's better than analog, but that doesn't make it HD. And while
it may be factual to call it "HDTV Compatible" ... you can't argue that
upon first glance most people will think this is an HDTV Projector, which
it clearly is not upon further inspection. This just screams "Marketing" to
me.

How many consumers (out of 10) do you think would be confused by this? Is
marketing like this slowing the adoption of HDTV?

-- M. Shane Sturgeon



|---------+--------------------------------->
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| | <[email protected]|
| | et> |
| | Sent by: "HDTV |
| | Magazine" |
| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
| | vehdtv.com> |
| | |
| | |
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| | Please respond to |
| | "HDTV Magazine" |
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| To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
|
| cc:
|
| Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
|

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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They get away with it because it's literally true, that the device is
compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you can feed it 720p or
1080i
programming and it will accept the signal but display it converted to its
native rate. This is what most CRT HDTVs have been doing all along. It's
also what EDTV plasmas have been doing. You already know this. There are
definite potential advantages to being able to display an HDTV signal, even
at reduced resolution. Some of these advantages are: wider aspect ratio,
digital signal, better color, better contrast, higher resolution than
analog
NTSC, etc.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater Projector

http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp


Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case, only
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Excellent! I'm not surprised.

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[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:02 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----


I emailed them just prior to my first post on the topic. Any response I get
will be shared.

-- M. Shane Sturgeon



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| cc:
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| Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
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This whole DTV transition is confusing to anyone who has not taken the
initiative to educate themselves on the details. That applies to
"professionals" and consumers alike. I'm sometimes surprised by
professionals who should know better. It takes work and time to absorb and
comprehend the fundamentals. Many just don't take the time or put in the
work to be precise and sufficiently informed. That just happens to be
human
nature and the world we live in.

It would be nice if they introduced this device as, say, "An enhanced
definition projector (EDTV), compatible with HDTV signals." Most consumers
wouldn't know what that really means, just like they don't know what HDTV
means. Most consumers probably never will understand what HDTV means.
They
are happy to acknowledge that it's better than the old stuff. We on the
Tips List care about the details for a variety of reasons. I don't presume
that the masses will EVER want to know the details. They have their own
interests that have their own sets of details to master. In my case, I
have
no interest in golf. I do know that there are plenty of details involved.
The subject just has no appeal to me.

I think ANY marketing that mentions HDTV in a favorable context will speed
the acceptance and adoption of the format. For 55 years now, I have
observed human behavior and attitudes. "Marketing" is not, in and of
itself, a negative term. Is Optoma's marketing department being
consciously
deceptive? I don't think so. Could they be more precise? Yes. If they
were more precise and detailed, would their message make more sense and
inspire more people to buy the product? Maybe. Does Optoma's marketing
department know as much about how HDTV works as you or I? It's possible,
but not likely. Do they know more about marketing in general than you or
I?
Probably, especially in my case.

Have you sent an e-mail with your concerns and suggestions to Optoma's
marketing department, or did you just want to vent? If you really want to
see a change in how they present a topic you care about, let them know.
I'm
sure they don't get much mail from consumers with constructive suggestions.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:22 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----


Granted, it's better than analog, but that doesn't make it HD. And while
it may be factual to call it "HDTV Compatible" ... you can't argue that
upon first glance most people will think this is an HDTV Projector, which
it clearly is not upon further inspection. This just screams "Marketing" to
me.

How many consumers (out of 10) do you think would be confused by this? Is
marketing like this slowing the adoption of HDTV?

-- M. Shane Sturgeon



|---------+--------------------------------->
| | "Alan Brown" |
| | <[email protected]|
| | et> |
| | Sent by: "HDTV |
| | Magazine" |
| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
| | vehdtv.com> |
| | |
| | |
| | 06/16/2005 02:35 PM |
| | Please respond to |
| | "HDTV Magazine" |
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They get away with it because it's literally true, that the device is
compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you can feed it 720p or
1080i
programming and it will accept the signal but display it converted to its
native rate. This is what most CRT HDTVs have been doing all along. It's
also what EDTV plasmas have been doing. You already know this. There are
definite potential advantages to being able to display an HDTV signal, even
at reduced resolution. Some of these advantages are: wider aspect ratio,
digital signal, better color, better contrast, higher resolution than
analog
NTSC, etc.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater Projector

http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp


Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case, only
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#13
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Anthony - I agree with the premise of your
statement, but not the first sentence...
"...Because no one is educating the public at
large on what exactly HDTV is..."
Uhhh - well not exactly "no one" ... HDTV Magazine
.. is and has been for some time... and there are
more sources of "real information" than a few
years ago. For the "Non-Tech" Consumer who is
trying to understand the very basics -
HDTVInfoPort.com provides the essentials that need
to be considered before buying.
But as far as the media, the industry, and
retailers - you're right.

