hi, just joined the site to basically learn more about hdtv's. ive been into the whole hd thing for a while now and learned alot, but ive always been in search of the best picture possible. i sold my pioneer plasma recently, it was a few yrs old, and bought an ln46a950. this is after i returned the new thin 46 inch led, because of backlighting issues that i couldnt deal with. i read some reviews and bought the one i stated above. the thing that i fell in love with with the led was that everything seemed so close and 3-d like, especially outdoor moving imagery. i was told it was the automotionplus, which the one i have now has also but it doesnt seem as much as the led. does anyone know if the automotionplus is what causes that 3d look, as if your watching something that was filmed thru a video camera, the way things move seems more lifelike. i feel that even though people said that the one i have now is the better tv, this look that im looking for was noticed more on the led. thanks for your help.
gee
question regarding automotionplus 120 hz on samsung....
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gbapps
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Hello gbapps & welcome . . .
Perhaps you have already learned & DO practice this part of viewing great 'HD' effects / immersion phenomena ? I.E. - - what the human eyes may also perceive with the peripheral vision . . .
In order to really "get into" the FAR greater display details provided by HDTVs, it will be necessary to make sure one views it from about 3.2 / 3.3 times that display height!
For your current 46" set, that only equates to approx 74"-76" = eyes-to-display !
Longer is possible, of course . . . one will loose this { immersion } quickly at increased distances, however!
The various .. 120 / 240 .. versions of "automotion" available are to aid in the reduction of LCD rapid motion blurring, seen especially during fast panning by the HD Camera of scenes from left-to-right, etc., as opposed to .. 3D .. per se.
Rapid Motion Blurring is NOT experienced w/ plasma sets, naturally, so - these never have .. "automotion" ..
eli
Perhaps you have already learned & DO practice this part of viewing great 'HD' effects / immersion phenomena ? I.E. - - what the human eyes may also perceive with the peripheral vision . . .
In order to really "get into" the FAR greater display details provided by HDTVs, it will be necessary to make sure one views it from about 3.2 / 3.3 times that display height!
For your current 46" set, that only equates to approx 74"-76" = eyes-to-display !
Longer is possible, of course . . . one will loose this { immersion } quickly at increased distances, however!
The various .. 120 / 240 .. versions of "automotion" available are to aid in the reduction of LCD rapid motion blurring, seen especially during fast panning by the HD Camera of scenes from left-to-right, etc., as opposed to .. 3D .. per se.
Rapid Motion Blurring is NOT experienced w/ plasma sets, naturally, so - these never have .. "automotion" ..
eli
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thank you eli. when you say height, do you mean distance from the tv? also, im just comparing the led that i brought back to the led lcd that i have now, and i feel like i noticed that more life-like movement of whatever was on screen more on the previous tv and i was wondering if its just me or it was a better tv. from what i read before i switched to the current tv, everyone was saying that the samsung ln46a950 is the tech tv for tech geeks so i figured i was doing the right thing in bringing the led back to the store because i was noticing back light issues. thanx again.
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I had it calibrated by best buy but i honestly dont see a big difference. oddly, he had turned the automotionplus off and i wasnt seeing that 3d look as much but i didnt know why until i went into the settings one day and saw it was off. this is why i assumed it was this that was giving the pic this 3d look. so what else can it be? i see it especially when there are outside scenes with moving cars and people walking. it all looks more lifelike as if its happening right in front of you. does anyone have the same tv? thanx again.
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Hi gbapps . . .
".. height .." was referring to the vertical display height of any HDTV .... your 46'' happens to be approx 19.6"
So, in your case, to have & enjoy these "HD Immersion" effects {which I think may well be what you are calling 3D?} - - - one needs to always sit not greater than 3.2 / 3.3 times that 19.6" or = 74" - 76" / eyes-to-actual display surface.
For a 52", that vertical measurement is ~ 25 1/2" . . . times 3.2 / 3.3 = about 84" - 86" and, so on ...
