TV in Emergencies

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#1
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Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
importance of TV in emergencies.

My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
comes to communication in emergency situations.

Read this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/200509 ... _residents

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#2
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Radio is king when you have an emergency. I do like the idea mentioned of
an emergency wireless network for rescue workers. After 9/11 you'd think we
would have set one of those up.

Hugh


----- Original Message -----
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To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: TV in Emergencies


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> importance of TV in emergencies.
>
> My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
> comes to communication in emergency situations.
>
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I thought there was no bandwidth for it, and that if those greedy
broadcasters would give up the analog spectrum, we might have one by
now.

Jason Burroughs


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Hugh Campbell
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:38 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

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Radio is king when you have an emergency. I do like the idea mentioned
of
an emergency wireless network for rescue workers. After 9/11 you'd
think we
would have set one of those up.

Hugh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry Yastrov" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: TV in Emergencies


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
> importance of TV in emergencies.
>
> My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
> comes to communication in emergency situations.
>
> Read this:
>
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/200509 ... ations_net
works_fail_disaster_area_residents
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#4
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Jason,

You are correct. Here in Phoenix, a radio commercial for the "First
Responders" tells you to call your senator and representative and tell them
you are "in favor of digital TV". Kind of ironic in the face of what H.
Katrina did!

Jordan Meschkow
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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:45 PM
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Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

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I thought there was no bandwidth for it, and that if those greedy
broadcasters would give up the analog spectrum, we might have one by
now.

Jason Burroughs


-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
Of Hugh Campbell
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:38 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

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Radio is king when you have an emergency. I do like the idea mentioned
of
an emergency wireless network for rescue workers. After 9/11 you'd
think we
would have set one of those up.

Hugh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry Yastrov" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: TV in Emergencies


> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
> importance of TV in emergencies.
>
> My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
> comes to communication in emergency situations.
>
> Read this:
>
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/200509 ... ations_net
works_fail_disaster_area_residents
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Dale, this pretty much clinches it for me -- you are way, way too close to
the broadcasters to see their true nature. Seriously, this is by a mile the
funniest thing I've read on this list in the past 2 years.

The idea of putting TV broadcasters in the same sentence with the word
"sharing" is marvelously creative and wildly satiric. It suggests that maybe
stand-up comedy is your true calling.

Also, the news media would have a field day with the idea that the
government is going to decide when it is going to "temporarily" nationalize
the public broadcast airwaves and use it for other purposes -- and then
return it when it decides the crisis is over.

Wait...I think I just heard the Walter Cronkite's heart skip a beat and then
stop dead. And that roar you hear is the New York Times printing a
call-to-arms for the First Amendment. Oh, wait, the NYT is anti-gun...but I
think you get my point.

I don't even understand why you've made this suggestion. The only thing that
needs to happen is that broadcasters need to move their over-entitled butts
off the dual spectrum they've been monopolizing since the mid-1990s.
Eliminate that duplication and emergency broadcasting will have what it
needs, even after the bulk of the freed-up spectrum is auctioned off.

Regards,


Doug
Clearly Resolved Image & Sound

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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Dale Cripps
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 2:35
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

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While it is true that the broadcast spectrum is best for security purposes
and it is true that broadcasters are holding that spectum in their
inventory, it is also true that a major emergency which is more important
than anything else that can be commercially broadcast can occur. It would be

an easy matter to have an alert system that when blazing caused the
broadcaster's analog transmitters to go off and the homeland security
devices fire up using those same frequencies. That would be a shared use of

the frequencies.

Dale

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Jason,
>
> You are correct. Here in Phoenix, a radio commercial for the "First
> Responders" tells you to call your senator and representative and tell
> them
> you are "in favor of digital TV". Kind of ironic in the face of what H.
> Katrina did!
>
> Jordan Meschkow
> [email protected]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:45 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I thought there was no bandwidth for it, and that if those greedy
> broadcasters would give up the analog spectrum, we might have one by
> now.
>
> Jason Burroughs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
> Of Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:38 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Radio is king when you have an emergency. I do like the idea mentioned
> of
> an emergency wireless network for rescue workers. After 9/11 you'd
> think we
> would have set one of those up.
>
> Hugh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Perry Yastrov" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:43 PM
> Subject: TV in Emergencies
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
>> importance of TV in emergencies.
>>
>> My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
>> comes to communication in emergency situations.
>>
>> Read this:
>>
>>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/200509 ... ations_net
> works_fail_disaster_area_residents
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Dale, I hope you are not suggesting that "ALL"
(commercial) broadcasts be pre-empted by emergency
broadcasts for the duration of the emergency?
While I can see the benefit of getting urgent,
official communications to the public - providing
critical, lifesaving information, at the same time
I'm troubled if this means the Government - (ie:
FEMA - Homeland Security, etc) would become the
sole source of information for the duration of the
crisis.

Take this current - absolutely unbelievable and
totally incomprehensible disaster that continues
to worsen hour by hour even 6 days after the
initial impact! - it is only through the
eye-witness exposure by the news organizations'
"on-the-scene" reporters and camera people, that
are enabling the rest of us to SEE and HEAR the
harsh reality of the"TRUE" conditions of suffering
these people are experiencing. A comparison of
what we are seeing and hearing in real-time, with
some of the comments and evaluations of "some" of
those in authority, it is frightening to think of
having all communications restricted to that
information which "certain officials" deemed
appropriate to tell us!

Believe me, I'm sincerely trying, to the best of
my ability, NOT to make any political inferences
on any side...
Yet the horror of what I'm observing with my own
eyes and ears (granted through the lens and
microphone of the "Media") is beyond rational
explanation... What we are witnessing compels any
sentient being to question, "WHY?" (and) "What
the Hell are they thinking ... and doing?" I'm
not interested in blame; I just want to
understand. Next time it may be my family and
friends! If the only information we could receive
came from Emergency Management, we would be as
much in the dark as those helpless people in New
Orleans! There would be no questions, since no
one would know anything, except that which
"someone" decided was safe to tell us.

There are two distinct communication needs during
any major crisis... (1) The immediate need to
communicate with those directly involved - victims
and first responders; and (2) all the rest of the
public not directly affected, but who may have
family and friends in the area. There's the "need
to know" 1st priority, and the "want to know" 2nd
priority.
Having gone through a couple of hurricanes and
tornados - but thank God , nothing on a level
compare to this! - a battery powered radio was the
only link we had to the outside world, for many
days, and longer nights. One irony following a
hurricane that left us without electricity for 15
days, was listening to the simulcast of the local
TV station on our battery powered radio. It was
maddening to hear the TV commentators discussing
scenes relating to their video broadcasts, which
we could not view! (Immediately after the return
to normalcy, we bought a small battery powered
TV - for "next time!")

Sorry, if I went beyond the proper scope of the
TIPS; but in my 65+ years, I've never been so
horrified, moved, angry, bewildered, nor witnessed
any event that equals this nightmare! You know,
this is the first time since getting involved with
HDTV, that I really don't have any desire or need
to view an event in High Definition. I doubt that
amplification of these pictures would change
anything, for better or worse.

Politically correct or not, my (and my family's)
thoughts and prayers are with all those people in
the three affected states, and with their families
and loved ones. May God's Blessings flow to them,
in an even greater deluge than the winds and
waters that have so mercilessly torn loose and
washed away, life as they knew it.

Bob C
[email protected]
http://HDTVInfoPort.com
HDTV Demystified!


----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Cripps
To: HDTV Magazine
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies


----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

While it is true that the broadcast spectrum is
best for security purposes
and it is true that broadcasters are holding
that spectum in their
inventory, it is also true that a major
emergency which is more important
than anything else that can be commercially
broadcast can occur. It would be
an easy matter to have an alert system that when
blazing caused the
broadcaster's analog transmitters to go off and
the homeland security
devices fire up using those same frequencies.
That would be a shared use of
the frequencies.

Dale



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#7
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And all of the information you have received is from over -the-air services?
None of what I have seen is.

