Tuner Cost

Started by Hugh Jun 13, 2005 8 posts
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#1
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This tuner cost stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion. First of all there have not been two
totally identical sets to use for a comparison.....identical except for the integrated tuner.
Secondly, in Sunday's Best Buy newspaper flyer they were selling a Samsung 26" 16x9 CRT HDTV with
integrated tuner for $649. No way the tuner is $400 in that set. I really don't believe they were
$700 last year or $400 this year, if the manufacturers said that was the cost they are not being
truthful.

Joseph was correct in that the masses must have a built in ATSC tuner. If you mention an external
box in addition to the TV most people think you are crazy even if they don't have an OTA and never
plan to buy one. It's a mind set that is hard to overcome.

Hugh



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#2
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One very surprising thing to me is that at least some new "with tuner"
products are NOT ATSC but rather NTSC!

See http://www.orcom.co.kr/42t2.asp for details on the $1399 42" plasma
circulating around. Nobody seems to have caught on that it's 1024x768
with an analog tuner in it...not that great of a bargain.

Interestingly, these units can not be sold per the FCC mandate after
July 1, 2005 (correct me if I'm wrong).

This naturally leads to the conclusion that there will be nothing larger
than 36" after a certain date with an NTSC tuner. That means there will
be a LOT of excess, unsellable inventory! I wonder how they will
reconcile that...maybe they can't "make" it but they can sell their
current stock...?

Jason Burroughs

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Hugh Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:10 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Tuner Cost

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This tuner cost stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion. First of all
there have not been two
totally identical sets to use for a comparison.....identical except for
the integrated tuner.
Secondly, in Sunday's Best Buy newspaper flyer they were selling a
Samsung 26" 16x9 CRT HDTV with
integrated tuner for $649. No way the tuner is $400 in that set. I
really don't believe they were
$700 last year or $400 this year, if the manufacturers said that was the
cost they are not being
truthful.

Joseph was correct in that the masses must have a built in ATSC tuner.
If you mention an external
box in addition to the TV most people think you are crazy even if they
don't have an OTA and never
plan to buy one. It's a mind set that is hard to overcome.

Hugh



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#3
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Good point but I'm fairly sure it's a manufacture cut off date and not a sell date.

Hugh


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One very surprising thing to me is that at least some new "with tuner"
products are NOT ATSC but rather NTSC!

See http://www.orcom.co.kr/42t2.asp for details on the $1399 42" plasma
circulating around. Nobody seems to have caught on that it's 1024x768
with an analog tuner in it...not that great of a bargain.

Interestingly, these units can not be sold per the FCC mandate after
July 1, 2005 (correct me if I'm wrong).

This naturally leads to the conclusion that there will be nothing larger
than 36" after a certain date with an NTSC tuner. That means there will
be a LOT of excess, unsellable inventory! I wonder how they will
reconcile that...maybe they can't "make" it but they can sell their
current stock...?

Jason Burroughs

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Hugh Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:10 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Tuner Cost

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This tuner cost stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion. First of all
there have not been two
totally identical sets to use for a comparison.....identical except for
the integrated tuner.
Secondly, in Sunday's Best Buy newspaper flyer they were selling a
Samsung 26" 16x9 CRT HDTV with
integrated tuner for $649. No way the tuner is $400 in that set. I
really don't believe they were
$700 last year or $400 this year, if the manufacturers said that was the
cost they are not being
truthful.

Joseph was correct in that the masses must have a built in ATSC tuner.
If you mention an external
box in addition to the TV most people think you are crazy even if they
don't have an OTA and never
plan to buy one. It's a mind set that is hard to overcome.

Hugh



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#4
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Hugh,

I responded to your comment of the 26" set on another email, my reports concentrate of screens 40+
inches and I state that on those, which is were most the HD market is going.

The comparison I did for 2004/5 sets indicated the complete specs of the sets, product by product,
the data is on print, the only difference in MOST cases was the tuner, in SOME cases that tuner was
also a Cable CARD tuner.

The factual data became a historical reality, I see no ridiculous in exchanging views over factual
data. We are seen that average moving gradually down but is not even close to were it should be on
40+ screens.

I see no difference on adding a tuner chip and tuning connections on the back of a 26" set or on the
back of a 40" set, why some smaller sets can have such feature much cheaper than the 40"+ screens is
indicative that "there is a manipulation of the price of the tuner part", because I do not think
they are loosing money on the smaller sets.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Hugh Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:10 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Tuner Cost


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This tuner cost stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion. First of all there have not been two
totally identical sets to use for a comparison.....identical except for the integrated tuner.
Secondly, in Sunday's Best Buy newspaper flyer they were selling a Samsung 26" 16x9 CRT HDTV with
integrated tuner for $649. No way the tuner is $400 in that set. I really don't believe they were
$700 last year or $400 this year, if the manufacturers said that was the cost they are not being
truthful.

