Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts

Started by neurot Apr 19, 2006 16 posts
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#1
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Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD
DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of
the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.

Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a
several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom
of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the default
setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make
a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies,
Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note that Serenity is
Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.

Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture
quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio
(all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart
with the various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it
definitely rates up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded
copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when
I have time. There was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP,
but it vaguely said that there may be compatibility issues.

Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected
to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input.
There is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure
the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is
set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
it's in DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only
audio choices are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of
Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set
to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the
sound is still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the
quality appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe
my equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver
detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of
the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby
TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba
can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can continue
in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.

So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands
of comments on AVSforum!

Jason

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#2
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> set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
> Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
> it's in DTS!

Another article said the same thing about that movie...

sounds like a mastering error...

Thanks for the update!

So are you going to rent HD DVD or not?

:)

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
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>
> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD
> DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of
> the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.
>
> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a
> several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom
> of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the default
> setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make
> a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies,
> Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note that Serenity is
> Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>
> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
> had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture
> quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio
> (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart
> with the various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it
> definitely rates up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded
> copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when
> I have time. There was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP,
> but it vaguely said that there may be compatibility issues.
>
> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected
> to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input.
> There is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure
> the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is
> set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
> Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
> it's in DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only
> audio choices are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of
> Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set
> to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the
> sound is still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the
> quality appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe
> my equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
> The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver
> detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of
> the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby
> TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba
> can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can continue
> in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>
> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands
> of comments on AVSforum!
>
> Jason
>
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#3
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Called Best Buy, out of stock...

But, I did call...

Man, it is just a matter of time now...

I'm ready!

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD
> DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of
> the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.
>
> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a
> several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom
> of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the default
> setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make
> a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies,
> Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note that Serenity is
> Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>
> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
> had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture
> quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio
> (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart
> with the various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it
> definitely rates up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded
> copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when
> I have time. There was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP,
> but it vaguely said that there may be compatibility issues.
>
> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected
> to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input.
> There is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure
> the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is
> set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
> Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
> it's in DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only
> audio choices are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of
> Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set
> to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the
> sound is still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the
> quality appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe
> my equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
> The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver
> detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of
> the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby
> TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba
> can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can continue
> in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>
> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands
> of comments on AVSforum!
>
> Jason
>
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Nice report. Thanks.

-Stan

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Any kind of Network video playback, UPnP AV or proprietary?

Adam


On 4/19/06 4:19 PM, "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]> wrote:

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>
> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD
> DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of
> the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.
>
> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a
> several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom
> of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the default
> setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make
> a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies,
> Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note that Serenity is
> Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>
> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
> had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture
> quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio
> (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart
> with the various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it
> definitely rates up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded
> copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when
> I have time. There was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP,
> but it vaguely said that there may be compatibility issues.
>
> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected
> to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input.
> There is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure
> the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is
> set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
> Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
> it's in DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only
> audio choices are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of
> Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set
> to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the
> sound is still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the
> quality appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe
> my equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
> The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver
> detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of
> the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby
> TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba
> can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can continue
> in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>
> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands
> of comments on AVSforum!
>
> Jason
>
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It doesn't appear so. There is a network jack on it, and I tried
updating the firmware, but it said it was at the latest version.

Adam Steinberg wrote:
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>
> Any kind of Network video playback, UPnP AV or proprietary?
>
> Adam
>
>
> On 4/19/06 4:19 PM, "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD
>> DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of
>> the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.
>>
>> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
>> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
>> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a
>> several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
>> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
>> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom
>> of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the default
>> setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make
>> a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies,
>> Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note that Serenity is
>> Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>>
>> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
>> had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture
>> quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio
>> (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart
>> with the various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it
>> definitely rates up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded
>> copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when
>> I have time. There was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP,
>> but it vaguely said that there may be compatibility issues.
>>
>> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected
>> to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input.
>> There is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure
>> the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is
>> set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
>> Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
>> it's in DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only
>> audio choices are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of
>> Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set
>> to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the
>> sound is still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the
>> quality appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe
>> my equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
>> The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver
>> detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of
>> the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby
>> TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba
>> can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
>> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can continue
>> in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>>
>> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
>> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
>> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands
>> of comments on AVSforum!
>>
>> Jason
>>
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#7
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Jason,

Regarding your request of help about audio.