Whenever one DOES follow this practice of sitting FAR closer to the display than most, you WILL see more detailing as well as perhaps that water spilling from Niagara Falls or those Winter Season monster 50 ' surfing waves @ Waimea Bay of Ohau's North Shore coming right at you!
Nothing to do w/ ..120 / 240 Hz "automotion" at all.
eli
P.S. - - -if you might not mind a question, you decided NOT to try plasma because??? . . . . . Doesn't have any of these "issues!"
".. height .." was referring to the vertical display height of any HDTV .... your 46'' happens to be approx 19.6"
So, in your case, to have & enjoy these "HD Immersion" effects {which I think may well be what you are calling 3D?} - - - one needs to always sit not greater than 3.2 / 3.3 times that 19.6" or = 74" - 76" / eyes-to-actual display surface.
For a 52", that vertical measurement is ~ 25 1/2" . . . times 3.2 / 3.3 = about 84" - 86" and, so on ...
Whenever one DOES follow this practice of sitting FAR closer to the display than most, you WILL see more detailing as well as perhaps that water spilling from Niagara Falls or those Winter Season monster 50 ' surfing waves @ Waimea Bay of Ohau's North Shore coming right at you!
Nothing to do w/ ..120 / 240 Hz "automotion" at all.
eli
P.S. - - -if you might not mind a question, you decided NOT to try plasma because??? . . . . . Doesn't have any of these "issues!"
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What program material are you watching on your display? If you were watching BluRay or OTA HD source images in the store and you are watching DVDs and SD at home (most cable boxes are only SD) then you won't get that "3D" image quality that you are wanting.
I personally find that Film Motion or what ever jargon the manufacturers throw out there only works well in specific instances. On my Sony, for example, the owners manual tells you to disable the Motion Flow and try different settings for frame rate if you are experiencing unnatural looking images. This is because all processing introduces artifacts. Sometimes the artifacts are less objectionable than the problems they were intended to correct. However in other situations the opposite is true. I find that when watching HD at the native resolution of my display that using MotionFlow is very deleterious to image quality.
Just for comparison purposes, I am watching Blu Ray at 1080p on a display that is native 1080p and is running at 24 frames/sec. I.E. the monitor is showing 120 frames/sec and repeating the individual frames.
How high is your brightness and contrast set? To me these things make images look very cartoonish if they are set too aggressively. How much processing do you have enabled on your display. Remember, just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. All processing causes noise/artifacts, this is definitely a case where less can be more. Err, and no TV has an actual Contrast ration of 2 million (or whatever) to one. I don't remember off the top of my head but humans can only see contrast ratios into the thousands. So in my opinion everything else is just sales talk and magic numbers. (Anyone want to contradict/correct this assertion?)
Good Luck,
Brian.
I personally find that Film Motion or what ever jargon the manufacturers throw out there only works well in specific instances. On my Sony, for example, the owners manual tells you to disable the Motion Flow and try different settings for frame rate if you are experiencing unnatural looking images. This is because all processing introduces artifacts. Sometimes the artifacts are less objectionable than the problems they were intended to correct. However in other situations the opposite is true. I find that when watching HD at the native resolution of my display that using MotionFlow is very deleterious to image quality.
Just for comparison purposes, I am watching Blu Ray at 1080p on a display that is native 1080p and is running at 24 frames/sec. I.E. the monitor is showing 120 frames/sec and repeating the individual frames.
How high is your brightness and contrast set? To me these things make images look very cartoonish if they are set too aggressively. How much processing do you have enabled on your display. Remember, just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. All processing causes noise/artifacts, this is definitely a case where less can be more. Err, and no TV has an actual Contrast ration of 2 million (or whatever) to one. I don't remember off the top of my head but humans can only see contrast ratios into the thousands. So in my opinion everything else is just sales talk and magic numbers. (Anyone want to contradict/correct this assertion?)