We can only keep trying to get the word out to the
general public.

All the best;

Bob C.
[email protected]
http://HDTVInfoPort.com
HDTV Demystified!


----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Rizzuto
To: HDTV Magazine
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Because no one is educating the public at large on
what exactly HDTV is.
Worse, most of the sales people at the chain
outlets don't know much
more than the consumers. It just goes from bad to
worse and ultimately
things like the projector you list below will
leave many consumers with
a bad taste for HDTV. This, more than inflated
programing costs will
hurt the cause.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine
On Behalf
Of [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater
Projector

http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp


Why do companies continue to get away with calling
products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD
resolution? In this case,
only 480p?


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#14
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You are correct and of course I did not mean to disparage HDTV magazine
in any way. Let me clarify, no one in the mass media is doing anything
to educate the public. Those who subscribe to HDTV magazine I think we
would all have to agree are not the John Q Public types. We made a
concerted effort to find this forum either by internet search or through
friends with similar interests. I'm no conspiracy theorist but
ignorance regarding this subject does seem to play into the hands of the
manufacturers and retailers.

Anthony R
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of B Car
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:27 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anthony - I agree with the premise of your
statement, but not the first sentence...
"...Because no one is educating the public at
large on what exactly HDTV is..."
Uhhh - well not exactly "no one" ... HDTV Magazine
.. is and has been for some time... and there are
more sources of "real information" than a few
years ago. For the "Non-Tech" Consumer who is
trying to understand the very basics -
HDTVInfoPort.com provides the essentials that need
to be considered before buying.
But as far as the media, the industry, and
retailers - you're right.

We can only keep trying to get the word out to the
general public.

All the best;

Bob C.
[email protected]
http://HDTVInfoPort.com
HDTV Demystified!


----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Rizzuto
To: HDTV Magazine
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Because no one is educating the public at large on
what exactly HDTV is.
Worse, most of the sales people at the chain
outlets don't know much
more than the consumers. It just goes from bad to
worse and ultimately
things like the projector you list below will
leave many consumers with
a bad taste for HDTV. This, more than inflated
programing costs will
hurt the cause.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine
On Behalf
Of [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater
Projector

http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp


Why do companies continue to get away with calling
products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD
resolution? In this case,
only 480p?


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#15
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Why are you surprised ?
--- [email protected] wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Nice try,
>
> You have clients?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of Nicetry
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:44 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Such maketing tatics are not productive to the
> transition. As i tell my
> clients, if the display does not prouduce full
> resolution of at least
> 720p , then it is not hd. I clearly explain that ed
> and hd compatible
> will provide a better picture than they had before
> but it is not HD.
> --- [email protected] wrote:
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >
> > Granted, it's better than analog, but that doesn't
> make it HD. And
> > while it may be factual to call it "HDTV
> Compatible" ...
> > you can't argue that
> > upon first glance most people will think this is
> an HDTV Projector,
> > which it clearly is not upon further inspection.
> This just screams
> > "Marketing" to me.
> >
> > How many consumers (out of 10) do you think would
> be confused by this?
>
> > Is marketing like this slowing the adoption of
> HDTV?
> >
> > -- M. Shane Sturgeon
> >
> >
> >
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> > | | <[email protected]|
> > | | et> |
> > | | Sent by: "HDTV |
> > | | Magazine" |
> > | | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
> > | | vehdtv.com> |
> > | | |
> > | | |
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> > | | Please respond to |
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> >
> >
>
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>
> >
>
> > |
> > | To: "HDTV Magazine"
> > <[email protected]>
>
> >
>
> > |
> > | cc:
>
> >
>
> > |
> > | Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo
> mad
> > ...
>
> > |
> >
> >
>
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> ---|
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > They get away with it because it's literally true,
> that the device is
> > compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you
> can feed it 720p or
>
> > 1080i programming and it will accept the signal
> but display it
> > converted to its native rate. This is what most
> CRT HDTVs have been
> > doing all along. It's also what EDTV plasmas have
> been doing. You
> > already know this. There are definite potential
> advantages to being
> > able to display an HDTV signal, even at reduced
> resolution. Some of
> > these advantages
> > are: wider aspect ratio,
> > digital signal, better color, better contrast,
> higher resolution than
> > analog NTSC, etc.
> >
> > Best regards and beautiful pictures,
> > Alan Brown, President
> > CinemaQuest, Inc.
> >
> > "Advancing the art and science of electronic
> imaging"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> > On Behalf
> Of
> > [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater
> Projector
> >
> >
>
http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp
> >
> >
> > Why do companies continue to get away with calling
> > products "HDTV
> > Compatible" when they display less than HD
> > resolution? In this case, only
> > 480p?
> >
> >
> > -- M. Shane Sturgeon
> >
> >
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Because you've always been very evasive when simply asking your first
name. I assumed you were a novice and new to the internet since you
dodged every question I've ever seen directed toward you. You've not
been unfriendly - just not friendly at all.