This idea I proffered was a trial balloon and in private back channel talk I
would say it has burst with the prick of more reasoned experience, but one
thing we should realize is that these broadcast frequencies are not going to
be easy to recover. Politically speaking, the people we see so devastated
are being re-empowered politically, and the idea of now ordering their TV
service to be discontinued in order to sell spectrum to services they are
least likely to buy or use is more political difficulty. One has to be
neither republican nor democrat to see that many decision made at all
governmental levels are not in the spirit of sheltering the people but
rather for special interests. One can even argue that progress is dependant
upon overriding an ignorant public interest of today for what someone
"smarter" foresees as a "better" public interest for tomorrow. Respected
commentators are now saying that this disaster is revealing how far away
from the notion of public sheltering we have come and a shift back to that
is inevitable. That shift, if it occurs, will make the challenge of shutting
down existing TV services more difficult. I think where public safety is at
stake, even as in the case with homeland security communications, some
answer must be made that will not upset the least enfranchised of our
citizens. It won't fly today. Perhaps we will forget all of what we have
seen tomorrow and even claim that the people are and have always been
sheltered in the love of their government, but that is not the tone of the
articles being written today.

But of course, this is nothing definitive being said here, just some
thoughts generated by the circumstances of our times....

Dale


----- Original Message -----
From: "B Car" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies


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>
> Dale, I hope you are not suggesting that "ALL"
> (commercial) broadcasts be pre-empted by emergency
> broadcasts for the duration of the emergency?
> While I can see the benefit of getting urgent,
> official communications to the public - providing
> critical, lifesaving information, at the same time
> I'm troubled if this means the Government - (ie:
> FEMA - Homeland Security, etc) would become the
> sole source of information for the duration of the
> crisis.
>
> Take this current - absolutely unbelievable and
> totally incomprehensible disaster that continues
> to worsen hour by hour even 6 days after the
> initial impact! - it is only through the
> eye-witness exposure by the news organizations'
> "on-the-scene" reporters and camera people, that
> are enabling the rest of us to SEE and HEAR the
> harsh reality of the"TRUE" conditions of suffering
> these people are experiencing. A comparison of
> what we are seeing and hearing in real-time, with
> some of the comments and evaluations of "some" of
> those in authority, it is frightening to think of
> having all communications restricted to that
> information which "certain officials" deemed
> appropriate to tell us!
>
> Believe me, I'm sincerely trying, to the best of
> my ability, NOT to make any political inferences
> on any side...
> Yet the horror of what I'm observing with my own
> eyes and ears (granted through the lens and
> microphone of the "Media") is beyond rational
> explanation... What we are witnessing compels any
> sentient being to question, "WHY?" (and) "What
> the Hell are they thinking ... and doing?" I'm
> not interested in blame; I just want to
> understand. Next time it may be my family and
> friends! If the only information we could receive
> came from Emergency Management, we would be as
> much in the dark as those helpless people in New
> Orleans! There would be no questions, since no
> one would know anything, except that which
> "someone" decided was safe to tell us.
>
> There are two distinct communication needs during
> any major crisis... (1) The immediate need to
> communicate with those directly involved - victims
> and first responders; and (2) all the rest of the
> public not directly affected, but who may have
> family and friends in the area. There's the "need
> to know" 1st priority, and the "want to know" 2nd
> priority.
> Having gone through a couple of hurricanes and
> tornados - but thank God , nothing on a level
> compare to this! - a battery powered radio was the
> only link we had to the outside world, for many
> days, and longer nights. One irony following a
> hurricane that left us without electricity for 15
> days, was listening to the simulcast of the local
> TV station on our battery powered radio. It was
> maddening to hear the TV commentators discussing
> scenes relating to their video broadcasts, which
> we could not view! (Immediately after the return
> to normalcy, we bought a small battery powered
> TV - for "next time!")
>
> Sorry, if I went beyond the proper scope of the
> TIPS; but in my 65+ years, I've never been so
> horrified, moved, angry, bewildered, nor witnessed
> any event that equals this nightmare! You know,
> this is the first time since getting involved with
> HDTV, that I really don't have any desire or need
> to view an event in High Definition. I doubt that
> amplification of these pictures would change
> anything, for better or worse.
>
> Politically correct or not, my (and my family's)
> thoughts and prayers are with all those people in
> the three affected states, and with their families
> and loved ones. May God's Blessings flow to them,
> in an even greater deluge than the winds and
> waters that have so mercilessly torn loose and
> washed away, life as they knew it.
>
> Bob C
> [email protected]
> http://HDTVInfoPort.com
> HDTV Demystified!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Cripps
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 3:34 AM
> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> While it is true that the broadcast spectrum is
> best for security purposes
> and it is true that broadcasters are holding
> that spectum in their
> inventory, it is also true that a major
> emergency which is more important
> than anything else that can be commercially
> broadcast can occur. It would be
> an easy matter to have an alert system that when
> blazing caused the
> broadcaster's analog transmitters to go off and
> the homeland security
> devices fire up using those same frequencies.
> That would be a shared use of
> the frequencies.
>
> Dale
>
>
>
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#8
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So many keep saying that the broadcasters are hoarding the spectrum. I
think a lot of broadcasters would be most happy to turn off their analog
transmitters and save themselves lots of money spent on power to run
that second transmitter if they knew that they wouldn't lose their
audience. But there's no means right now for them to get their signal
to all of their audience with just their digital transmitter.

The majority of the public still don't have digital receivers, most of
the digital stations aren't carried on cable and none are carried by
DirecTV or Dish. If cable and satellite dropped the analog signals and
replaced them with their digital counter parts, then we'd be making a
major headway. Until that happens, though, the broadcasters will not
want to turn off their analog... and for good reason. Right now those
analog transmitters are still their life blood.

