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#1 Dec 9, 2005 at 8:48 pm

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I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
Samsung 61" DLP

#2 Dec 9, 2005 at 8:59 pm

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Anthony,

Check out the LCoS shoot out series in Widescreen Review by Dr. Raymond
Soneira, PHD. He told me Sony did not participate because they knew their
equipment would not perform well enough under his scrutiny. The series
appears in the November, December and January issues. He explains very
clearly and completely why the LCoS technology holds the most potential for
the best imaging. I'm advising customers to wait until the series is
completed before purchasing any RPTV.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:48 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: What's hot?

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I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
Samsung 61" DLP(tm) HDTV (HL-R6167W)
form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all the
major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that I
couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling over
my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc format
shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
"low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's home
would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
Sony models.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

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#3 Dec 9, 2005 at 9:03 pm

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A sales manager at one of the stores we visited made the comment that JVC
has had problems with their DILA sets and that LCOC is still not considered
a stable format. I know this person and don't consider him to be one who
blows smoke. Have you Alan or has anyone heard about this?

Thanks for the tip Alan I will pick up what issues of the mag I can find.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Alan Brown
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:59 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

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Anthony,

Check out the LCoS shoot out series in Widescreen Review by Dr. Raymond
Soneira, PHD. He told me Sony did not participate because they knew their
equipment would not perform well enough under his scrutiny. The series
appears in the November, December and January issues. He explains very
clearly and completely why the LCoS technology holds the most potential for
the best imaging. I'm advising customers to wait until the series is
completed before purchasing any RPTV.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:48 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: What's hot?

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I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
Samsung 61" DLP(tm) HDTV (HL-R6167W)
form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all the
major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that I
couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling over
my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc format
shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
"low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's home
would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
Sony models.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

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#4 Dec 9, 2005 at 11:05 pm

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When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user comments
and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same set
your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side and
I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down to
the individual.

Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of the
box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
comparing apples to apples.

I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price from
a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as the
61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm considering
selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.

In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next week
I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
world setting.

BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: What's hot?
>
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>
>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
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#5 Dec 9, 2005 at 11:12 pm

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Sounds like Sony's failure to participate was a "no brainer". It's like the
guy running for a political office, with 70% in the preference polls. He
would be crazy to want to debate with his opponent(s). If Sony won the
shoot out, no big deal for them. But if they lost to Brillian; guess what
would be a key element in Brillian's advertising for their 65" LCOS (MSRP of
$8k).

Plus, I find it humorous that the "impartial" tester knows without testing
the product that the manufacturer "knew their equipment would not perform
well enough under his scrutiny". His "subjective/non scientific" personal
opinion I presume; because I'm sure that it not what Sony told him. Like I
said in the beginning, no brainer for Sony.

Richard

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To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: What's hot?

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Anthony,
>
> Check out the LCoS shoot out series in Widescreen Review by Dr. Raymond
> Soneira, PHD. He told me Sony did not participate because they knew their
> equipment would not perform well enough under his scrutiny. The series
> appears in the November, December and January issues. He explains very
> clearly and completely why the LCoS technology holds the most potential
> for
> the best imaging. I'm advising customers to wait until the series is
> completed before purchasing any RPTV.
>
> Best regards and beautiful pictures,
> Alan Brown, President
> CinemaQuest, Inc.
> www.cinemaquestinc.com
>
> "Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: What's hot?
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLP(tm) HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
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#6 Dec 10, 2005 at 5:46 am

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You certainly may presume all you like. We all like to indulge in that at
times. I don't know for a fact that he hasn't had the opportunity to study
Sony's SXRD equipment firsthand. Apparently you do.

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>
> Sounds like Sony's failure to participate was a "no brainer". It's like the
> guy running for a political office, with 70% in the preference polls. He
> would be crazy to want to debate with his opponent(s). If Sony won the
> shoot out, no big deal for them. But if they lost to Brillian; guess what
> would be a key element in Brillian's advertising for their 65" LCOS (MSRP of
> $8k).
>
> Plus, I find it humorous that the "impartial" tester knows without testing
> the product that the manufacturer "knew their equipment would not perform
> well enough under his scrutiny". His "subjective/non scientific" personal
> opinion I presume; because I'm sure that it not what Sony told him. Like I
> said in the beginning, no brainer for Sony.
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Brown" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>
>
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> > Anthony,
> >
> > Check out the LCoS shoot out series in Widescreen Review by Dr. Raymond
> > Soneira, PHD. He told me Sony did not participate because they knew their
> > equipment would not perform well enough under his scrutiny. The series
> > appears in the November, December and January issues. He explains very
> > clearly and completely why the LCoS technology holds the most potential
> > for
> > the best imaging. I'm advising customers to wait until the series is
> > completed before purchasing any RPTV.
> >
> > Best regards and beautiful pictures,
> > Alan Brown, President
> > CinemaQuest, Inc.
> > www.cinemaquestinc.com
> >
> > "Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> > Anthony Rizzuto
> > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:48 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: What's hot?
> >
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >
> > I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> > and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> > Samsung 61" DLP(tm) HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> > form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> > and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> > the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> > the
> > major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> > I
> > couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> > stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> > over
> > my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> > format
> > shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> > "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> > home
> > would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> > wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> > recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> > Sony models.
> >
> > Anthony R.
> > Orlando, FL
> >
> >
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#7 Dec 13, 2005 at 12:00 pm

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At 10:34 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm going to go a bit farther and probably piss off some people in the
>process as usual.

Actually, Anthony, I completely agree with your sentiments regarding
the overall superiority of CRT based technology at present if you
want the absolutely best possible picture considering all the factors
(black levels, continuous versus discrete picture elements,
etc.) When someone asks me what's the "best" monitor to buy to get
the "best" picture (meaning the most accurate one) I always tell them
that if they have the space a good old HD capable CRT tube set offers
the best picture and, amazingly, the best price. The
price:performance can't be touched by anything else out there.

Unfortunately, the 300 pound monster in the corner no longer appeals
to a large segment of our "Home Theater" driven society. With the
emphasis on a BIG screen to duplicate the theatrical experience, a
CRT tube has limitations as far as size is concerned. People want
42"+ at a minimum, and CRT tubes of that size are not only
prohibitively expensive but extremely impractical for a number of
reasons that we all know about (weight, manufacturing, transporting,
servicing, $$$, etc.) I remember the 40" CRTs of a few years ago
being the absolute limit of the technology for mere mortals.

Ironically, trying to replicate a Theater at home actually supports
proponents of both camps, "CRTers" and "digitizers" (to use an old
word in a new context to describe those of the LCD, Plasma, DLP, LCOS
generation <g>). On the one hand, film is an analog medium and, as
such, will always be more continuous with infinite shades of tone and
color than any digital format, no matter how resolved the 1s and 0s
are. This argument of discrete versus continuous will always be with
us and is not something new. I still find an occasional skirmish
with those who argue the virtues of "Vinyl vs. CDs and company". And
on the other hand, those who tout "Black Level" as being important to
the theatrical experience sometimes forget that film black levels are
not close to absolute darkness because of the nature of film
itself. Just about any of the "modern" technologies is capable of
achieving the black level that you find even at a well-tuned
cinema. The on-going argument regarding black levels of various
display technologies is mostly an exercise in theoretical rather than
practical limits.