Good Luck,
Brian.
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Hi dadden . . .
No "debate" at all intended, except that one about .. most local cable boxes are SD ..!
In assisting here w/ quite a few folks 'switching' from CRTs to their all-new HD services, have not yet experienced a single one to date!
All of the 'HD' Boxes via Scientific Atlanta are most definitely sending out 480i & p / 720p / 1080i, @ owner's Option!
AND - add "Sharpness" to those settings @ ZERO! Eliminates much of the outlines around the lips w/ gloss makeup, etc.. Of course, turn off "Noise Reduction" and such, as well ..
everett
No "debate" at all intended, except that one about .. most local cable boxes are SD ..!
In assisting here w/ quite a few folks 'switching' from CRTs to their all-new HD services, have not yet experienced a single one to date!
All of the 'HD' Boxes via Scientific Atlanta are most definitely sending out 480i & p / 720p / 1080i, @ owner's Option!
AND - add "Sharpness" to those settings @ ZERO! Eliminates much of the outlines around the lips w/ gloss makeup, etc.. Of course, turn off "Noise Reduction" and such, as well ..
everett
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OK, thanks for that, I don't know as much about this as I never got a cable box or satellite receiver in the USA. I do know that the main reason I never went either of those routes is because I didn't want to be paying more for HD when I still wouldn't be given the bandwidth to make HD work properly.
Of course the last time I lived in the US full time was over a year ago so I haven't been paying attention to current "state of the art" systems.
Nice to know that things have progressed.
I made the original comment about SD as I didn't know what the original poster was using with regard to source material.
Speaking of your comment about boxes putting out 480, 720 or 1080, I wonder how many people set the output to 1080 even when the native resolution of their display is 720? I mean a lot of displays show that they are capable of taking a 1080 input but are still native resolution 720 devices. At least I seem to remember that alot of displays that said they were 1080i or p would just down convert. Which is worse than just using the native resolution to begin with.
Brian.
Of course the last time I lived in the US full time was over a year ago so I haven't been paying attention to current "state of the art" systems.
Nice to know that things have progressed.
I made the original comment about SD as I didn't know what the original poster was using with regard to source material.
Speaking of your comment about boxes putting out 480, 720 or 1080, I wonder how many people set the output to 1080 even when the native resolution of their display is 720? I mean a lot of displays show that they are capable of taking a 1080 input but are still native resolution 720 devices. At least I seem to remember that alot of displays that said they were 1080i or p would just down convert. Which is worse than just using the native resolution to begin with.
Brian.
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dadden ...
Brian - - -
To be sure, LOTS of available "HD" channels are stretched SD! That is often debated herein - - particularly during heated exchanges as to which has the least such phenomena . . . . local cable HD or Satellite HD.
You ARE 100% on the mark concerning a Vast (overwhelming!) majority of new HDTV set owners NOT having a clue as to how to involve themselves / study / learn / etc..
Nearly no one really believes that free O.T.A.-HD provides for some of the best or least compressed HD transmission of all ! An "Ugly Outside Antenna" is taboo ! And, "..what would my best friends think?"
Most simply believe that .." at these prices, all are 100% automatic as well as "Plug 'n Play!"
Enjoyed "chatting" w/ you!
eli
Brian - - -
To be sure, LOTS of available "HD" channels are stretched SD! That is often debated herein - - particularly during heated exchanges as to which has the least such phenomena . . . . local cable HD or Satellite HD.
You ARE 100% on the mark concerning a Vast (overwhelming!) majority of new HDTV set owners NOT having a clue as to how to involve themselves / study / learn / etc..
Nearly no one really believes that free O.T.A.-HD provides for some of the best or least compressed HD transmission of all ! An "Ugly Outside Antenna" is taboo ! And, "..what would my best friends think?"
Most simply believe that .." at these prices, all are 100% automatic as well as "Plug 'n Play!"
Enjoyed "chatting" w/ you!
eli