Joseph was correct in that the masses must have a built in ATSC tuner. If you mention an external
box in addition to the TV most people think you are crazy even if they don't have an OTA and never
plan to buy one. It's a mind set that is hard to overcome.

Hugh



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#5
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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tuner Cost


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One very surprising thing to me is that at least some new "with tuner"
products are NOT ATSC but rather NTSC!

See http://www.orcom.co.kr/42t2.asp for details on the $1399 42" plasma
circulating around. Nobody seems to have caught on that it's 1024x768
with an analog tuner in it...not that great of a bargain.

Interestingly, these units can not be sold per the FCC mandate after
July 1, 2005 (correct me if I'm wrong).

This naturally leads to the conclusion that there will be nothing larger
than 36" after a certain date with an NTSC tuner. That means there will
be a LOT of excess, unsellable inventory! I wonder how they will
reconcile that...maybe they can't "make" it but they can sell their
current stock...?

Jason Burroughs

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Hugh Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:10 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Tuner Cost

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

This tuner cost stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion. First of all
there have not been two
totally identical sets to use for a comparison.....identical except for
the integrated tuner.
Secondly, in Sunday's Best Buy newspaper flyer they were selling a
Samsung 26" 16x9 CRT HDTV with
integrated tuner for $649. No way the tuner is $400 in that set. I
really don't believe they were
$700 last year or $400 this year, if the manufacturers said that was the
cost they are not being
truthful.

Joseph was correct in that the masses must have a built in ATSC tuner.
If you mention an external
box in addition to the TV most people think you are crazy even if they
don't have an OTA and never
plan to buy one. It's a mind set that is hard to overcome.

Hugh



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#6
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Jason,

The mandate schedule is for manufacturing not retailing/purchasing.

This plasma was probably manufactured using the ruling that 50% of the newer models must be
integrated over the last 12 months (for 36" and higher), the FCC does not have the infrastructure to
monitor and police if those percentages were complied with by the manufacturers.

Retailers can do what they want with the inventory they already ordered, in fact they were buying
more monitors, because people wanted more monitors, and the deal is closing as soon as the
inventories are depleted.

If people would not like STBs, as some mentioned, why are they buying monitors then? This shows
that people find integrated sets much more expensive and they do not mind to get STBs, get only the
STB for the service they need, they are voting the acceptance of integration with their dollars, but
when all the monitors are sold then the big fishes will say "you see how people love integrated
sets", and the stats would make them look great in their decision making.

NTSC tuners do not have to be excluded, the mandate is for adding ATSC tuners, not to replace or
remove the existing NTSC capabilities.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tuner Cost


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One very surprising thing to me is that at least some new "with tuner"
products are NOT ATSC but rather NTSC!

See http://www.orcom.co.kr/42t2.asp for details on the $1399 42" plasma
circulating around. Nobody seems to have caught on that it's 1024x768
with an analog tuner in it...not that great of a bargain.

Interestingly, these units can not be sold per the FCC mandate after
July 1, 2005 (correct me if I'm wrong).

This naturally leads to the conclusion that there will be nothing larger
than 36" after a certain date with an NTSC tuner. That means there will
be a LOT of excess, unsellable inventory! I wonder how they will
reconcile that...maybe they can't "make" it but they can sell their
current stock...?

Jason Burroughs

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Hugh Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:10 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Tuner Cost

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

This tuner cost stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion. First of all
there have not been two
totally identical sets to use for a comparison.....identical except for
the integrated tuner.
Secondly, in Sunday's Best Buy newspaper flyer they were selling a
Samsung 26" 16x9 CRT HDTV with
integrated tuner for $649. No way the tuner is $400 in that set. I
really don't believe they were
$700 last year or $400 this year, if the manufacturers said that was the
cost they are not being
truthful.

Joseph was correct in that the masses must have a built in ATSC tuner.
If you mention an external
box in addition to the TV most people think you are crazy even if they
don't have an OTA and never
plan to buy one. It's a mind set that is hard to overcome.

Hugh



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#7
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I sell mostly monitors as most customers have cable or sat. National
statistics bear this out. Why no readily available low cost CRT 26-34"
monitors?


-----Original Message-----
From: Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:51 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tuner Cost

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Jason,

The mandate schedule is for manufacturing not retailing/purchasing.

This plasma was probably manufactured using the ruling that 50% of the newer
models must be
integrated over the last 12 months (for 36" and higher), the FCC does not
have the infrastructure to
monitor and police if those percentages were complied with by the
manufacturers.

Retailers can do what they want with the inventory they already ordered, in
fact they were buying
more monitors, because people wanted more monitors, and the deal is closing
as soon as the
inventories are depleted.

If people would not like STBs, as some mentioned, why are they buying
monitors then? This shows
that people find integrated sets much more expensive and they do not mind to
get STBs, get only the
STB for the service they need, they are voting the acceptance of integration
with their dollars, but
when all the monitors are sold then the big fishes will say "you see how
people love integrated
sets", and the stats would make them look great in their decision making.