On a personal level, I have made choices over the years that temper
theory with practice. When CDs were introduced I bought them for the
convenience and dynamic range they offered (not to mention leaving
hiss and scratches in the dust.) When I was planning my HT almost a
decade ago I opted to go for one of the newer technologies (a Sony
VW10HT LCD FP at the time) because the 200 lb. brick on the ceiling
that needed constant tweaking wasn't practical to me. I've since
upgraded to a DLP Runco and I'm sure that it's just a matter of time
before a 1080p (or better) model will replace this capable 720p
unit. When my trusty old Sony XBR 27" CRT began to show it's age (18
years and counting) not to mention not being HD compliant (to keep
this response on task) I took it down from it's lofty perch in the
bedroom and now a 37" Panasonic Plasma set has taken its
place. Finally, my 16 year old CRT based RPM (Pioneer Elite 45"
Pro75) is also now a little rough around the edges (also "HD
challenged") and in a week or so will be replaced with an HP MD5880n
58" DLP 1080p set (with 1080p input capability) for my "normal" TV
viewing. The Pioneer will serve out its remaining days at the house
of some of my grandkids where I'm sure it will be appreciated for a
long time. In other words, during the past six months (thank you,
CEDIA! <g>) my house has made a major transition from CRT-based
technology to the Dreaded Digital Domain ("DDD" -remember that term
from the early days of CDs?).

So no, I don't consider you to be a Luddite for your comments and
fully understand where you are coming from, Anthony. You are
entitled to choose whichever visual path you wish to take. For
myself, while I understand your position (and I still maintain my
vinyl collection) I've made some compromises with theory that
realistically serve me extremely well. In fact, with my 63 year old
eyes and ears, nature has probably become the great equalizer in this
equation. Happy Holidays!

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#8 Dec 13, 2005 at 2:02 pm

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Well Bob,

They delivered the 61" Samsung to his home on Saturday. The Geometry was
way off. The information on the left and right sides of the screen were cut
off. Of course I checked to make sure that the cable box and set were on 16
x 9. To me the thing is butt ugly. I called Circuit City immediately and
they are bringing his new set this week, probably Thursday. I saw something
on one of the HD channels I've never seen before. The picture went from
normal to a bunch of rings. It looked like soap bubbles that had been
popped. I only saw this happen once but it was very bizarre to say the
least. I have no idea what would have caused that. All I know is I'm glad
I'm not going to be in the market for sometime for a new television. It
would make me sick to shell out 3k or more for some of the displays that are
currently on sale. I watched "Polar Express" in 480P on my Diamond last
night and could not believe how good it looked. It appeared as though you
could crawl right into the picture it was so realistic. I know I'm a
curmudgeon but I still say, "Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Anthony R.
Orlando,FL

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Bob Mankin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:06 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

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When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user comments
and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same set
your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side and
I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down to
the individual.

Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of the
box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
comparing apples to apples.

I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price from
a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as the
61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm considering
selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.

In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next week
I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
world setting.

BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: What's hot?
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
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#9 Dec 13, 2005 at 2:21 pm

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Anthony,

I was supposed to work on one of the HL-Rxxxx Samsung DLPs a couple of weeks
ago, but had to abort the session when I discovered that a portion of the
picture was missing at the bottom. In fact, it was there and very faint, but
it was also somewhat distorted.

Odd thing is the customer had lived with the set for a few weeks and never
noticed the problem (and fortunately he never left the room while I was
setting up, so there wasn't any suggestion that I caused it).

Turns out that the problem was a bad lens. It sounds like you might be
seeing a variation on the same thing with the set that was recently
delivered.

FWIW, the retailer replaced the set with the bad lens and over the weekend I
calibrated the replacement. It turned out looking very good.

Regards,

Doug
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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:02
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Well Bob,

They delivered the 61" Samsung to his home on Saturday. The Geometry was
way off. The information on the left and right sides of the screen were cut
off. Of course I checked to make sure that the cable box and set were on 16
x 9. To me the thing is butt ugly. I called Circuit City immediately and
they are bringing his new set this week, probably Thursday. I saw something
on one of the HD channels I've never seen before. The picture went from
normal to a bunch of rings. It looked like soap bubbles that had been
popped. I only saw this happen once but it was very bizarre to say the
least. I have no idea what would have caused that. All I know is I'm glad
I'm not going to be in the market for sometime for a new television. It
would make me sick to shell out 3k or more for some of the displays that are
currently on sale. I watched "Polar Express" in 480P on my Diamond last
night and could not believe how good it looked. It appeared as though you
could crawl right into the picture it was so realistic. I know I'm a
curmudgeon but I still say, "Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Anthony R.
Orlando,FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:06 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user comments
and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same set
your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side and
I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down to
the individual.

Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of the
box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
comparing apples to apples.

I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price from
a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as the
61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm considering
selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.

In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next week
I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
world setting.

BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: What's hot?
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
>
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#10 Dec 13, 2005 at 2:30 pm

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I hope so Doug. Are these things that subject to damage in shipping?

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Doug Weil
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:21 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

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Anthony,

I was supposed to work on one of the HL-Rxxxx Samsung DLPs a couple of weeks
ago, but had to abort the session when I discovered that a portion of the
picture was missing at the bottom. In fact, it was there and very faint, but
it was also somewhat distorted.

Odd thing is the customer had lived with the set for a few weeks and never
noticed the problem (and fortunately he never left the room while I was
setting up, so there wasn't any suggestion that I caused it).

Turns out that the problem was a bad lens. It sounds like you might be
seeing a variation on the same thing with the set that was recently
delivered.

FWIW, the retailer replaced the set with the bad lens and over the weekend I
calibrated the replacement. It turned out looking very good.

Regards,

Doug
Clearly Resolved Image & Sound

Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993

eMail: [email protected]
Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:02
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Well Bob,

They delivered the 61" Samsung to his home on Saturday. The Geometry was
way off. The information on the left and right sides of the screen were cut
off. Of course I checked to make sure that the cable box and set were on 16
x 9. To me the thing is butt ugly. I called Circuit City immediately and
they are bringing his new set this week, probably Thursday. I saw something
on one of the HD channels I've never seen before. The picture went from
normal to a bunch of rings. It looked like soap bubbles that had been
popped. I only saw this happen once but it was very bizarre to say the
least. I have no idea what would have caused that. All I know is I'm glad
I'm not going to be in the market for sometime for a new television. It
would make me sick to shell out 3k or more for some of the displays that are
currently on sale. I watched "Polar Express" in 480P on my Diamond last
night and could not believe how good it looked. It appeared as though you
could crawl right into the picture it was so realistic. I know I'm a
curmudgeon but I still say, "Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Anthony R.
Orlando,FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:06 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user comments
and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same set
your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side and
I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down to
the individual.

Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of the
box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
comparing apples to apples.

I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price from
a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as the
61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm considering
selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.

In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next week
I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
world setting.

BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: What's hot?
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
>
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#11 Dec 13, 2005 at 2:56 pm

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I'm not sure about whether the lens was damaged in shipping or if it was
defective to begin with.

You would think that quality control would catch this sort of thing, but
then the customer didn't notice it either until I pointed it out...

Regards,

Doug
Clearly Resolved Image & Sound

Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993

eMail: [email protected]
Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:30
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

I hope so Doug. Are these things that subject to damage in shipping?

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Doug Weil
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:21 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Anthony,

I was supposed to work on one of the HL-Rxxxx Samsung DLPs a couple of weeks
ago, but had to abort the session when I discovered that a portion of the
picture was missing at the bottom. In fact, it was there and very faint, but
it was also somewhat distorted.

Odd thing is the customer had lived with the set for a few weeks and never
noticed the problem (and fortunately he never left the room while I was
setting up, so there wasn't any suggestion that I caused it).

Turns out that the problem was a bad lens. It sounds like you might be
seeing a variation on the same thing with the set that was recently
delivered.

FWIW, the retailer replaced the set with the bad lens and over the weekend I
calibrated the replacement. It turned out looking very good.