Larry
San Francisco

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> Message-ID: <002601c5b08c$51cd0d70$6400a8c0@bc1>
> Reply-To: "B Car" <[email protected]>
> From: "B Car" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:35:16 -0400
>
> Dale, I hope you are not suggesting that "ALL"
> (commercial) broadcasts be pre-empted by emergency
> broadcasts for the duration of the emergency?
> While I can see the benefit of getting urgent,
> official communications to the public - providing
> critical, lifesaving information, at the same time
> I'm troubled if this means the Government - (ie:
> FEMA - Homeland Security, etc) would become the
> sole source of information for the duration of the
> crisis.
>
> Take this current - absolutely unbelievable and
> totally incomprehensible disaster that continues
> to worsen hour by hour even 6 days after the
> initial impact! - it is only through the
> eye-witness exposure by the news organizations'
> "on-the-scene" reporters and camera people, that
> are enabling the rest of us to SEE and HEAR the
> harsh reality of the"TRUE" conditions of suffering
> these people are experiencing. A comparison of
> what we are seeing and hearing in real-time, with
> some of the comments and evaluations of "some" of
> those in authority, it is frightening to think of
> having all communications restricted to that
> information which "certain officials" deemed
> appropriate to tell us!
>
> Believe me, I'm sincerely trying, to the best of
> my ability, NOT to make any political inferences
> on any side...
> Yet the horror of what I'm observing with my own
> eyes and ears (granted through the lens and
> microphone of the "Media") is beyond rational
> explanation... What we are witnessing compels any
> sentient being to question, "WHY?" (and) "What
> the Hell are they thinking ... and doing?" I'm
> not interested in blame; I just want to
> understand. Next time it may be my family and
> friends! If the only information we could receive
> came from Emergency Management, we would be as
> much in the dark as those helpless people in New
> Orleans! There would be no questions, since no
> one would know anything, except that which
> "someone" decided was safe to tell us.
>
> There are two distinct communication needs during
> any major crisis... (1) The immediate need to
> communicate with those directly involved - victims
> and first responders; and (2) all the rest of the
> public not directly affected, but who may have
> family and friends in the area. There's the "need
> to know" 1st priority, and the "want to know" 2nd
> priority.
> Having gone through a couple of hurricanes and
> tornados - but thank God , nothing on a level
> compare to this! - a battery powered radio was the
> only link we had to the outside world, for many
> days, and longer nights. One irony following a
> hurricane that left us without electricity for 15
> days, was listening to the simulcast of the local
> TV station on our battery powered radio. It was
> maddening to hear the TV commentators discussing
> scenes relating to their video broadcasts, which
> we could not view! (Immediately after the return
> to normalcy, we bought a small battery powered
> TV - for "next time!")
>
> Sorry, if I went beyond the proper scope of the
> TIPS; but in my 65+ years, I've never been so
> horrified, moved, angry, bewildered, nor witnessed
> any event that equals this nightmare! You know,
> this is the first time since getting involved with
> HDTV, that I really don't have any desire or need
> to view an event in High Definition. I doubt that
> amplification of these pictures would change
> anything, for better or worse.
>
> Politically correct or not, my (and my family's)
> thoughts and prayers are with all those people in
> the three affected states, and with their families
> and loved ones. May God's Blessings flow to them,
> in an even greater deluge than the winds and
> waters that have so mercilessly torn loose and
> washed away, life as they knew it.
>
> Bob C
> [email protected]
> http://HDTVInfoPort.com
> HDTV Demystified!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Cripps
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 3:34 AM
> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> While it is true that the broadcast spectrum is
> best for security purposes
> and it is true that broadcasters are holding
> that spectum in their
> inventory, it is also true that a major
> emergency which is more important
> than anything else that can be commercially
> broadcast can occur. It would be
> an easy matter to have an alert system that when
> blazing caused the
> broadcaster's analog transmitters to go off and
> the homeland security
> devices fire up using those same frequencies.
> That would be a shared use of
> the frequencies.
>
> Dale
>
>
>
> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <03b301c5b0a2$118422b0$0402a8c0@gateway> From: "Dale E. Cripps" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:10:57 -0700 And all of the information you have received is from over -the-air services? None of what I have seen is. This idea I proffered was a trial balloon and in private back channel talk I would say it has burst with the prick of more reasoned experience, but one thing we should realize is that these broadcast frequencies are not going to be easy to recover. Politically speaking, the people we see so devastated are being re-empowered politically, and the idea of now ordering their TV service to be discontinued in order to sell spectrum to services they are least likely to buy or use is more political difficulty. One has to be neither republican
nor democrat to see that many decision made at all governmental levels are not in the spirit of sheltering the people but rather for special interests. One can even argue that progress is dependant upon overriding an ignorant public interest of today for what someone "smarter" foresees as a "better" public interest for tomorrow. Respected commentators are now saying that this disaster is revealing how far away from the notion of public sheltering we have come and a shift back to that is inevitable. That shift, if it occurs, will make the challenge of shutting down existing TV services more difficult. I think where public safety is at stake, even as in the case with homeland security communications, some answer must be made that will not upset the least enfranchised of our citizens. It won't fly today. Perhaps we will forget all of what we have seen tomorrow and even claim that the people are and have always been sheltered in the love of their government, but that is not the
tone of the articles being written today. But of course, this is nothing definitive being said here, just some thoughts generated by the circumstances of our times.... Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Car" <[email protected]> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> Dale, I hope you are not suggesting that "ALL"
>>> (commercial) broadcasts be pre-empted by emergency
>>> broadcasts for the duration of the emergency?
>>> While I can see the benefit of getting urgent,
>>> official communications to the public - providing
>>> critical, lifesaving information, at the same time
>>> I'm troubled if this means the Government - (ie:
>>> FEMA - Homeland Security, etc) would become the
>>> sole source of information for the duration of the
>>> crisis.
>>>
>>> Take this current - absolutely unbelievable and
>>> totally incomprehensible disaster that continues
>>> to worsen hour by hour even 6 days after the
>>> initial impact! - it is only through the
>>> eye-witness exposure by the news organizations'
>>> "on-the-scene" reporters and camera people, that
>>> are enabling the rest of us to SEE and HEAR the
>>> harsh reality of the"TRUE" conditions of suffering
>>> these people are experiencing. A comparison of
>>> what we are seeing and hearing in real-time, with
>>> some of the comments and evaluations of "some" of
>>> those in authority, it is frightening to think of
>>> having all communications restricted to that
>>> information which "certain officials" deemed
>>> appropriate to tell us!
>>>
>>> Believe me, I'm sincerely trying, to the best of
>>> my ability, NOT to make any political inferences
>>> on any side...
>>> Yet the horror of what I'm observing with my own
>>> eyes and ears (granted through the lens and
>>> microphone of the "Media") is beyond rational
>>> explanation... What we are witnessing compels any
>>> sentient being to question, "WHY?" (and) "What
>>> the Hell are they thinking ... and doing?" I'm
>>> not interested in blame; I just want to
>>> understand. Next time it may be my family and
>>> friends! If the only information we could receive
>>> came from Emergency Management, we would be as
>>> much in the dark as those helpless people in New
>>> Orleans! There would be no questions, since no
>>> one would know anything, except that which
>>> "someone" decided was safe to tell us.
>>>
>>> There are two distinct communication needs during
>>> any major crisis... (1) The immediate need to
>>> communicate with those directly involved - victims
>>> and first responders; and (2) all the rest of the
>>> public not directly affected, but who may have
>>> family and friends in the area. There's the "need
>>> to know" 1st priority, and the "want to know" 2nd
>>> priority.
>>> Having gone through a couple of hurricanes and
>>> tornados - but thank God , nothing on a level
>>> compare to this! - a battery powered radio was the
>>> only link we had to the outside world, for many
>>> days, and longer nights. One irony following a
>>> hurricane that left us without electricity for 15
>>> days, was listening to the simulcast of the local
>>> TV station on our battery powered radio. It was
>>> maddening to hear the TV commentators discussing
>>> scenes relating to their video broadcasts, which
>>> we could not view! (Immediately after the return
>>> to normalcy, we bought a small battery powered
>>> TV - for "next time!")
>>>
>>> Sorry, if I went beyond the proper scope of the
>>> TIPS; but in my 65+ years, I've never been so
>>> horrified, moved, angry, bewildered, nor witnessed
>>> any event that equals this nightmare! You know,
>>> this is the first time since getting involved with
>>> HDTV, that I really don't have any desire or need
>>> to view an event in High Definition. I doubt that
>>> amplification of these pictures would change
>>> anything, for better or worse.
>>>
>>> Politically correct or not, my (and my family's)
>>> thoughts and prayers are with all those people in
>>> the three affected states, and with their families
>>> and loved ones. May God's Blessings flow to them,
>>> in an even greater deluge than the winds and
>>> waters that have so mercilessly torn loose and
>>> washed away, life as they knew it.
>>>
>>> Bob C
>>> [email protected]
>>> http://HDTVInfoPort.com
>>> HDTV Demystified!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Dale Cripps
>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 3:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>
>>> While it is true that the broadcast spectrum is
>>> best for security purposes
>>> and it is true that broadcasters are holding
>>> that spectum in their
>>> inventory, it is also true that a major
>>> emergency which is more important
>>> than anything else that can be commercially
>>> broadcast can occur. It would be
>>> an easy matter to have an alert system that when
>>> blazing caused the
>>> broadcaster's analog transmitters to go off and
>>> the homeland security
>>> devices fire up using those same frequencies.
>>> That would be a shared use of
>>> the frequencies.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>>
>>>
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This is close to the precise case as you have stated it. None of the
broadcasters enjoy two power bills and double maintenance. They also agonize
over the fact that local retailers will NOT display their digital
programming to illustrate their OTA HD capabilities (the retailers will
typically not show local OTA programming fearing that a competitive
electronics store's advertisement may appear on their own in-store display
sets). The cable "must carry" issues are thorniest because the cable
operators don't want to carry all of what the broadcasters can transmit,
i.e. multicasting, because the content that could be carried via
multicasting by all stations in a given area could be sufficiently
competitive to cut deeply into their (cable's) first tier bread and butter
audience. This has given more incentive for cable to resist the
broadcasters' request to "carry all" and to advance their own "triple play"
strategy, which none-but-cable AND telephone can so far deliver effectively.