The multichannel matter on both Hi Def formats is a big can of worms.

It forced me to write a couple of sections on the report to explain how that works and which
connections to use.

DTS and DD 5.1 are both mandatory for HD DVD. English 5.1 could mean any of the two, it does not
necessarily means DD 5.1.

You will NOT get the new audio formats using optical or coax legacy connections, the player will
bitstream to the receiver (or pre/pro), which would use its legacy decoder (DTS or DD).

You should have been able to transport the new multichannel formats using the analog connections
(6-8 earlier used for DVD-Audio) as you did, but since the decoding takes place on the player, and
HD DVD has standardized "an irrational" minimum 2CH mandatory decoding player circuitry (not the 8
channels), you are out of luck with True-HD using this road.

The subject is much more complex, I just touched the surface.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra

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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Jason Burroughs
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:19 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD
DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of
the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.

Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a
several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom
of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the default
setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make
a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies,
Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note that Serenity is
Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.

Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture
quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio
(all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart
with the various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it
definitely rates up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded
copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when
I have time. There was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP,
but it vaguely said that there may be compatibility issues.

Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected
to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input.
There is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure
the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is
set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
it's in DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only
audio choices are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of
Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set
to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the
sound is still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the
quality appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe
my equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver
detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of
the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby
TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba
can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can continue
in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.

So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands
of comments on AVSforum!

Jason

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Jason,

AVS has a thread on the HD-A1 that's already around 2,000 posts. I've
skimmed quite a bit of it. From what I remember, I'll take a "stab" at your
sound issue.

Believe I've read that when it "downconverts" a Dolby Digital plus (DD+)
disc it outputs DTS. Only way to get the DD+ is via the multi channel
analog outs or HDMI. From your post, it sounds as if you have "wired" the
multi channel analogs out; however, I would guess that if you have selected
the optical for your output that you would automatically get DTS as input on
your receiver/audio processor.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:19 PM
Subject: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD
> player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of the
> Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.
>
> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD players,
> pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and takes a long
> time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a several minute
> long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the features touted is that
> you don't have a menu at the beginning of the movie - the movie just
> starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom of the screen to
> configure it if you choose to change the default setting. I guess people
> got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make a bunch of choices before
> starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies, Serenity had a menu, while the
> others did not. Note that Serenity is Universal, while the other two are
> Warner Brothers.
>
> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
> had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture quality
> is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio (all 3
> movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart with the
> various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it definitely rates
> up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded copy of Samurai in
> 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when I have time. There
> was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP, but it vaguely said
> that there may be compatibility issues.
>
> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected to
> the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input. There
> is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure the
> various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is set
> to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby Digital
> Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up, it's in
> DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only audio choices
> are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of Dolby or DTS. Once
> the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set to optical, it shows
> DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the sound is still there,
> but the volume is noticeably lower (and the quality appears to be about
> the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe my equipment is reading it
> wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On The Last Samurai, it also had
> "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver detected DTS, and the pre-amp
> audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of the Opera, however, in addition
> to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby TrueHD". When I tried to select it,
> it rightly detects that the Toshiba can only decode 2-channel TrueHD
> (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It
> doesn't say whether you can continue in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>
> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about, I'll
> try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands of
> comments on AVSforum!
>
> Jason
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#9
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Please take me off these emails
Thanks.


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard and Carrie Bray
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:26 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Jason,

AVS has a thread on the HD-A1 that's already around 2,000 posts. I've
skimmed quite a bit of it. From what I remember, I'll take a "stab" at your

sound issue.