Regards,

Doug
Clearly Resolved Image & Sound

Business: +1 (618) 234-2865
Cell: +1 (314) 495-2993

eMail: [email protected]
Web: http://www.clearlyresolved.com

Affiliated with the Imaging Science Foundation
http://www.imagingscience.com

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:02
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Well Bob,

They delivered the 61" Samsung to his home on Saturday. The Geometry was
way off. The information on the left and right sides of the screen were cut
off. Of course I checked to make sure that the cable box and set were on 16
x 9. To me the thing is butt ugly. I called Circuit City immediately and
they are bringing his new set this week, probably Thursday. I saw something
on one of the HD channels I've never seen before. The picture went from
normal to a bunch of rings. It looked like soap bubbles that had been
popped. I only saw this happen once but it was very bizarre to say the
least. I have no idea what would have caused that. All I know is I'm glad
I'm not going to be in the market for sometime for a new television. It
would make me sick to shell out 3k or more for some of the displays that are
currently on sale. I watched "Polar Express" in 480P on my Diamond last
night and could not believe how good it looked. It appeared as though you
could crawl right into the picture it was so realistic. I know I'm a
curmudgeon but I still say, "Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Anthony R.
Orlando,FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:06 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user comments
and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same set
your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side and
I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down to
the individual.

Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of the
box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
comparing apples to apples.

I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price from
a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as the
61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm considering
selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.

In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next week
I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
world setting.

BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: What's hot?
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
>
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#12 Dec 13, 2005 at 3:02 pm

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"Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Well put. NO WAY I'd trade my 3+ year old ISF-calibrated rear projection
Sony CRT for the crap out there on the market right now. Seems all I read
about is "screen-door effects", "rainbows", "near-blacks" and 1080p sets
that don't accept 1080p signals. Glad I'm not in the market for a TV!

Bill T.

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:02 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Well Bob,

They delivered the 61" Samsung to his home on Saturday. The Geometry was
way off. The information on the left and right sides of the screen were cut
off. Of course I checked to make sure that the cable box and set were on 16
x 9. To me the thing is butt ugly. I called Circuit City immediately and
they are bringing his new set this week, probably Thursday. I saw something
on one of the HD channels I've never seen before. The picture went from
normal to a bunch of rings. It looked like soap bubbles that had been
popped. I only saw this happen once but it was very bizarre to say the
least. I have no idea what would have caused that. All I know is I'm glad
I'm not going to be in the market for sometime for a new television. It
would make me sick to shell out 3k or more for some of the displays that are
currently on sale. I watched "Polar Express" in 480P on my Diamond last
night and could not believe how good it looked. It appeared as though you
could crawl right into the picture it was so realistic. I know I'm a
curmudgeon but I still say, "Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Anthony R.
Orlando,FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:06 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user comments
and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same set
your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side and
I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down to
the individual.

Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of the
box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
comparing apples to apples.

I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price from
a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as the
61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm considering
selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.

In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next week
I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
world setting.

BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: What's hot?
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
>
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#13 Dec 13, 2005 at 3:05 pm

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Glad to find a brother in arms.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bill Tilghman
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:03 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

"Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Well put. NO WAY I'd trade my 3+ year old ISF-calibrated rear projection
Sony CRT for the crap out there on the market right now. Seems all I read
about is "screen-door effects", "rainbows", "near-blacks" and 1080p sets
that don't accept 1080p signals. Glad I'm not in the market for a TV!

Bill T.

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Anthony Rizzuto
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:02 AM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

Well Bob,

They delivered the 61" Samsung to his home on Saturday. The Geometry was
way off. The information on the left and right sides of the screen were cut
off. Of course I checked to make sure that the cable box and set were on 16
x 9. To me the thing is butt ugly. I called Circuit City immediately and
they are bringing his new set this week, probably Thursday. I saw something
on one of the HD channels I've never seen before. The picture went from
normal to a bunch of rings. It looked like soap bubbles that had been
popped. I only saw this happen once but it was very bizarre to say the
least. I have no idea what would have caused that. All I know is I'm glad
I'm not going to be in the market for sometime for a new television. It
would make me sick to shell out 3k or more for some of the displays that are
currently on sale. I watched "Polar Express" in 480P on my Diamond last
night and could not believe how good it looked. It appeared as though you
could crawl right into the picture it was so realistic. I know I'm a
curmudgeon but I still say, "Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Anthony R.
Orlando,FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:06 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user comments
and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same set
your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side and
I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down to
the individual.

Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of the
box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
comparing apples to apples.

I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price from
a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as the
61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm considering
selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.

In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next week
I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
world setting.

BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
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>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
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#14 Dec 13, 2005 at 3:34 pm

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I'm going to go a bit farther and probably piss off some people in the
process as usual. All I've heard for the last three years is digital is the
way to go because it's superior to analog when using HDMI or DVI connections
and it will certainly be better when the hd disc formats emerge because
everything, meaning the signals will be kept in the digital realm. Well, if
digital can't produce simple good looking blacks, is loaded with artifacts,
can't accurately reproduce colors because of the "black factor" the what in
the hell good is it. I've seen the SXRDs, the Qualias (sp) etc and I have
not been impressed with any of it. I have not seen anything that has made
my jaw drop and fill me with a desire to open my check book. Somewhere in
the rush towards new technology and reducing the size of television
footprints they've lost sight of the most important thing, picture quality.

On a separate note,

I feel for anyone in the field that is dealing with the average consumer as
ninety percent of them are absolutely clueless. Between my friend and his
brother who both purchased I have been inundated with some interesting
questions. One in particular is probably symptomatic of the public at
large. "So am I going to have bars on the sides on the stations that aren't
HD?". It is amazing to me how few people understand that. I agree with
them that it is annoying. The simple solution is just to hook up the S feed
from the cable box and switch to s when you're not watching HD. Then all
you have to deal with is squashed without bars. That is what I've done in
my own systems. The other way is to expand the picture using the remote on
the cable box or the television itself. The problem with the latter method
is remembering to switch the expansion off when you are back on an HD
channel. Joe six-pack can barely figure out how to turn this stuff on let
alone switching inputs or expansion on and off. I predict more unhappy
consumers than ever this holiday season.

Anthony R.
Orlando,FL
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Bill Tilghman
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:03 AM
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Subject: Re: What's hot?

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"Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Well put. NO WAY I'd trade my 3+ year old ISF-calibrated rear projection
Sony CRT for the crap out there on the market right now. Seems all I read
about is "screen-door effects", "rainbows", "near-blacks" and 1080p sets
that don't accept 1080p signals. Glad I'm not in the market for a TV!

Bill T.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:02 AM
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Well Bob,

They delivered the 61" Samsung to his home on Saturday. The Geometry was
way off. The information on the left and right sides of the screen were cut
off. Of course I checked to make sure that the cable box and set were on 16
x 9. To me the thing is butt ugly. I called Circuit City immediately and
they are bringing his new set this week, probably Thursday. I saw something
on one of the HD channels I've never seen before. The picture went from
normal to a bunch of rings. It looked like soap bubbles that had been
popped. I only saw this happen once but it was very bizarre to say the
least. I have no idea what would have caused that. All I know is I'm glad
I'm not going to be in the market for sometime for a new television. It
would make me sick to shell out 3k or more for some of the displays that are
currently on sale. I watched "Polar Express" in 480P on my Diamond last
night and could not believe how good it looked. It appeared as though you
could crawl right into the picture it was so realistic. I know I'm a
curmudgeon but I still say, "Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

Anthony R.
Orlando,FL

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From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Bob Mankin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:06 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

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When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user comments
and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same set
your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side and
I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down to
the individual.

Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of the
box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
comparing apples to apples.

I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price from
a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as the
61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm considering
selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.

In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next week
I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
world setting.

BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: What's hot?
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
>
> I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was bound
> and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying a
> Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year warranty
> and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really hate
> the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> the
> major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there that
> I
> couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> over
> my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> format
> shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw the
> "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> home
> would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who have
> recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and 13k
> Sony models.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
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#15 Dec 13, 2005 at 4:18 pm

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Sounds like a bad light engine. I have a similar problem with the out of box
5688. Have one ordered and the tech will probably install it on Friday. The
internals on these are very modular. The light engine takes up about 3/4 of
the internals. The 5688 is a big set with the integrated pedestal, so I can
see one of these getting bounced around and perhaps damaged. When the
picture works correctly, it's pretty darn good and I haven't even messed
with the service menu yet. I caught some of a NBA game on INHD2 via cable
card the first night.