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Nicetry
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:32 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Why are you surprised ?
--- [email protected] wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Nice try,
>
> You have clients?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf Of Nicetry
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:44 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Such maketing tatics are not productive to the transition. As i tell
> my clients, if the display does not prouduce full resolution of at
> least 720p , then it is not hd. I clearly explain that ed and hd
> compatible will provide a better picture than they had before but it
> is not HD.
> --- [email protected] wrote:
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >
> > Granted, it's better than analog, but that doesn't
> make it HD. And
> > while it may be factual to call it "HDTV
> Compatible" ...
> > you can't argue that
> > upon first glance most people will think this is
> an HDTV Projector,
> > which it clearly is not upon further inspection.
> This just screams
> > "Marketing" to me.
> >
> > How many consumers (out of 10) do you think would
> be confused by this?
>
> > Is marketing like this slowing the adoption of
> HDTV?
> >
> > -- M. Shane Sturgeon
> >
> >
> >
> > |---------+--------------------------------->
> > | | "Alan Brown" |
> > | | <[email protected]|
> > | | et> |
> > | | Sent by: "HDTV |
> > | | Magazine" |
> > | | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
> > | | vehdtv.com> |
> > | | |
> > | | |
> > | | 06/16/2005 02:35 PM |
> > | | Please respond to |
> > | | "HDTV Magazine" |
> > |---------+--------------------------------->
> >
> >
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---|
> > |
>
> >
>
> > |
> > | To: "HDTV Magazine"
> > <[email protected]>
>
> >
>
> > |
> > | cc:
>
> >
>
> > |
> > | Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo
> mad
> > ...
>
> > |
> >
> >
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---|
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > They get away with it because it's literally true,
> that the device is
> > compatible with HDTV signals. In other words, you
> can feed it 720p or
>
> > 1080i programming and it will accept the signal
> but display it
> > converted to its native rate. This is what most
> CRT HDTVs have been
> > doing all along. It's also what EDTV plasmas have
> been doing. You
> > already know this. There are definite potential
> advantages to being
> > able to display an HDTV signal, even at reduced
> resolution. Some of
> > these advantages
> > are: wider aspect ratio,
> > digital signal, better color, better contrast,
> higher resolution than
> > analog NTSC, etc.
> >
> > Best regards and beautiful pictures, Alan Brown, President
> > CinemaQuest, Inc.
> >
> > "Advancing the art and science of electronic
> imaging"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> > On Behalf
> Of
> > [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater
> Projector
> >
> >
>
http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp
> >
> >
> > Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
> > Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this
> > case, only 480p?
> >
> >
> > -- M. Shane Sturgeon
> >
> >
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#17
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My clients say i can be difficult yet are very happy
with the results. Have been involved in av for 30 yrs
.