Believe I've read that when it "downconverts" a Dolby Digital plus (DD+)
disc it outputs DTS. Only way to get the DD+ is via the multi channel
analog outs or HDMI. From your post, it sounds as if you have "wired" the
multi channel analogs out; however, I would guess that if you have selected
the optical for your output that you would automatically get DTS as input on

your receiver/audio processor.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Burroughs" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:19 PM
Subject: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD

> player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of the
> Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.
>
> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD players,
> pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and takes a long
> time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a several minute
> long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the features touted is that

> you don't have a menu at the beginning of the movie - the movie just
> starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom of the screen to
> configure it if you choose to change the default setting. I guess people
> got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make a bunch of choices before

> starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies, Serenity had a menu, while the
> others did not. Note that Serenity is Universal, while the other two are
> Warner Brothers.
>
> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
> had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture quality

> is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio (all 3
> movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart with the
> various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it definitely rates
> up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded copy of Samurai in
> 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when I have time. There
> was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP, but it vaguely said
> that there may be compatibility issues.
>
> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected to
> the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input. There
> is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure the
> various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is set
> to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby Digital
> Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up, it's in
> DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only audio choices

> are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of Dolby or DTS. Once
> the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set to optical, it shows
> DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the sound is still there,
> but the volume is noticeably lower (and the quality appears to be about
> the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe my equipment is reading it
> wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On The Last Samurai, it also had
> "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver detected DTS, and the pre-amp
> audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of the Opera, however, in addition

> to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby TrueHD". When I tried to select it,
> it rightly detects that the Toshiba can only decode 2-channel TrueHD
> (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It
> doesn't say whether you can continue in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>
> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about, I'll

> try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands of
> comments on AVSforum!
>
> Jason
>
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Jason,

One of the HD Library members just left a review using the same movie
but with HDMI audio...

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5952

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Rodolfo La Maestra wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Jason,
>
> Regarding your request of help about audio.
>
> The multichannel matter on both Hi Def formats is a big can of worms.
>
> It forced me to write a couple of sections on the report to explain how that works and which
> connections to use.
>
> DTS and DD 5.1 are both mandatory for HD DVD. English 5.1 could mean any of the two, it does not
> necessarily means DD 5.1.
>
> You will NOT get the new audio formats using optical or coax legacy connections, the player will
> bitstream to the receiver (or pre/pro), which would use its legacy decoder (DTS or DD).
>
> You should have been able to transport the new multichannel formats using the analog connections
> (6-8 earlier used for DVD-Audio) as you did, but since the decoding takes place on the player, and
> HD DVD has standardized "an irrational" minimum 2CH mandatory decoding player circuitry (not the 8
> channels), you are out of luck with True-HD using this road.
>
> The subject is much more complex, I just touched the surface.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Jason Burroughs
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:19 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD
> DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of
> the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.
>
> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a
> several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom
> of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the default
> setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make
> a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies,
> Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note that Serenity is
> Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>
> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
> had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture
> quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio
> (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart
> with the various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it
> definitely rates up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded
> copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when
> I have time. There was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP,
> but it vaguely said that there may be compatibility issues.
>
> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected
> to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input.
> There is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure
> the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is
> set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
> Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
> it's in DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only
> audio choices are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of
> Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set
> to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the
> sound is still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the
> quality appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe
> my equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
> The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver
> detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of
> the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby
> TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba
> can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can continue
> in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>
> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands
> of comments on AVSforum!
>
> Jason
>
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#11
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I do plan on renting it, and plan to redesign the site completely. I'll
probably put them up there in the next few days but just not do any
advertising.