Hey, it was $1k for a $5k list set(July '05 build date) and the time I've
spent waiting for the Sammy guys to make the service call. I give the
Samsung folks big thumbs up for their service side.

BTW, I asked the tech about failures on parts like this. He guessed it at
about 3%. Don't know what to compare that to and he probably doesn't see
anything that is swapped by the stores. Following the long avsforum thread,
I don't get the feeling the return/defective rate is much different than any
other set, including CRTs.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Anthony Rizzuto
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:02 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> Well Bob,
>
> They delivered the 61" Samsung to his home on Saturday. The Geometry was
> way off. The information on the left and right sides of the screen were
> cut
> off. Of course I checked to make sure that the cable box and set were on
> 16
> x 9. To me the thing is butt ugly. I called Circuit City immediately and
> they are bringing his new set this week, probably Thursday. I saw
> something
> on one of the HD channels I've never seen before. The picture went from
> normal to a bunch of rings. It looked like soap bubbles that had been
> popped. I only saw this happen once but it was very bizarre to say the
> least. I have no idea what would have caused that. All I know is I'm
> glad
> I'm not going to be in the market for sometime for a new television. It
> would make me sick to shell out 3k or more for some of the displays that
> are
> currently on sale. I watched "Polar Express" in 480P on my Diamond last
> night and could not believe how good it looked. It appeared as though you
> could crawl right into the picture it was so realistic. I know I'm a
> curmudgeon but I still say, "Give me CRT or give me death"! ;-)

>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando,FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Bob Mankin
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:06 PM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> When I was shopping I felt most of the displays in the stores were pretty
> sketchy. But I had an idea going in I wanted DLP based on end user
> comments
> and industry reviews. I ended up with the current year model of the same
> set
> your friend bought. I've seen the 720P and the 1080P models side by side
> and
> I can tell the difference. Whether it's worth the $800 premium comes down
> to
> the individual.
>
> Since most, if not all of the sets in a given store are straight out of
> the
> box with no tweaking, you have to assume the manufacturers are shipping
> these with reasonably close settings. If you take that approach you're
> comparing apples to apples.
>
> I agree the silver trend is not good. Mine has the silver speakers on the
> bottom. I recently snagged a HL-R5688W for an absolute steal of a price
> from
> a vendor closing their doors. Same basic light engine and electronics as
> the
> 61" I'm told. Much, much better aesthetics. So much so that I'm
> considering
> selling my 61" which I just had calibrated and keeping the 56". With the
> matching glass stand it's much more WAF friendly.
>
> In the same fire sale as the 56" I also picked up an HP 42" plasma. Not a
> plasma fan, but they were almost paying me to take this one away :-)

I
> quickly rigged up a DVD player to find out the set marked "defective" is
> only dark because it doesn't display anything without a signal. So next
> week
> I plan to set the plasma up side-by-side with the DLP, tweak to my heart's
> content to get some adjusted set comparisons and I get to do it in a real
> world setting.
>
> BTW, the HLR series of the Samsung can take 1080P via the VGA port.
>
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
> Of
> > Anthony Rizzuto
> > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> > To: HDTV Magazine
> > Subject: What's hot?
> >
> > ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
> >
> >
> > I've been shoping with my neighbor over the past two weeks. He was
> bound
> > and determined to purchase an HD set for Christmas. He ended up buying
> a
> > Samsung 61" DLPT HDTV (HL-R6167W)
> > form Circuit City for 3,100.00. Tax, delivery, stand, four year
> warranty
> > and cables brought it to 4700.00 It's a nice looking set. I really
> hate
> > the silver craze that most manufacturers seem to be on. We went to all
> > the
> > major stores and a few private ones. There isn't one thing out there
> that
> > I
> > couldn't live without. Truthfully the majority of the displays in the
> > stores we visited looked terrible. I think I'm going to end up rolling
> > over
> > my cds for a couple of years until we find out which way some HD disc
> > format
> > shakes out and we know which things are going with real 1080p. I saw
> the
> > "low end" SXRDs. They looked OK. I'm sure that a new unit in somone's
> > home
> > would look a damn sight better, particularly if it was calibrated. Just
> > wondering among those of you who are looking to purchase or those who
> have
> > recently purchased what you consider hot, that is short of the 10 and
> 13k
> > Sony models.
> >
> > Anthony R.
> > Orlando, FL
> >
> >
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#16 Dec 13, 2005 at 5:36 pm

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I like you Dr. Fowkes. You are a very honest man and I completely
understand why you are going to DDD. I would never fault anyone for doing
so. This is a path I choose not to go down until I have absolutely no
choice and also until things shake out regarding true 1080P. As much as I
would like to see 1080P in one of the new hd disc formats, I hope for the
sake of consumers that this is not the case as so many have purchased HD
sets this year. It would be bad for the industry in the long run for those
who just purchased an HD set for 3k plus to find out that they can't get the
most out of it (meaning 1080P) because it is incompatible with the new
technology meaning Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Word of mouth on that would do a lot
of harm to the industry as a whole I believe. I wish I had a crystal ball
so I could see what the manufacturers are going to do. I ran into a sales
person on Sat at a high end store that is privately owned and was told that
the broadcast industry would never go to 1080P because the standard was set
in stone. As far as I know that is unmitigated bs, but someone please
correct me if I'm wrong.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:01 AM
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Subject: Re: What's hot?

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At 10:34 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm going to go a bit farther and probably piss off some people in the
>process as usual.

Actually, Anthony, I completely agree with your sentiments regarding
the overall superiority of CRT based technology at present if you
want the absolutely best possible picture considering all the factors
(black levels, continuous versus discrete picture elements,
etc.) When someone asks me what's the "best" monitor to buy to get
the "best" picture (meaning the most accurate one) I always tell them
that if they have the space a good old HD capable CRT tube set offers
the best picture and, amazingly, the best price. The
price:performance can't be touched by anything else out there.

Unfortunately, the 300 pound monster in the corner no longer appeals
to a large segment of our "Home Theater" driven society. With the
emphasis on a BIG screen to duplicate the theatrical experience, a
CRT tube has limitations as far as size is concerned. People want
42"+ at a minimum, and CRT tubes of that size are not only
prohibitively expensive but extremely impractical for a number of
reasons that we all know about (weight, manufacturing, transporting,
servicing, $$$, etc.) I remember the 40" CRTs of a few years ago
being the absolute limit of the technology for mere mortals.

Ironically, trying to replicate a Theater at home actually supports
proponents of both camps, "CRTers" and "digitizers" (to use an old
word in a new context to describe those of the LCD, Plasma, DLP, LCOS
generation <g>). On the one hand, film is an analog medium and, as
such, will always be more continuous with infinite shades of tone and
color than any digital format, no matter how resolved the 1s and 0s
are. This argument of discrete versus continuous will always be with
us and is not something new. I still find an occasional skirmish
with those who argue the virtues of "Vinyl vs. CDs and company". And
on the other hand, those who tout "Black Level" as being important to
the theatrical experience sometimes forget that film black levels are
not close to absolute darkness because of the nature of film
itself. Just about any of the "modern" technologies is capable of
achieving the black level that you find even at a well-tuned
cinema. The on-going argument regarding black levels of various
display technologies is mostly an exercise in theoretical rather than
practical limits.

On a personal level, I have made choices over the years that temper
theory with practice. When CDs were introduced I bought them for the
convenience and dynamic range they offered (not to mention leaving
hiss and scratches in the dust.) When I was planning my HT almost a
decade ago I opted to go for one of the newer technologies (a Sony
VW10HT LCD FP at the time) because the 200 lb. brick on the ceiling
that needed constant tweaking wasn't practical to me. I've since
upgraded to a DLP Runco and I'm sure that it's just a matter of time
before a 1080p (or better) model will replace this capable 720p
unit. When my trusty old Sony XBR 27" CRT began to show it's age (18
years and counting) not to mention not being HD compliant (to keep
this response on task) I took it down from it's lofty perch in the
bedroom and now a 37" Panasonic Plasma set has taken its
place. Finally, my 16 year old CRT based RPM (Pioneer Elite 45"
Pro75) is also now a little rough around the edges (also "HD
challenged") and in a week or so will be replaced with an HP MD5880n
58" DLP 1080p set (with 1080p input capability) for my "normal" TV
viewing. The Pioneer will serve out its remaining days at the house
of some of my grandkids where I'm sure it will be appreciated for a
long time. In other words, during the past six months (thank you,
CEDIA! <g>) my house has made a major transition from CRT-based
technology to the Dreaded Digital Domain ("DDD" -remember that term
from the early days of CDs?).