What info have you asked in terms of hi def ?
--- [email protected] wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Because you've always been very evasive when simply
> asking your first
> name. I assumed you were a novice and new to the
> internet since you
> dodged every question I've ever seen directed toward
> you. You've not
> been unfriendly - just not friendly at all.
>
> Jason
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine
> On Behalf
> Of Nicetry
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:32 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Why are you surprised ?
> --- [email protected] wrote:
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Nice try,
> >
> > You have clients?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine
> > On Behalf
> Of Nicetry
> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:44 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Such maketing tatics are not productive to the
> transition. As i tell
> > my clients, if the display does not prouduce full
> resolution of at
> > least 720p , then it is not hd. I clearly explain
> that ed and hd
> > compatible will provide a better picture than they
> had before but it
> > is not HD.
> > --- [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Granted, it's better than analog, but that
> doesn't
> > make it HD. And
> > > while it may be factual to call it "HDTV
> > Compatible" ...
> > > you can't argue that
> > > upon first glance most people will think this is
> > an HDTV Projector,
> > > which it clearly is not upon further inspection.
> > This just screams
> > > "Marketing" to me.
> > >
> > > How many consumers (out of 10) do you think
> would
> > be confused by this?
> >
> > > Is marketing like this slowing the adoption of
> > HDTV?
> > >
> > > -- M. Shane Sturgeon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > |---------+--------------------------------->
> > > | | "Alan Brown" |
> > > | | <[email protected]|
> > > | | et> |
> > > | | Sent by: "HDTV |
> > > | | Magazine" |
> > > | | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
> > > | | vehdtv.com> |
> > > | | |
> > > | | |
> > > | | 06/16/2005 02:35 PM |
> > > | | Please respond to |
> > > | | "HDTV Magazine" |
> > > |---------+--------------------------------->
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---|
> > > |
>
> >
> > >
>
> >
> > > |
> > > | To: "HDTV Magazine"
> > > <[email protected]>
>
> >
> > >
>
> >
> > > |
> > > | cc:
>
> >
> > >
>
> >
> > > |
> > > | Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo
> > mad
> > > ...
>
> >
> > > |
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---|
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > They get away with it because it's literally
> true,
> > that the device is
> > > compatible with HDTV signals. In other words,
> you
> > can feed it 720p or
> >
> > > 1080i programming and it will accept the signal
> > but display it
> > > converted to its native rate. This is what most
> > CRT HDTVs have been
> > > doing all along. It's also what EDTV plasmas
> have
> > been doing. You
> > > already know this. There are definite potential
> > advantages to being
> > > able to display an HDTV signal, even at reduced
> > resolution. Some of
> > > these advantages
> > > are: wider aspect ratio,
> > > digital signal, better color, better contrast,
> > higher resolution than
> > > analog NTSC, etc.
> > >
> > > Best regards and beautiful pictures, Alan Brown,
> President
> > > CinemaQuest, Inc.
> > >
> > > "Advancing the art and science of electronic
> > imaging"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: HDTV Magazine
> > > On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > [email protected]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
> > > To: HDTV Magazine
> > > Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> > >
> > > Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater
> > Projector
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do companies continue to get away with
> calling products "HDTV
> > > Compatible" when they display less than HD
> resolution? In this
> > > case, only 480p?
> > >
> > >
> > > -- M. Shane Sturgeon
>
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#18
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... and I bet you are considered difficult because you are the one
disputing all the myths and legends...

?