Having said all of this, there is also the view among major broadcast groups
that the old spectrum should not be returned to the FCC because a new
technical threat or opportunity could easily arise which also needs
transition spectrum if that threat is to be met (ust as it has been with the
present iteration of DTV) or that opportunity (like MPEG 4 added to the ATSC
standard). This position is diminished (or rises) in direct proportion to
the perceived importance of broadcasting by our society. While the public
may place less and less importance upon local broadcasting, the politicians
still believe that elections are won or lost with their presence on local
broadcasting (and not cable or satellite) channels and they will do nothing
to endanger that condition.

Dale

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>
> So many keep saying that the broadcasters are hoarding the spectrum. I
> think a lot of broadcasters would be most happy to turn off their analog
> transmitters and save themselves lots of money spent on power to run that
> second transmitter if they knew that they wouldn't lose their audience.
> But there's no means right now for them to get their signal to all of
> their audience with just their digital transmitter.
>
> The majority of the public still don't have digital receivers, most of the
> digital stations aren't carried on cable and none are carried by DirecTV
> or Dish. If cable and satellite dropped the analog signals and replaced
> them with their digital counter parts, then we'd be making a major
> headway. Until that happens, though, the broadcasters will not want to
> turn off their analog... and for good reason. Right now those analog
> transmitters are still their life blood.
>
> Larry
> San Francisco
>
> - - -
>
>> Message-ID: <002601c5b08c$51cd0d70$6400a8c0@bc1>
>> Reply-To: "B Car" <[email protected]>
>> From: "B Car" <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:35:16 -0400
>>
>> Dale, I hope you are not suggesting that "ALL" (commercial) broadcasts be
>> pre-empted by emergency broadcasts for the duration of the emergency?
>> While I can see the benefit of getting urgent, official communications to
>> the public - providing critical, lifesaving information, at the same time
>> I'm troubled if this means the Government - (ie: FEMA - Homeland
>> Security, etc) would become the sole source of information for the
>> duration of the crisis.
>>
>> Take this current - absolutely unbelievable and totally incomprehensible
>> disaster that continues to worsen hour by hour even 6 days after the
>> initial impact! - it is only through the eye-witness exposure by the news
>> organizations' "on-the-scene" reporters and camera people, that are
>> enabling the rest of us to SEE and HEAR the harsh reality of the"TRUE"
>> conditions of suffering these people are experiencing. A comparison of
>> what we are seeing and hearing in real-time, with some of the comments
>> and evaluations of "some" of those in authority, it is frightening to
>> think of having all communications restricted to that information which
>> "certain officials" deemed appropriate to tell us!
>>
>> Believe me, I'm sincerely trying, to the best of my ability, NOT to make
>> any political inferences on any side...
>> Yet the horror of what I'm observing with my own eyes and ears (granted
>> through the lens and microphone of the "Media") is beyond rational
>> explanation... What we are witnessing compels any sentient being to
>> question, "WHY?" (and) "What the Hell are they thinking ... and doing?"
>> I'm not interested in blame; I just want to understand. Next time it may
>> be my family and friends! If the only information we could receive came
>> from Emergency Management, we would be as much in the dark as those
>> helpless people in New Orleans! There would be no questions, since no
>> one would know anything, except that which "someone" decided was safe to
>> tell us.
>>
>> There are two distinct communication needs during any major crisis... (1)
>> The immediate need to communicate with those directly involved - victims
>> and first responders; and (2) all the rest of the public not directly
>> affected, but who may have family and friends in the area. There's the
>> "need to know" 1st priority, and the "want to know" 2nd priority.
>> Having gone through a couple of hurricanes and tornados - but thank God ,
>> nothing on a level compare to this! - a battery powered radio was the
>> only link we had to the outside world, for many days, and longer nights.
>> One irony following a hurricane that left us without electricity for 15
>> days, was listening to the simulcast of the local TV station on our
>> battery powered radio. It was maddening to hear the TV commentators
>> discussing scenes relating to their video broadcasts, which we could not
>> view! (Immediately after the return to normalcy, we bought a small
>> battery powered TV - for "next time!")
>>
>> Sorry, if I went beyond the proper scope of the TIPS; but in my 65+
>> years, I've never been so horrified, moved, angry, bewildered, nor
>> witnessed any event that equals this nightmare! You know, this is the
>> first time since getting involved with HDTV, that I really don't have any
>> desire or need to view an event in High Definition. I doubt that
>> amplification of these pictures would change anything, for better or
>> worse.
>>
>> Politically correct or not, my (and my family's) thoughts and prayers are
>> with all those people in the three affected states, and with their
>> families and loved ones. May God's Blessings flow to them, in an even
>> greater deluge than the winds and waters that have so mercilessly torn
>> loose and washed away, life as they knew it.
>>
>> Bob C
>> [email protected]
>> http://HDTVInfoPort.com
>> HDTV Demystified!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dale Cripps
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 3:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> While it is true that the broadcast spectrum is best for security
>> purposes
>> and it is true that broadcasters are holding that spectum in their
>> inventory, it is also true that a major emergency which is more
>> important
>> than anything else that can be commercially broadcast can occur. It
>> would be
>> an easy matter to have an alert system that when blazing caused the
>> broadcaster's analog transmitters to go off and the homeland security
>> devices fire up using those same frequencies. That would be a shared
>> use of
>> the frequencies.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>>
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>> 9/2/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID:
>> <03b301c5b0a2$118422b0$0402a8c0@gateway> From: "Dale E. Cripps"
>> <[email protected]> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies Date: Sat, 3 Sep
>> 2005 09:10:57 -0700 And all of the information you have received is from
>> over -the-air services? None of what I have seen is. This idea I
>> proffered was a trial balloon and in private back channel talk I would
>> say it has burst with the prick of more reasoned experience, but one
>> thing we should realize is that these broadcast frequencies are not going
>> to be easy to recover. Politically speaking, the people we see so
>> devastated are being re-empowered politically, and the idea of now
>> ordering their TV service to be discontinued in order to sell spectrum to
>> services they are least likely to buy or use is more political
>> difficulty. One has to be neither republican
> nor democrat to see that many decision made at all governmental levels are
> not in the spirit of sheltering the people but rather for special
> interests. One can even argue that progress is dependant upon overriding
> an ignorant public interest of today for what someone "smarter" foresees
> as a "better" public interest for tomorrow. Respected commentators are now
> saying that this disaster is revealing how far away from the notion of
> public sheltering we have come and a shift back to that is inevitable.
> That shift, if it occurs, will make the challenge of shutting down
> existing TV services more difficult. I think where public safety is at
> stake, even as in the case with homeland security communications, some
> answer must be made that will not upset the least enfranchised of our
> citizens. It won't fly today. Perhaps we will forget all of what we have
> seen tomorrow and even claim that the people are and have always been
> sheltered in the love of their government, but that is not the tone of the
> articles being written today. But of course, this is nothing definitive
> being said here, just some thoughts generated by the circumstances of our
> times.... Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Car"
> <[email protected]> To: "HDTV Magazine"
> <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:35
> AM Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> Dale, I hope you are not suggesting that "ALL"
>>>> (commercial) broadcasts be pre-empted by emergency
>>>> broadcasts for the duration of the emergency?
>>>> While I can see the benefit of getting urgent,
>>>> official communications to the public - providing
>>>> critical, lifesaving information, at the same time
>>>> I'm troubled if this means the Government - (ie:
>>>> FEMA - Homeland Security, etc) would become the
>>>> sole source of information for the duration of the
>>>> crisis.
>>>>
>>>> Take this current - absolutely unbelievable and
>>>> totally incomprehensible disaster that continues
>>>> to worsen hour by hour even 6 days after the
>>>> initial impact! - it is only through the
>>>> eye-witness exposure by the news organizations'
>>>> "on-the-scene" reporters and camera people, that
>>>> are enabling the rest of us to SEE and HEAR the
>>>> harsh reality of the"TRUE" conditions of suffering
>>>> these people are experiencing. A comparison of
>>>> what we are seeing and hearing in real-time, with
>>>> some of the comments and evaluations of "some" of
>>>> those in authority, it is frightening to think of
>>>> having all communications restricted to that
>>>> information which "certain officials" deemed
>>>> appropriate to tell us!
>>>>
>>>> Believe me, I'm sincerely trying, to the best of
>>>> my ability, NOT to make any political inferences
>>>> on any side...
>>>> Yet the horror of what I'm observing with my own
>>>> eyes and ears (granted through the lens and
>>>> microphone of the "Media") is beyond rational
>>>> explanation... What we are witnessing compels any
>>>> sentient being to question, "WHY?" (and) "What
>>>> the Hell are they thinking ... and doing?" I'm
>>>> not interested in blame; I just want to
>>>> understand. Next time it may be my family and
>>>> friends! If the only information we could receive
>>>> came from Emergency Management, we would be as
>>>> much in the dark as those helpless people in New
>>>> Orleans! There would be no questions, since no
>>>> one would know anything, except that which
>>>> "someone" decided was safe to tell us.
>>>>
>>>> There are two distinct communication needs during
>>>> any major crisis... (1) The immediate need to
>>>> communicate with those directly involved - victims
>>>> and first responders; and (2) all the rest of the
>>>> public not directly affected, but who may have
>>>> family and friends in the area. There's the "need
>>>> to know" 1st priority, and the "want to know" 2nd
>>>> priority.
>>>> Having gone through a couple of hurricanes and
>>>> tornados - but thank God , nothing on a level
>>>> compare to this! - a battery powered radio was the
>>>> only link we had to the outside world, for many
>>>> days, and longer nights. One irony following a
>>>> hurricane that left us without electricity for 15
>>>> days, was listening to the simulcast of the local
>>>> TV station on our battery powered radio. It was
>>>> maddening to hear the TV commentators discussing
>>>> scenes relating to their video broadcasts, which
>>>> we could not view! (Immediately after the return
>>>> to normalcy, we bought a small battery powered
>>>> TV - for "next time!")
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, if I went beyond the proper scope of the
>>>> TIPS; but in my 65+ years, I've never been so
>>>> horrified, moved, angry, bewildered, nor witnessed
>>>> any event that equals this nightmare! You know,
>>>> this is the first time since getting involved with
>>>> HDTV, that I really don't have any desire or need
>>>> to view an event in High Definition. I doubt that
>>>> amplification of these pictures would change
>>>> anything, for better or worse.
>>>>
>>>> Politically correct or not, my (and my family's)
>>>> thoughts and prayers are with all those people in
>>>> the three affected states, and with their families
>>>> and loved ones. May God's Blessings flow to them,
>>>> in an even greater deluge than the winds and
>>>> waters that have so mercilessly torn loose and
>>>> washed away, life as they knew it.
>>>>
>>>> Bob C
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> http://HDTVInfoPort.com
>>>> HDTV Demystified!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Dale Cripps
>>>> To: HDTV Magazine
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 3:34 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>>>
>>>> While it is true that the broadcast spectrum is
>>>> best for security purposes
>>>> and it is true that broadcasters are holding
>>>> that spectum in their
>>>> inventory, it is also true that a major
>>>> emergency which is more important
>>>> than anything else that can be commercially
>>>> broadcast can occur. It would be
>>>> an easy matter to have an alert system that when
>>>> blazing caused the
>>>> broadcaster's analog transmitters to go off and
>>>> the homeland security
>>>> devices fire up using those same frequencies.
>>>> That would be a shared use of
>>>> the frequencies.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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9/25/2005 2:35pm ct