NTSC tuners do not have to be excluded, the mandate is for adding ATSC
tuners, not to replace or
remove the existing NTSC capabilities.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tuner Cost


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

One very surprising thing to me is that at least some new "with tuner"
products are NOT ATSC but rather NTSC!

See http://www.orcom.co.kr/42t2.asp for details on the $1399 42" plasma
circulating around. Nobody seems to have caught on that it's 1024x768
with an analog tuner in it...not that great of a bargain.

Interestingly, these units can not be sold per the FCC mandate after
July 1, 2005 (correct me if I'm wrong).

This naturally leads to the conclusion that there will be nothing larger
than 36" after a certain date with an NTSC tuner. That means there will
be a LOT of excess, unsellable inventory! I wonder how they will
reconcile that...maybe they can't "make" it but they can sell their
current stock...?

Jason Burroughs

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Hugh Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:10 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Tuner Cost

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

This tuner cost stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion. First of all
there have not been two
totally identical sets to use for a comparison.....identical except for
the integrated tuner.
Secondly, in Sunday's Best Buy newspaper flyer they were selling a
Samsung 26" 16x9 CRT HDTV with
integrated tuner for $649. No way the tuner is $400 in that set. I
really don't believe they were
$700 last year or $400 this year, if the manufacturers said that was the
cost they are not being
truthful.

Joseph was correct in that the masses must have a built in ATSC tuner.
If you mention an external
box in addition to the TV most people think you are crazy even if they
don't have an OTA and never
plan to buy one. It's a mind set that is hard to overcome.

Hugh



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#8
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Joseph,

RCA has introduced that concept with their new SD CRT ATSC integrated for $269.

A couple of manufacturers are introducing slim CRT tubes (30% slimmer) on that size range, but not
cheap enough yet.

The monitors on that size range have only until March 2006 to be manufactured complying with the
mandate (50% integrated by July 1 2005, which means that the other 50% has the following 9 months to
survive introduction).

I agree with your low cost CRT monitors idea, they should able to be made for a low cost, and LCD
would not come down so low on that time frame, so they would catch a good share of the market for
the next year.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra



-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Joseph Azar
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:20 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tuner Cost


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I sell mostly monitors as most customers have cable or sat. National
statistics bear this out. Why no readily available low cost CRT 26-34"
monitors?


-----Original Message-----
From: Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:51 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tuner Cost

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Jason,

The mandate schedule is for manufacturing not retailing/purchasing.

This plasma was probably manufactured using the ruling that 50% of the newer
models must be
integrated over the last 12 months (for 36" and higher), the FCC does not
have the infrastructure to
monitor and police if those percentages were complied with by the
manufacturers.

Retailers can do what they want with the inventory they already ordered, in
fact they were buying
more monitors, because people wanted more monitors, and the deal is closing
as soon as the
inventories are depleted.

If people would not like STBs, as some mentioned, why are they buying
monitors then? This shows
that people find integrated sets much more expensive and they do not mind to
get STBs, get only the
STB for the service they need, they are voting the acceptance of integration
with their dollars, but
when all the monitors are sold then the big fishes will say "you see how
people love integrated
sets", and the stats would make them look great in their decision making.

NTSC tuners do not have to be excluded, the mandate is for adding ATSC
tuners, not to replace or
remove the existing NTSC capabilities.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:05 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: Tuner Cost


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

One very surprising thing to me is that at least some new "with tuner"
products are NOT ATSC but rather NTSC!

See http://www.orcom.co.kr/42t2.asp for details on the $1399 42" plasma
circulating around. Nobody seems to have caught on that it's 1024x768
with an analog tuner in it...not that great of a bargain.

Interestingly, these units can not be sold per the FCC mandate after
July 1, 2005 (correct me if I'm wrong).

This naturally leads to the conclusion that there will be nothing larger
than 36" after a certain date with an NTSC tuner. That means there will
be a LOT of excess, unsellable inventory! I wonder how they will
reconcile that...maybe they can't "make" it but they can sell their
current stock...?

Jason Burroughs

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Hugh Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:10 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Tuner Cost

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

This tuner cost stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion. First of all
there have not been two
totally identical sets to use for a comparison.....identical except for
the integrated tuner.
Secondly, in Sunday's Best Buy newspaper flyer they were selling a
Samsung 26" 16x9 CRT HDTV with
integrated tuner for $649. No way the tuner is $400 in that set. I
really don't believe they were
$700 last year or $400 this year, if the manufacturers said that was the
cost they are not being
truthful.

Joseph was correct in that the masses must have a built in ATSC tuner.
If you mention an external
box in addition to the TV most people think you are crazy even if they
don't have an OTA and never
plan to buy one. It's a mind set that is hard to overcome.

Hugh



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