Richard Fisher wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> > set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
> > Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
> > it's in DTS!
>
> Another article said the same thing about that movie...
>
> sounds like a mastering error...
>
> Thanks for the update!
>
> So are you going to rent HD DVD or not?
>
> :)
>
> Richard Fisher
> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>
> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1
>> HD DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The
>> Phantom of the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get
>> things started.
>>
>> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
>> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
>> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is
>> a several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
>> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
>> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the
>> bottom of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the
>> default setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and
>> having to make a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of
>> the 3 movies, Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note
>> that Serenity is Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>>
>> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in
>> 1080i. I had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The
>> picture quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in
>> 2.35:1 ratio (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a
>> standard chart with the various specs). I have done any A/B
>> comparisons, but it definitely rates up there with D-theater and
>> HDNet. I have a recorded copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the
>> DVD to do a 3-way test - when I have time. There was no mention
>> anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP, but it vaguely said that there
>> may be compatibility issues.
>>
>> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES
>> connected to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel
>> pre-amp input. There is a whole page in the instruction manual about
>> how to configure the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear,
>> it's easy: SPDIF is set to Bitstream, which is the default setting.
>> Serenity says "Dolby Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However,
>> when the menu comes up, it's in DTS! When I go into the menu
>> selection for Serenity, my only audio choices are "English 5.1" and
>> other languages - no mention of Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts
>> playing, if I have my receiver set to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i
>> change over to the pre-amp input, the sound is still there, but the
>> volume is noticeably lower (and the quality appears to be about the
>> same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe my equipment is reading it
>> wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On The Last Samurai, it also
>> had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver detected DTS, and the
>> pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of the Opera,
>> however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby TrueHD".
>> When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba can
>> only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
>> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can
>> continue in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>>
>> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
>> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
>> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the
>> thousands of comments on AVSforum!
>>
>> Jason
>>
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#12
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I find it hard to believe that Dolby could be downconverted to
DTS...since they are two different companies, their encoding schemes
would be entirely different.

I do have both the multi-channel analog and have experimented with both
it and optical. When using the analog, the receiver can't detect what
it's getting, and since the receiver doesn't say, I have no way of
knowing what format is being sent - very frustrating!

Richard and Carrie Bray wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Jason,
>
> AVS has a thread on the HD-A1 that's already around 2,000 posts. I've
> skimmed quite a bit of it. From what I remember, I'll take a "stab"
> at your sound issue.
>
> Believe I've read that when it "downconverts" a Dolby Digital plus
> (DD+) disc it outputs DTS. Only way to get the DD+ is via the multi
> channel analog outs or HDMI. From your post, it sounds as if you have
> "wired" the multi channel analogs out; however, I would guess that if
> you have selected the optical for your output that you would
> automatically get DTS as input on your receiver/audio processor.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Burroughs"
> <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:19 PM
> Subject: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1
>> HD DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The
>> Phantom of the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get
>> things started.
>>
>> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
>> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
>> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is
>> a several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
>> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
>> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the
>> bottom of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the
>> default setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and
>> having to make a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of
>> the 3 movies, Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note
>> that Serenity is Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>>
>> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in
>> 1080i. I had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The
>> picture quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in
>> 2.35:1 ratio (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a
>> standard chart with the various specs). I have done any A/B
>> comparisons, but it definitely rates up there with D-theater and
>> HDNet. I have a recorded copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the
>> DVD to do a 3-way test - when I have time. There was no mention
>> anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP, but it vaguely said that there
>> may be compatibility issues.
>>
>> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES
>> connected to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel
>> pre-amp input. There is a whole page in the instruction manual about
>> how to configure the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear,
>> it's easy: SPDIF is set to Bitstream, which is the default setting.
>> Serenity says "Dolby Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However,
>> when the menu comes up, it's in DTS! When I go into the menu
>> selection for Serenity, my only audio choices are "English 5.1" and
>> other languages - no mention of Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts
>> playing, if I have my receiver set to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i
>> change over to the pre-amp input, the sound is still there, but the
>> volume is noticeably lower (and the quality appears to be about the
>> same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe my equipment is reading it
>> wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On The Last Samurai, it also
>> had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver detected DTS, and the
>> pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of the Opera,
>> however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby TrueHD".
>> When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba can
>> only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
>> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can
>> continue in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>>
>> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
>> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
>> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the
>> thousands of comments on AVSforum!
>>
>> Jason
>>
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#13
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I find it hard to believe that Dolby could be downconverted to
DTS...since they are two different companies, their encoding schemes
would be entirely different.