I don't really mean to sound testy, but I wish people would
stop being so short sighted about he role for television in a
national emergency.

Sure, if you were on the Gulf Coast this past week,
television wasn't worth much.

BUT, it was absolutely riveting for the rest of the nation
and clearly resulted in a quicker response from the Federals
government than would have been the case without the calmor... so it
has a role in national emergencies.

On the more mechanical point of using TV to receive
information in the area of a disaster, the good thing about TV over
the air is that it does not depend upon DSL wires or cable wires. If
the tuner is built in and you have electricity and rabbit ears, you
can receive.

The point is, and it strategically foolish to exclude OTA
digital tuners from home television sets over a few dollars. It is
an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that.

Robert

At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
>importance of TV in emergencies.
>
>My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
>comes to communication in emergency situations.
>
>Read this:
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050901/tc_washpost/communications_networks_fail_disaster_area_residents
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I'm not of the mind to say that TV doesn't have a role
in a national emergency. In fact, TV plays a large
role in motivating others to help those in need.

But locally, I doubt if anyone in New Orleans, if they
had a portable TV, would have benefited much by it.

Its much easier and faster to set up radio broadcasts
as opposed to TV, in a disaster area. Radio signals
travel further and can cover a much greater area than
TV. Its just a much more efficient way to disseminate
information.



--- Robert Wade Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> 9/25/2005 2:35pm ct
>
> I don't really mean to sound testy, but I
> wish people would
> stop being so short sighted about he role for
> television in a
> national emergency.
>
> Sure, if you were on the Gulf Coast this
> past week,
> television wasn't worth much.
>
> BUT, it was absolutely riveting for the
> rest of the nation
> and clearly resulted in a quicker response from the
> Federals
> government than would have been the case without the
> calmor... so it
> has a role in national emergencies.
>
> On the more mechanical point of using TV to
> receive
> information in the area of a disaster, the good
> thing about TV over
> the air is that it does not depend upon DSL wires or
> cable wires. If
> the tuner is built in and you have electricity and
> rabbit ears, you
> can receive.
>
> The point is, and it strategically foolish
> to exclude OTA
> digital tuners from home television sets over a few
> dollars. It is
> an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that.
>
> Robert
>
> At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding
> the
> >importance of TV in emergencies.
> >
> >My take has been that TV is not a major player when
> it
> >comes to communication in emergency situations.
> >
> >Read this:
> >
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050901/tc_washpost/communications_networks_fail_disaster_area_residents
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Robert,

Your comment: "The point is, and it is strategically foolish to exclude OTA digital tuners from home
television sets over a few dollars. It is an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that."

In theory yes, but decisions made based on the theory without a market that can respond fast enough
could be foolish themselves.

In practice,

a) the slow speed of economies of scale over 7 years for tuners does not make it "a few dollars"
product for "the pocket of the consumer", and

b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge hundreds for a component that
cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.

Over the years I have provided abundant information on my reports and articles about this subject.

A recent case was the $1000+ tuners on Pioneer Elite plasmas (integrated and monitor versions), that
was an extreme to that abuse. How convenient the mandate, for whom?

Check also the record of all 40"-plus screens when introduced in parallel as 50% monitors 50%
integrated versions, they were jacking up $704 average for integration, and about $500 average on
the next models (2005 models), that is official MSRP not Joe-blow estimate.

Now that phenomenon can not be detected because of the lack of monitors on the 40"-plus size, and
some people are still pointing to only the good deal of a small size $600 integrated TVs in Target
to highlight that they are not expensive, which is true, but how inconsistent its implementation.

Mandating might be a good policy, but only if the product is offered at a matured cost considering
that the buyer is forced to pay a lot for it, and one might already have one (on the satellite STB
for example), THAT is foolish.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra






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----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

9/25/2005 2:35pm ct

I don't really mean to sound testy, but I wish people would
stop being so short sighted about he role for television in a
national emergency.

Sure, if you were on the Gulf Coast this past week,
television wasn't worth much.

BUT, it was absolutely riveting for the rest of the nation
and clearly resulted in a quicker response from the Federals
government than would have been the case without the calmor... so it
has a role in national emergencies.

On the more mechanical point of using TV to receive
information in the area of a disaster, the good thing about TV over
the air is that it does not depend upon DSL wires or cable wires. If
the tuner is built in and you have electricity and rabbit ears, you
can receive.

The point is, and it strategically foolish to exclude OTA
digital tuners from home television sets over a few dollars. It is
an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that.

Robert

At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
>importance of TV in emergencies.
>
>My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
>comes to communication in emergency situations.
>
>Read this:
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050901/tc_washpost/communications_networks_fail_disaster_area_re
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9/5/2005 5:11pm ct

Rodolfo,

You have forgotten more about HDTV than I will ever know,
but I still disagree with you on the mandated-inclusion pricing for
factory equipped OTA digital tuners, when there is no alternative, a
market condition which, in my very humble opinion, invalidates the
comparison you site below.

The manufacturers will not raise these prices. They want to
sell these sets.