So no, I don't consider you to be a Luddite for your comments and
fully understand where you are coming from, Anthony. You are
entitled to choose whichever visual path you wish to take. For
myself, while I understand your position (and I still maintain my
vinyl collection) I've made some compromises with theory that
realistically serve me extremely well. In fact, with my 63 year old
eyes and ears, nature has probably become the great equalizer in this
equation. Happy Holidays!

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#17 Dec 13, 2005 at 6:24 pm

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At 12:36 PM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>This is a path I choose not to go down until I have absolutely no
>choice and also until things shake out regarding true 1080P.

Anthony, I fully respect your position in this and know that you are
doing what you believe is best for you. Everyone should be allowed
to choose for themselves how they wish to view and listen to the
various media out there whether it be analog, digital, mono, pure two
channel, 5.1, 7.1, or even just two tin canes connected with a piece
of string. <g>

I, like you, don't appreciate being told by others what we should or
should not like. Different strokes for different folks. Quality is
in the eyes (and ears) of the beholder and this is a highly
individualized situation. Sometimes "experts" get a bit carried away
and they confuse the issues, especially when the average person often
doesn't know a lot of the terminology and technology involved. Just
look at all the confusion regarding "HD capable" and "HD ready" among
a lot of other stuff. We all know that a lot of folks out there who
purchased HD sets (and others who think they have HD sets when they
really have ED sets - if that!) think that they are watching HD when
they view DVDs on their new sets. And don't get me started about
aspect ratios and filling the screen to eliminate "those black bars."

A lot of salespeople out there compound the situation with either
faulty or just plain misleading information. I'm constantly amazed
by war stories I hear from the trenches. (Actually, by this point it
doesn't surprise me any more.) People like you, Rudolfo, Dale and
many, many others on this great little list do our best to promote
clarity, but it's an uphill battle.

On the 1080p front, Rudolfo pegged it when he noted that most of the
1080p sets out there don't accept native 1080p signals at this
point. And the party line of many manufacturers, "Well, there just
isn't that much 1080p content out there right now" really begs the
issue since we all know that it's on its way eventually. Besides,
when 1080p content does proliferate does it make sense to have to
down scale it to 1080i and then let the set upscale it again?!? Why
not have 1080p throughput from the start. Also, while I'm fairly
confident that the current 1080p sets (which do not offer 1080p
native input readily) probably have respectable scaling capabilities
I'm also confident that better scalers will come along. If you lock
into a 1080p set that only upscales to 1080p you lock in to today's
technology. A lot of things at CEDIA impressed me about the new HP
line of 1080p monitors (especially the picture) and the fact that it
offers 1080p input made me confident enough to buy one. Yes, HP is
relatively new to the consumer TV side of things but that doesn't
dissuade me. After all, they've made monitors for computers for
years and most computer manufacturers like Dell, among others, have
discovered that the TV market is more lucrative than the computer
side of things. Besides, HP isn't exactly a spectator in this
technology. "Wobulation" is actually their invention even though TI
holds the patents on DLP.

I actually received the stand for my new monitor from HP the other
day and assembled it (very easy job). The quality of the
construction and the packaging makes me feel confident that my set
will arrive in good condition as well. In other words, I'm not
apprehensive about being a "bleeding edger." That's one of the fun
things about our common affliction.

-- RAF

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#18 Dec 13, 2005 at 7:03 pm

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One of the "experts" may correct me; but as I understand the issue, 1080P/60
(which most are talking about when saying the current sets won't accept
1080P) is not in the broadcasting "standard". However, 1080P/24 and
1080P/30 are in the standards. Believe Blu-Ray will "store" data at
1080P/24; but initial models will output at 1080i. Most expect later
versions of Blu-Ray will also output at 1080P/24. Blu-Ray standard does not
currently include 1080P/60, which makes sense since it is primarily a PC
format anyway. HD-DVD current specs are only for 1080i. Haven't read where
anyone expects broadcasting to go to 1080P/60 (advantage over 1080P/24
limited to very fast moving video and it requires twice the bandwidth) but
some think it could go to 1080P/24/30 which really doesn't include any more
information than 1080i (it is just deinterlaced). Primary use for 1080P/60
will be for games (maybe a few) and "computer monitor" functions.

Current "1080P" sets are pretty much dependent upon the quality of the
deinterlacing for 1080i. Most deinterlace to 540P and then scale to 1080i
(obviously losing resolution). Some (including Brillian and Sony SXRD's)
deinterlace 1080i to 1080P and therefore do not lose resolution. The
technical threads on AVS say both the Brillian and Sony also do motion
adaptive deinterlacing, and that the Sonys (Qualias, Ruby, and SXRD's) also
do reverse-telecine.

Richard

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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: What's hot?

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I like you Dr. Fowkes. You are a very honest man and I completely
> understand why you are going to DDD. I would never fault anyone for doing
> so. This is a path I choose not to go down until I have absolutely no
> choice and also until things shake out regarding true 1080P. As much as I
> would like to see 1080P in one of the new hd disc formats, I hope for the
> sake of consumers that this is not the case as so many have purchased HD
> sets this year. It would be bad for the industry in the long run for those
> who just purchased an HD set for 3k plus to find out that they can't get
> the
> most out of it (meaning 1080P) because it is incompatible with the new
> technology meaning Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Word of mouth on that would do a
> lot
> of harm to the industry as a whole I believe. I wish I had a crystal ball
> so I could see what the manufacturers are going to do. I ran into a sales
> person on Sat at a high end store that is privately owned and was told
> that
> the broadcast industry would never go to 1080P because the standard was
> set
> in stone. As far as I know that is unmitigated bs, but someone please
> correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Dr Robert A Fowkes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:01 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> At 10:34 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>I'm going to go a bit farther and probably piss off some people in the
>>process as usual.
>
> Actually, Anthony, I completely agree with your sentiments regarding
> the overall superiority of CRT based technology at present if you
> want the absolutely best possible picture considering all the factors
> (black levels, continuous versus discrete picture elements,
> etc.) When someone asks me what's the "best" monitor to buy to get
> the "best" picture (meaning the most accurate one) I always tell them
> that if they have the space a good old HD capable CRT tube set offers
> the best picture and, amazingly, the best price. The
> price:performance can't be touched by anything else out there.
>
> Unfortunately, the 300 pound monster in the corner no longer appeals
> to a large segment of our "Home Theater" driven society. With the
> emphasis on a BIG screen to duplicate the theatrical experience, a
> CRT tube has limitations as far as size is concerned. People want
> 42"+ at a minimum, and CRT tubes of that size are not only
> prohibitively expensive but extremely impractical for a number of
> reasons that we all know about (weight, manufacturing, transporting,
> servicing, $$$, etc.) I remember the 40" CRTs of a few years ago
> being the absolute limit of the technology for mere mortals.
>
> Ironically, trying to replicate a Theater at home actually supports
> proponents of both camps, "CRTers" and "digitizers" (to use an old
> word in a new context to describe those of the LCD, Plasma, DLP, LCOS
> generation <g>). On the one hand, film is an analog medium and, as
> such, will always be more continuous with infinite shades of tone and
> color than any digital format, no matter how resolved the 1s and 0s
> are. This argument of discrete versus continuous will always be with
> us and is not something new. I still find an occasional skirmish
> with those who argue the virtues of "Vinyl vs. CDs and company". And
> on the other hand, those who tout "Black Level" as being important to
> the theatrical experience sometimes forget that film black levels are
> not close to absolute darkness because of the nature of film
> itself. Just about any of the "modern" technologies is capable of
> achieving the black level that you find even at a well-tuned
> cinema. The on-going argument regarding black levels of various
> display technologies is mostly an exercise in theoretical rather than
> practical limits.
>
> On a personal level, I have made choices over the years that temper
> theory with practice. When CDs were introduced I bought them for the
> convenience and dynamic range they offered (not to mention leaving
> hiss and scratches in the dust.) When I was planning my HT almost a
> decade ago I opted to go for one of the newer technologies (a Sony
> VW10HT LCD FP at the time) because the 200 lb. brick on the ceiling
> that needed constant tweaking wasn't practical to me. I've since
> upgraded to a DLP Runco and I'm sure that it's just a matter of time
> before a 1080p (or better) model will replace this capable 720p
> unit. When my trusty old Sony XBR 27" CRT began to show it's age (18
> years and counting) not to mention not being HD compliant (to keep
> this response on task) I took it down from it's lofty perch in the
> bedroom and now a 37" Panasonic Plasma set has taken its
> place. Finally, my 16 year old CRT based RPM (Pioneer Elite 45"
> Pro75) is also now a little rough around the edges (also "HD
> challenged") and in a week or so will be replaced with an HP MD5880n
> 58" DLP 1080p set (with 1080p input capability) for my "normal" TV
> viewing. The Pioneer will serve out its remaining days at the house
> of some of my grandkids where I'm sure it will be appreciated for a
> long time. In other words, during the past six months (thank you,
> CEDIA! <g>) my house has made a major transition from CRT-based
> technology to the Dreaded Digital Domain ("DDD" -remember that term
> from the early days of CDs?).
>
> So no, I don't consider you to be a Luddite for your comments and
> fully understand where you are coming from, Anthony. You are
> entitled to choose whichever visual path you wish to take. For
> myself, while I understand your position (and I still maintain my
> vinyl collection) I've made some compromises with theory that
> realistically serve me extremely well. In fact, with my 63 year old
> eyes and ears, nature has probably become the great equalizer in this
> equation. Happy Holidays!
>
>
> -- RAF
>
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#19 Dec 13, 2005 at 7:28 pm