I do have both the multi-channel analog and have experimented with both
it and optical. When using the analog, the receiver can't detect what
it's getting, and since the receiver doesn't say, I have no way of
knowing what format is being sent - very frustrating!

Richard and Carrie Bray wrote:
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Jason,
>
> AVS has a thread on the HD-A1 that's already around 2,000 posts. I've
> skimmed quite a bit of it. From what I remember, I'll take a "stab"
> at your sound issue.
>
> Believe I've read that when it "downconverts" a Dolby Digital plus
> (DD+) disc it outputs DTS. Only way to get the DD+ is via the multi
> channel analog outs or HDMI. From your post, it sounds as if you have
> "wired" the multi channel analogs out; however, I would guess that if
> you have selected the optical for your output that you would
> automatically get DTS as input on your receiver/audio processor.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Burroughs"
> <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:19 PM
> Subject: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1
>> HD DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The
>> Phantom of the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get
>> things started.
>>
>> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
>> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
>> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is
>> a several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
>> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
>> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the
>> bottom of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the
>> default setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and
>> having to make a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of
>> the 3 movies, Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note
>> that Serenity is Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>>
>> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in
>> 1080i. I had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The
>> picture quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in
>> 2.35:1 ratio (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a
>> standard chart with the various specs). I have done any A/B
>> comparisons, but it definitely rates up there with D-theater and
>> HDNet. I have a recorded copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the
>> DVD to do a 3-way test - when I have time. There was no mention
>> anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP, but it vaguely said that there
>> may be compatibility issues.
>>
>> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES
>> connected to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel
>> pre-amp input. There is a whole page in the instruction manual about
>> how to configure the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear,
>> it's easy: SPDIF is set to Bitstream, which is the default setting.
>> Serenity says "Dolby Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However,
>> when the menu comes up, it's in DTS! When I go into the menu
>> selection for Serenity, my only audio choices are "English 5.1" and
>> other languages - no mention of Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts
>> playing, if I have my receiver set to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i
>> change over to the pre-amp input, the sound is still there, but the
>> volume is noticeably lower (and the quality appears to be about the
>> same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe my equipment is reading it
>> wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On The Last Samurai, it also
>> had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver detected DTS, and the
>> pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of the Opera,
>> however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby TrueHD".
>> When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba can
>> only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
>> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can
>> continue in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>>
>> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
>> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
>> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the
>> thousands of comments on AVSforum!
>>
>> Jason
>>
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#14
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Jason,

I was apparently correct for your discs but not for some of the future
releases. For the "launch titles" (i.e., those that just came out) the
following from an AVS post would be applicable:
"S/PDIF Coaxial or Optical Digital Audio Connection (same as current DVD
players)
Standard DD or DTS bit stream can be passed to processor or receiver for
external decoding.
New formats are either down converted or re-encoded to standard DD or DTS.
Format depends on player and disc, but launch titles all use "Advanced
Content" which is converted to DTS by the XA1 and A1. See the "Advanced
Con." row in the attached table.

The "attached table" referred to is for an Output Sound Conversion Table
(contained approximately page 59 of the owners manual).

Following thread currently contains over 400 posts strictly on the audio for
the HD Toshiba. My above quote was from the first post.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthr ... &p=7068162