While I could be wrong, I don't think I am. I'd bet the farm on it.

Regarding:...
>b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge
>hundreds for a component that
>cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.

I haven't read every email. Please bring me up to date on the issue.

Happy Labor Day,
Robert

At 05:00 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Robert,
>
>Your comment: "The point is, and it is strategically foolish to
>exclude OTA digital tuners from home
>television sets over a few dollars. It is an extraordinarily bad
>public policy to permit that."
>
>In theory yes, but decisions made based on the theory without a
>market that can respond fast enough
>could be foolish themselves.
>
>In practice,
>
>a) the slow speed of economies of scale over 7 years for tuners does
>not make it "a few dollars"
>product for "the pocket of the consumer", and
>
>b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge
>hundreds for a component that
>cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.
>
>Over the years I have provided abundant information on my reports
>and articles about this subject.
>
>A recent case was the $1000+ tuners on Pioneer Elite plasmas
>(integrated and monitor versions), that
>was an extreme to that abuse. How convenient the mandate, for whom?
>
>Check also the record of all 40"-plus screens when introduced in
>parallel as 50% monitors 50%
>integrated versions, they were jacking up $704 average for
>integration, and about $500 average on
>the next models (2005 models), that is official MSRP not Joe-blow estimate.
>
>Now that phenomenon can not be detected because of the lack of
>monitors on the 40"-plus size, and
>some people are still pointing to only the good deal of a small size
>$600 integrated TVs in Target
>to highlight that they are not expensive, which is true, but how
>inconsistent its implementation.
>
>Mandating might be a good policy, but only if the product is offered
>at a matured cost considering
>that the buyer is forced to pay a lot for it, and one might already
>have one (on the satellite STB
>for example), THAT is foolish.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Robert Wade Brown
>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 3:45 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>9/25/2005 2:35pm ct
>
> I don't really mean to sound testy, but I wish people would
>stop being so short sighted about he role for television in a
>national emergency.
>
> Sure, if you were on the Gulf Coast this past week,
>television wasn't worth much.
>
> BUT, it was absolutely riveting for the rest of the nation
>and clearly resulted in a quicker response from the Federals
>government than would have been the case without the calmor... so it
>has a role in national emergencies.
>
> On the more mechanical point of using TV to receive
>information in the area of a disaster, the good thing about TV over
>the air is that it does not depend upon DSL wires or cable wires. If
>the tuner is built in and you have electricity and rabbit ears, you
>can receive.
>
> The point is, and it strategically foolish to exclude OTA
>digital tuners from home television sets over a few dollars. It is
>an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that.
>
>Robert
>
>At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
> >importance of TV in emergencies.
> >
> >My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
> >comes to communication in emergency situations.
> >
> >Read this:
> >
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050901/tc_washpost/communication
> s_networks_fail_disaster_area_re
>sidents
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#14
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Granted, radio is a better medium in immediate emergencies, due to
portability, low power consumption, and other attributes. TV does have an
infinitely larger role in precipitating assistance. I am also willing to
speculate that it has an ability to allow those affected to see where they
now cannot, and to help them in decision making (i.e. what routes are
passable or not, how the crowds are at various help points, and much more,
even to the point of seeing missing friends and relatives being cared for).
TV cannot, as it currently exists, replace radio in emergencies, but TV has
the ability to provide the helpless, the helpers, and the decision makers
alike, the ability to see what they need to see to provide faster and better
response.



-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Yastrov
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 4:58 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I'm not of the mind to say that TV doesn't have a role
in a national emergency. In fact, TV plays a large
role in motivating others to help those in need.

But locally, I doubt if anyone in New Orleans, if they
had a portable TV, would have benefited much by it.

Its much easier and faster to set up radio broadcasts
as opposed to TV, in a disaster area. Radio signals
travel further and can cover a much greater area than
TV. Its just a much more efficient way to disseminate
information.



--- Robert Wade Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> 9/25/2005 2:35pm ct
>
> I don't really mean to sound testy, but I
> wish people would
> stop being so short sighted about he role for
> television in a
> national emergency.
>
> Sure, if you were on the Gulf Coast this
> past week,
> television wasn't worth much.
>
> BUT, it was absolutely riveting for the
> rest of the nation
> and clearly resulted in a quicker response from the
> Federals
> government than would have been the case without the
> calmor... so it
> has a role in national emergencies.
>
> On the more mechanical point of using TV to
> receive
> information in the area of a disaster, the good
> thing about TV over
> the air is that it does not depend upon DSL wires or
> cable wires. If
> the tuner is built in and you have electricity and
> rabbit ears, you
> can receive.
>
> The point is, and it strategically foolish
> to exclude OTA
> digital tuners from home television sets over a few
> dollars. It is
> an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that.
>
> Robert
>
> At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding
> the
> >importance of TV in emergencies.
> >
> >My take has been that TV is not a major player when
> it
> >comes to communication in emergency situations.
> >
> >Read this:
> >
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050901/tc_washpost/communications_networ
ks_fail_disaster_area_residents
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#15
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Rodolfo,

Though I generally agree with you, I am of mixed opinion on this. I do feel
that the mfgs. could have produced an acceptable digital tuner at a
reasonable a few years prior if they really needed (notice I did not say
wanted) to. A chip to do just that could have been developed easily enough,
but the resistive force has been two fold: not enough demand (hence volume),
and no need. As a result, companies could charge outrageous prices because
digital tuners were "cutting edge/high tech/new technology/very
special/etc-fill in what you want here as a marketing justification to over
charge". One only needs to look at the lowly satellite box, a giveaway now,
that has so much digital technology that was only available for outrageous
sums a few years earlier. No, there was no govt. mandate for sat boxes, but
there was on the business side if the sat cos. were to be a viable,
competitive player vs. cable. It is truly amazing the technological jump in
equipment, and the precipitous drop in price, for sat in just a very short
time.

My feeling is that tuners could have, and still can be, included for much
less had there been a need. But the other side of the coin is there is still
not much need as most use something other than antenna to get TV. Should
there be a need for OTA in an emergency, most people would not be able to
use it as they do not have any sort of antenna laying around the house.



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Wade Brown
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 6:16 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

9/5/2005 5:11pm ct

Rodolfo,

You have forgotten more about HDTV than I will ever know,
but I still disagree with you on the mandated-inclusion pricing for
factory equipped OTA digital tuners, when there is no alternative, a
market condition which, in my very humble opinion, invalidates the
comparison you site below.

The manufacturers will not raise these prices. They want to
sell these sets.

While I could be wrong, I don't think I am. I'd bet the farm on
it.

Regarding:...
>b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge
>hundreds for a component that
>cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.

I haven't read every email. Please bring me up to date on the
issue.

Happy Labor Day,
Robert

At 05:00 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Robert,
>
>Your comment: "The point is, and it is strategically foolish to
>exclude OTA digital tuners from home
>television sets over a few dollars. It is an extraordinarily bad
>public policy to permit that."
>
>In theory yes, but decisions made based on the theory without a
>market that can respond fast enough
>could be foolish themselves.
>
>In practice,
>
>a) the slow speed of economies of scale over 7 years for tuners does
>not make it "a few dollars"
>product for "the pocket of the consumer", and
>
>b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge
>hundreds for a component that
>cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.
>
>Over the years I have provided abundant information on my reports
>and articles about this subject.
>
>A recent case was the $1000+ tuners on Pioneer Elite plasmas
>(integrated and monitor versions), that
>was an extreme to that abuse. How convenient the mandate, for whom?
>
>Check also the record of all 40"-plus screens when introduced in
>parallel as 50% monitors 50%
>integrated versions, they were jacking up $704 average for
>integration, and about $500 average on
>the next models (2005 models), that is official MSRP not Joe-blow estimate.
>
>Now that phenomenon can not be detected because of the lack of
>monitors on the 40"-plus size, and
>some people are still pointing to only the good deal of a small size
>$600 integrated TVs in Target
>to highlight that they are not expensive, which is true, but how
>inconsistent its implementation.
>
>Mandating might be a good policy, but only if the product is offered
>at a matured cost considering
>that the buyer is forced to pay a lot for it, and one might already
>have one (on the satellite STB
>for example), THAT is foolish.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Robert Wade Brown
>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 3:45 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>9/25/2005 2:35pm ct
>
> I don't really mean to sound testy, but I wish people would
>stop being so short sighted about he role for television in a
>national emergency.
>
> Sure, if you were on the Gulf Coast this past week,
>television wasn't worth much.
>
> BUT, it was absolutely riveting for the rest of the nation
>and clearly resulted in a quicker response from the Federals
>government than would have been the case without the calmor... so it
>has a role in national emergencies.
>
> On the more mechanical point of using TV to receive
>information in the area of a disaster, the good thing about TV over
>the air is that it does not depend upon DSL wires or cable wires. If
>the tuner is built in and you have electricity and rabbit ears, you
>can receive.
>
> The point is, and it strategically foolish to exclude OTA
>digital tuners from home television sets over a few dollars. It is
>an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that.
>
>Robert
>
>At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
> >importance of TV in emergencies.
> >
> >My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
> >comes to communication in emergency situations.
> >
> >Read this:
> >
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050901/tc_washpost/communication
> s_networks_fail_disaster_area_re
>sidents
> >
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#16
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Robert,