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"the Brillian and Sony also do motion adaptive deinterlacing, and that the
Sonys (Qualias, Ruby, and SXRD's) also do reverse-telecine." The
capabilities of these displays are impressive, but for me cost prohibitive.
Could I afford one yes. Do I really feel like shelling out 5k or 10k plus
to have this technology today? No I do not. For the moment, for me, it will
be wait and see.

Anthony R.
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Richard and Carrie Bray
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:03 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

One of the "experts" may correct me; but as I understand the issue, 1080P/60
(which most are talking about when saying the current sets won't accept
1080P) is not in the broadcasting "standard". However, 1080P/24 and
1080P/30 are in the standards. Believe Blu-Ray will "store" data at
1080P/24; but initial models will output at 1080i. Most expect later
versions of Blu-Ray will also output at 1080P/24. Blu-Ray standard does not
currently include 1080P/60, which makes sense since it is primarily a PC
format anyway. HD-DVD current specs are only for 1080i. Haven't read where
anyone expects broadcasting to go to 1080P/60 (advantage over 1080P/24
limited to very fast moving video and it requires twice the bandwidth) but
some think it could go to 1080P/24/30 which really doesn't include any more
information than 1080i (it is just deinterlaced). Primary use for 1080P/60
will be for games (maybe a few) and "computer monitor" functions.

Current "1080P" sets are pretty much dependent upon the quality of the
deinterlacing for 1080i. Most deinterlace to 540P and then scale to 1080i
(obviously losing resolution). Some (including Brillian and Sony SXRD's)
deinterlace 1080i to 1080P and therefore do not lose resolution. The
technical threads on AVS say both the Brillian and Sony also do motion
adaptive deinterlacing, and that the Sonys (Qualias, Ruby, and SXRD's) also
do reverse-telecine.

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: What's hot?

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> I like you Dr. Fowkes. You are a very honest man and I completely
> understand why you are going to DDD. I would never fault anyone for doing
> so. This is a path I choose not to go down until I have absolutely no
> choice and also until things shake out regarding true 1080P. As much as I
> would like to see 1080P in one of the new hd disc formats, I hope for the
> sake of consumers that this is not the case as so many have purchased HD
> sets this year. It would be bad for the industry in the long run for those
> who just purchased an HD set for 3k plus to find out that they can't get
> the
> most out of it (meaning 1080P) because it is incompatible with the new
> technology meaning Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Word of mouth on that would do a
> lot
> of harm to the industry as a whole I believe. I wish I had a crystal ball
> so I could see what the manufacturers are going to do. I ran into a sales
> person on Sat at a high end store that is privately owned and was told
> that
> the broadcast industry would never go to 1080P because the standard was
> set
> in stone. As far as I know that is unmitigated bs, but someone please
> correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Anthony R.
> Orlando, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Dr Robert A Fowkes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:01 AM
> To: HDTV Magazine
> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>
>
> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> At 10:34 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>I'm going to go a bit farther and probably piss off some people in the
>>process as usual.
>
> Actually, Anthony, I completely agree with your sentiments regarding
> the overall superiority of CRT based technology at present if you
> want the absolutely best possible picture considering all the factors
> (black levels, continuous versus discrete picture elements,
> etc.) When someone asks me what's the "best" monitor to buy to get
> the "best" picture (meaning the most accurate one) I always tell them
> that if they have the space a good old HD capable CRT tube set offers
> the best picture and, amazingly, the best price. The
> price:performance can't be touched by anything else out there.
>
> Unfortunately, the 300 pound monster in the corner no longer appeals
> to a large segment of our "Home Theater" driven society. With the
> emphasis on a BIG screen to duplicate the theatrical experience, a
> CRT tube has limitations as far as size is concerned. People want
> 42"+ at a minimum, and CRT tubes of that size are not only
> prohibitively expensive but extremely impractical for a number of
> reasons that we all know about (weight, manufacturing, transporting,
> servicing, $$$, etc.) I remember the 40" CRTs of a few years ago
> being the absolute limit of the technology for mere mortals.
>
> Ironically, trying to replicate a Theater at home actually supports
> proponents of both camps, "CRTers" and "digitizers" (to use an old
> word in a new context to describe those of the LCD, Plasma, DLP, LCOS
> generation <g>). On the one hand, film is an analog medium and, as
> such, will always be more continuous with infinite shades of tone and
> color than any digital format, no matter how resolved the 1s and 0s
> are. This argument of discrete versus continuous will always be with
> us and is not something new. I still find an occasional skirmish
> with those who argue the virtues of "Vinyl vs. CDs and company". And
> on the other hand, those who tout "Black Level" as being important to
> the theatrical experience sometimes forget that film black levels are
> not close to absolute darkness because of the nature of film
> itself. Just about any of the "modern" technologies is capable of
> achieving the black level that you find even at a well-tuned
> cinema. The on-going argument regarding black levels of various
> display technologies is mostly an exercise in theoretical rather than
> practical limits.
>
> On a personal level, I have made choices over the years that temper
> theory with practice. When CDs were introduced I bought them for the
> convenience and dynamic range they offered (not to mention leaving
> hiss and scratches in the dust.) When I was planning my HT almost a
> decade ago I opted to go for one of the newer technologies (a Sony
> VW10HT LCD FP at the time) because the 200 lb. brick on the ceiling
> that needed constant tweaking wasn't practical to me. I've since
> upgraded to a DLP Runco and I'm sure that it's just a matter of time
> before a 1080p (or better) model will replace this capable 720p
> unit. When my trusty old Sony XBR 27" CRT began to show it's age (18
> years and counting) not to mention not being HD compliant (to keep
> this response on task) I took it down from it's lofty perch in the
> bedroom and now a 37" Panasonic Plasma set has taken its
> place. Finally, my 16 year old CRT based RPM (Pioneer Elite 45"
> Pro75) is also now a little rough around the edges (also "HD
> challenged") and in a week or so will be replaced with an HP MD5880n
> 58" DLP 1080p set (with 1080p input capability) for my "normal" TV
> viewing. The Pioneer will serve out its remaining days at the house
> of some of my grandkids where I'm sure it will be appreciated for a
> long time. In other words, during the past six months (thank you,
> CEDIA! <g>) my house has made a major transition from CRT-based
> technology to the Dreaded Digital Domain ("DDD" -remember that term
> from the early days of CDs?).
>
> So no, I don't consider you to be a Luddite for your comments and
> fully understand where you are coming from, Anthony. You are
> entitled to choose whichever visual path you wish to take. For
> myself, while I understand your position (and I still maintain my
> vinyl collection) I've made some compromises with theory that
> realistically serve me extremely well. In fact, with my 63 year old
> eyes and ears, nature has probably become the great equalizer in this
> equation. Happy Holidays!
>
>
> -- RAF
>
>
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#20 Dec 14, 2005 at 12:07 am