Regards,
Richard


----- Original Message -----
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> I find it hard to believe that Dolby could be downconverted to DTS...since
> they are two different companies, their encoding schemes would be entirely
> different.
>
> I do have both the multi-channel analog and have experimented with both it
> and optical. When using the analog, the receiver can't detect what it's
> getting, and since the receiver doesn't say, I have no way of knowing what
> format is being sent - very frustrating!
>
> Richard and Carrie Bray wrote:
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>> Jason,
>>
>> AVS has a thread on the HD-A1 that's already around 2,000 posts. I've
>> skimmed quite a bit of it. From what I remember, I'll take a "stab" at
>> your sound issue.
>>
>> Believe I've read that when it "downconverts" a Dolby Digital plus (DD+)
>> disc it outputs DTS. Only way to get the DD+ is via the multi channel
>> analog outs or HDMI. From your post, it sounds as if you have "wired"
>> the multi channel analogs out; however, I would guess that if you have
>> selected the optical for your output that you would automatically get DTS
>> as input on your receiver/audio processor.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Burroughs"
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>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:19 PM
>> Subject: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts
>>
>>
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>>> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1 HD
>>> DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The Phantom of
>>> the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get things started.
>>>
>>> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
>>> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
>>> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is a
>>> several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
>>> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
>>> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the bottom
>>> of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the default
>>> setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and having to make
>>> a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of the 3 movies,
>>> Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note that Serenity is
>>> Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>>>
>>> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in 1080i. I
>>> had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The picture
>>> quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in 2.35:1 ratio
>>> (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a standard chart
>>> with the various specs). I have done any A/B comparisons, but it
>>> definitely rates up there with D-theater and HDNet. I have a recorded
>>> copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the DVD to do a 3-way test - when
>>> I have time. There was no mention anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP,
>>> but it vaguely said that there may be compatibility issues.
>>>
>>> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES connected
>>> to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel pre-amp input.
>>> There is a whole page in the instruction manual about how to configure
>>> the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is
>>> set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
>>> Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
>>> it's in DTS! When I go into the menu selection for Serenity, my only
>>> audio choices are "English 5.1" and other languages - no mention of
>>> Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set
>>> to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the
>>> sound is still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the
>>> quality appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe
>>> my equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
>>> The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver
>>> detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of
>>> the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby
>>> TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba
>>> can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
>>> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can continue
>>> in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>>>
>>> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
>>> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
>>> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the thousands
>>> of comments on AVSforum!
>>>
>>> Jason
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Thanks Richard, that thread filled in a lot of the gaps. I was being nit
picky on your wording of "Dolby Digital Plus downconverted to DTS",
which is unheard of. I think the better phrase is something like decoded
and reencoded to DTS. In any case, that surprises me, too, but I think I
get it. I was thinking my receiver might be incorrectly flagging
something. I'm still puzzled by the lack of "DTS" or "Dolby Digital
Plus" in the player's audio output menu, but it sounds like when the
discs were pressed, it had not all been figured out.

It's also a shame Toshiba decided to use the phrase "advanced con." with
no definition or even description. I thought it meant stuff like deleted
scenes, etc...but it sounds like that section is exactly what applies to
me. I don't know if the avsforum link mentioned it, but that page 59
chart was replaced with an insert that was stuck in the box with the
manual. I haven't analyzed the differences, but it looks like they
changed stuff at the last minute.

One other point is that, as Rodolfo mentioned, there is no multi-channel
lossless audio on this player - very disappointing, and sure to cause a
bunch of us to upgrade again as soon as players come out that support it.

Since HDMI is not an option for me, I am torn between "DTS" created from
the DD+ format over SPDIF and using the analog connections and getting
something I can't easily define. I guess I'll have to do some
experimenting and see what sounds best on my system.