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Nicetry wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> My clients say i can be difficult yet are very happy
> with the results. Have been involved in av for 30 yrs
> .
>
> What info have you asked in terms of hi def ?
> --- [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Because you've always been very evasive when simply
>>asking your first
>>name. I assumed you were a novice and new to the
>>internet since you
>>dodged every question I've ever seen directed toward
>>you. You've not
>>been unfriendly - just not friendly at all.
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: HDTV Magazine
>> On Behalf
>>Of Nicetry
>>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:32 PM
>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
>>
>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>>Why are you surprised ?
>>--- [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Nice try,
>>>
>>>You have clients?
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: HDTV Magazine
>>> On Behalf
>>
>>Of Nicetry
>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:44 PM
>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
>>>
>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>>Such maketing tatics are not productive to the
>>
>>transition. As i tell
>>
>>>my clients, if the display does not prouduce full
>>
>>resolution of at
>>
>>>least 720p , then it is not hd. I clearly explain
>>
>>that ed and hd
>>
>>>compatible will provide a better picture than they
>>
>>had before but it
>>
>>>is not HD.
>>>--- [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Granted, it's better than analog, but that
>>
>>doesn't
>>
>>>make it HD. And
>>>
>>>>while it may be factual to call it "HDTV
>>>
>>>Compatible" ...
>>>
>>>>you can't argue that
>>>>upon first glance most people will think this is
>>>
>>>an HDTV Projector,
>>>
>>>>which it clearly is not upon further inspection.
>>>
>>>This just screams
>>>
>>>>"Marketing" to me.
>>>>
>>>>How many consumers (out of 10) do you think
>>
>>would
>>
>>>be confused by this?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is marketing like this slowing the adoption of
>>>
>>>HDTV?
>>>
>>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>>| | "Alan Brown" |
>>>>| | <[email protected]|
>>>>| | et> |
>>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
>>>>| | Magazine" |
>>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
>>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
>>>>| | |
>>>>| | |
>>>>| | 06/16/2005 02:35 PM |
>>>>| | Please respond to |
>>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
>>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>---|
>>>
>>>> |
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine"
>>>><[email protected]>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | cc:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo
>>>
>>>mad
>>>
>>>>...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>---|
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>They get away with it because it's literally
>>
>>true,
>>
>>>that the device is
>>>
>>>>compatible with HDTV signals. In other words,
>>
>>you
>>
>>>can feed it 720p or
>>>
>>>
>>>>1080i programming and it will accept the signal
>>>
>>>but display it
>>>
>>>>converted to its native rate. This is what most
>>>
>>>CRT HDTVs have been
>>>
>>>>doing all along. It's also what EDTV plasmas
>>
>>have
>>
>>>been doing. You
>>>
>>>>already know this. There are definite potential
>>>
>>>advantages to being
>>>
>>>>able to display an HDTV signal, even at reduced
>>>
>>>resolution. Some of
>>>
>>>>these advantages
>>>>are: wider aspect ratio,
>>>>digital signal, better color, better contrast,
>>>
>>>higher resolution than
>>>
>>>>analog NTSC, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards and beautiful pictures, Alan Brown,
>>
>>President
>>
>>>>CinemaQuest, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>"Advancing the art and science of electronic
>>>
>>>imaging"
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HDTV Magazine
>>>>On
>>
>>Behalf
>>
>>>Of
>>>
>>>>[email protected]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>>Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater
>>>
>>>Projector
>>>
>>>>
> http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp
>
>>>>
>>>>Why do companies continue to get away with
>>
>>calling products "HDTV
>>
>>>>Compatible" when they display less than HD
>>
>>resolution? In this
>>
>>>>case, only 480p?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>
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#19
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One of the things that HDTV Mag and Dale can do is put together a guide for
consumers and sales personnel alike educating them on HD. It should have a
simple part and an in-depth part. There has been enough here and in
associated sites that much would be a matter of cut and paste.

It would help immensely.




-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:20 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Because no one is educating the public at large on what exactly HDTV is.
Worse, most of the sales people at the chain outlets don't know much
more than the consumers. It just goes from bad to worse and ultimately
things like the projector you list below will leave many consumers with
a bad taste for HDTV. This, more than inflated programing costs will
hurt the cause.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater Projector

http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp


Why do companies continue to get away with calling products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD resolution? In this case,
only 480p?


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#20
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Isn't that true of most things, it's the individuals responsibility to
educate themselves not government, not the media and certainly not the
manufacturers. Most people are quite content with there ignorance and what
they consider HDTV. Thee years ago most people in the "tipslist" were happy
with there 1368 x 768 resolution and component analog input to there
"Digital TV's" and now we wouldn't settle for anything less than 1280 x 720
with HDMI ins. We can pick on John Q public but we're only slighting more
informed considering the amount of time and effort we put into the
understanding. It's all relative and things will always improve and some
will never be satisfied.

------------------------------------
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Daniel R. Vining
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[email protected]
30 Spring Street
Danbury, CT 06810
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:49 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

You are correct and of course I did not mean to disparage HDTV magazine
in any way. Let me clarify, no one in the mass media is doing anything
to educate the public. Those who subscribe to HDTV magazine I think we
would all have to agree are not the John Q Public types. We made a
concerted effort to find this forum either by internet search or through
friends with similar interests. I'm no conspiracy theorist but
ignorance regarding this subject does seem to play into the hands of the
manufacturers and retailers.