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All I can say is the Sony 50" and 60" SXRD shows me the best picture
quality, next to the Qualia 006 (13k), that I have yet to see in a store.
If Sony had a 70" model out for under 6k and no picture issues, I'd be very
close to buying. Hopefully the issues I've read about will be resolved and
a 70" model will be released next summer or fall. Just a fantastic picture.
It beats my Pioneer Elite 520.

Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard and Carrie Bray" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: What's hot?

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> One of the "experts" may correct me; but as I understand the issue,
> 1080P/60 (which most are talking about when saying the current sets won't
> accept 1080P) is not in the broadcasting "standard". However, 1080P/24
> and 1080P/30 are in the standards. Believe Blu-Ray will "store" data at
> 1080P/24; but initial models will output at 1080i. Most expect later
> versions of Blu-Ray will also output at 1080P/24. Blu-Ray standard does
> not currently include 1080P/60, which makes sense since it is primarily a
> PC format anyway. HD-DVD current specs are only for 1080i. Haven't read
> where anyone expects broadcasting to go to 1080P/60 (advantage over
> 1080P/24 limited to very fast moving video and it requires twice the
> bandwidth) but some think it could go to 1080P/24/30 which really doesn't
> include any more information than 1080i (it is just deinterlaced).
> Primary use for 1080P/60 will be for games (maybe a few) and "computer
> monitor" functions.
>
> Current "1080P" sets are pretty much dependent upon the quality of the
> deinterlacing for 1080i. Most deinterlace to 540P and then scale to 1080i
> (obviously losing resolution). Some (including Brillian and Sony SXRD's)
> deinterlace 1080i to 1080P and therefore do not lose resolution. The
> technical threads on AVS say both the Brillian and Sony also do motion
> adaptive deinterlacing, and that the Sonys (Qualias, Ruby, and SXRD's)
> also do reverse-telecine.
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I like you Dr. Fowkes. You are a very honest man and I completely
>> understand why you are going to DDD. I would never fault anyone for doing
>> so. This is a path I choose not to go down until I have absolutely no
>> choice and also until things shake out regarding true 1080P. As much as
>> I
>> would like to see 1080P in one of the new hd disc formats, I hope for the
>> sake of consumers that this is not the case as so many have purchased HD
>> sets this year. It would be bad for the industry in the long run for
>> those
>> who just purchased an HD set for 3k plus to find out that they can't get
>> the
>> most out of it (meaning 1080P) because it is incompatible with the new
>> technology meaning Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Word of mouth on that would do a
>> lot
>> of harm to the industry as a whole I believe. I wish I had a crystal
>> ball
>> so I could see what the manufacturers are going to do. I ran into a
>> sales
>> person on Sat at a high end store that is privately owned and was told
>> that
>> the broadcast industry would never go to 1080P because the standard was
>> set
>> in stone. As far as I know that is unmitigated bs, but someone please
>> correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> Anthony R.
>> Orlando, FL
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Dr Robert A Fowkes
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:01 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> At 10:34 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>I'm going to go a bit farther and probably piss off some people in the
>>>process as usual.
>>
>> Actually, Anthony, I completely agree with your sentiments regarding
>> the overall superiority of CRT based technology at present if you
>> want the absolutely best possible picture considering all the factors
>> (black levels, continuous versus discrete picture elements,
>> etc.) When someone asks me what's the "best" monitor to buy to get
>> the "best" picture (meaning the most accurate one) I always tell them
>> that if they have the space a good old HD capable CRT tube set offers
>> the best picture and, amazingly, the best price. The
>> price:performance can't be touched by anything else out there.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the 300 pound monster in the corner no longer appeals
>> to a large segment of our "Home Theater" driven society. With the
>> emphasis on a BIG screen to duplicate the theatrical experience, a
>> CRT tube has limitations as far as size is concerned. People want
>> 42"+ at a minimum, and CRT tubes of that size are not only
>> prohibitively expensive but extremely impractical for a number of
>> reasons that we all know about (weight, manufacturing, transporting,
>> servicing, $$$, etc.) I remember the 40" CRTs of a few years ago
>> being the absolute limit of the technology for mere mortals.
>>
>> Ironically, trying to replicate a Theater at home actually supports
>> proponents of both camps, "CRTers" and "digitizers" (to use an old
>> word in a new context to describe those of the LCD, Plasma, DLP, LCOS
>> generation <g>). On the one hand, film is an analog medium and, as
>> such, will always be more continuous with infinite shades of tone and
>> color than any digital format, no matter how resolved the 1s and 0s
>> are. This argument of discrete versus continuous will always be with
>> us and is not something new. I still find an occasional skirmish
>> with those who argue the virtues of "Vinyl vs. CDs and company". And
>> on the other hand, those who tout "Black Level" as being important to
>> the theatrical experience sometimes forget that film black levels are
>> not close to absolute darkness because of the nature of film
>> itself. Just about any of the "modern" technologies is capable of
>> achieving the black level that you find even at a well-tuned
>> cinema. The on-going argument regarding black levels of various
>> display technologies is mostly an exercise in theoretical rather than
>> practical limits.
>>
>> On a personal level, I have made choices over the years that temper
>> theory with practice. When CDs were introduced I bought them for the
>> convenience and dynamic range they offered (not to mention leaving
>> hiss and scratches in the dust.) When I was planning my HT almost a
>> decade ago I opted to go for one of the newer technologies (a Sony
>> VW10HT LCD FP at the time) because the 200 lb. brick on the ceiling
>> that needed constant tweaking wasn't practical to me. I've since
>> upgraded to a DLP Runco and I'm sure that it's just a matter of time
>> before a 1080p (or better) model will replace this capable 720p
>> unit. When my trusty old Sony XBR 27" CRT began to show it's age (18
>> years and counting) not to mention not being HD compliant (to keep
>> this response on task) I took it down from it's lofty perch in the
>> bedroom and now a 37" Panasonic Plasma set has taken its
>> place. Finally, my 16 year old CRT based RPM (Pioneer Elite 45"
>> Pro75) is also now a little rough around the edges (also "HD
>> challenged") and in a week or so will be replaced with an HP MD5880n
>> 58" DLP 1080p set (with 1080p input capability) for my "normal" TV
>> viewing. The Pioneer will serve out its remaining days at the house
>> of some of my grandkids where I'm sure it will be appreciated for a
>> long time. In other words, during the past six months (thank you,
>> CEDIA! <g>) my house has made a major transition from CRT-based
>> technology to the Dreaded Digital Domain ("DDD" -remember that term
>> from the early days of CDs?).
>>
>> So no, I don't consider you to be a Luddite for your comments and
>> fully understand where you are coming from, Anthony. You are
>> entitled to choose whichever visual path you wish to take. For
>> myself, while I understand your position (and I still maintain my
>> vinyl collection) I've made some compromises with theory that
>> realistically serve me extremely well. In fact, with my 63 year old
>> eyes and ears, nature has probably become the great equalizer in this
>> equation. Happy Holidays!
>>
>>
>> -- RAF
>>
>>
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#21 Dec 14, 2005 at 2:07 am

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Hugh,

Damn Hugh, you're giving up on the Elite just like that?