Jason

Richard and Carrie Bray wrote:
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> Jason,
>
> I was apparently correct for your discs but not for some of the future
> releases. For the "launch titles" (i.e., those that just came out)
> the following from an AVS post would be applicable:
> "S/PDIF Coaxial or Optical Digital Audio Connection (same as current
> DVD players)
> Standard DD or DTS bit stream can be passed to processor or receiver
> for external decoding.
> New formats are either down converted or re-encoded to standard DD or
> DTS. Format depends on player and disc, but launch titles all use
> "Advanced Content" which is converted to DTS by the XA1 and A1. See
> the "Advanced Con." row in the attached table.
>
> The "attached table" referred to is for an Output Sound Conversion
> Table (contained approximately page 59 of the owners manual).
>
> Following thread currently contains over 400 posts strictly on the
> audio for the HD Toshiba. My above quote was from the first post.
>
> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthr ... &p=7068162
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Burroughs"
> <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts
>
>
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>>
>> I find it hard to believe that Dolby could be downconverted to
>> DTS...since they are two different companies, their encoding schemes
>> would be entirely different.
>>
>> I do have both the multi-channel analog and have experimented with
>> both it and optical. When using the analog, the receiver can't detect
>> what it's getting, and since the receiver doesn't say, I have no way
>> of knowing what format is being sent - very frustrating!
>>
>> Richard and Carrie Bray wrote:
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> AVS has a thread on the HD-A1 that's already around 2,000 posts.
>>> I've skimmed quite a bit of it. From what I remember, I'll take a
>>> "stab" at your sound issue.
>>>
>>> Believe I've read that when it "downconverts" a Dolby Digital plus
>>> (DD+) disc it outputs DTS. Only way to get the DD+ is via the multi
>>> channel analog outs or HDMI. From your post, it sounds as if you
>>> have "wired" the multi channel analogs out; however, I would guess
>>> that if you have selected the optical for your output that you would
>>> automatically get DTS as input on your receiver/audio processor.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Burroughs"
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:19 PM
>>> Subject: Toshiba HD-DVD player initial thoughts
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1
>>>> HD DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The
>>>> Phantom of the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get
>>>> things started.
>>>>
>>>> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
>>>> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
>>>> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there
>>>> is a several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of
>>>> the features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning
>>>> of the movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on
>>>> the bottom of the screen to configure it if you choose to change
>>>> the default setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD
>>>> and having to make a bunch of choices before starting the movie.
>>>> Out of the 3 movies, Serenity had a menu, while the others did not.
>>>> Note that Serenity is Universal, while the other two are Warner
>>>> Brothers.
>>>>
>>>> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in
>>>> 1080i. I had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The
>>>> picture quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in
>>>> 2.35:1 ratio (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have
>>>> a standard chart with the various specs). I have done any A/B
>>>> comparisons, but it definitely rates up there with D-theater and
>>>> HDNet. I have a recorded copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the
>>>> DVD to do a 3-way test - when I have time. There was no mention
>>>> anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP, but it vaguely said that there
>>>> may be compatibility issues.
>>>>
>>>> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES
>>>> connected to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel
>>>> pre-amp input. There is a whole page in the instruction manual
>>>> about how to configure the various inputs, but for the vast amount
>>>> of gear, it's easy: SPDIF is set to Bitstream, which is the default
>>>> setting. Serenity says "Dolby Digital Plus" on the back of the box.
>>>> However, when the menu comes up, it's in DTS! When I go into the
>>>> menu selection for Serenity, my only audio choices are "English
>>>> 5.1" and other languages - no mention of Dolby or DTS. Once the
>>>> movie starts playing, if I have my receiver set to optical, it
>>>> shows DTS 5.1. If i change over to the pre-amp input, the sound is
>>>> still there, but the volume is noticeably lower (and the quality
>>>> appears to be about the same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe my
>>>> equipment is reading it wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On
>>>> The Last Samurai, it also had "English 5.1" as the choice, my
>>>> receiver detected DTS, and the pre-amp audio was of lower volume.
>>>> With Phantom of the Opera, however, in addition to English 5.1, it
>>>> has "English Dolby TrueHD". When I tried to select it, it rightly
>>>> detects that the Toshiba can only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!),
>>>> and warns you to select Dolby Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It
>>>> doesn't say whether you can continue in 2-channel, and I didn't
>>>> test it.
>>>>
>>>> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
>>>> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know
>>>> about, I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the
>>>> thousands of comments on AVSforum!
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
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#16
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Well I went and bought one!
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewt ... 20204#7955

Let me know when you are ready...

While you don't intend to advertise feel free to announce you are
renting at HD Library.