Anthony R
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of B Car
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:27 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anthony - I agree with the premise of your
statement, but not the first sentence...
"...Because no one is educating the public at
large on what exactly HDTV is..."
Uhhh - well not exactly "no one" ... HDTV Magazine
. is and has been for some time... and there are
more sources of "real information" than a few
years ago. For the "Non-Tech" Consumer who is
trying to understand the very basics -
HDTVInfoPort.com provides the essentials that need
to be considered before buying.
But as far as the media, the industry, and
retailers - you're right.

We can only keep trying to get the word out to the
general public.

All the best;

Bob C.
[email protected]
http://HDTVInfoPort.com
HDTV Demystified!


----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Rizzuto
To: HDTV Magazine
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Because no one is educating the public at large on
what exactly HDTV is.
Worse, most of the sales people at the chain
outlets don't know much
more than the consumers. It just goes from bad to
worse and ultimately
things like the projector you list below will
leave many consumers with
a bad taste for HDTV. This, more than inflated
programing costs will
hurt the cause.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine
On Behalf
Of [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: This just makes me sooo mad ...


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Optoma Unveils New Entry-Level Home Theater
Projector

http://www.optomausa.com/optomausa/publ ... oj_h27.jsp


Why do companies continue to get away with calling
products "HDTV
Compatible" when they display less than HD
resolution? In this case,
only 480p?


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#21
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Yes Richard that would be me.
--- Richard <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> ... and I bet you are considered difficult because
> you are the one
> disputing all the myths and legends...
>
> ?
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Nicetry wrote:
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > My clients say i can be difficult yet are very
> happy
> > with the results. Have been involved in av for 30
> yrs
> > .
> >
> > What info have you asked in terms of hi def ?
> > --- [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Because you've always been very evasive when
> simply
> >>asking your first
> >>name. I assumed you were a novice and new to the
> >>internet since you
> >>dodged every question I've ever seen directed
> toward
> >>you. You've not
> >>been unfriendly - just not friendly at all.
> >>
> >>Jason
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: HDTV Magazine
> >> On Behalf
> >>Of Nicetry
> >>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:32 PM
> >>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
> >>
> >>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>
> >>Why are you surprised ?
> >>--- [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Nice try,
> >>>
> >>>You have clients?
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: HDTV Magazine
> >>> On
> Behalf
> >>
> >>Of Nicetry
> >>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:44 PM
> >>>To: HDTV Magazine
> >>>Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo mad ...
> >>>
> >>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>
> >>>Such maketing tatics are not productive to the
> >>
> >>transition. As i tell
> >>
> >>>my clients, if the display does not prouduce full
> >>
> >>resolution of at
> >>
> >>>least 720p , then it is not hd. I clearly explain
> >>
> >>that ed and hd
> >>
> >>>compatible will provide a better picture than
> they
> >>
> >>had before but it
> >>
> >>>is not HD.
> >>>--- [email protected] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Granted, it's better than analog, but that
> >>
> >>doesn't
> >>
> >>>make it HD. And
> >>>
> >>>>while it may be factual to call it "HDTV
> >>>
> >>>Compatible" ...
> >>>
> >>>>you can't argue that
> >>>>upon first glance most people will think this is
> >>>
> >>>an HDTV Projector,
> >>>
> >>>>which it clearly is not upon further inspection.
> >>>
> >>>This just screams
> >>>
> >>>>"Marketing" to me.
> >>>>
> >>>>How many consumers (out of 10) do you think
> >>
> >>would
> >>
> >>>be confused by this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is marketing like this slowing the adoption of
> >>>
> >>>HDTV?
> >>>
> >>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
> >>>>| | "Alan Brown" |
> >>>>| | <[email protected]|
> >>>>| | et> |
> >>>>| | Sent by: "HDTV |
> >>>>| | Magazine" |
> >>>>| | <hdtvmagazine_tips@ilo|
> >>>>| | vehdtv.com> |
> >>>>| | |
> >>>>| | |
> >>>>| | 06/16/2005 02:35 PM |
> >>>>| | Please respond to |
> >>>>| | "HDTV Magazine" |
> >>>>|---------+--------------------------------->
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >
>
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> >
> >>>---|
> >>>
> >>>> |
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> |
> >>>> | To: "HDTV Magazine"
> >>>><[email protected]>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> |
> >>>> | cc:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> |
> >>>> | Subject: Re: This just makes me sooo
> >>>
> >>>mad
> >>>
>
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