I never though I'd hear (read) you say those words so soon!

The SXRD really beats it in Color saturation and detail???

Man, that's quite a testimonial from an Elite guy!

Thanks,
Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
Hugh Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:07 PM
To: HDTV Magazine
Subject: Re: What's hot?

----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----

All I can say is the Sony 50" and 60" SXRD shows me the best picture
quality, next to the Qualia 006 (13k), that I have yet to see in a store.
If Sony had a 70" model out for under 6k and no picture issues, I'd be very
close to buying. Hopefully the issues I've read about will be resolved and
a 70" model will be released next summer or fall. Just a fantastic picture.

It beats my Pioneer Elite 520.

Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard and Carrie Bray" <[email protected]>
To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: What's hot?

> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>
> One of the "experts" may correct me; but as I understand the issue,
> 1080P/60 (which most are talking about when saying the current sets won't
> accept 1080P) is not in the broadcasting "standard". However, 1080P/24
> and 1080P/30 are in the standards. Believe Blu-Ray will "store" data at
> 1080P/24; but initial models will output at 1080i. Most expect later
> versions of Blu-Ray will also output at 1080P/24. Blu-Ray standard does
> not currently include 1080P/60, which makes sense since it is primarily a
> PC format anyway. HD-DVD current specs are only for 1080i. Haven't read
> where anyone expects broadcasting to go to 1080P/60 (advantage over
> 1080P/24 limited to very fast moving video and it requires twice the
> bandwidth) but some think it could go to 1080P/24/30 which really doesn't
> include any more information than 1080i (it is just deinterlaced).
> Primary use for 1080P/60 will be for games (maybe a few) and "computer
> monitor" functions.
>
> Current "1080P" sets are pretty much dependent upon the quality of the
> deinterlacing for 1080i. Most deinterlace to 540P and then scale to 1080i

> (obviously losing resolution). Some (including Brillian and Sony SXRD's)
> deinterlace 1080i to 1080P and therefore do not lose resolution. The
> technical threads on AVS say both the Brillian and Sony also do motion
> adaptive deinterlacing, and that the Sonys (Qualias, Ruby, and SXRD's)
> also do reverse-telecine.
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Rizzuto" <[email protected]>
> To: "HDTV Magazine" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>
>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> I like you Dr. Fowkes. You are a very honest man and I completely
>> understand why you are going to DDD. I would never fault anyone for doing
>> so. This is a path I choose not to go down until I have absolutely no
>> choice and also until things shake out regarding true 1080P. As much as
>> I
>> would like to see 1080P in one of the new hd disc formats, I hope for the
>> sake of consumers that this is not the case as so many have purchased HD
>> sets this year. It would be bad for the industry in the long run for
>> those
>> who just purchased an HD set for 3k plus to find out that they can't get
>> the
>> most out of it (meaning 1080P) because it is incompatible with the new
>> technology meaning Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Word of mouth on that would do a
>> lot
>> of harm to the industry as a whole I believe. I wish I had a crystal
>> ball
>> so I could see what the manufacturers are going to do. I ran into a
>> sales
>> person on Sat at a high end store that is privately owned and was told
>> that
>> the broadcast industry would never go to 1080P because the standard was
>> set
>> in stone. As far as I know that is unmitigated bs, but someone please
>> correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> Anthony R.
>> Orlando, FL
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
>> Dr Robert A Fowkes
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:01 AM
>> To: HDTV Magazine
>> Subject: Re: What's hot?
>>
>>
>> ----- HDTV Magazine Tips List -----
>>
>> At 10:34 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>I'm going to go a bit farther and probably piss off some people in the
>>>process as usual.
>>
>> Actually, Anthony, I completely agree with your sentiments regarding
>> the overall superiority of CRT based technology at present if you
>> want the absolutely best possible picture considering all the factors
>> (black levels, continuous versus discrete picture elements,
>> etc.) When someone asks me what's the "best" monitor to buy to get
>> the "best" picture (meaning the most accurate one) I always tell them
>> that if they have the space a good old HD capable CRT tube set offers
>> the best picture and, amazingly, the best price. The
>> price:performance can't be touched by anything else out there.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the 300 pound monster in the corner no longer appeals
>> to a large segment of our "Home Theater" driven society. With the
>> emphasis on a BIG screen to duplicate the theatrical experience, a
>> CRT tube has limitations as far as size is concerned. People want
>> 42"+ at a minimum, and CRT tubes of that size are not only
>> prohibitively expensive but extremely impractical for a number of
>> reasons that we all know about (weight, manufacturing, transporting,
>> servicing, $$$, etc.) I remember the 40" CRTs of a few years ago
>> being the absolute limit of the technology for mere mortals.
>>
>> Ironically, trying to replicate a Theater at home actually supports
>> proponents of both camps, "CRTers" and "digitizers" (to use an old
>> word in a new context to describe those of the LCD, Plasma, DLP, LCOS
>> generation <g>). On the one hand, film is an analog medium and, as
>> such, will always be more continuous with infinite shades of tone and
>> color than any digital format, no matter how resolved the 1s and 0s
>> are. This argument of discrete versus continuous will always be with
>> us and is not something new. I still find an occasional skirmish
>> with those who argue the virtues of "Vinyl vs. CDs and company". And
>> on the other hand, those who tout "Black Level" as being important to
>> the theatrical experience sometimes forget that film black levels are
>> not close to absolute darkness because of the nature of film
>> itself. Just about any of the "modern" technologies is capable of
>> achieving the black level that you find even at a well-tuned
>> cinema. The on-going argument regarding black levels of various
>> display technologies is mostly an exercise in theoretical rather than
>> practical limits.
>>
>> On a personal level, I have made choices over the years that temper
>> theory with practice. When CDs were introduced I bought them for the
>> convenience and dynamic range they offered (not to mention leaving
>> hiss and scratches in the dust.) When I was planning my HT almost a
>> decade ago I opted to go for one of the newer technologies (a Sony
>> VW10HT LCD FP at the time) because the 200 lb. brick on the ceiling
>> that needed constant tweaking wasn't practical to me. I've since
>> upgraded to a DLP Runco and I'm sure that it's just a matter of time
>> before a 1080p (or better) model will replace this capable 720p
>> unit. When my trusty old Sony XBR 27" CRT began to show it's age (18
>> years and counting) not to mention not being HD compliant (to keep
>> this response on task) I took it down from it's lofty perch in the
>> bedroom and now a 37" Panasonic Plasma set has taken its
>> place. Finally, my 16 year old CRT based RPM (Pioneer Elite 45"
>> Pro75) is also now a little rough around the edges (also "HD
>> challenged") and in a week or so will be replaced with an HP MD5880n
>> 58" DLP 1080p set (with 1080p input capability) for my "normal" TV
>> viewing. The Pioneer will serve out its remaining days at the house
>> of some of my grandkids where I'm sure it will be appreciated for a
>> long time. In other words, during the past six months (thank you,
>> CEDIA! <g>) my house has made a major transition from CRT-based
>> technology to the Dreaded Digital Domain ("DDD" -remember that term
>> from the early days of CDs?).
>>
>> So no, I don't consider you to be a Luddite for your comments and
>> fully understand where you are coming from, Anthony. You are
>> entitled to choose whichever visual path you wish to take. For
>> myself, while I understand your position (and I still maintain my
>> vinyl collection) I've made some compromises with theory that
>> realistically serve me extremely well. In fact, with my 63 year old
>> eyes and ears, nature has probably become the great equalizer in this
>> equation. Happy Holidays!
>>
>>
>> -- RAF
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