Thanks

Richard Fisher
www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation

Jason Burroughs wrote:
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> I do plan on renting it, and plan to redesign the site completely. I'll
> probably put them up there in the next few days but just not do any
> advertising.
>
> Richard Fisher wrote:
>
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>> > set to Bitstream, which is the default setting. Serenity says "Dolby
>> > Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However, when the menu comes up,
>> > it's in DTS!
>>
>> Another article said the same thing about that movie...
>>
>> sounds like a mastering error...
>>
>> Thanks for the update!
>>
>> So are you going to rent HD DVD or not?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Richard Fisher
>> www.HDLibrary.com Published by Tech Services
>> A division of Mastertech Repair Corporation
>>
>> Jason Burroughs wrote:
>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Last night, I went to Best Buy and picked up the $499 Toshiba HD-A1
>>> HD DVD player. I also bought The Last Samurai, Serenity, and The
>>> Phantom of the Opera. Here are my findings - just the basics to get
>>> things started.
>>>
>>> Product build quality is pretty solid, it's bigger than most DVD
>>> players, pretty big fan in the back. It runs some kind of Linux and
>>> takes a long time to boot up - over a minute! In the intro, there is
>>> a several minute long commercial for the HD DVD format - one of the
>>> features touted is that you don't have a menu at the beginning of the
>>> movie - the movie just starts playing, and you get a menu on the
>>> bottom of the screen to configure it if you choose to change the
>>> default setting. I guess people got tired of popping in a DVD and
>>> having to make a bunch of choices before starting the movie. Out of
>>> the 3 movies, Serenity had a menu, while the others did not. Note
>>> that Serenity is Universal, while the other two are Warner Brothers.
>>>
>>> Video - I have component video only, and all 3 movies played in
>>> 1080i. I had to configure the player to do this via the remote. The
>>> picture quality is very good, and even the box shows that it's in
>>> 2.35:1 ratio (all 3 movies show the aspect ratio, and seem to have a
>>> standard chart with the various specs). I have done any A/B
>>> comparisons, but it definitely rates up there with D-theater and
>>> HDNet. I have a recorded copy of Samurai in 1080i and will rent the
>>> DVD to do a 3-way test - when I have time. There was no mention
>>> anywhere that I needed HDMI or HDCP, but it vaguely said that there
>>> may be compatibility issues.
>>>
>>> Audio - Here's where it gets weird. I have my Sony STR-DA5ES
>>> connected to the player by way of optical audio AND the 6 channel
>>> pre-amp input. There is a whole page in the instruction manual about
>>> how to configure the various inputs, but for the vast amount of gear,
>>> it's easy: SPDIF is set to Bitstream, which is the default setting.
>>> Serenity says "Dolby Digital Plus" on the back of the box. However,
>>> when the menu comes up, it's in DTS! When I go into the menu
>>> selection for Serenity, my only audio choices are "English 5.1" and
>>> other languages - no mention of Dolby or DTS. Once the movie starts
>>> playing, if I have my receiver set to optical, it shows DTS 5.1. If i
>>> change over to the pre-amp input, the sound is still there, but the
>>> volume is noticeably lower (and the quality appears to be about the
>>> same or maybe not quite as good). Maybe my equipment is reading it
>>> wrong as DTS...but I don't have a clue. On The Last Samurai, it also
>>> had "English 5.1" as the choice, my receiver detected DTS, and the
>>> pre-amp audio was of lower volume. With Phantom of the Opera,
>>> however, in addition to English 5.1, it has "English Dolby TrueHD".
>>> When I tried to select it, it rightly detects that the Toshiba can
>>> only decode 2-channel TrueHD (lame!), and warns you to select Dolby
>>> Digital to enjoy multi-channel. It doesn't say whether you can
>>> continue in 2-channel, and I didn't test it.
>>>
>>> So, those are my first impressions. Any input on the audio stuff is
>>> welcome, and if anyone has specific things they'd like to know about,
>>> I'll try to check it out. I did not want to wade through the
>>> thousands of comments on AVSforum!
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
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