Your three statements:

"You have forgotten more about HDTV than I will ever know," What did actually mean with this?

"The manufacturers will not raise these prices. They want to sell these sets." I suggest you read
and research more about the overall industry, not just one small direct-view set at Target.

Manufacturers "did" increase their integrated set prices but did it in a way that was not easy to
discern what was the cost of what new feature/technology, and now, thanks to the mandate for no
monitors, it is not possible to establish the differences because of the lack of monitor versions on
40+ sizes.

Regarding earlier emails (" I haven't read every email. Please bring me up to date on the issue"),
they are all there if you care to save them, a search by "integrated" within your saved Tips would
get you the information you are asking. I believe that is of better service for me to invest the
time to help on subjects we did not cover already.





Robert and Joseph,

There are subjects that lend themselves to opinion and argument, there are others that are not that
flexible but numeric interpretation could provide some room for discussion, there are others that
numbers themselves establish such a clear position that do not give much room for arguing that part
of the equation, this is one of those.

The data I provided about the subject is sourced from actual MSRP of dozens of main stream companies
on ALL of their lines since the tuner mandate started its implementation for 36" and larger, this is
not Mr. Joe-blow estimate and his opinionated statements in the XXX journal.

Please read the 2004 CES report (pages 16-21) or the HDTVetc Magazine article dedicated to that, the
CES 2004 has been free for long (if you care to read), it takes a lot of effort to collect the data,
analyze the entire HDTV industry, and provide a summary based on numerical facts and actual
products, if you find any other well sourced factual information that provides a different view let
us discuss that factual information, until then I feel is on the best interest of everyone for me
not repeat information I already provided to respond to statements that do not match the reality of
the HDTV industry.




Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of Joseph Azar
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:07 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies


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Rodolfo,

Though I generally agree with you, I am of mixed opinion on this. I do feel
that the mfgs. could have produced an acceptable digital tuner at a
reasonable a few years prior if they really needed (notice I did not say
wanted) to. A chip to do just that could have been developed easily enough,
but the resistive force has been two fold: not enough demand (hence volume),
and no need. As a result, companies could charge outrageous prices because
digital tuners were "cutting edge/high tech/new technology/very
special/etc-fill in what you want here as a marketing justification to over
charge". One only needs to look at the lowly satellite box, a giveaway now,
that has so much digital technology that was only available for outrageous
sums a few years earlier. No, there was no govt. mandate for sat boxes, but
there was on the business side if the sat cos. were to be a viable,
competitive player vs. cable. It is truly amazing the technological jump in
equipment, and the precipitous drop in price, for sat in just a very short
time.

My feeling is that tuners could have, and still can be, included for much
less had there been a need. But the other side of the coin is there is still
not much need as most use something other than antenna to get TV. Should
there be a need for OTA in an emergency, most people would not be able to
use it as they do not have any sort of antenna laying around the house.



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Wade Brown
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 6:16 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

9/5/2005 5:11pm ct

Rodolfo,

You have forgotten more about HDTV than I will ever know,
but I still disagree with you on the mandated-inclusion pricing for
factory equipped OTA digital tuners, when there is no alternative, a
market condition which, in my very humble opinion, invalidates the
comparison you site below.

The manufacturers will not raise these prices. They want to
sell these sets.

While I could be wrong, I don't think I am. I'd bet the farm on
it.

Regarding:...
>b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge
>hundreds for a component that
>cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.

I haven't read every email. Please bring me up to date on the
issue.

Happy Labor Day,
Robert

At 05:00 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>Robert,
>
>Your comment: "The point is, and it is strategically foolish to
>exclude OTA digital tuners from home
>television sets over a few dollars. It is an extraordinarily bad
>public policy to permit that."
>
>In theory yes, but decisions made based on the theory without a
>market that can respond fast enough
>could be foolish themselves.
>
>In practice,
>
>a) the slow speed of economies of scale over 7 years for tuners does
>not make it "a few dollars"
>product for "the pocket of the consumer", and
>
>b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge
>hundreds for a component that
>cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.
>
>Over the years I have provided abundant information on my reports
>and articles about this subject.
>
>A recent case was the $1000+ tuners on Pioneer Elite plasmas
>(integrated and monitor versions), that
>was an extreme to that abuse. How convenient the mandate, for whom?
>
>Check also the record of all 40"-plus screens when introduced in
>parallel as 50% monitors 50%
>integrated versions, they were jacking up $704 average for
>integration, and about $500 average on
>the next models (2005 models), that is official MSRP not Joe-blow estimate.
>
>Now that phenomenon can not be detected because of the lack of
>monitors on the 40"-plus size, and
>some people are still pointing to only the good deal of a small size
>$600 integrated TVs in Target
>to highlight that they are not expensive, which is true, but how
>inconsistent its implementation.
>
>Mandating might be a good policy, but only if the product is offered
>at a matured cost considering
>that the buyer is forced to pay a lot for it, and one might already
>have one (on the satellite STB
>for example), THAT is foolish.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Robert Wade Brown
>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 3:45 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
>
>----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>9/25/2005 2:35pm ct
>
> I don't really mean to sound testy, but I wish people would
>stop being so short sighted about he role for television in a
>national emergency.
>
> Sure, if you were on the Gulf Coast this past week,
>television wasn't worth much.
>
> BUT, it was absolutely riveting for the rest of the nation
>and clearly resulted in a quicker response from the Federals
>government than would have been the case without the calmor... so it
>has a role in national emergencies.
>
> On the more mechanical point of using TV to receive
>information in the area of a disaster, the good thing about TV over
>the air is that it does not depend upon DSL wires or cable wires. If
>the tuner is built in and you have electricity and rabbit ears, you
>can receive.
>
> The point is, and it strategically foolish to exclude OTA
>digital tuners from home television sets over a few dollars. It is
>an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that.
>
>Robert
>
>At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
> >----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
> >importance of TV in emergencies.
> >
> >My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
> >comes to communication in emergency situations.
> >
> >Read this:
> >
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050901/tc_washpost/communication
> s_networks_fail_disaster_area_re
>sidents
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Obviously Rodolfo, this touches a nerve with you. My observations of the CE
industry over the years, coupled with observation of new product roll out,
and substantial price decreases in a short amount of time due to new,
consolidated and dedicated chip sets, leads me to the conclusion that
developing and manufacturing a chipset for digital tuning at a much lower
price than has been is not a fantasy or dream. As I pointed out, the
satellite industry created vastly superior product at prices that now allow
the product to be "given" (subsidized by subs, of course, but with a quick
return) away. Remember the BUDs? That was not very long ago, and look at the
prices then. If it were not for technology improving, and getting cheaper
due to research and volume, we would not have the sat industry we have
today. Look at the HD sat boxes that have HD sat and OTA, and the prices on
them now, even without that much volume being produced. How about Faroudja
and its products now vs. only a couple of years ago? Look what chipsets did
for them, and for prices. Go back in time to PLL tuner circuits before and
after dedicated chipsets. How about the price drops in CD players? DVD
players? Look at today's computers, Wi-Fi modems, etc. etc., including new
video cards with HD tuners. Look, even, at cable HD boxes and rental costs.
All these things came down quickly in price, and improved dramatically just
as quickly.

Yes, my argument is based on speculation, observation, gut feeling. But it
is also based on real life experiences of product development and roll outs.
As there was no "need" to produce digital tuners, and they were a "high end"
product, mfgs. could milk that market for a while, much as they do with any
new product and technology intro. A great example is all the Sony Qualia we
keep discussing here, and the new sets based on that technology. From
discussion here it appears that the new sets are improved over the
$12,000(?) set we saw at CES, are much less (1/2?) in cost, and its only
been, what, maybe 5 months since they have been available for sale?

So no one mfg. felt the need to develop a tuner chipset for a low cost as
the numbers were not there, no govt. mandate was there, too many variables
in HD standards, very little programming, and so many other reasons.

These are my opinions and observations. This discussion is now becoming moot
as we see $600 HD TVs with installed HD OTA tuners. I suggest we no longer
discuss this anymore as it is a dead issue due to the obvious.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rodolfo La Maestra
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:44 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

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Robert,

Your three statements:

"You have forgotten more about HDTV than I will ever know," What did
actually mean with this?

"The manufacturers will not raise these prices. They want to sell these
sets." I suggest you read
and research more about the overall industry, not just one small direct-view
set at Target.

Manufacturers "did" increase their integrated set prices but did it in a way
that was not easy to
discern what was the cost of what new feature/technology, and now, thanks to
the mandate for no
monitors, it is not possible to establish the differences because of the
lack of monitor versions on
40+ sizes.

Regarding earlier emails (" I haven't read every email. Please bring me up
to date on the issue"),
they are all there if you care to save them, a search by "integrated" within
your saved Tips would
get you the information you are asking. I believe that is of better service
for me to invest the
time to help on subjects we did not cover already.





Robert and Joseph,

There are subjects that lend themselves to opinion and argument, there are
others that are not that
flexible but numeric interpretation could provide some room for discussion,
there are others that
numbers themselves establish such a clear position that do not give much
room for arguing that part
of the equation, this is one of those.

The data I provided about the subject is sourced from actual MSRP of dozens
of main stream companies
on ALL of their lines since the tuner mandate started its implementation for
36" and larger, this is
not Mr. Joe-blow estimate and his opinionated statements in the XXX journal.

Please read the 2004 CES report (pages 16-21) or the HDTVetc Magazine
article dedicated to that, the
CES 2004 has been free for long (if you care to read), it takes a lot of
effort to collect the data,
analyze the entire HDTV industry, and provide a summary based on numerical
facts and actual
products, if you find any other well sourced factual information that
provides a different view let
us discuss that factual information, until then I feel is on the best
interest of everyone for me
not repeat information I already provided to respond to statements that do
not match the reality of
the HDTV industry.




Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra




-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Joseph Azar
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:07 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies


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Rodolfo,

Though I generally agree with you, I am of mixed opinion on this. I do feel
that the mfgs. could have produced an acceptable digital tuner at a
reasonable a few years prior if they really needed (notice I did not say
wanted) to. A chip to do just that could have been developed easily enough,
but the resistive force has been two fold: not enough demand (hence volume),
and no need. As a result, companies could charge outrageous prices because
digital tuners were "cutting edge/high tech/new technology/very
special/etc-fill in what you want here as a marketing justification to over
charge". One only needs to look at the lowly satellite box, a giveaway now,
that has so much digital technology that was only available for outrageous
sums a few years earlier. No, there was no govt. mandate for sat boxes, but
there was on the business side if the sat cos. were to be a viable,
competitive player vs. cable. It is truly amazing the technological jump in
equipment, and the precipitous drop in price, for sat in just a very short
time.

My feeling is that tuners could have, and still can be, included for much
less had there been a need. But the other side of the coin is there is still
not much need as most use something other than antenna to get TV. Should
there be a need for OTA in an emergency, most people would not be able to
use it as they do not have any sort of antenna laying around the house.



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Wade Brown
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 6:16 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies

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9/5/2005 5:11pm ct

Rodolfo,

You have forgotten more about HDTV than I will ever know,
but I still disagree with you on the mandated-inclusion pricing for
factory equipped OTA digital tuners, when there is no alternative, a
market condition which, in my very humble opinion, invalidates the
comparison you site below.

The manufacturers will not raise these prices. They want to
sell these sets.

While I could be wrong, I don't think I am. I'd bet the farm on
it.

Regarding:...
>b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge
>hundreds for a component that
>cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.

I haven't read every email. Please bring me up to date on the
issue.

Happy Labor Day,
Robert

At 05:00 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
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>
>Robert,
>
>Your comment: "The point is, and it is strategically foolish to
>exclude OTA digital tuners from home
>television sets over a few dollars. It is an extraordinarily bad
>public policy to permit that."
>
>In theory yes, but decisions made based on the theory without a
>market that can respond fast enough
>could be foolish themselves.
>
>In practice,
>
>a) the slow speed of economies of scale over 7 years for tuners does
>not make it "a few dollars"
>product for "the pocket of the consumer", and
>
>b) manufacturers abused the mandate of integrated tuners to charge
>hundreds for a component that
>cost much less, that makes foolish the purchase itself, not the exclusion.
>
>Over the years I have provided abundant information on my reports
>and articles about this subject.
>
>A recent case was the $1000+ tuners on Pioneer Elite plasmas
>(integrated and monitor versions), that
>was an extreme to that abuse. How convenient the mandate, for whom?
>
>Check also the record of all 40"-plus screens when introduced in
>parallel as 50% monitors 50%
>integrated versions, they were jacking up $704 average for
>integration, and about $500 average on
>the next models (2005 models), that is official MSRP not Joe-blow estimate.
>
>Now that phenomenon can not be detected because of the lack of
>monitors on the 40"-plus size, and
>some people are still pointing to only the good deal of a small size
>$600 integrated TVs in Target
>to highlight that they are not expensive, which is true, but how
>inconsistent its implementation.
>
>Mandating might be a good policy, but only if the product is offered
>at a matured cost considering
>that the buyer is forced to pay a lot for it, and one might already
>have one (on the satellite STB
>for example), THAT is foolish.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>Robert Wade Brown
>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 3:45 PM
>To: HDTV Magazine
>Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
>
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>
>9/25/2005 2:35pm ct
>
> I don't really mean to sound testy, but I wish people would
>stop being so short sighted about he role for television in a
>national emergency.
>
> Sure, if you were on the Gulf Coast this past week,
>television wasn't worth much.
>
> BUT, it was absolutely riveting for the rest of the nation
>and clearly resulted in a quicker response from the Federals
>government than would have been the case without the calmor... so it
>has a role in national emergencies.
>
> On the more mechanical point of using TV to receive
>information in the area of a disaster, the good thing about TV over
>the air is that it does not depend upon DSL wires or cable wires. If
>the tuner is built in and you have electricity and rabbit ears, you
>can receive.
>
> The point is, and it strategically foolish to exclude OTA
>digital tuners from home television sets over a few dollars. It is
>an extraordinarily bad public policy to permit that.
>
>Robert
>
>At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
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> >
> >Not long ago there was a discussion here regarding the
> >importance of TV in emergencies.
> >
> >My take has been that TV is not a major player when it
> >comes to communication in emergency situations.
> >
> >Read this:
> >
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050901/tc_washpost/communication
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Rodolfo La Maestra
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 3:00 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: TV in Emergencies
>
>
> a) the slow speed of economies of scale over 7 years for tuners does not
> make it "a few dollars"
> product for "the pocket of the consumer", and
>

The cost of integrated tuners is not, and never has been, about "economics
of scale". It's simple price gouging on the part of the manufacturers. Just
like oil, it's not marketing dynamics. It's manipulation.

The examples of cheaper tuners have been posted multiple times in the past
when this topic has come up.

There is ZERO justification for the $500-$1k markup of integrated tuners.

Bob




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